Few Freaks for the Redskins

[Warrior 007]

There are only a few freaks in the draft. A player that is an absolute rare gem and unique at there position skill wise or physically. We struck gold with a freak player last year we should look at one again.

Freaks
Shawne Merriman, DE, Maryland
Matt Jones, WR, Arkansas

Unique Athletes (Not freaks but could be unique players)
Adrian McPherson, QB, Florida St.
Vincent Jackson, WR, Northern Colorado

I would not be mad if the redskins traded down in the late first round or early 2nd round and drafted Matt Jones. He could be used at TE and WR. This would be the most debated pick in years but if we had one of the freaks I would take Jones. 6'7 Pass catchers who runs a 4.3 and can play WR, TE, and trick plays at QB does not come around often

:Padawan:

[BandWagon]

I don't think I'd categorize Merriman as a "freak". He's got an equal shot of being a "tweaner" and never really making an impact at either position as he has to be an all pro. If my money was on one of the two, I'd take the tweaner that never quite lives up to his potential. I could be wrong, but that's how I see it.

[ImmortalDragon]

Merriman will have time to develop while he's behind Wynn and Daniels. If we start him off slow I'm sure he'll turn into a great pass rusher for us.

[bgforever]

Catchy title, thought there'd be some chicks pictures here.
:bigteeth:


Ok, moving right along - It was the best kept secret last season, as to what the restructuring would look like. Even the QB position has versatility, with Tupa able to guide a team besides being an All Pro punter. His height and size help him as well, forcing teams to not gamble as much on blocks

[warpaint]

There are only a few freaks in the draft. A player that is an absolute rare gem and unique at there position skill wise or physically. We struck gold with a freak player last year we should look at one again.

Freaks
Shawne Merriman, DE, Maryland
Matt Jones, WR, Arkansas

Unique Athletes (Not freaks but could be unique players)
Adrian McPherson, QB, Florida St.
Vincent Jackson, WR, Northern Colorado

I would not be mad if the redskins traded down in the late first round or early 2nd round and drafted Matt Jones. He could be used at TE and WR. This would be the most debated pick in years but if we had one of the freaks I would take Jones. 6'7 Pass catchers who runs a 4.3 and can play WR, TE, and trick plays at QB does not come around often

:Padawan:
i dont think it will happen,but trading down a couple of times in the first round would be idea for us,getting extra picks where as we could take a chance on jones. i have never seen him play,but would love to see him a redskin.

[Jimreaper007]

IMO

The redskins cannot afford to waste picks on freaks. We need fundementally sound football players.

The best complete football players that may be available at #9 or by trading down are:

1. Rolle
2. Clayton
3. Rogers
4. Miller

[danny's stogie]

Where did this sudden obsession with Merriman come from?

[2Cooley]

Where did this sudden obsession with Merriman come from?


his numbers at the combine

[akhhorus]

There are only a few freaks in the draft. A player that is an absolute rare gem and unique at there position skill wise or physically. We struck gold with a freak player last year we should look at one again.

Freaks
Shawne Merriman, DE, Maryland
Matt Jones, WR, Arkansas

Unique Athletes (Not freaks but could be unique players)
Adrian McPherson, QB, Florida St.
Vincent Jackson, WR, Northern Colorado

I would not be mad if the redskins traded down in the late first round or early 2nd round and drafted Matt Jones. He could be used at TE and WR. This would be the most debated pick in years but if we had one of the freaks I would take Jones. 6'7 Pass catchers who runs a 4.3 and can play WR, TE, and trick plays at QB does not come around often

:Padawan:

The problem with your list is this: Merriman is a good prospect, but not worth the 9. Jones is moving to a position he's never played, but he's interesting. Mcpherson is a criminal who has only played well in the AFL and Vincent Jackson is a freak who hasnt played well against real competition.

[danny's stogie]

his numbers at the combine

Exactly why this sudden infatuation is absurd.

[akhhorus]

Exactly why this sudden infatuation is absurd.

Right after the CFB season, Merriman was a mid second rounder projected--now because he's gains 30 lbs, he's a top 10 pick? I dont get it.

[2Cooley]

I'm at the point where i just dont care who we draft as long as it is not curry or justin miller

[danny's stogie]

Right after the CFB season, Merriman was a mid second rounder projected--now because he's gains 30 lbs, he's a top 10 pick? I dont get it.

I guarantee that everyone who suddenly wants to draft Merriman didn't even know his name 2 weeks ago.

[akhhorus]

I guarantee that everyone who suddenly wants to draft Merriman didn't even know his name 2 weeks ago.

This just in from Pro Football Talk:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

MERRIMAN'S STOCK RISING?


*** ****


We're hearing rumblings that some teams are looking to trade into the top ten -- and as high as the top five -- of the draft for the purposes of selecting Maryland defensive end/linebacker Shawne Merriman.


*** ****


Again, however, the assessment of Merriman (and any other player, for that matter) is an entirely subjective issue.*** **** In response to rumors that his stock is rising, we asked a personnel exec about Merriman, and received the following assessment:

"Interesting kid.*** **** [He] does some things you like on tape but [is] inconsistent.*** **** [He] had a poor position workout in this opinion.*** **** [He] looked out of shape, constantly winded, had to take a lot of breaks.*** **** [He[ ran and jumped well but positionally looked average, [with] no burst or quickness.

"Teams worked him as a 'backer and he looked stiff and too heavy.*** **** To me, you have to figure out where he’ll play.*** **** When you watch the tape, you think he’s a backer.*** **** During the workout, he looked like an end. . . .*** **** It won’t surprise me if someone falls in love because he’s a pretty girl, but I’d be scared to pick him because he has lapses on tape where he has very little production."*** ****

[Kanman21]

I've watched Merriman the last two years while at Maryland and I noticed that he can definatley be a top-flight player, the talent is there. However, his tweener status and the fact that he just put on 25lbs more might slow him up a bit and could be one of those wonderful "workout warriors" that teams get burned by. I would not mind drafting him at 9, if and only if the big two WRs or Rolle and Pac Man are all gone, since those are positions that we need more so than DE. If thats the case, I woudlnt mind if they got Merriman or Heath Miller.

[warpaint]

I guarantee that everyone who suddenly wants to draft Merriman didn't even know his name 2 weeks ago.
well i liked merriman couple of months ago, when he was at 246 pounds,also think at that time he was projected as a top 20 player

[warpaint]

I guarantee that everyone who suddenly wants to draft Merriman didn't even know his name 2 weeks ago.
well take a look at some of the old mock drafts back in jan. below is one i pasted for you
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Mock Draft



Oklahoma's Antonio Perkins finished the season strong and has moved into the first round.







1 San Francisco 49ers Antrel Rolle CB Miami Florida
2 Miami Dolphins Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
3 Cleveland Browns Aaron Rodgers QB California
4 Chicago Bears Mike Williams WR Southern Cal
5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Cedric Benson RB Texas
6 Tennessee Titans Alex Barron OT Florida State
7 Oakland Raiders Derrick Johnson OB Texas
8 Arizona Cardinals Alex Smith QB Utah
9 Washington Redskins Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
10 Detroit Lions Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
11 Dallas Cowboys Dan Cody DE Oklahoma
12 San Diego(from New York Giants) Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
13 Houston Texans Thomas Davis FS Georgia
14 Carolina Panthers Jammal Brown OT Oklahoma
15 Kansas City Chiefs David Pollack DE Georgia
16 New Orleans Saints Shawne Merriman OB Maryland
17 Cincinnati Bengals Adam Jones CB West Virginia
18 Minnesota Vikings Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State
19 St. Louis Rams Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
20 Dallas Cowboys(from Buffalo) Brandon Browner CB Oregon State
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Marlin Jackson CB Michigan
22 Baltimore Ravens Chris Henry WR West Virginia
23 Seattle Seahawks Carnell Williams RB Auburn
24 Green Bay Packers Justin Miller CB Clemson
25 Denver Broncos Heath Miller TE Virginia
26 New York Jets Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
27 Atlanta Falcons Michael Roos OT E. Washington
28 San Diego Chargers Shaun Cody DL Southern Cal
29 Indianapolis Colts Corey Webster CB Louisiana State
30 Pittsburgh Steelers Antonio Perkins CB Oklahoma
31 Philadelphia Eagles Vernand Morency RB Oklahoma State
32 New England Patriots Brodney Pool DS Oklahoma

[akhhorus]

well take a look at some of the old mock drafts back in jan. below is one i pasted for you

Mock Draft

1 San Francisco 49ers Antrel Rolle CB Miami Florida
2 Miami Dolphins Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
3 Cleveland Browns Aaron Rodgers QB California
4 Chicago Bears Mike Williams WR Southern Cal
5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Cedric Benson RB Texas
6 Tennessee Titans Alex Barron OT Florida State
7 Oakland Raiders Derrick Johnson OB Texas
8 Arizona Cardinals Alex Smith QB Utah
9 Washington Redskins Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
10 Detroit Lions Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
11 Dallas Cowboys Dan Cody DE Oklahoma
12 San Diego(from New York Giants) Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
13 Houston Texans Thomas Davis FS Georgia
14 Carolina Panthers Jammal Brown OT Oklahoma
15 Kansas City Chiefs David Pollack DE Georgia
16 New Orleans Saints Shawne Merriman OB Maryland
17 Cincinnati Bengals Adam Jones CB West Virginia
18 Minnesota Vikings Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State
19 St. Louis Rams Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
20 Dallas Cowboys(from Buffalo) Brandon Browner CB Oregon State
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Marlin Jackson CB Michigan
22 Baltimore Ravens Chris Henry WR West Virginia
23 Seattle Seahawks Carnell Williams RB Auburn
24 Green Bay Packers Justin Miller CB Clemson
25 Denver Broncos Heath Miller TE Virginia
26 New York Jets Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
27 Atlanta Falcons Michael Roos OT E. Washington
28 San Diego Chargers Shaun Cody DL Southern Cal
29 Indianapolis Colts Corey Webster CB Louisiana State
30 Pittsburgh Steelers Antonio Perkins CB Oklahoma
31 Philadelphia Eagles Vernand Morency RB Oklahoma State
32 New England Patriots Brodney Pool DS Oklahoma

GBN and Nfldraft countdown had Merriman is low as the third round in January. As did the HUddle report and quite a few others.

Re-read this mock and see how ridiculous it is. Rolle going #1? Michael Roos, a 5th rounder at best going in the late first? Perkins and Morency, both late first day picks going this high?

Also, next time you cut and paste something, be sure to kick out the page of stuff that is irrelevant. Makes it harder to read.

[danny's stogie]

well take a look at some of the old mock drafts back in jan. below is one i pasted for you
Navigation




1 San Francisco 49ers Antrel Rolle CB Miami Florida
2 Miami Dolphins Ronnie Brown RB Auburn
3 Cleveland Browns Aaron Rodgers QB California
4 Chicago Bears Mike Williams WR Southern Cal
5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Cedric Benson RB Texas
6 Tennessee Titans Alex Barron OT Florida State
7 Oakland Raiders Derrick Johnson OB Texas
8 Arizona Cardinals Alex Smith QB Utah
9 Washington Redskins Braylon Edwards WR Michigan
10 Detroit Lions Erasmus James DE Wisconsin
11 Dallas Cowboys Dan Cody DE Oklahoma
12 San Diego(from New York Giants) Troy Williamson WR South Carolina
13 Houston Texans Thomas Davis FS Georgia
14 Carolina Panthers Jammal Brown OT Oklahoma
15 Kansas City Chiefs David Pollack DE Georgia
16 New Orleans Saints Shawne Merriman OB Maryland
17 Cincinnati Bengals Adam Jones CB West Virginia
18 Minnesota Vikings Marcus Spears DE Louisiana State
19 St. Louis Rams Carlos Rogers CB Auburn
20 Dallas Cowboys(from Buffalo) Brandon Browner CB Oregon State
21 Jacksonville Jaguars Marlin Jackson CB Michigan
22 Baltimore Ravens Chris Henry WR West Virginia
23 Seattle Seahawks Carnell Williams RB Auburn
24 Green Bay Packers Justin Miller CB Clemson
25 Denver Broncos Heath Miller TE Virginia
26 New York Jets Mark Clayton WR Oklahoma
27 Atlanta Falcons Michael Roos OT E. Washington
28 San Diego Chargers Shaun Cody DL Southern Cal
29 Indianapolis Colts Corey Webster CB Louisiana State
30 Pittsburgh Steelers Antonio Perkins CB Oklahoma
31 Philadelphia Eagles Vernand Morency RB Oklahoma State
32 New England Patriots Brodney Pool DS Oklahoma

Thats besides the point...all of a sudden there is a huge influx of people on this board wanting to draft Merriman. This was not the case several weeks ago. And so what if this totally messed up mock draft (Rolle going 1st overall) has Merriman in the first round, the fact is that Merriman's supposedly great combine sparked a lot of interest in him. Thats what makes me think no one knew his name until the draft hype machine started talking about him "shooting up the draft boards".

[danny's stogie]

Oh and BTW, Akh is a much faster typer than I am.

[warpaint]

GBN and Nfldraft countdown had Merriman is low as the third round in January. As did the HUddle report and quite a few others.

Re-read this mock and see how ridiculous it is. Rolle going #1? Michael Roos, a 5th rounder at best going in the late first? Perkins and Morency, both late first day picks going this high?

Also, next time you cut and paste something, be sure to kick out the page of stuff that is irrelevant. Makes it harder to read.
10/4 on kick out the page will do , main purpose of my post was to address that the other poster had said no one else had heard of merriman .

[akhhorus]

10/4 on kick out the page will do , main purpose of my post was to address that the other poster had said no one else had heard of merriman .

Yes, but most mocks at that time had Merriman as far from a top prospect.

[Kanman21]

I think his stock started to rise in general because everybody out there feels he would be a perfect 3-4 player. With all the teams using 3-4, that type of player becomes a higher priority and people will reach.

Oh yeah, and that mock draft looks ridiculous.

[akhhorus]

I think his stock started to rise in general because everybody out there feels he would be a perfect 3-4 player. With all the teams using 3-4, that type of player becomes a higher priority and people will reach.

Oh yeah, and that mock draft looks ridiculous.

He should have stayed at 240-255 and played LB in a 3-4, but he's too heavy for that now. And I wonder if he's entering the NFL without a position.

[Gibbs4Life]

merriman is gifted and could be a very good player, but he is definitely not classified as a freak. Kearse, peppers, vick, sean taylor. Those guys can be classified as freaks. But a guy whose never started at his projected position i dont think can be called a freak. Except for matt jones, who is more of a combination of skills, size and spead can classify him as a freak. But merriman is not extremely fast, hasnt had a ton of sacks, Hasnt really dominated at his position. I will say i think he has alot of potential and could be a great end someday, but he is definitely not a freak.

[BurgundyNGold]

If I'm not mistaken, Merriman was being projected to go as high as 11 to Dallass before the combine. He "came out of nowhere" because he was an underclassman who wasn't expected to declare and did so late in the game. His combine numbers didn't hurt him -- and they may have given him a boost -- but hardly more than it did for Troy Williamson or Ronnie Brown.

[Kanman21]

He should have stayed at 240-255 and played LB in a 3-4, but he's too heavy for that now. And I wonder if he's entering the NFL without a position.


yeah that definatley seems to be the case so far. He probably put on that weight so he could have a position. He would have been better off had he stayed at 250 and played OLB for a 3-4 team rather than try and be a DE on a 4-3 team and he may get knocked around a lot (a la Jamal Reynolds). He also hasn't had much or any experience really playing with a hand in the ground on every down, and he's a bit big now to be on a 4-3 d-line I think.

[BurgundyNGold]

Thats besides the point...all of a sudden there is a huge influx of people on this board wanting to draft Merriman. This was not the case several weeks ago. And so what if this totally messed up mock draft (Rolle going 1st overall) has Merriman in the first round, the fact is that Merriman's supposedly great combine sparked a lot of interest in him. Thats what makes me think no one knew his name until the draft hype machine started talking about him "shooting up the draft boards".
Perhaps people are just reevaluating team needs. That's not so wrong is it? I mean, I might not think that we should take a DE at 9, but to categorically deny that we need a pass rushing DE is to ignore the fact that we do not have a pass rushing DE. Besides, why would the FO have pursued CB if they didn't think he could give them pressure off the edge?

[BurgundyNGold]

yeah that definatley seems to be the case so far. He probably put on that weight so he could have a position. He would have been better off had he stayed at 250 and played OLB for a 3-4 team rather than try and be a DE on a 4-3 team and he may get knocked around a lot (a la Jamal Reynolds). He also hasn't had much or any experience really playing with a hand in the ground on every down, and he's a bit big now to be on a 4-3 d-line I think.
As I understand it, the guy runs a 4.6/40 at 270lbs. I don't think he'll have any more of a problem at DE than Dwight Freeny.

[akhhorus]

As I understand it, the guy runs a 4.6/40 at 270lbs. I don't think he'll have any more of a problem at DE than Dwight Freeny.

i dont buy that 40 time at the UMD workout, a ton of maryland players were running real fast times. Uncluding Dlinemen. Probably 4.8 is more likley for him.

[Kanman21]

As I understand it, the guy runs a 4.6/40 at 270lbs. I don't think he'll have any more of a problem at DE than Dwight Freeny.

well my real concern is not as much is physical size, but the fact that he never really ever played a DE in a 4-3 so he wouldnt know how to use his physical abilities. Also he's never played a down of football at 270lbs and those 25lbs of extra weight, no matter how good the weight is, can drastically effect the way a player plays. Thats my concern with him.

[Redskinmayhem]

I like Merriman and yes some of that I can attribute to the draft hype machine. Someone will take a flyer on him in the middle of the first round and and he will be a very good player. A freak? Maybe, most likely not, but he will be a very good NFL player.

[REDMAN]

I would love to have Merriman, I think he will be an explosive player.

[redskifreak]

hate to say this ...i really do but heath miller i think would make the most impact this year and as well fill a gap for us that is sorely needed!

touchdowns on offense is what we need and from what i see ol ...qb...rb...wr...are all taken and a te is all thats left!


RAZ the Redskifreak <------- watching for a lightning strike coming my way

[akhhorus]

hate to say this ...i really do but heath miller i think would make the most impact this year and as well fill a gap for us that is sorely needed!

touchdowns on offense is what we need and from what i see ol ...qb...rb...wr...are all taken and a te is all thats left!


RAZ the Redskifreak <------- watching for a lightning strike coming my way

If he aint healthy, he aint going 9, or until the late first.

[Fackler Flash]

The # 1 thing I want in a d-lineman (or any position) is effort. I'm big on Pollack because he is a great effort player as well as talented. The NFL guy quoted worries me because to me he questioned Merrimans effort.

I watched Jones a lot being in SEC country, and he could be an outstanding player, but I think that even the 3rd round is too early to take him. You would basically be wasting a pick to train him to play WR for 3 years, and then have to fight the big bucks someone will offer him as a Free Agent, because of his emerging potential/skills . Outside of baseball, I don't believe in taking projects in the draft, and if you want an example look at Eric Crouch, or some of the recent defensive ends who become good pass rushers towards the end of their third year, and then sign as a free agent elsewhere (like N.D. Kalu, and Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila). And Matt Jones is not tight end material, I think by the time he bulks up, he would lose his speed & quickness. I might draft him, but not on day one.

Edit: I'll stick by it because I typed it, but I just read a couple of articles that say Jones will go in at least the 2nd because of his athletic ability. I'm just scared of projects.

[danny's stogie]

Perhaps people are just reevaluating team needs. That's not so wrong is it? I mean, I might not think that we should take a DE at 9, but to categorically deny that we need a pass rushing DE is to ignore the fact that we do not have a pass rushing DE. Besides, why would the FO have pursued CB if they didn't think he could give them pressure off the edge?

You can't compare the Brown situation to possibly taking Merriman with the #9 pick. Offering a one year contract to a guy who is pretty much a bust shows how low on the priority list a "pass rushing DE" is. Besides that...if Brown lived up to his potential he wouldn't be a situational pass rusher, he has the skill to play solid against the run and the pass. If the FO felt the need to pursue a pass rushing DE they would have done it by now.

[skins111111]

lets get back to Matt Jones- is he the next Sammy Baugh or what (joking)
but I would like some more info on him...........who was the versitile player last year or the year before (he played about 5 different positions on his college team) that was drafted in the early middle of the 1st round? (I think he's a LB now).................point being he should have been drafted much earlier than he was..........these versitile athletic players are gold.

[whitskins]

lets get back to Matt Jones- is he the next Sammy Baugh or what (joking)
but I would like some more info on him...........who was the versitile player last year or the year before (he played about 5 different positions on his college team) that was drafted in the early middle of the 1st round? (I think he's a LB now).................point being he should have been drafted much earlier than he was..........these versitile athletic players are gold.

I don't know if I'd call these types of players gold. Jones is a project at whatever position he plays in the NFL, most likely WR, and could be a great player, but he will take time to develop. He could go either way right now.

[skins111111]

I don't know if I'd call these types of players gold. Jones is a project at whatever position he plays in the NFL, most likely WR, and could be a great player, but he will take time to develop. He could go either way right now.

I was talkin players like Sammy and Urlacher (9th pick in 2000 draft) as being gold......is Matt Jones in that catagory? probably not but I want to know more in case he is close.........there are more of these type players

Brian Urlacher-COLLEGE: Versatile player for New Mexico (1996-99) where he played OLB and FS on defense, WR on offense, and returned kickoffs and punts ... Two-year starter who finished career 3rd on school's all-time charts with 442 tackles ... Added 3 INTs, 11 sacks and 11 forced fumbles ... Averaged 18.8 yards on 5 kickoff returns and 15.1 yards on 13 punt returns ... Of his 7 catches, 6 went for TDs ... As a senior, earned first-team All-America selection by Walter Camp, Football Writers Association of America and Associated Press; second-team choice by The Sporting News and Football News ... All-Mountain Conference first-team and Player-of-the-Year choice ... Among the 3 finalists for the Jim Thorpe Award, given to the top DB in college football ... First-team All-Mountain West selection as a junior when he started every game at FS and led the entire nation with a school-record 178 tackles ... Majored in criminology.

[Jimreaper007]

Freaks rarely have the football fundementals that they need otherwise the league would be full of freaks. Instead it is dominated by solid tacticians and students of the game who may not be the best athlete but they get the job done.

For my money...give me the solid football player over the freaks

[ImmortalDragon]

Randy Moss studies for hours on end, when hes not on the field, hes studying like a little school girl.

[akhhorus]

Randy Moss studies for hours on end, when hes not on the field, hes studying like a little school girl.

Ok, the last few days, your posts have been completely bizarre. Whats going on?

[theskins89]

i dont know much about Matt Jones but have seen Shawn Merriman play and he is nasty.

[theskins89]

what we have now:
Arrington=freak
Taylor=freak
Portis=(can be) freak
Bowen= freak(early last year)

[Jero]

Like i've said before-i wouldn't touch McPherson with a 10 foot pole, and i don't think JG would either.

[skins4life24]

lets hope many of the GMs think matt jones would be a risk cause he has never played WR so he will drop a little lower and we can get him in the middle of the second (after a trade down in the first of cource)

[Warrior 007]

I heard matt jones could play some tight end at his size. There are advantages and disadvantages for that move. Advantage: He would be to fast for a linebacker and too big for a CB to cover. Disadvantage: He would be to small to block some tacklers. I personally think he could play tight end if he put on more weight.

[OCSkinzFan]

I heard matt jones could play some tight end at his size. There are advantages and disadvantages for that move. Advantage: He would be to fast for a linebacker and too big for a CB to cover. Disadvantage: He would be to small to block some tacklers. I personally think he could play tight end if he put on more weight.
No quarterback in the history of planet football has EVER acquired even a remote ability to block. Except for Brian Mitchell, he was a psychopath that they let hand off.

[colkurtz]

We don't need any more freaks than what we have. We need solid players at every position.

At this point we really need to trade down and get more picks. A good CB, TE and DE [in that order] would be about right to fill our biggest needs.

[GWBlitzST]

If he can catch as well as advertised, I would take him in the third in a heartbeat (if he drops that low). A guy that tall, fast, and willing is a great addition for any team, especially one with such a glaring need for a tall WR threat. I want to see some incorporation of the patented Henry Ellard stretching over the sideline to catch a first down that only he could get to while falling with two toes still in play. I am still on the MW bandwagon, but if we can't get him i think Jones would be a great fit if they haven't completely decided what to do with McCants yet.

[OCSkinzFan]

We don't need any more freaks than what we have. We need solid players at every position.

At this point we really need to trade down and get more picks. A good CB, TE and DE [in that order] would be about right to fill our biggest needs.
We can do that without trading down though.

[Jimreaper007]

Where did this sudden obsession with Merriman come from?


The home grown hype machine would be the most direct answer.

[skinswin]

Merriman will have time to develop while he's behind Wynn and Daniels. If we start him off slow I'm sure he'll turn into a great pass rusher for us.


This is exactly the problem. You don't take a guy at # 9 who has to "sit on the bench". :rolleyes:

At # 9, you take a guy who can start this year at some time. You take a guy who has the measurables. You don't gamble at # 9. Merriman is a nice guy but I'm sorry but I don't want to "take a chance" on a guy at # 9.

If Rolle is there at # 9, we need to take him and move on. The DE's in this draft are not really that impressive. You can get a guy with just about decent value at the DE position in the second round.(provided we obtain a 2nd round pick from someone)

If we don't stay at # 9 (and that is my personal preference) then we need to trade down, pick up a 2nd rounder and go from there.

You take Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams and Johnson off the board at the top and this draft really isn't that great.

[Booser]

yeah, merriman scares me because he was a one hit wonder - and let's be honest, he didn't exactly dominate at the college level. he is a workout warrior just like you see every year shooting up the draft boards. i have trouble stomaching him at #9... besides, he is a much better fit for a 3-4 defense anyway (but of course i defer to Mr Greg Williams on that one).

[Jimreaper007]

- Never played a down at 272 pounds

- Did not have a distinguished career at Maryland.

- No one has a clue how this kid is going to play and high picks are expected to produce immediately except for QB's in certain situations.

I hope Dallas gets Merriman (that would be our return gift for Norv Turner)

:D

[cnhnyy]

If we do not want Merriman, I hope we can made a trade and select him for some other team other than Dallass. He is the perfect fit for the girls. The other three starters of girls are Ellis, Ferguson and Glover. All three are solid and good against run. Merriman can be the tweener all he wants as long as he has the speed to rush the QBs. Ellis-Glover-Ferguson-Merriman is pretty nasty if you ask me.

[danny's stogie]

If we do not want Merriman, I hope we can made a trade and select him for some other team other than Dallass. He is the perfect fit for the girls. The other three starters of girls are Ellis, Ferguson and Glover. All three are solid and good against run. Merriman can be the tweener all he wants as long as he has the speed to rush the QBs. Ellis-Glover-Ferguson-Merriman is pretty nasty if you ask me.

I doubt parcells would draft Merriman...he seems to want to win now and will therefore draft a player who is more ready to step in and contribute immediately.

[cnhnyy]

I doubt parcells would draft Merriman...he seems to want to win now and will therefore draft a player who is more ready to step in and contribute immediately.

But who is more ready than Merriman in this draft? Cowgirls got one sack out of Marcus Wiley last year so they need a DE in the worst way (draft or trade).

[akhhorus]

But who is more ready than Merriman in this draft? Cowgirls got one sack out of Marcus Wiley last year so they need a DE in the worst way (draft or trade).

Spears and Pollack are much more polished than Merriman.

[skins4life24]

Spears and Pollack are much more polished than Merriman.
not to mention James and Cody

[ShaggySkins]

not to mention James and Cody

I wouldn't touch Cody though, I was really big on him going into the draft but now hearing about his Bi-Polar disorder and weight problems I think he's become a much bigger gamble.

[COUNCILMAN]

Thats fine and all but Erasmus James is probably the best pure pass rusher in the draft.

And why is Merriman a "tweener" at 275 pounds? How many linebackers weigh 275. Bruce Smith played at 275. Dwight Freeney is less than 270. How and why is Merriman a "tweener"????

[akhhorus]

I wouldn't touch Cody though, I was really big on him going into the draft but now hearing about his Bi-Polar disorder and weight problems I think he's become a much bigger gamble.

The last few DLmen with BiPolar didnt end their careers so well...

[whitskins]

The last few DLmen with BiPolar didnt end their careers so well...

Who was that Vikings lineman who tried to cut his own throat? Underwood? Man that guy's story was rough, I wonder what happened to him...

[akhhorus]

Who was that Vikings lineman who tried to cut his own throat? Underwood? Man that guy's story was rough, I wonder what happened to him...

Severe Bi Polar disorder. Probably with Psychotic features. Same with Alonzo Spellman. I have Bi Polar disorder(nowhere near as bad); It sucks.

[ShaggySkins]

Who was that Vikings lineman who tried to cut his own throat? Underwood? Man that guy's story was rough, I wonder what happened to him...

I'm not positive. He tried to make a comeback with the Dolphins but he had another episode and I haven't heard from him since.

[ShaggySkins]

Severe Bi Polar disorder. Probably with Psychotic features. Same with Alonzo Spellman.

Don't forget Barrett Robins also suffered with it as well

[akhhorus]

Don't forget Barrett Robins also suffered with it as well

Yep.

[danny's stogie]

I wouldn't touch Cody though, I was really big on him going into the draft but now hearing about his Bi-Polar disorder and weight problems I think he's become a much bigger gamble.

yeah...I wouldn't touch a player with Bi-polar disorder. I went out with a girl senior year of high school who had it and lets just say I learned my lesson.

[ConradCountry]

Right after the CFB season, Merriman was a mid second rounder projected--now because he's gains 30 lbs, he's a top 10 pick? I dont get it.

He gained 30lbs. and did not lose any of his athletic ability that is why he ahs moved up.

There was 1 question about him after the CFB season and that was would he be able to add the size needed to play DE and he proved that he could. He is the best DE in the draft.

[ConradCountry]

Roth would be my next pick he is a freak I don't know how anyone can play that intense is beyond me.

[Warrior 007]

I think we trade down to the late first round and draft the freak...... at WR, Matt Jones, and take the second or third we get and take a CB. 6'6 runs a 4.2 nuff said.

:Padawan:

[redwolf1218]

I think we trade down to the late first round and draft the freak...... at WR, Matt Jones, and take the second or third we get and take a CB. 6'6 runs a 4.2 nuff said.

:Padawan:
i just read an article about him.
link:
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/draft05/columns/story?columnist=mortensen_chris&id=2025109

pretty impressive. here are his numbers:
Height: 6-6¼
Weight: 242
40 time (hand-timed): 4.37 and 4.39
40 time (electronic): 4.40
Vertical jump: 39.5 inches
Standing broad jump: 10 feet, 9 inches

[BtwnDaTackles]

I love the way you think!!!!! Our defense wasnt successful because we had great players at their position our defesne was unbelievable because we had DT'S who could play DE we had a saftey w/ the speed of a DB the hips of a corner and the size and strength of a line backer. We want freaks on Defense we want guys who you can't just limit to their position. When Off. Coor. prepare for the skins i want them to avoid certain areas on the field because the talent level is just to high to risk a drive.