The Official Courtney Brown Thread Part IV

[rskinsfan10]

Part III has been moved to the Archives, so continue the discussion this thread.

If you want to reference Part III, you can find it right here. (http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=23598)

[colkurtz]

I guess we'll know in the next day or two. I'm happy either way - with him or a lower DE draft pick.

[skinsfan36]

the broncos are going to miss the playoffs and maybe not even end up 8-8 even the former mark slereth said it on espn the huddle saturday nite.

[Vonslydog]

the broncos are going to miss the playoffs and maybe not even end up 8-8 even the former mark slereth said it on espn the huddle saturday nite.
Well, if an ESPN analyist said it, it must be true!

[Emmanouel8]

Finally a Courtney Brown thread I can participate in. If we get him for $2 million I think he's worth the risk considering our system will rotate the DE and lower his chance of injury. Let's face it we have too many holes to fill w/ a #9 pick and we have to fill where we can when we can. I really hope we hit this one.

F Champ Bailey for undermining our efforts. Douchbag.

[lakeskin]

He's visiting the Jaguars now. I guess he's not too enamored with either the skins' or the Broncos' offers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52685-2005Mar21.html

[Emmanouel8]

Well I guess he won't be coming here. He's not worth the risk if his contract offer is anything more than $2 million. Let the Jags gamble their money.

[LATrueRedskin]

Well I guess he won't be coming here. He's not worth the risk if his contract offer is anything more than $2 million. Let the Jags gamble their money.

Exactly. I'll take him cheap, but let's not get into a bidding war for him by any means.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

like i said before, if teams arent throwing crazy money at him, he should do whats best for his career....now that the jags have come into the picture, the money he is offered from them may be too much to pass up. oh well.....

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Exactly. I'll take him cheap, but let's not get into a bidding war for him by any means.
We won't IMO. If CB doesn't end in Washington, I can see us trading down and drafting a DE. There's a lot of talent in that position this year for picks between #10 and #30

[Bushwacker]

Think if he wanted to come to Washington, he would have by now. Would be very nice if Brown signed for the right price, but we will still have a great defence without him.

[bgforever]

We won't IMO. If CB doesn't end in Washington, I can see us trading down and drafting a DE. There's a lot of talent in that position this year for picks between #10 and #30


yes it is inevitable that a third player usually means "more" money was offered or at least the near same amount (might be sweetened with 250,000 for the yr and incentives far more higher, but attainable for him, should his A game return. Unless he gets a wild hair up his butt, and tells them no, I am already counting him as gone on to greener pastures (dollars that is). Florida's no tax and low on other things, makes his dollar availabiltiies really high and twice as hard to pass up. The Jags are back on the rise and he has a chance to steal a starting spot in JAX. He's gone.

We trade down grab one of the beasts that we fit in our cramped schedules to man the DE office (just a metaphor :) ), we grab a decent best player available for our other needs after that, and on, and on. You know what we can grab a decent WR and CB right after the DE!

We Also save millions over time!

[redwolf1218]

looks like this Jags will be able to offer both money and familiarity...

Jacksonville, which needs a defensive end, has a large amount of cap space -- roughly $13 million. In addition, Jaguars secondary coach Dave Campo was the defensive coordinator in Cleveland the previous two seasons. Jacksonville's defensive line coach, Ray Hamilton, also held the same post in Cleveland in 2001 and 2002.

[GolfFreak]

The Jags definitely have the room, but what time in their right mind is going to break the bank for him vs. load his deal w/ incentives - it would be stupid IMO. I don't think it looks good for the Skins right now, but you never know ...

[skins111111]

whoever gets him, it will be a definate gamble.....could be large ....could be a bust...............I wouldn't be opposed to packaging Gardner and our 3rd for a 2nd and snaging a decent DE that could make an impact this year...........
WRs should be fine and could be huge just the way they are but we need a CB with our 9th...........a big blocking TE with our 3rd pick

[GolfFreak]

As hard as they went after CB, I wonder if this means we would go DE in the draft if we lose out on him - either James or Pollack (or Tuck - he's a DE right?). I think we could trade down and pick up a 2nd or 3rd and still get one of these guys - maybe even into the 20's.

[PA Skins Girl]

Whatever. I wont be crying if he doesnt come here. Just means we have a better chance of drafting a young stud DE.

[warpaint]

As hard as they went after CB, I wonder if this means we would go DE in the draft if we lose out on him - either James or Pollack (or Tuck - he's a DE right?). I think we could trade down and pick up a 2nd or 3rd and still get one of these guys - maybe even into the 20's.
can you say merriman ? he has been their pick all along,until c.b , became available, reason went so hard after c.b.,if could sign him, would go to another position instead of end , also merriman did play linebacker at maryland.

[PA Skins Girl]

can you say merriman ? he has been their pick all along,until c.b , became available, reason went so hard after c.b.,if could sign him, would go to another position instead of end , also merriman did play linebacker at maryland.
That's my vote.

[redwolf1218]

Gibbs always seems to keep an eye on Maryland players.

[GolfFreak]

can you say merriman ? he has been their pick all along,until c.b , became available, reason went so hard after c.b.,if could sign him, would go to another position instead of end , also merriman did play linebacker at maryland.

Does he really have the size to play DE? I notice he's listed as OLB/DE - which raises some questions for me.

[PA Skins Girl]

Does he really have the size to play DE? I notice he's listed as OLB/DE - which raises some questions for me.
He came to the combine at 271 and was 274 at his personal workout. Even with the added weight, he ran a 4.6-40.

[WorldBFree76]

Yeah, it seems like Jacksonville will now sign him to a lot more than he's really worth. I wouldn't mind trading down a few spots to nab one of the top DEs, or stay at #9 and take Merriman.

[Redskin4Life]

looks like this Jags will be able to offer both money and familiarity...

Jacksonville, which needs a defensive end, has a large amount of cap space -- roughly $13 million. In addition, Jaguars secondary coach Dave Campo was the defensive coordinator in Cleveland the previous two seasons. Jacksonville's defensive line coach, Ray Hamilton, also held the same post in Cleveland in 2001 and 2002.
And he did a GREAT job with them?!?!? If he doesn't come here, he's going to ALWAYS be known as a #1 pick bust....

[Redskin4Life]

Does he really have the size to play DE? I notice he's listed as OLB/DE - which raises some questions for me.
Freeney was listed as a OLB/DE before that draft.... would you have question about him now??? I'm not suggesting we pick up Merriman but he's an intriguing player nonetheless...

[warpaint]

my question is this , why is it being reported c.b. is visting today ,when all the owners top people are away on vacation in hawaii,under the pretense of a meeting . whish my meetings were there , i get to go to green bay for mine in jan. just a show to get the redskins to give him more .

[warpaint]

Yeah, it seems like Jacksonville will now sign him to a lot more than he's really worth. I wouldn't mind trading down a few spots to nab one of the top DEs, or stay at #9 and take Merriman.
what do you base that assumtion on ? since they have more cap space than we do doest mean they are going to give him more .

[WorldBFree76]

what do you base that assumtion on ? since they have more cap space than we do doest mean they are going to give him more .

Well, considering Brown said that he would pick today between two teams (Denver and Washington), but instead decided to visit another team, means that something had to change his mind between the time he said he would decide today and today. This means that either a) he got a much better offer and/or b)he wants to go to jacksonville more. And it helps that Jacksonville needs a DE, and they have a TON of cap room. I think I have more than enough evidence to think that Jacksonville would sign him.

[warpaint]

Well, considering Brown said that he would pick today between two teams (Denver and Washington), but instead decided to visit another team, means that something had to change his mind between the time he said he would decide today and today. This means that either a) he got a much better offer and/or b)he wants to go to jacksonville more. And it helps that Jacksonville needs a DE, and they have a TON of cap room. I think I have more than enough evidence to think that Jacksonville would sign him.
as i said in my other post owners and top brass all are at a league meeting in hawaii today . i dont care if he does sign with them ,just dont think it will be before the end of the week. hoping here that he does sign with them , so at least there is a chance of us getting a stud at the end position. of course if he does sign here , he will be a redskin and i will surport him.

[GolfFreak]

Check this out from John Clayton - OMG, Roland is still bitter!!!

What will Brown do?
Former Browns defensive end Courtney Brown is planning a visit to Jacksonville on Monday, but he is still leaning toward taking a deal with either Denver or Washington. Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey, a former Redskin, called Brown in the past couple days and tried to recruit him away from the Redskins and to the Broncos. Brown is considered the best defensive end on the open market despite his history of injuries in Cleveland.

By the way, the Broncos aren't completely switching to a 3-4. Their plan is to be a base 4-3 and occasionally move into the 3-4 in situations. The team doesn't have the personnel to make a full move into the 3-4. Signing Brown would be a key to the base 4-3 defense.

[chrisbcbu]

Bah i came on here this morning to see if he signed with Denver or the Skins. And now im reading there is a 3rd team in Jax. Oh well. Maybe we will trade down and pickup Erasmus james/Pollack.

[redskins.uk]

If CB wants to go the Jags or Broncos just to get more playing time and money let him go. Some of our players should speak to CB and point that although GW rotates his players there will be less chance to get injured therefore he has more chance of fufulling his potential. Harris acted as a backup last year to Smoot which allowed his injury to fully recover and it looks that he will have first shot at CB this year. I know what I would do in his situation! CB it is now up to you to decide?

[redwolf1218]

If CB wants to go the Jags or Broncos just to get more playing time and money let him go. Some of our players should speak to CB and point that although GW rotates his players there will be less chance to get injured therefore he has more chance of fufulling his potential. Harris acted as a backup last year to Smoot which allowed his injury to fully recover and it looks that he will have first shot at CB this year. I know what I would do in his situation! CB it is now up to you to decide?
they did talk to him about that. well they had Noble and Daniels talk to him about it. in the end he will probably just take the most money.

[The Skinsinator]

Freeney was listed as a OLB/DE before that draft.... would you have question about him now??? I'm not suggesting we pick up Merriman but he's an intriguing player nonetheless...

Very good point. I think both Merriman and Erasmus James will be monsters with just rushing the passer. I still feel a corner is far more of a need than def end, right now. We need to get someone young and talented in the draft for the future. Springs and Harris aren't exactly spring chickens.

[ConradCountry]

If he decides to go somewhere else then who cares we are not talking about Dwight Freeney.

I am not losing any hair over his decision.

[skinsfan36]

i dont think jacksonville is going to give him a great offer even witha ton of cap room they just signed hayward,and they already have paul spicer,jason gildon at the other de and stroud and henderson in the middle i dont see them paying him alot

[warpaint]

maybe someone can tell me this ? why would any body be making a visit when all the top brass is in hawaii attending a league meeting?

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

maybe someone can tell me this ? why would any body be making a visit when all the top brass is in hawaii attending a league meeting?
How bout for a physical and just so you Know agents and top brass have cell phones. Deals have been made under tougher pretenses then being in Hawaii.

[Redskinfan28]

CB is not happy with the incentive laden contracts offered by Denver and Washington. Can't really blame him if some team will guarantee him money.

http://www.times-union.com/tu-online/stories/032105/jag_18274054.shtml

[akhhorus]

Screw Brown, lets go after Carlos Hall. He's worth a 7th rounder.

[SonnyandSam]

CB is not happy with the incentive laden contracts offered by Denver and Washington. Can't really blame him if some team will guarantee him money.

http://www.times-union.com/tu-online/stories/032105/jag_18274054.shtml

I can't blame CB for checking out other possible offers. But I find it very interesting that he is only visiting teams he has connections to. I just do not understand why he is all that interested in checking out teams where his former coaches are. It's not like they brought out the best in CB. He had such incredible talent in college that EVERY scout labeled him a can't miss player in the NFL. I would think he would want to go with different coaches and medical staff to help him avoid the injuries and uninspired play he had while with the Browns. The Skins are really the perfect match for him to turn his career around. I hope he goes with the logical choice. Brown is a very smart and methodical person. Unless the Jags offer a lot of guaranteed money, CB has to pick the Skins.

[CNYSkinFan]

I can't blame CB for checking out other possible offers. But I find it very interesting that he is only visiting teams he has connections to. I just do not understand why he is all that interested in checking out teams where his former coaches are. It's not like they brought out the best in CB. He had such incredible talent in college that EVERY scout labeled him a can't miss player in the NFL. I would think he would want to go with different coaches and medical staff to help him avoid the injuries and uninspired play he had while with the Browns. The Skins are really the perfect match for him to turn his career around. I hope he goes with the logical choice. Brown is a very smart and methodical person. Unless the Jags offer a lot of guaranteed money, CB has to pick the Skins.

Something is going on with CB. Not sure what. But I am sure GReen has a lot to do with it. This should be kudos for the Washington Front oFfice. They are sticking with their frugality.

[ryflan47]

CB is not happy with the incentive laden contracts offered by Denver and Washington. Can't really blame him if some team will guarantee him money.

http://www.times-union.com/tu-online/stories/032105/jag_18274054.shtml

i guess theres no team thats stupid enough to NOT have an incentive laden contract... yet.. we'll see with jax

[redskins.uk]

they did talk to him about that. well they had Noble and Daniels talk to him about it. in the end he will probably just take the most money.


I know we had Noble and Daniels speak to him then I was just thinking now. If he goes to any team were he plays most the of time and not in rotation. It wont be long before he is on injured reserve again. Anyway thats there loss and if they pay CB more money than he worth so be it. We just move on.

[BIGSEF3]

i applaud brown for going to teams where his former coaches are. that shows hes not JUST out to play for the highest bidder, he wants to go where he already has "ties." he would be a fool to play for us when he had a team offering him more money and a chance to start. as fans, we think every player should be dying to play for the skins. but brown is a FOOTBALL PLAYER. football players want two things: money, and the chance to play football. if jacksonville can offer him both, then good for brown. its not "confusing" at all to understand why we, or denver, may not be his 1st choices.

[cnhnyy]

CB knows this is probably his only chance to redeem himself in NFL. In the end, I believe he will choose us because of lavar and GW.

[colkurtz]

I think this is all about the money and a starting position now for Courtney. If he goes to Jax or Denver, I won't cry. He is a definite gamble on several levels. I think he could re-invent himself in the NFL as a Redskin, but he just may be looking for the biggest paycheck.

The best part of this off-season is that we are not chasing and greatly over-paying for people like CB (like we've done over the past few years). The FO has a budget and is sticking to it.

I'll be just as happy with a new young and hungry rookie at DE.

[SonnyandSam]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawks/2002215112_hawk22.html

Ends around: Brown, Wiley visit

By Seattle Times staff

Defensive ends Courtney Brown and Marcellus Wiley will be at Seahawks headquarters in Kirkland today to meet coaches and personnel people.

The Seahawks contacted Brown last week after he was released by the Cleveland Browns. The No. 1 overall pick in 2000 has had problems with injuries throughout his career, but he has drawn interest from the Jacksonville Jaguars, Washington Redskins, Denver Broncos and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Browns also would like Brown back — at a much lower price.

Wiley visited the Seahawks during free agency last year but signed with the Dallas Cowboys after Seattle signed Grant Wistrom. The 30-year-old has 44 sacks in eight seasons with the Buffalo Bills, San Diego Chargers and Cowboys.

[inevitable]

4 teams down, 28 to go for brown.

[Skinz4lyfe]

C. Brown wants to be a starter and wants to get paid starter money. Its not gonna happen here but if he is smart he'll sign here because we'll ease him into the lineup, not risking serious injury. But let's face it, nobody is gonna gaurantee him a lot of money to come and play for them. He's gonna take the most gauranteed money and run. That's why I don't think he'll sign here.

[MWballer]

This guys a lier didnt he say he'd choose between us and denver by Monday. I wonder how this guys choice to go against his word is going over wit gibbs&co.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm not counting on him being here. Denver cleared up cap room to over $3M, so they'll be able to give him more. As for the "intangibles" of GW, LA and his cousin being here, when was the last time the "intangibles" played out more than the extremely tangible ($$$).

If he does come here, you can rule out drafting a DE @ 9.

[Redskinmayhem]

yup, It aint gonna happen. CB is not likely coming here.

[Slobberknocker]

I agree with you completely. The irony is that Brown would fit in GREAT within our system and sllow us to free up another pick from need. I keep watching the wires wondering whether he will choose team values over top dollar.

I hope I hope I hope he proves his values are MORE than the width of his wallet. My instinct says the fit works. But only time will tell...

There are other free agent DEs out there, by the way. Maybe Marcus Wiley doesn't sign with Seattle, or maybe Abraham from the Jets will take less than we might imagine. If all else fails, there's still the draft.

Either way, we're nailing down a game-day, top-flight DE. I'm waiting for it to happen...

[Redskinfan28]

Adam Sheffer (sp) from the NFL network says that CB will sign with the Broncos. See the discussion about it here:

http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=96301

[Canes & Skins]

This guys a lier didnt he say he'd choose between us and denver by Monday. I wonder how this guys choice to go against his word is going over wit gibbs&co.


Do you know that Brown told Gibbs he would decide by Monday, or are you going by the newspaper reports that said "a source close to Brown says he will decide by Monday."

Even if he did say he would decide by Monday, can you blame him if the other teams called and offered him more money after he met with the Skins and Broncos? I know if I was deciding between two companies and a 3rd and 4th offered me that I would at least check them out.

[bgforever]

Do you know that Brown told Gibbs he would decide by Monday, or are you going by the newspaper reports that said "a source close to Brown says he will decide by Monday."

Even if he did say he would decide by Monday, can you blame him if the other teams called and offered him more money after he met with the Skins and Broncos? I know if I was deciding between two companies and a 3rd and 4th offered me that I would at least check them out.

That's why I said he was gone the moment I heard JAX was in the mix, after that statement about only Denver and D. C. getting a look. I knew then, it was on for the money and wrote him off as doing HIS thing. I went my way after that, knowing he was going to take the most he could get while he can, but that we also had our own agenda, which I had more interest in.

[colkurtz]

The longer this saga goes on, the less chance we have to sign him. He wants more money.

I'm glad that, with all his injuries and the questions on good he really is (as an NFL player), the Redskins are not chasing him around with fists full of dollars. They're not trying to get him at any cost, like they would have a few years ago.

This new philosophy will bear fruit for the team over time. It just makes this FA off-season kind of boring.

[bosshog001]

The longer this saga goes on, the less chance we have to sign him. He wants more money.

I'm glad that, with all his injuries and the questions on good he really is, as an NFL players, the Redskins are not chasing him around with fists full of dollars. They're not trying to get him at any cost, like they would have a few years ago.

This new philosophy will bear fruit for the team over time. It just makes this FA off-season kind of boring.

Agree, ain't happenen

[redwolf1218]

That's why I said he was gone the moment I heard JAX was in the mix, after that statement about only Denver and D. C. getting a look. I knew then, it was on for the money and wrote him off as doing HIS thing. I went my way after that, knowing he was going to take the most he could get while he can, but that we also had our own agenda, which I had more interest in.
me too. he's flip-flopping his stance worse than a one-armed wall paper hanger with a shirt full of hornets. i hope we just let him take the money and run somewhere else and move in a different direction.

[ryflan47]

me too. he's flip-flopping his stance worse than a one-armed wall paper hanger with a shirt full of hornets. i hope we just let him take the money and run somewhere else and move in a different direction.
this is NOT a shot at kerry supporters, but CB reminds me of John Kerry with all these flip flops

[rskinsfan10]

this is NOT a shot at kerry supporters, but CB reminds me of John Kerry with all these flip flops

Then he should have reminded you of Bush's as well.

Having said that, keep it in the Potomac. No politics in the Cherokee.

[LATrueRedskin]

Way to go gang for keeping us up to date with Courtney! Your all doing a great job.

IMO, it looks like it could get into a bidding war between teams, and Courtney is the head man trying to boost up his price tag (like he hasn't milked the Browns for all their worth). Let's not get involved if the price goes too high.

[inevitable]

I doubt CB comes here though, I kind wish he would though.

Edited by rskinsfan10: I wasn't joking about keeping the politics out of the Cherokee.

[Slobberknocker]

Here's news from the Washington Post:

The Washington Redskins expect to learn today or tomorrow whether they will land free agent defensive end Courtney Brown.
Brown, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2000 draft, completed his expected team visits yesterday with a trip to Seattle. On Monday he was in Jacksonville, and last week he journeyed to Denver and Washington.
Initial expectations were for Brown to decide between the Redskins and Broncos early this week, but he extended his search with closer investigations of the Jaguars and Seahawks. Yesterday a Redskins source said a decision should come by tomorrow.

Well, at least we'll know one way or the other (Blondie, anyone?). Will Brown choose career redemption and a leading defense or short-term moolah and who knows? Hang on to your garters, boys...

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I've made up my mind that he'll sign with the Broncos. If not, and he signs with us, that would be a pleasant surprise.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

Bailey is Seriously wishing he was a redskin again. why would anyone interested in being on a good D go to Denver. Courtney if your out there listening come to D C or you will be the next Darryl Gardner. on a side note i once dated a girl named Courtney so change your name to a guys name like at least Clarence or something. anyway I say we give this guy 3 days and if he still hasnt decided then screw it pick up a DE in the draft.

[whitskins]

I've made up my mind that he'll sign with the Broncos. If not, and he signs with us, that would be a pleasant surprise.

I agree, my hopes aren't up and I'm fine with that, the fact that he is still unsigned means we are offering him a very cautious and fair contract, exactly what we should do. If he wants something else, go for it, no need in overpaying the guy.

[ryflan47]

Bailey is Seriously wishing he was a redskin again. why would anyone interested in being on a good D go to Denver. Courtney if your out there listening come to D C or you will be the next Darryl Gardner. on a side note i once dated a girl named Courtney so change your name to a guys name like at least Clarence or something. anyway I say we give this guy 3 days and if he still hasnt decided then screw it pick up a DE in the draft.

is that what you think or did he actually say that?

[chrisbcbu]

The broncos have signed TE Stephen Alexander so that will cut into their cap situation

Broncos | Alexander Addition Could Make Putzier Expendable - from www.KFFL.com
Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:38:58 -0800

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports the addition of TE Stephen Alexander by the Denver Broncos could eventually lead to the team trading TE Jeb Putzier.

But if they trade Putzier they could game a little more cap room.

[Redskin4Life]

The broncos have signed TE Stephen Alexander so that will cut into their cap situation



But if they trade Putzier they could game a little more cap room.
I would have to say this signing could have taken Denver out of the running on Brown (if they knew they were getting him, they would have waited to sign Alexander, who's had NO action in FA til now). Looks like it's either us, Jax or Seattle...

[BIGSEF3]

i think the chances of us getting courtney brown are about the same as rod gardner catching a 3 yard pass thrown by gibbs granddaughter..... and by that, i mean, slim to none.

[chrisbcbu]

Hmm just found this on C. Brown on the denver post

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~86~2777208,00.html#

There's a lot of competition for him," Washington coach Joe Gibbs said Tuesday of Brown. "We're not confident we're going to get him, but we want him."

He doesnt sound very confident in us getting him. So the chances are slim.

[warpaint]

The broncos have signed TE Stephen Alexander so that will cut into their cap situation



But if they trade Putzier they could game a little more cap room.
wonder how much of their cap space this takes up Alexander, 29, will sign a three-year, $4.2 million contract that includes bonuses of $1 million.

[2Cooley]

Bailey is Seriously wishing he was a redskin again. why would anyone interested in being on a good D go to Denver. Courtney if your out there listening come to D C or you will be the next Darryl Gardner. on a side note i once dated a girl named Courtney so change your name to a guys name like at least Clarence or something. anyway I say we give this guy 3 days and if he still hasnt decided then screw it pick up a DE in the draft.


I think he wanted to be on a good team not a good D

[ryflan47]

i wonder what shanahan's reaction to this situation is

[HurricaneSkins]

I've made up my mind that he'll sign with the Broncos. If not, and he signs with us, that would be a pleasant surprise.
I completely agree with that. I just wish he and Gardner would do something and let's get on with the draft. If we do lose out on CB i hope we take a chance in the 3rd on Chris Canty. I know he is not a pass rushing defensive end...but he was a run stopping beast and a very tall body..Just a thought

[tuckahoeskin]

I completely agree with that. I just wish he and Gardner would do something and let's get on with the draft. If we do lose out on CB i hope we take a chance in the 3rd on Chris Canty. I know he is not a pass rushing defensive end...but he was a run stopping beast and a very tall body..Just a thought

Completely agree on Canty. I started a thread on the draft board about him a while back. He does have good size and he is a better pass rusher than you might think. He reminds me a little of Charles Mann. I'm thinking we could pick Canty up in the third. :awesomewo

[PA Skins Girl]

i hope we take a chance in the 3rd on Chris Canty. I know he is not a pass rushing defensive end...but he was a run stopping beast and a very tall body..Just a thought
Is he recovered from his knee injury?

[hogs86]

Browns decision will be made today.
Link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61313-2005Mar23.html

[redskin_rich]

Browns decision will be made today.
Link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61313-2005Mar23.html
It seems that JAX would be the front runner but they are in a good position in the draft to get a DE.
Anyway, I'm glad this will be decided soon, I'm getting sick of talking about it.

[LATrueRedskin]

Browns decision will be made today.
Link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61313-2005Mar23.html

I don't think saying, "we're not confident we'll get him" was the right thing to say. I don't know if a player wants to hear that from a team that's courting him.

[bgforever]

Browns decision will be made today.

Yep read it and like what Joe Gibbs said. He stays on it until he gets a legitimate answer. I agree, say your piece and step off or get on board.

Still give Brown credit for at least doing a quick job of getting in your face interviews within one week. Unlike some prima donas who milk the clock like a cash cow.

[bgforever]

It seems that JAX would be the front runner but they are in a good position in the draft to get a DE.
Anyway, I'm glad this will be decided soon, I'm getting sick of talking about it.

Ditto :banghead:

[The 6th Dirtbag]

Okay guys, listen to me. I read more articles on the web and spend more time watching ESPNEWS and searching ESPN.com than anyone else with a job. If Courtney Brown does not land in D.C. it will be because G. Williams has reservations about his productivity. And I'll be fine with that. What true fan doesn't trust big G. Willy? Think about this: If we cared enough to contact CB moments after he was released from Clevland, than we obviously offered him a "fair" contract. By "fair" I mean a contract that CB deserves based on a combination of his stats from his rookie year (only year he didn't end up on IR) and his health. We wouldn't bother rushing to Clevland to buy him and his wife a dinner if we weren't going to offer him a "fair" contract. As far as CB possibly signing with Jacksonville, let me say this: It will not happen. I promise you that. It is between us and Denver. I bet his agent told him to visit and entertain other teams/offers just in case Denver or Washington get nervous and improve their offer. This is likely Courtney Brown's last chance to hit the jackpot in free agency. He might as well take advantage of it and enjoy it. Wouldn't you? In the end he will realize that palying with Penn State teammates LaVar Arrington and Brandon Noble,cousin P.P., the best D-line coach and best D-coordinator is priceless. I am excited to wake up tomorrow and see his pic with the headline, "Brown signs with "'Skins". Regarding Smoot and Pierce: Pierce will prove to be a big loss next season, but it will not destroy our D by any means. He was outstanding, but it was due to coaching, not instinct. He was a nobody until G. Willy came into town. If he is about money than he isn't a real Redskin anyway. Smoot is overrated. I liked him a lot, but his true colors (purple, and pee) shined through. He wasn't even our #1 corner back. We definitley need a repalcement for him, but his departure is no biggie. Seriously. I would love it if we drafted CB Antrel Rolle from the "U". He and Taylor would be scary. Straight up scary in the secondary. Anyway, one more thing: When Gibbs (who I love to death) said last season that Smoot and Pierce were "Real Redskins" he was either lying or he did not know what he was talking about. So, which one is it? I guess he just didn't know Smoot and Pierce like he thought he did. By the way, is it possible that either Smoot or Pierce know something about our team that we don't? Why did they leave? The Giants (Pierce's new team) are a joke, and the Vikings (Smoot's team) lost one of the league's best players in Randy Moss, so what were they thinking? Or are they just money-hungry idiots who have more greed than heart? My prediction for the draft is CB Antrel Rolle at #9. No trade downs, no DEs. Our record next season will be 11-5. I know it is optimistic, but don't sleep on the fact that our 3 coaches are Gibbs, Williams, and Bugel. Good God, I love this team!

[bgforever]

6th DB,

I think that Gibbs just didn't know the intensity for which today's players will bolt out of the previous team. Yes money changes everything, well at least for some. Could it be that the Teddi Bruschi's of the world are returning, well I don't think so, now that he's in a carerr threatening mode. That is why players like Brown, Pierce, and Smoot try to cash in as much as possible. Certainly for Pierce, who is really a backup who happened to really well, cashed in the most of anyone in the NFL hands down.

Well if they all were facing a career threatening injury, they'd make out better for "life" financially, by having enough money to fall back on to cover all those very expensive doctor bills and whatever. Bruschi surely has put away a nice nestegg for his current rainy day, because if he didn't he'd have to have access to more financial help, for all the signings he didn't do to collect early, even after his THIRD SB!

[The 6th Dirtbag]

Oh yeah, about Rod Gardner...The fact that we have not yet traded him means that we are being picky, as we should be. We will get value for him. I would consider a second round pick to be more than adequate, a thrid rounder to be a 'lil less than he is worth, but acceptable, and a fourth rounder to be absurd. Look for him get us a late second rounder from a team desperate for a #2 WR or a third rounder from just about any team willing to see if he is better than he played with us. As far as a trade, well...there are simply too many possibilities to figure. By the way, he has a big frame (perfect for a #2 WR, but he drops passes like they were cell phone calls.

[bgforever]

...but he drops passes like they were cell phone calls.


:lol1:

[The 6th Dirtbag]

Dude, I am so excited for next season it isn't even funny. I love our schedule too. Santana Moss will burn Chump Bailey worse than Gonorreha. The Raiders game will rock just because of Randy Moss. The Chargers will be cool because they are a solid team and LaDanian Tomlinson vs. Clinton Portis is more heavyweight than Tyson vs. Lewis. The Rams and Seahawks are both rare NFC matchups. Arizona will be hot because they have both Wrs ( Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald) healthy. If we actually drafted CB Antrel Rolle from the "U" @ #9, just remember that in his junior year at Miami he held Larry Fitzgerald to 3 catches for 27 yards. Hey, if he could do that in his JUNIOR year in college, what will he do in his junior (3rd) year in the NFL? Terrell Owens (who will still be with the Eagles in 3 years) would be intersting... By that time Smoot will be a distant memory, stuck in Minnesota with a bunch of no names.

[bgforever]

Dude, I am so excited for next season it isn't even funny. I love our schedule too. Santana Moss will burn Chump Bailey worse than Gonorreha. The Raiders game will rock just because of Randy Moss. The Chargers will be cool because they are a solid team and LaDanian Tomlinson vs. Clinton Portis is more heavyweight than Tyson vs. Lewis. The Rams and Seahawks are both rare NFC matchups. Arizona will be hot because they have both Wrs ( Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald) healthy. If we actually drafted CB Antrel Rolle from the "U" @ #9, just remember that in his junior year at Miami he held Larry Fitzgerald to 3 catches for 27 yards. Hey, if he could do that in his JUNIOR year in college, what will he do in his junior (3rd) year in the NFL? Terrell Owens (who will still be with the Eagles in 3 years) would be intersting... By that time Smoot will be a distant memory, stuck in Minnesota with a bunch of no names.

all this without even having plucked the fruit from the vine in April, infreakincredible! Hey, :beer: gotta' go for now!

Smooty will be doing Jamaican bobsledding commercials

[RoanokeSkin]

I work with a hardcore Broncos fan and he is actually pretty pissed off that they are going after Brown. He remembers the Darryl Gardener situation, in which he played 1 preseason game, no regular season games and they are still paying him.

Broncos fans want corners, not lineman. After all, the hurdle they cannot clear is the Colts, because their secondary gets toasted every time they play. I would have to agree with him in that getting Brown doesnt help them near as much as it could help us (if he is healthy, which is a big if).

[Redblood]

Okay guys, listen to me. As far as CB possibly signing with Jacksonville, let me say this: It will not happen. I promise you that. It is between us and Denver. I would love it if we drafted CB Antrel Rolle from the "U". He and Taylor would be scary. Straight up scary in the secondary. Anyway, one more thing: When Gibbs (who I love to death) said last season that Smoot and Pierce were "Real Redskins" he was either lying or he did not know what he was talking about. Or are they just money-hungry idiots who have more greed than heart? My prediction for the draft is CB Antrel Rolle at #9. No trade downs, no DEs. Our record next season will be 11-5. I know it is optimistic!


OK, I "listened". When we see CB sign for the money elsewhere, we will know, just like Smoot & Pierce, money hungry!

B&G said it: "They'd make out better for "life" financially, by having enough money to fall back on to cover all those very expensive doctor bills and whatever."

According to the Washtimes, it appears you may be correct about Rolle.
But remember, the Times reported our interest in Fassel, even while the Post reported the signing of HOF Coach Gibbs.

I also "listened" to your later thread about Rod (50/50) Gardner. I think the Seabirds and a 3rd, but hey, I'd settle for a pair of shoes!

[warpaint]

Okay guys, listen to me. I read more articles on the web and spend more time watching ESPNEWS and searching ESPN.com than anyone else with a job. If Courtney Brown does not land in D.C. it will be because G. Williams has reservations about his productivity. And I'll be fine with that. What true fan doesn't trust big G. Willy? Think about this: If we cared enough to contact CB moments after he was released from Clevland, than we obviously offered him a "fair" contract. By "fair" I mean a contract that CB deserves based on a combination of his stats from his rookie year (only year he didn't end up on IR) and his health. We wouldn't bother rushing to Clevland to buy him and his wife a dinner if we weren't going to offer him a "fair" contract. As far as CB possibly signing with Jacksonville, let me say this: It will not happen. I promise you that. It is between us and Denver. I bet his agent told him to visit and entertain other teams/offers just in case Denver or Washington get nervous and improve their offer. This is likely Courtney Brown's last chance to hit the jackpot in free agency. He might as well take advantage of it and enjoy it. Wouldn't you? In the end he will realize that palying with Penn State teammates LaVar Arrington and Brandon Noble,cousin P.P., the best D-line coach and best D-coordinator is priceless. I am excited to wake up tomorrow and see his pic with the headline, "Brown signs with "'Skins". Regarding Smoot and Pierce: Pierce will prove to be a big loss next season, but it will not destroy our D by any means. He was outstanding, but it was due to coaching, not instinct. He was a nobody until G. Willy came into town. If he is about money than he isn't a real Redskin anyway. Smoot is overrated. I liked him a lot, but his true colors (purple, and pee) shined through. He wasn't even our #1 corner back. We definitley need a repalcement for him, but his departure is no biggie. Seriously. I would love it if we drafted CB Antrel Rolle from the "U". He and Taylor would be scary. Straight up scary in the secondary. Anyway, one more thing: When Gibbs (who I love to death) said last season that Smoot and Pierce were "Real Redskins" he was either lying or he did not know what he was talking about. So, which one is it? I guess he just didn't know Smoot and Pierce like he thought he did. By the way, is it possible that either Smoot or Pierce know something about our team that we don't? Why did they leave? The Giants (Pierce's new team) are a joke, and the Vikings (Smoot's team) lost one of the league's best players in Randy Moss, so what were they thinking? Or are they just money-hungry idiots who have more greed than heart? My prediction for the draft is CB Antrel Rolle at #9. No trade downs, no DEs. Our record next season will be 11-5. I know it is optimistic, but don't sleep on the fact that our 3 coaches are Gibbs, Williams, and Bugel. Good God, I love this team!


with free agency its just a job and there isnt much loyality on either side ,owners or players it is all about the $$$. i take the side of the players here,their careers are short and they have to get paid while they can. they are only one play away from a career ending injury. dont know about you but the only reason i show up for work each day is the $$ only reason i do my best is in the hope of making more of it. i think gibbs knew exactly what he was saying when he said both players were core type players .
anyways i wish both the best, we all have to do what we think is the best for our careers.

[PA Skins Girl]

Okay guys, listen to me. I read more articles on the web and spend more time watching ESPNEWS and searching ESPN.com than anyone else with a job.
While I appreciate your enthusiasm, I wouldnt come on this board with your first post and state that you know more about the Skins than anyone else here. If you stick around, you'll find that we have extremely knowledgable and insightful members in this forum. With that, let me be the first to welcome you to the board.

[akhhorus]

Okay guys, listen to me. I read more articles on the web and spend more time watching ESPNEWS and searching ESPN.com than anyone else with a job. If Courtney Brown does not land in D.C. it will be because G. Williams has reservations about his productivity. And I'll be fine with that. What true fan doesn't trust big G. Willy? Think about this: If we cared enough to contact CB moments after he was released from Clevland, than we obviously offered him a "fair" contract. By "fair" I mean a contract that CB deserves based on a combination of his stats from his rookie year (only year he didn't end up on IR) and his health. We wouldn't bother rushing to Clevland to buy him and his wife a dinner if we weren't going to offer him a "fair" contract. As far as CB possibly signing with Jacksonville, let me say this: It will not happen. I promise you that. It is between us and Denver. I bet his agent told him to visit and entertain other teams/offers just in case Denver or Washington get nervous and improve their offer. This is likely Courtney Brown's last chance to hit the jackpot in free agency. He might as well take advantage of it and enjoy it. Wouldn't you? In the end he will realize that palying with Penn State teammates LaVar Arrington and Brandon Noble,cousin P.P., the best D-line coach and best D-coordinator is priceless. I am excited to wake up tomorrow and see his pic with the headline, "Brown signs with "'Skins". Regarding Smoot and Pierce: Pierce will prove to be a big loss next season, but it will not destroy our D by any means. He was outstanding, but it was due to coaching, not instinct. He was a nobody until G. Willy came into town. If he is about money than he isn't a real Redskin anyway. Smoot is overrated. I liked him a lot, but his true colors (purple, and pee) shined through. He wasn't even our #1 corner back. We definitley need a repalcement for him, but his departure is no biggie. Seriously. I would love it if we drafted CB Antrel Rolle from the "U". He and Taylor would be scary. Straight up scary in the secondary. Anyway, one more thing: When Gibbs (who I love to death) said last season that Smoot and Pierce were "Real Redskins" he was either lying or he did not know what he was talking about. So, which one is it? I guess he just didn't know Smoot and Pierce like he thought he did. By the way, is it possible that either Smoot or Pierce know something about our team that we don't? Why did they leave? The Giants (Pierce's new team) are a joke, and the Vikings (Smoot's team) lost one of the league's best players in Randy Moss, so what were they thinking? Or are they just money-hungry idiots who have more greed than heart? My prediction for the draft is CB Antrel Rolle at #9. No trade downs, no DEs. Our record next season will be 11-5. I know it is optimistic, but don't sleep on the fact that our 3 coaches are Gibbs, Williams, and Bugel. Good God, I love this team!


You know more about football because you read articles on the web and watch ESPN all the time? :lol1:

If you want to last here, I would recommend not posting like this anymore. You'll be thought of with guys like COUNCILMAN(thats a bad thing).

Oh and welcome to HR.

[joethefan]

Dude you are all over the place...good grief. I got a headache reading that...(remembering my presure points)...

Whoo-Saa....
and beleive me ESPN many times don't get it right....I hope you're not a Dan P. fan as much as you watch and read ESPN....

[MoeRedskins]

What true fan doesn't trust big G. Willy?

one that would call him big G. Willy

[Redskinfan28]

Okay guys, listen to me. I read more articles on the web and spend more time watching ESPNEWS and searching ESPN.com than anyone else with a job. If Courtney Brown does not land in D.C. it will be because G. Williams has reservations about his productivity. And I'll be fine with that. What true fan doesn't trust big G. Willy? Think about this: If we cared enough to contact CB moments after he was released from Clevland, than we obviously offered him a "fair" contract. By "fair" I mean a contract that CB deserves based on a combination of his stats from his rookie year (only year he didn't end up on IR) and his health. We wouldn't bother rushing to Clevland to buy him and his wife a dinner if we weren't going to offer him a "fair" contract. As far as CB possibly signing with Jacksonville, let me say this: It will not happen. I promise you that. It is between us and Denver. I bet his agent told him to visit and entertain other teams/offers just in case Denver or Washington get nervous and improve their offer. This is likely Courtney Brown's last chance to hit the jackpot in free agency. He might as well take advantage of it and enjoy it. Wouldn't you? In the end he will realize that palying with Penn State teammates LaVar Arrington and Brandon Noble,cousin P.P., the best D-line coach and best D-coordinator is priceless. I am excited to wake up tomorrow and see his pic with the headline, "Brown signs with "'Skins". Regarding Smoot and Pierce: Pierce will prove to be a big loss next season, but it will not destroy our D by any means. He was outstanding, but it was due to coaching, not instinct. He was a nobody until G. Willy came into town. If he is about money than he isn't a real Redskin anyway. Smoot is overrated. I liked him a lot, but his true colors (purple, and pee) shined through. He wasn't even our #1 corner back. We definitley need a repalcement for him, but his departure is no biggie. Seriously. I would love it if we drafted CB Antrel Rolle from the "U". He and Taylor would be scary. Straight up scary in the secondary. Anyway, one more thing: When Gibbs (who I love to death) said last season that Smoot and Pierce were "Real Redskins" he was either lying or he did not know what he was talking about. So, which one is it? I guess he just didn't know Smoot and Pierce like he thought he did. By the way, is it possible that either Smoot or Pierce know something about our team that we don't? Why did they leave? The Giants (Pierce's new team) are a joke, and the Vikings (Smoot's team) lost one of the league's best players in Randy Moss, so what were they thinking? Or are they just money-hungry idiots who have more greed than heart? My prediction for the draft is CB Antrel Rolle at #9. No trade downs, no DEs. Our record next season will be 11-5. I know it is optimistic, but don't sleep on the fact that our 3 coaches are Gibbs, Williams, and Bugel. Good God, I love this team!

Seriously, I finished War and Peace before I finished this post. You covered like 7 issues in one post. Both impressive and annoying.

[BIGSEF3]

Okay guys, listen to me. I read more articles on the web and spend more time watching ESPNEWS and searching ESPN.com than anyone else with a job. If Courtney Brown does not land in D.C. it will be because G. Williams has reservations about his productivity. And I'll be fine with that. What true fan doesn't trust big G. Willy? Think about this: If we cared enough to contact CB moments after he was released from Clevland, than we obviously offered him a "fair" contract. By "fair" I mean a contract that CB deserves based on a combination of his stats from his rookie year (only year he didn't end up on IR) and his health. We wouldn't bother rushing to Clevland to buy him and his wife a dinner if we weren't going to offer him a "fair" contract. As far as CB possibly signing with Jacksonville, let me say this: It will not happen. I promise you that. It is between us and Denver. I bet his agent told him to visit and entertain other teams/offers just in case Denver or Washington get nervous and improve their offer. This is likely Courtney Brown's last chance to hit the jackpot in free agency. He might as well take advantage of it and enjoy it. Wouldn't you? In the end he will realize that palying with Penn State teammates LaVar Arrington and Brandon Noble,cousin P.P., the best D-line coach and best D-coordinator is priceless. I am excited to wake up tomorrow and see his pic with the headline, "Brown signs with "'Skins". Regarding Smoot and Pierce: Pierce will prove to be a big loss next season, but it will not destroy our D by any means. He was outstanding, but it was due to coaching, not instinct. He was a nobody until G. Willy came into town. If he is about money than he isn't a real Redskin anyway. Smoot is overrated. I liked him a lot, but his true colors (purple, and pee) shined through. He wasn't even our #1 corner back. We definitley need a repalcement for him, but his departure is no biggie. Seriously. I would love it if we drafted CB Antrel Rolle from the "U". He and Taylor would be scary. Straight up scary in the secondary. Anyway, one more thing: When Gibbs (who I love to death) said last season that Smoot and Pierce were "Real Redskins" he was either lying or he did not know what he was talking about. So, which one is it? I guess he just didn't know Smoot and Pierce like he thought he did. By the way, is it possible that either Smoot or Pierce know something about our team that we don't? Why did they leave? The Giants (Pierce's new team) are a joke, and the Vikings (Smoot's team) lost one of the league's best players in Randy Moss, so what were they thinking? Or are they just money-hungry idiots who have more greed than heart? My prediction for the draft is CB Antrel Rolle at #9. No trade downs, no DEs. Our record next season will be 11-5. I know it is optimistic, but don't sleep on the fact that our 3 coaches are Gibbs, Williams, and Bugel. Good God, I love this team!


when fillabustering, i recommend the use of the enter key on your keyboard. you can press enter twice...

...and have an entirely new line to write on. pressing the enter key twice is a great idea to seperate your thoughts and ideas into a literary device known as a paragraph. here is an example...

fred smoot. blah blah blah.

joe gibbs. blah blah blah.

mother teresa. blah blah blah.

space aliens are invading the planet. blah blah blah.

if you have any questions about the use of the paragraph, please consult the latest MLA handbook.click here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0873529863/qid=1111679343/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0798491-2365743?v=glance&s=books).

[Redskin4Life]

Any news yet about him signing anywhere???

[HurricaneSkins]

I am searching and searching ...any news would be good news.

[IowaSkinsFan]

He was to inform the teams that are interested by the end of this week. Nothing new yet.

[techskinsfan]

stop wasting my time cb just sign somewhere...i cant go past week 6 in my franchise until i know if i hafta trade for him...i have everyone and i drafted braylon edwards, alex smith, ok mlb, kj harris as my big back, jason brown behind rabach, and eric green outta tech...haha the rook projection isnt as realistic cuz all those guys are top 3 rd guys really..except maybe harris hes 3-5 and not sure about the ok mlb

[BIGSEF3]

have we retired part IV already?

[IowaSkinsFan]

Since there is no news regarding CB, I am merging this thread with the existing thread on CB.

[Redskin4Life]

Any news about CB signing anywhere???

[Estrn_Shoreskin]

Okay guys, listen to me. I read more articles on the web and spend more time watching ESPNEWS and searching ESPN.com than anyone else with a job. If Courtney Brown does not land in D.C. it will be because G. Williams has reservations about his productivity. And I'll be fine with that. What true fan doesn't trust big G. Willy? Think about this: If we cared enough to contact CB moments after he was released from Clevland, than we obviously offered him a "fair" contract. By "fair" I mean a contract that CB deserves based on a combination of his stats from his rookie year (only year he didn't end up on IR) and his health. We wouldn't bother rushing to Clevland to buy him and his wife a dinner if we weren't going to offer him a "fair" contract. As far as CB possibly signing with Jacksonville, let me say this: It will not happen. I promise you that. It is between us and Denver. I bet his agent told him to visit and entertain other teams/offers just in case Denver or Washington get nervous and improve their offer. This is likely Courtney Brown's last chance to hit the jackpot in free agency. He might as well take advantage of it and enjoy it. Wouldn't you? In the end he will realize that palying with Penn State teammates LaVar Arrington and Brandon Noble,cousin P.P., the best D-line coach and best D-coordinator is priceless. I am excited to wake up tomorrow and see his pic with the headline, "Brown signs with "'Skins". Regarding Smoot and Pierce: Pierce will prove to be a big loss next season, but it will not destroy our D by any means. He was outstanding, but it was due to coaching, not instinct. He was a nobody until G. Willy came into town. If he is about money than he isn't a real Redskin anyway. Smoot is overrated. I liked him a lot, but his true colors (purple, and pee) shined through. He wasn't even our #1 corner back. We definitley need a repalcement for him, but his departure is no biggie. Seriously. I would love it if we drafted CB Antrel Rolle from the "U". He and Taylor would be scary. Straight up scary in the secondary. Anyway, one more thing: When Gibbs (who I love to death) said last season that Smoot and Pierce were "Real Redskins" he was either lying or he did not know what he was talking about. So, which one is it? I guess he just didn't know Smoot and Pierce like he thought he did. By the way, is it possible that either Smoot or Pierce know something about our team that we don't? Why did they leave? The Giants (Pierce's new team) are a joke, and the Vikings (Smoot's team) lost one of the league's best players in Randy Moss, so what were they thinking? Or are they just money-hungry idiots who have more greed than heart? My prediction for the draft is CB Antrel Rolle at #9. No trade downs, no DEs. Our record next season will be 11-5. I know it is optimistic, but don't sleep on the fact that our 3 coaches are Gibbs, Williams, and Bugel. Good God, I love this team!

"purple and pee" classic

[bgforever]

Any news about CB signing anywhere???

Mywatch has turned up nothing. Here's my take.

The big time owner's meeting had some meaty subjects in them and two owners for sure would want their say so in purse strings a bit stronger at this time. Minnesota with a new owner, Dan Snyder, Seattle, Denver, JAX as well.

By now the club he's signing with is giving him time to arrive at their facilities, with possible family members, dinner, rest and either a late announcement tonight (by wire or "source" leak on purpose) and a formal conference tommorow or Monday.


Of the teams he's looked at, Seattle may have recruited Lincoln Kennedy to talk to Courtney Brown, and JAX and Seattle, is the likely place he'll sign.

Funny when I went to Denver's website, it appeared to more like a fan board than an "Official Site" complete with gee whiz speculation and more acting like to appeal to fans, than staying in close with the actual ball club, like Washington's . Dallas' is more like a newspaper, that's why they lack education on their own team (well most of them :) ), and Denver apparently isn't as appealing after seeing Bailey choke so much. Still if Courtney goes there, its because Denver still is likely to make the playoffs once again.

But hey, how 'bout Seattle, JAX and even us :)

[redskin_rich]

Brown still is undecided.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A64248-2005Mar24?language=printer

[koepke25]

"Why did they leave? The Giants (Pierce's new team) are a joke, and the Vikings (Smoot's team) lost one of the league's best players in Randy Moss, so what were they thinking? Or are they just money-hungry idiots who have more greed than heart? "

Unfortunately football is a business. I think as fans sometimes we forget that this sport we love so much is a livelyhood to these players. Granted they make millions of dollars no matter where they play, it is the American dream to make the best life you can for yourself and your family. I love the company I work for and if any other company offered me the same money there is no way I would leave. On the other hand, if I was offered a substantial amount more I would walk into my boss's office and give him the chance to match the offer. If he decided it would not to match I would thank him, pack my S**t and leave. I have no hard feelings towards Smoot and Pierce. Cole on the other hand sucks big donkey b@lls. I am glad to see he and his 1 touchdown go.

[lakeskin]

Brown's second cousin is here, his boy Lavar is here AND his agent also represents DC Gregg Williams... Just sign already...

[bgforever]

Brown's second cousin is here, his boy Lavar is here AND his agent also represents DC Gregg Williams... Just sign already...

Can't be any simpler than that. Plus he has a chance to prove himself once and for all, like Ramsey. If he's doubting himself, then goodbye, because, in GW 's defense you can't hid behind the play of another. Everyone totes the line.

[akhhorus]

The Seattle Times is saying that Brown is expected to sign with the Broncos today.

[whitskins]

The Seattle Times is saying that Brown is expected to sign with the Broncos today.

Oh well... He'll probably be out for the season by the time we play the Broncos :) Courtney, we would have saved your career.

[akhhorus]

The link:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002218936_hawks25.html

At the bottom of the page:
"DE Courtney Brown, a former No. 1 overall draft pick who visited the Seahawks this week, is expected to sign with the Broncos."

[ryflan47]

call the waambulance.. now we'll have some room to sign our draft picks

[BIGSEF3]

this doesnt sadden me one bit. i am curious, however, what denver offered him financially compared to what we offered.

the intangibles we have here are infinately better than anything denver has to offer. if they were comparable contracts, than i am REALLY glad we didnt sign him, b/c he obviously wouldnt be true skins material.

denvers offer for him to be a full-time starter may be appealing, but he knows he wont be healthy enough for that. he also should know that if he is healthly enough to play all the snaps, and performs well, that williams wouldnt need to rotate DE's as much. i hope they are paying him ALOT of money if he choses them over us.

[CNYSkinFan]

The link:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002218936_hawks25.html

At the bottom of the page:
"DE Courtney Brown, a former No. 1 overall draft pick who visited the Seahawks this week, is expected to sign with the Broncos."

They could be culling this off the ap wire or what the post is saying. We will see what happens.

[EberKain]

The link:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2002218936_hawks25.html

At the bottom of the page:
"DE Courtney Brown, a former No. 1 overall draft pick who visited the Seahawks this week, is expected to sign with the Broncos."

They seem to be the only ones saying that, smells like conjecture to me.

[MoeRedskins]

i wish he would just sign w/somebody already, get this whole process over with so we can go back to argueing over what to do with the draft pick.

[akhhorus]

They seem to be the only ones saying that, smells like conjecture to me.

until I see something contradicting it, it is the only info we have.

[OCSkinzFan]

Am I the only one, but I think courtney Brown playing for the Browns is funny. He should stay there just to be ironic. We have a Washington playing for us (we've had several). Are there any more around the league?

[straightupbeast]

Am I the only one, but I think courtney Brown playing for the Browns is funny. He should stay there just to be ironic. We have a Washington playing for us (we've had several). Are there any more around the league?

yes a guy named chris green bay on the packers

[CNYSkinFan]

yes a guy named chris green bay on the packers

And Stan Diego, WR for the Chargers

[skinit2winit]

And Stan Diego, WR for the Chargers

Don't forget Willie Gay, TE with Dallas

[ryflan47]

Don't forget Willie Gay, TE with Dallas
Hahahahaha that's good material.

[Slobberknocker]

I picked this off the wire today, and from the context it smells fishy. Oh, how I wish it were true!!!!

"Salary Cap Situation The Redskins were $9.6 million below the salary cap on March 4, 2005 according to ESPN website reporter John Clayton."

Almost 10 mil BELOW cap? Everything I've read said we were clinging around 2. That would explain the bit about Dyson then.

Do we have room or don't we? Seems we somehow keep managing to pull rabbits from hats, so maybe it's not really that bad. Clarity seems the one missing thing from all these stories flying around.

[GolfFreak]

I picked this off the wire today, and from the context it smells fishy. Oh, how I wish it were true!!!!

"Salary Cap Situation The Redskins were $9.6 million below the salary cap on March 4, 2005 according to ESPN website reporter John Clayton."

Almost 10 mil BELOW cap? Everything I've read said we were clinging around 2. That would explain the bit about Dyson then.

Do we have room or don't we? Seems we somehow keep managing to pull rabbits from hats, so maybe it's not really that bad. Clarity seems the one missing thing from all these stories flying around.

That was probably before the Coles/Moss trade. It's March 25th now dude.

[SonnyandSam]

That was as of March 4. A lot has happened since then including all the cap space lost in the Coles fiasco...old, old, old.... information that is no longer correct.

[colkurtz]

My personal update on the Courtney Brown thread. "Ending with a whimper, not a bang".

Everyday, I more pessimistic that he'll go elsewhere.

[BurgundyNGold]

My personal update on the Courtney Brown thread. "Ending with a whimper, not a bang".

Everyday, I more pessimistic that he'll go elsewhere.
Let him go. Kenny hit the nail on the head in the Blog.

[colkurtz]

Let him go. Kenny hit the nail on the head in the Blog.

You are so right. I [briefly] got excited about him. I could live with the gamble. Now he's dead to me - goodbye CB.

[BurgundyNGold]

You are so right. I [briefly] got excited about him. I could live with the gamble. Now he's dead to me - goodbye CB.
Courtney Brown sleeps with the fishes...

[redcayman]

I used to be excited about CB coming here. He has been so wishy washy I, dont even want him anymore. Its not like he is going to one of our division opponents either so good bye I hope he is happy where ever he goes. I want to spend our money on Dyson now. We can draft a DE or wait till June cuts to see who comes out.

[Redskinfan28]

I don't blame him for seeking the most money and the best deal possible. You guys act like he should be honored that the Redskins even consider him. Remember, we were 6-10 last year and haven't sniffed the playoffs in years.

Its not like we are the Patriots.

[OCSkinzFan]

And Stan Diego, WR for the Chargers

I'm crying, I'm laughing so hard.

[rskinsfan10]

I don't blame him for seeking the most money and the best deal possible. You guys act like he should be honored that the Redskins even consider him. Remember, we were 6-10 last year and haven't sniffed the playoffs in years.

Its not like we are the Patriots.

Actually, yes he should be honored that the Redskins are considering him. He should be honored that anyone for that matter is offering him millions, considering that he has earned millions so far without essentially breaking a sweat.

[colkurtz]

Actually, yes he should be honored that the Redskins are considering him. He should be honored that anyone for that matter is offering him millions, considering that he has earned millions so far without essentially breaking a sweat.

YES! If we looked at any player who has 17 sacks in 5 seasons and had missed 33 of 80 games, we'd be all yawning..... It's because he started at the #1 pick that there is still a hope of greatness.............

[EberKain]

Another day of indecision?

[Redskinfan28]

Actually, yes he should be honored that the Redskins are considering him. He should be honored that anyone for that matter is offering him millions, considering that he has earned millions so far without essentially breaking a sweat.

But that doesn't mean he is doing anything wrong but simply taking the best deal possible. If that means waiting, so be it. He doesn't owe the Redskins anything.

[rskinsfan10]

But that doesn't mean he is doing anything wrong but simply taking the best deal possible. If that means waiting, so be it. He doesn't owe the Redskins anything.

If it were that simple, then what's the holdup? It shouldn't be too hard for him to decipher which deal is the best one possible. It is pretty obvious to me that there are other factors involved.

If he doesn't owe the Redskins anything, then that goes both ways. They should pull their offer and move on to help him out with making up his mind. One less team to have to pick from. I tend to believe that he owes each team that has offered him a contract an answer ASAP. It's not as if the entire league is beating down his door. Right now, he is a flop, and nothing will change that until he produces wih some consistency. Without these teams, including the Skins offering him that chance, then how else could he even attempt to prove it?

[skinsfan36]

heard on espn radio he will make his decision saturday(we have heard this 3 or 4 times already)

[bgforever]

heard on espn radio he will make his decision saturday(we have heard this 3 or 4 times already)


CB has just changed his mind again and decided its best to make his announcement on Draft Day.

j/k

[Ramsey2Moss]

Either he's seriously thinking about going here, or he's having trouble ordering a suit in Broncos colors.

[bgforever]

Actually, yes he should be honored that the Redskins are considering him. He should be honored that anyone for that matter is offering him millions, considering that he has earned millions so far without essentially breaking a sweat.

Honorable statement indeed. He's not exactly in that much of control for leverage, so there has to be intangibles. Denver isn't in a years to come mode, its win now or else. JAX is working their way up like us and to me, that's who really offers him a couple of years to get back to full form. Denver will expect immediate and sudden impact, as some of their dependables are aging, to include Lynch, Smith, Snake.

[skinsfan36]

well it looks like this percentage wise on getting brown
jax 33%
den 33%
us 33%
cle 1%
at least thats what he making me think

[bgforever]

well it looks like this percentage wise on getting brown
jax 33%
den 33%
us 33%
cle 1%
at least thats what he making me think

Besides that being an indication of over speculation in his own house (family and all), he is showing signs of immaturity with key decision making. First of all, if Family comes first, consider the child's lifestyle, besides your own. Also, what is their environmental offering in the next 5-10 years before or during their last high school years. Next what are the key community activities important to you and how are they best served, in relation to your family and their time. Behind closed doors, things like this matter to most NFLer's and their families. We are mostly concerned with all the nuasances of the game, while they have to be concerned safe as possible environment, expenses for their own lifestyles, schools, investments, communities, etc.

Of course many players see this and the other things as well that DO happen to be in the Redskins Park area and make the move.

CB may be focusing too much in a given area that may not be as meaningful or its superstition. Don't worry, the FBI won't be looking at you from across the road with earpones and big electro instruments :)

[whitskins]

What Brown is doing is fielding offers from as many teams as possible in order to turn the heat up on each of his suitors to cut down on their incentives and turn a portion of that money into up front and guaranteed cash. The fact that he has not yet signed indicates that no team has yet done this, as none should.

He's out for all he can get but is finding out that he does not hold much clout here. I don't think we should be pulling money off the table. If he's worth what we offered him then let him look at the contract and choose yes or no. There aren't any other DEs that we're entertaining (that I'm aware of), so I'm sure our plan minus CB for the draft is already in place. It is annoying that he has not yet chosen but we clearly want him quite a bit, otherwise we would just pull the offer completely.

But we're not going to give him anything more than we've already offered, which is the right thing to do. He's going to realize soon that the other teams won't either, or they already would have. So hurry it up gimpy.

[War Hogg]

CB owes the Redskins nothing...or any other team for that matter!
We proposed an offer to him and however long it takes to make his decision is his biz....

If the FO thinks he's moving to slow then we need to move on without him...

[bgforever]

CB owes the Redskins nothing...or any other team for that matter!
We proposed an offer to him and however long it takes to make his decision is his biz....

If the FO thinks he's moving to slow then we need to move on without him...

True to the point. Apparently the Skins look it at it with a grain of salt and haven't stopped the presses because of CB. My previous post above is focused on "why" he could be taking as long, but also that he has trouble making up his mind first THEN announcing it. Announcing that you are going to do this or that, 2 times and don't means you should just wait it out till you know for sure you picked your team, THEN go public. To me one needs more training in "planning" before worrying about telling us anything first. That to me is not mature. I know he could care less what I think, but just the same, I 'd rather not know till you made up you're mind anyway.

[rskinsfan10]

True to the point. Apparently the Skins look it at it with a grain of salt and haven't stopped the presses because of CB. My previous post above is focused on "why" he could be taking as long, but also that he has trouble making up his mind first THEN announcing it. Announcing that you are going to do this or that, 2 times and don't means you should just wait it out till you know for sure you picked your team, THEN go public. To me one needs more training in "planning" before worrying about telling us anything first. That to me is not mature. I know he could care less what I think, but just the same, I 'd rather not know till you made up you're mind anyway.

Exactly. He owes the Redskins and everyone else the common courtesy to announce his decision when he said he would. If not the first time, then the second time. We seem to be on the fourth and fifth as of now.

[MWballer]

well his latest deadline was saturday and it looks like hes not going to be able to make that one either.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I've been on a trip for the past week, anyone feel like filling me in on any new developments here?

[whitskins]

I've been on a trip for the past week, anyone feel like filling me in on any new developments here?

CB has visited Jax and Seattle this week and has set at least four separate deadlines for making his decision, all of which he has broken, as he remains undecided.

He is desperately trying to drum up more interest so that one team will blink and add more guaranteed money. He is apparently upset that all the contract offers in front of him are so incentive laden based upon his health.

Denver has also been pretty open about their confidence in signing him, but I don't know how his reluctance to sign anywhere reflects on that. They could just be running their mouths.

[ryflan47]

I've been on a trip for the past week, anyone feel like filling me in on any new developments here?

Yep, CB still hasn't made a decision.