Tidbits on 50/50 and C. Brown per NFL Network

[Redskinfan28]

Adam Sheffner (sp) from the NFL network is apparently reporting that (1) 50/50 will be traded to the Seahawks for their 4th round pick and (2) CB will sign with the Broncos after he completes his visit with Seattle.

They are discussing it at this link:

http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=96301

[RedskinRyan]

shouldnt be expecting anything more than a 4th rounder for rod, he certainly isnt worth a 2nd, i was hoping a late 3rd though.

not too disappointed in courtney brown not coming here.

[Redskinfan28]

shouldnt be expecting anything more than a 4th rounder for rod, he certainly isnt worth a 2nd, i was hoping a late 3rd though.

not too disappointed in courtney brown not coming here.

I feel the same if everything works out that way. Teams are not going to bite on RG, especially when they know that the Redskins will release him if he is not traded.

I don't really care if CB comes to Washington. He is never healthy and is not that good when he is.

[PA Skins Girl]

Sounds speculative to me.

[redwolf1218]

Sounds speculative to me.
yep - throwing it out there with nothing to lose, on the chance that they might be able to say "you heard it here first".

[BurgundyNGold]

yep - throwing it out there with nothing to lose, on the chance that they might be able to say "you heard it here first".
True. But this is the NFL Network, not Inside Edition.

[Redskinfan28]

Sounds speculative to me.

True, but that guy is usually correct on what he says. He is not always right but usually gives out good info.

If it would have been from PFT I would not have posted it, as the risk of being lynched by the owners of this site.

[COUNCILMAN]

If I recall I was the only one a week ago who was saying "why are we trying to sign Courtney Brown".

I emphasized the fact that he is always injured, is 20 pounds overweight, cannot rush the passer off the end, and could only be used as a defensive tackle, which we already have 3 solid veterans.

Now, I see everybody coming out of the woodwork to say he is no good and we never needed him. Guess what? We never did. I am the happiest of all that he will not be wasting cap space.

Rod Gardner should be kept if a 4th is all we can get. The guy can catch 70 passes in a contract year. He has already proven he is capable of it. A 4th round draft pick may not even make the special teams. What a waste.

You couldn't draft a 4th rounder with Gardners talent.

[bgforever]

shouldnt be expecting anything more than a 4th rounder for rod, he certainly isnt worth a 2nd, i was hoping a late 3rd though.

not too disappointed in courtney brown not coming here.

What made Rod a hard sell was his off the field activity during preparation for a game. When you are so much younger it is not unusual to hang out a lot and get a few drinks, what have you. Check out the ladies, etc. The problem is when it is steady, so close to the walk throughs and play book adjusment meetings, it tarnishes his abilities come game time. At first glance it may not appear as such, but look at the results, each weekend.


That drop off, or :inkston: should I say, has led to a decrease in value.

CB was gone, the minute he floated around to JAX. If Denver gets him, then I am sure he'll be their 'exclusive" DE, whereas, we would have him rotating to keep him fresh. To that end he is more expendable in their defense who desperately looking to mask Champ Bailey's deficiencies (thus the reason he lobbied so hard for help in his secondary AND a DE). Otherwise he may be close to being somewhat of cap bust.

[BurgundyNGold]

If I recall I was the only one a week ago who was saying "why are we trying to sign Courtney Brown".
Wow. You're so cool. You're like Nostradamus, you are. Or the Amazing Kreskin. Hmmm... the Amazing Councilman?

[Santheb]

Rod will fit right in with Seattle.

[redwolf1218]

well i hope it's true.

[akhhorus]

True, but that guy is usually correct on what he says. He is not always right but usually gives out good info.

If it would have been from PFT I would not have posted it, as the risk of being lynched by the owners of this site.

You can post stuff from PFT, just be sure you mention it is from them.

[PA Skins Girl]

If I recall I was the only one a week ago who was saying "why are we trying to sign Courtney Brown".

I emphasized the fact that he is always injured, is 20 pounds overweight, cannot rush the passer off the end, and could only be used as a defensive tackle, which we already have 3 solid veterans.

Now, I see everybody coming out of the woodwork to say he is no good and we never needed him. Guess what? We never did. I am the happiest of all that he will not be wasting cap space.

Rod Gardner should be kept if a 4th is all we can get. The guy can catch 70 passes in a contract year. He has already proven he is capable of it. A 4th round draft pick may not even make the special teams. What a waste.

You couldn't draft a 4th rounder with Gardners talent.Please, there is not a person on this board that was not leery about the injuries. I think the general consensus was, if he is cheap, go for it. Since it appears that he will not accept our "cheap" offer, it's fine that he signs elsewhere. Geez.

[bgforever]

Rod will fit right in with Seattle.

Definitely! Holgrem would help him to understand some things, for the sake of competiveness of Seattle. They have greater expectations sooner than us and Rod would have to listen. Also , Holgrem won't sign him to long term. He will want a short window with Rod, so he too can unload him, should he not work out. Otherwise the medium range, West Coast offense- somewhat modified would fit. Holgrem, though using the run, will go to pass often.

[CNYSkinFan]

Wow. You're so cool. You're like Nostradamus, you are. Or the Amazing Kreskin. Hmmm... the Amazing Councilman?

:lol1: :funpost:

[PA Skins Girl]

What made Rod a hard sell was his off the field activity during preparation for a game. When you are so much younger it is not unusual to hang out a lot and get a few drinks, what have you. Check out the ladies, etc. The problem is when it is steady, so close to the walk throughs and play book adjusment meetings, it tarnishes his abilities come game time. At first glance it may not appear as such, but look at the results, each weekend.


That drop off, or :inkston: should I say, has led to a decrease in value.

CB was gone, the minute he floated around to JAX. If Denver gets him, then I am sure he'll be their 'exclusive" DE, whereas, we would have him rotating to keep him fresh. To that end he is more expendable in their defense who desperately looking to mask Champ Bailey's deficiencies (thus the reason he lobbied so hard for help in his secondary AND a DE). Otherwise Bache may be close to being somewhat of cap bust.Back in the day, the players would always be out Friday night (since Saturday was a walk-thru day), Sunday night (after the game) and Monday night (Tuesday was their day off).

[MoeRedskins]

Later Rod, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I have to say I am a little disappointed that the Skins didn't get Courtney Brown. I thought being in the skins system would really lead to a good year for him, buy hey, what can you do. I bet it was the call from Champ that got him in Denver. "Why would you want to go to an organization that is finally starting to solidify when you can come to Denver, play in a defense that can't keep up with anybody and lose in the playoffs every year." To bad for CB, now he goes to a division that has some of the best Tackles in football. He could of bet up on Eli for a couple of games.

[akhhorus]

Please, there is not a person on this board that was not leery about the injuries. I think the general consensus was, if he is cheap, go for it. Since it appears that he will not accept our "cheap" offer, it's fine that he signs elsewhere. Geez.

Maybe if we got some wooden planks and nails we could nail him up to own personal REAL RICK cross....

[CNYSkinFan]

To that end he is more expendable in their defense who desperately looking to mask Champ Bailey's deficiencies (thus the reason he lobbied so hard for help in his secondary AND a DE). Otherwise he may be close to being somewhat of cap bust.

Champ Bailey is the biggest chump in the league. I am telling you it is one thing to force a trade to get a contract you think you are owed. But to consistently trash the skins and effect our free agents is quite another.

Champ i used to like you even though you were not in B&G , but now you are just a chump. I hope we play you sometime and you are scampering around on offense so Taylor and Lavar can smack you around.

[akhhorus]

Adam Sheffner (sp) from the NFL network is apparently reporting that (1) 50/50 will be traded to the Seahawks for their 4th round pick and (2) CB will sign with the Broncos after he completes his visit with Seattle.

They are discussing it at this link:

http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=96301

Also, the NFL network said that the Skins were negotiating a deal for both of Tampa's 3rd rounders for Rod and another pick. I believes it whens I sees it.

[joethefan]

well a 4th rounded does beat a cheesburger..... :lol1:

[bgforever]

well a 4th rounded does beat a cheesburger..... :lol1:

Yep and at this point, we haven't got the leverage we once could have had anyway. As each day draws closer to the draft, the interest goes to that area and we have to be careful to not get too much expectations on Gardner. i don't want to ruin our teams' chances to trade him, so I will clam up at this point on him.

[bgforever]

Back in the day, the players would always be out Friday night (since Saturday was a walk-thru day), Sunday night (after the game) and Monday night (Tuesday was their day off).

But the prep has changed a lot since then and there is more to what is expected of the player even if he did handle the clubbing well. He (Gardner) was overlooking a lot of opportuniities to improve his game, for the two years he was with Spurrier and I believe it surprised Gibbs that he had to get him to use the tools available from day one of his signing. The fact he had to be told these things, in itself, is also a problem. (like using the catching machine, doing other intangibles that a 3rd and 4th yr wideout should have been well versed in, by then. Maybe it was the way Spurrier left the Impression with Rod, maybe it wasn't, but clubbing every week, non-stop, sorry, that is a problem.

There is an edge you lose.

[PA Skins Girl]

Yep and at this point, we haven't got the leverage we once could have had anyway. As each day draws closer to the draft, the interest goes to that area and we have to be careful to not get too much expectations on Gardner. i don't want to ruin our teams' chances to trade him, so I will clam up at this point on him.
Exactly.

[BurgundyNGold]

There is an edge you lose.
Or in Rod's case, never develop

[IVSkinsFan]

Didn't Seattle just get a third round pick? We may be able to get it from them. Just a thought.

[COUNCILMAN]

Maybe if we got some wooden planks and nails we could nail him up to own personal REAL RICK cross....

Whats THAT about?

[Davey]

Definitely! Holgrem would help him to understand some things, for the sake of competiveness of Seattle. They have greater expectations sooner than us and Rod would have to listen. Also , Holgrem won't sign him to long term. He will want a short window with Rod, so he too can unload him, should he not work out. Otherwise the medium range, West Coast offense- somewhat modified would fit. Holgrem, though using the run, will go to pass often.

I suspect that Santheb was reffering to the fact that Seattle's current receivers have even worse hands than Rod does.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

If I recall I was the only one a week ago who was saying "why are we trying to sign Courtney Brown".

I emphasized the fact that he is always injured, is 20 pounds overweight, cannot rush the passer off the end, and could only be used as a defensive tackle, which we already have 3 solid veterans.

Now, I see everybody coming out of the woodwork to say he is no good and we never needed him. Guess what? We never did. I am the happiest of all that he will not be wasting cap space.

Rod Gardner should be kept if a 4th is all we can get. The guy can catch 70 passes in a contract year. He has already proven he is capable of it. A 4th round draft pick may not even make the special teams. What a waste.

You couldn't draft a 4th rounder with Gardners talent.
:rolleyes:

i havent seen anyone trash brown in this thread. like PASG said, we all of aware of brown's injury riddled past and that it was best that if he did come here, it be for nothing but a incentive laden contract. it wont break anyone's heart if brown does not sign here. it would be a nice little experiment, but the team wont fall apart if he goes elsewhere.

id be disappointed of all we got for rod was a 4th rounder. he going to start wherever he goes so i dont think a 4th is even in value. it would be nicer than just releasing him outright however.....

[chrisbcbu]

isnt this the same ppl that said we were trading Garder plus our 2nd for 2 3rds?

[BSMKF]

If I recall I was the only one a week ago who was saying "why are we trying to sign Courtney Brown".

I emphasized the fact that he is always injured, is 20 pounds overweight, cannot rush the passer off the end, and could only be used as a defensive tackle, which we already have 3 solid veterans.

Now, I see everybody coming out of the woodwork to say he is no good and we never needed him. Guess what? We never did. I am the happiest of all that he will not be wasting cap space.

Rod Gardner should be kept if a 4th is all we can get. The guy can catch 70 passes in a contract year. He has already proven he is capable of it. A 4th round draft pick may not even make the special teams. What a waste.

You couldn't draft a 4th rounder with Gardners talent.
I would have to agree we our getting ripped off for a 4th for R.Gardner. I think Gardner has number #1 WR talent. I mean think about it his rook season he was our go to guy he had like 800 yards 4 or 5 TDs thats pretty studish for a rook and his 2nd year as go to guy he had like 1100 yards 8 or 9 TDs thats pretty studish for a 2nd year guy. Gardner didnt start to drop untill Coles came in so I say anything less then a 3rd is a rip off.

[BurgundyNGold]

:rolleyes:

i havent seen anyone trash brown in this thread. like PASG said, we all of aware of brown's injury riddled past and that it was best that if he did come here, it be for nothing but a incentive laden contract. it wont break anyone's heart if brown does not sign here. it would be a nice little experiment, but the team wont fall apart if he goes elsewhere.

id be disappointed of all we got for rod was a 4th rounder. he going to start wherever he goes so i dont think a 4th is even in value. it would be nicer than just releasing him outright however.....
You know, when you put it that way, we could savfe $2M against the cap if we released him. I say we have to at least get a 3rd for him. I mean, it's real simple: Trade a 3rd rounder for a legitimate WR with size or take a gamble on an unknown commodity with that 3rd rounder. ITo me, it's a no brainer; you go with the known commodity.

[BIGSEF3]

a 4th for gardner is an insult to us. i think we can get atleast a 3rd. lets hope we just let this slip on purpose to pressure other teams up the ante.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

You know, when you put it that way, we could savfe $2M against the cap if we released him. I say we have to at least get a 3rd for him. I mean, it's real simple: Trade a 3rd rounder for a legitimate WR with size or take a gamble on an unknown commodity with that 3rd rounder. ITo me, it's a no brainer; you go with the known commodity.
i agree. he has proven more than what any 3rd round WR out there has. problem is, he has also proven he has stone hands and the head of a brick at times.

i think we save $2M whether we release him or trade him. i just think we can do better than a 4th, but if thats what it comes down to, its better than nothing. one this is for sure, rod will not be a redskin next year.....

[techskinsfan]

Please, there is not a person on this board that was not leery about the injuries. I think the general consensus was, if he is cheap, go for it. Since it appears that he will not accept our "cheap" offer, it's fine that he signs elsewhere. Geez.
my thoughts exactly

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I would have to agree we our getting ripped off for a 4th for R.Gardner. I think Gardner has number #1 WR talent. I mean think about it his rook season he was our go to guy he had like 800 yards 4 or 5 TDs thats pretty studish for a rook and his 2nd year as go to guy he had like 1100 yards 8 or 9 TDs thats pretty studish for a 2nd year guy. Gardner didnt start to drop untill Coles came in so I say anything less then a 3rd is a rip off.
Ok, I agree a 4th round is not good, but to consider Gardner a #1 WR in the NFL is just ridiculous IMO.

[skins111111]

shouldnt be expecting anything more than a 4th rounder for rod, he certainly isnt worth a 2nd, i was hoping a late 3rd though.

not too disappointed in courtney brown not coming here.

if he hada been 60/40 we mighta got a 3rd........70/30 a 2nd and 80/20 we woulda gave him a raise :)

[nicefellow31]

Definitely! Holgrem would help him to understand some things, for the sake of competiveness of Seattle. They have greater expectations sooner than us and Rod would have to listen. Also , Holgrem won't sign him to long term. He will want a short window with Rod, so he too can unload him, should he not work out. Otherwise the medium range, West Coast offense- somewhat modified would fit. Holgrem, though using the run, will go to pass often.

I thing the original quote was refering to the fact that Seattle's receivers have led the league in drops over the last two years.

[chrisbcbu]

According to Clayton who was just on ESPN radio he said there are now 5 teams interested in Gardner and that a deal should be completed by the end of the week.

[BurgundyNGold]

According to Clayton who was just on ESPN radio he said there are now 5 teams interested in Gardner and that a deal should be completed by the end of the week.
How come we can't get any gravy? Why doesn't Clayton spill the beans over at ESPN.COM?

[colkurtz]

If this is true, the Redskins are getting 'what the traffic will bear" for Gardener. His true worth is being exposed. Posters may lament the he's a "#1 WR", but this trade SHOWS HIS REAL VALUE IN THE NFL.

I thought Courtney Brown was an interesting gamble and worth the risk. However, if all he cares about is getting the biggest paycheck - then I say - have fun in Denver (or wherever). We've brought too many FA into this organization for big, fat bonuses -- only to fail. Coles, Stubblefield, etc. etc,.....I'd rather go for mid-level FA players who want to be on the Gibbs team and have reasonable salaries.

[akhhorus]

According to Clayton who was just on ESPN radio he said there are now 5 teams interested in Gardner and that a deal should be completed by the end of the week.

If there are five teams involved, they will get more than a 4th rounder. Probably a 3rd and something else. And Im guessing the five teams are:
-Tampa
-Seattle
-San Fran
-Cleveland
-Chicago

[PA Skins Girl]

According to Clayton who was just on ESPN radio he said there are now 5 teams interested in Gardner and that a deal should be completed by the end of the week.
Great! The more teams interested, the better value we will get.

[BIGSEF3]

If there are five teams involved, they will get more than a 4th rounder. Probably a 3rd and something else. And Im guessing the five teams are:
-Tampa
-Seattle
-San Fran
-Cleveland
-Chicago

my five are

-Seattle
-Tampa
-Vikings (sure, they just got a WR last week, but they still need depth beyond what the draft may provide them)
-cleveland
-dallas (a personal wish, along with a blessing: "dallas, may he play as well for you as he did for us")

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

my five are

-Seattle
-Tampa
-Vikings (sure, they just got a WR last week, but they still need depth beyond what the draft may provide them)
-cleveland
-dallas (a personal wish, along with a blessing: "dallas, may he play as well for you as he did for us")
Gibbs wouldn't trade him to Dallas... well, as long as their offer isn't a great one.

[redwolf1218]

i think since Plexico signed with the Giants things will heat up now for Gardner. if 5 teams are interested that's great news. he is a starter in the NFL. he's big and he's durable, he never misses games. i'd throw bricks at him for 8 hours a day for a month until he learned to catch.

[skins74]

Thats fine I didn't want a guy with a girls name anyways.

[Skins.Fan]

I have to admit, I'm still hopeful that Brown signs. With our newfound fiscal responsibility, there's reason to think that we won't offer him very much unless he performs, at which point he'd be paid, but would also be worth it. I just think that it is a win big/lose small proposition.

Also, honestly, Rod Gardner joining Seattle makes its own joke. That's like Ray Lewis being traded to Burt Reynolds' prison team in "The Longest Yard".

[ImmortalDragon]

I thought Seahawks signed the WR that was released from the Bucs a few weeks ago. I forgot his name.

[COUNCILMAN]

I know somewhere deep inside that the Skins would not be stupid or foolish enough to let Gardner go for a 4th rounder. Even Gibbs said he was willing to keep him if we didn't get value.

I suspect that an "interesting" trade will end up happening shortly. I really don't think that we're going to just see a 3rd round or 4th round pick for Rod.

As I mentioned before, it wouldn't be a bad idea if the Skins would accept a 2nd round pick or conditional pick for NEXT year. Under that scenario even a 4th round pick this year and a 2nd/3rd NEXT year would be a great deal.

Some team could get Rod cheap this year with a 4th, and then if he performs well we could get real compensation next year with a 2nd or 3rd.

Or maybe its just a 3rd this year for Rod. Who knows? I think I'll channel nostradomus or Edgar Cayce.

[akhhorus]

I know somewhere deep inside that the Skins would not be stupid or foolish enough to let Gardner go for a 4th rounder. Even Gibbs said he was willing to keep him if we didn't get value.

I suspect that an "interesting" trade will end up happening shortly. I really don't think that we're going to just see a 3rd round or 4th round pick for Rod.

As I mentioned before, it wouldn't be a bad idea if the Skins would accept a 2nd round pick or conditional pick for NEXT year. Under that scenario even a 4th round pick this year and a 2nd/3rd NEXT year would be a great deal.

Some team could get Rod cheap this year with a 4th, and then if he performs well we could get real compensation next year with a 2nd or 3rd.

Or maybe its just a 3rd this year for Rod. Who knows? I think I'll channel nostradomus or Edgar Cayce.

Id be happy if you could channel some actual facts, or channel some gumption and backbone so you would actually debate people, instead of making pronouncements and then running and hiding after someone brings up facts that contradict your argument.

[lavarsamonster]

If there are five teams involved, they will get more than a 4th rounder. Probably a 3rd and something else. And Im guessing the five teams are:
-Tampa
-Seattle
-San Fran
-Cleveland
-Chicago

i dont think chicago, because they got mushin, who seems very similar, but better, i think the other one could be the titans, just a crazy guess, i dont know if they have the cap room though

[Redskin4Life]

i agree. he has proven more than what any 3rd round WR out there has. problem is, he has also proven he has stone hands and the head of a brick at times.

i think we save $2M whether we release him or trade him. i just think we can do better than a 4th, but if thats what it comes down to, its better than nothing. one this is for sure, rod will not be a redskin next year.....
TO was a 3rd...

[Jimreaper007]

You cannot rebuild that bridge after telling him to seek his own trade. Yes Gardner caught 70 passes but the issue is consistency.

I really do not care if the rookie catches 25 balls. The key is that he makes clutch catches which Garder could not do on a consistent basis.

[chrisbcbu]

Ill look into my crystal ball. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/chrisbcbu/fortune.gif

Yes we are getting a 3rd rounder for Rod. I think he will end up going to seattle for their 3rd rounder. Possibly their compensatory pick in the 3rd.

[BIGSEF3]

Gibbs wouldn't trade him to Dallas... well, as long as their offer isn't a great one.

Gibbs trading gardner to dallas would be like the US government giving blankets infested with disease to native americans. (sorry, i know thats a morbid analogy, but i couldnt think of anything more appropriate. gardner could conceivably kill their offense). it could end up being a win-win situation for us. plus, it would be fun seeing gardner drop passes thrown by bledsoe in the face of our defense twice per year. it would reinforce our decision to get rid of him. heck, knowing sean taylor would be aiming for him could cause dallas fans to rename him 30/70. :-)

[BurgundyNGold]

Gibbs trading gardner to dallas would be like the US government giving blankets infested with disease to native americans
That was the British and it was in Canada... but I see your point. "A plague on their house" and such.

[C-7]

Wow. You're so cool. You're like Nostradamus, you are. Or the Amazing Kreskin. Hmmm... the Amazing Councilman?





:lol1:

[skinsfan36]

yea i heard joe j is going back to the bucs so he cna rtire there so that could mean the seahawks pull the trigger on gardner,hopefully 3rd rounder.

[dj_stouty]

I have to admit, I'm still hopeful that Brown signs. With our newfound fiscal responsibility, there's reason to think that we won't offer him very much unless he performs, at which point he'd be paid, but would also be worth it.

I think the Redskins have offerred him an incentive laden contract...and that is the exact reason he is looking elsewhere.

[RedskinsVision]

I think the Redskins have offerred him an incentive laden contract...and that is the exact reason he is looking elsewhere.

yeah really.. he's waiting out for the most guaranteed money because it's not like he made $26M for missing 33 games in 5 years.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

TO was a 3rd...
you got me.....but thats one. give me some more names, lol.....