Lenny P....a new level of scumbagness

[jonesy]

From ESPN.com today

"Most of the legion of critics (including some who draw a paycheck from the same company I do) who spent much of the week taking shots at our story on the Washington Redskins' interest in Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell articulated two similar, salient points: First, teams don't typically make such trade-up deals, like the one in which the Redskins acquired the 25th spot in the first round from Denver, until later in the week. Second, teams certainly don't complete that kind of deal to target one player, because there is uncertainty about whether that prospect will be available.

Having done this job now for 27 years, I'm pretty aware of that. But here's the point that the critics are missing: We're talking about the Washington Redskins here. With such a dysfunctional franchise, convention does not apply. Everyone seems willing, probably because of the presence of the sainted Joe Gibbs, to believe that Washington has straightened out its act. Yet with the exception of the brilliant hiring of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who cobbled together the NFL's third-ranked unit in 2004 despite playing with a lot of spare parts, what has the current regime done that has been all that successful? Hey, that trade for quarterback Mark Brunell -- a guy we panned dozens of times in this space before the Redskins acquired him -- worked out well, didn't it?

Maybe we'll be wrong and maybe Washington will, indeed use that No. 25 spot as part of a package to move up in the round for someone like Michigan wide receiver Braylon Edwards. After all, one of their coaches told a friend this week they are poised to do "something big." Heck, maybe they'll keep the choice and still pass on Campbell.

But a couple points here of our own: If the Redskins weren't so keen on Campbell, why were they so upset when we made public their interest in him? Why did vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato (a guy to whom I haven't spoken in 15 months by the way) essentially conduct an internal witch hunt trying to ferret out the source of what he assumed was an organizational leak? And has anyone yet heard Gibbs, the man who fueled the Campbell fixation, deny interest in the quarterback? The Redskins love the perception that they know how to wheel and deal. But mostly they like to squeal when someone uncovers their strategy. The fact is, whether the critics want to buy the truth or not, we stumbled onto a story that, for once, the Redskins didn't want out. They were way too ham-handed in their execution, and far too chatty with some of their fraternity brothers who reside outside the walls of Redskins Park. Going on the offensive to try to cover their tracks once the story was out of the bag -- having some of their buddies try to discredit it -- was handled in typically clumsy fashion by a franchise that's suffered through a pretty miserable offseason.
Per usual, Redskins quarterback Patrick Ramsey, one of the league's classiest players, said and did all the right things after the story about Jason Campbell was reported. But you've got to wonder if, privately, Ramsey isn't banging his head off a wall somewhere.

Ramsey probably could have escaped Washington last spring, after the Redskins traded for Mark Brunell, had he fought a little harder to get out. Owner Dan Snyder probably would have dealt him away -- perhaps to Miami before the Dolphins completed the deal for A.J. Feeley -- had Ramsey gone out of character and become the squeaky wheel. If you don't believe it, consider for a second how Snyder reacted to Laveranues Coles this offseason, when the disgruntled wide receiver wanted to get traded. But Ramsey permitted himself to buy into coach Joe Gibbs' sales pitch about how he would have an opportunity to compete with Brunell for the starting job.

Unfortunately for Ramsey, he is repeating the mistake, investing in Gibbs' rhetoric. The truth is, there still are people inside Redskins Park who feel Ramsey isn't the team's best quarterback."




Wow Lenny you are a miserable scumbag aren't you?

[Santheb]

Hey, when you can't think of anything else to write about, just go ahead and bash the Redskins. It always works.

[BandWagon]

Sounds a lot like Steve Czaban, hanging their "miserable" offseason rhetoric on one, and only one mistake....Brunell. It's getting to be an old, tired, and pretty weak position.

[GreenspanDan]

blah blah blah, at least now his blatant anti-redskins bias is out in the open. he's basically saying "I WOULD report objectively, but come on, it's the redskins, i HAVE to bash them".

and god, am i sick of hearing about Brunell, as if that was the only move we made last off-season. what about all the free agents we got that had great seasons, like shawn springs, cornelious griffin, and marcus washington?

[ttr77]

Sorry guys, whether we like it or not, the Redskins have become the laughingstock of the league, and until the winning starts, it won't change.

[Davey]

Well there are two possibilities right now. Either the Redskins screwed up big and let on that they wanted Campbell, or they're throwing up an excellent smoke screen. If Campbell's shooting up draft boards the way some think he is then there's a very good chance someone will try to jump the Redskins, leaving one more player they might want available for them.

I want to think it's a smoke screen and I know 99% of the people here do to, but it is a real possibility that they blew this one. I'd be a lot more willing to believe they did if someone could explain to me why they traded for the pick before the draft, I can't see why they'd do that if Campbell was the only guy they were interested in.

[BandWagon]

Sorry guys, whether we like it or not, the Redskins have become the laughingstock of the league, and until the winning starts, it won't change.

Boy you're right, well at least the laughing of the media, huh? Well let's all hope they are men enough to step forward and admit they were completely wrong and acted in a thoroughly unprofessional journalistic way when we start winning again. It's embarrassing to me, and I'm not a writer. Boy is there going to be huge troughs of crow served!

[RedskinsDave]

Sorry guys, whether we like it or not, the Redskins have become the laughingstock of the league, and until the winning starts, it won't change.

Yep and Gibbs can talk all he wants about stability but that Coles fiasco is still hanging out there.

Of course, Lenny makes in a weekly thing to write an article trashing the Skins so that makes him less reliable.

[JohnnyPark]

I'm getting a sick feeling in my stomach that we're drafting Jason Campbell at 25. Too many people have made too big a stink about this trade. Don Vito is not the only one saying we're targeting him. I heard on the draft special last night, Snyder was boasting about Campbell all the way back at the Owners meeting in March. We will officially be the laughing stock of the NFL if this story is true.

[dj_stouty]

Sorry guys, whether we like it or not, the Redskins have become the laughingstock of the league, and until the winning starts, it won't change.

I agree. I have no problem with articles like this. Unfortuately, most of what he wrote is 100% accurate.

[CNYSkinFan]

I am calling for an hR Pastabelly embargo.

All rumors stating from a LP article will be ignored.

All threads relying on Lenny articles should be deleted

Those posting Lenny comments will be ostracized and called names by Akhgourous till they pee themselves.

[CNYSkinFan]

It is one thing to take opn the Skins, but a hall of fame coach who will be talked about long after Len chokes on his cheese fries? I hope I never see him on the street.

[Booser]

remember though, that he has the luxury of being the sole side of the argument. no one is going "point-counterpoint" with ole' Len, so he can safely pick away at the Skins over and over again with impunity.

[gravesUKRedskin]

.....'I told you the Skins were gonna be great'. When that happens we should bombard his e-mail with copies of his articles with all the negatives in them.

OK maybe not, but it would be fun.


:Peace:

[Redskinfan28]

I agree. I have no problem with articles like this. Unfortuately, most of what he wrote is 100% accurate.

I agree and disagree. I have no problem when people criticize the Redskins and their offseason moves, but this is another level. This article takes personal shots at Gibbs and the Redskins front office and basically calls them stupid.

A credible journalist recites the facts and offers an opinion, but does not directly attack a franchise.

[redwolf1218]

The way to fix this is to just not take Campbell if he's there when we pick at 25. what is more curious to me is the comment that we are "poised to do something big".

[ZackMills]

:awesomewo . This story is 100% acccurate. I love how all you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing. Yet, you made excuses for him for his shoddy coaching this year, by saying, "he hasn't coached in 12 years, let him adjust." In a few weeks, after we have the worst draft in franchise history, you will be saying the same thing. I am ashamed to be a Washington Redskins fan.

[CarMike]

I agree. I have no problem with articles like this. Unfortuately, most of what he wrote is 100% accurate.

I don't have a problem with what he says. Its how many damn times he's going to say it.

We get the picture DV.

[The Skinsinator]

The article and the media in general do not show an ounce of respect for our beloved hall of fame coach, a man who has never failed at anything. In a way, I feel kinda bad for Gibbs with all the bashing that has been going on. It really pisses me off when he is criticized because of the great success has brought to our team. A lot of people dont like the Yankees because of their spending habits however they respect them because typically they win. However with Snyders previous spending escapades and his outspokeness about it, this has set the tone for the negativity around our team. I respect everyone on this board for standing by our beloved Skins through all this hell the last few years. We will turn it around and the media can find some way to undermine it.

[CarMike]

:awesomewo . This story is 100% acccurate. I love how all you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing. Yet, you made excuses for him for his shoddy coaching this year, by saying, "he hasn't coached in 12 years, let him adjust." In a few weeks, after we have the worst draft in franchise history, you will be saying the same thing. I am ashamed to be a Washington Redskins fan.

Well well well. Zacky made his way back to tell us how stupid we are for having confidence in our coach.

What do you mean "we"? You're not trying to pass yourself as a Redskin fan are you?

If you're so ashamed, go root for your real team. The Dallass Cowboys. Chump

[BIGSEF3]

blah blah blah, at least now his blatant anti-redskins bias is out in the open. he's basically saying "I WOULD report objectively, but come on, it's the redskins, i HAVE to bash them".

and god, am i sick of hearing about Brunell, as if that was the only move we made last off-season. what about all the free agents we got that had great seasons, like shawn springs, cornelious griffin, and marcus washington?

you call it anti-redskins b/c it points out flaws in our beloved franchise, but he is being objective. come on now. be honest. if the giants had taken bill parcells back out of retirement, he signed mark brunell to a huge contract, mark flopped, and the giants then went on to go 6-10, were dealing with allegations of fraudulently altering it star defenders contract, 2 supposed stars unwillingness to show up to camp, took a 10 million dollar cap hit to get rid of a wide receiver, just b/c he had some attitude problems, got a self-absorbed runt in exchange. continuously traded next years draft picks, and were considering stocking your major draft picks for the next 2 years on a arrogant wide receiver who has already bought a 140K bently.... YOU would feel he was reporting "objectively" on the giants. heck, the giants would be brunt of all your jokes b/c of this mess.

make no mistake, the redskins front office is a dysfunctional mess. you are mad b/c our beloved fanchise has NOT returned to its glory days, as we all hoped when gibbs came back. lenny p may be a fat bastard, but he is not "skins bashing." hes calling out the skins for being a mess. if there were another franchise as dysfunctional as ours, he would call them out for it, just the same.

[CarMike]

Pastabelly being objective? LMAO! What ever

[The Skinsinator]

:awesomewo . This story is 100% acccurate. I love how all you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing. Yet, you made excuses for him for his shoddy coaching this year, by saying, "he hasn't coached in 12 years, let him adjust." In a few weeks, after we have the worst draft in franchise history, you will be saying the same thing. I am ashamed to be a Washington Redskins fan.

Do you have any respect for a coach that has brought 3 super bowl rings to our team? Do you understand that? I dont believe you do. We dont need negative trolls like you here. If you keep bashing Gibbs and dont show him any respect you are:

a) not a skins fan (very likely)
b) very ignorant (also very likely)

Or perhaps both. Go take your ignorance elsewhere.

[ZackMills]

Well well well. Zacky made his way back to tell us how stupid we are for having confidence in our coach.

What do you mean "we"? You're not trying to pass yourself as a Redskin fan are you?

If you're so ashamed, go root for your real team. The Dallass Cowboys. Chump

I am angry because we have become the laughing stock of the league...I can't fathom why you people are not pissed

[CowboyKilla]

This guy and his posse of absolute hatred are dispicable.

[CarMike]

Do you have any respect for a coach that has brought 3 super bowl rings to our team? Do you understand that? I dont believe you do. We dont need negative trolls like you here. If you keep bashing Gibbs and dont show him any respect you are:

a) not a skins fan (very likely)
b) very ignorant (also very likely)

Or perhaps both. Go take your ignorance elsewhere.

Well said Skinsinator. Millsy here likes to show up every now and then to tell us of our ignorance. Then she disappears for a couple of months until he finds more ammo to bring back here.

[dj_stouty]

I am angry because we have become the laughing stock of the league...I can't fathom why you people are not pissed

Do you realize you have a picture of Jon Stamos as your avitar? :garcia:

[CarMike]

I am angry because we have become the laughing stock of the league...I can't fathom why you people are not pissed

No, you're the laughing stock.

Gibbs will right the ship. I don't want to see you on the ship once he does either.

[The Skinsinator]

I am angry because we have become the laughing stock of the league...I can't fathom why you people are not pissed

Be angry. Be pissed. But, for gods sake, support your team and your hall of fame coach through good and bad. These are what real fans do! We all dont sit in front of our computers all day for our health. We do it because we love this franchise and want to see us win. Go try being an Eagle fan and then you can tell people you have never won a super bowl. Football and sports in general are played to win championships. We have 3. This does mean something whether you realize it or not. There are a handful of teams who have 0. Gibbs is doing all he can to get us 4 and Im not going to let your ignorance attempt to hurt that.

[Redskinfan28]

:This story is 100% acccurate. I love how all you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing. Yet, you made excuses for him for his shoddy coaching this year, by saying, "he hasn't coached in 12 years, let him adjust." In a few weeks, after we have the worst draft in franchise history, you will be saying the same thing. I am ashamed to be a Washington Redskins fan.

I'm sure you can call yourself a "fan" after this post.

[Redskinfan28]

Do you realize you have a picture of Jon Stamos as your avitar? :garcia:


:lol1:

Post of the Year!

[smoak]

If only Lenny spent as much time exercising as he does Skins bashing.... He'd be Mr. Olympia.

[BurgundyNGold]

I am calling for an hR Pastabelly embargo.

All rumors stating from a LP article will be ignored.

All threads relying on Lenny articles should be deleted

Those posting Lenny comments will be ostracized and called names by Akhgourous till they pee themselves.
I second the motion. Right after I call Pastabelly a douche.

[palladia]

make no mistake, the redskins front office is a dysfunctional mess. you are mad b/c our beloved fanchise has NOT returned to its glory days, as we all hoped when gibbs came back. lenny p may be a fat bastard, but he is not "skins bashing." hes calling out the skins for being a mess. if there were another franchise as dysfunctional as ours, he would call them out for it, just the same.

It's a matter of perspectives. I see a owner and front office that is willing to take chances and try unconventional ideas, all for the purpose of fielding a winning team. The problem, of course, is that when the ideas don't seem to work, you get fried by the media.

If you want to be different and not just follow the pack, then you need to be thick-skinned. We might be the laughing stock right now, but winning will fix everything.

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=460975#
stick fight

[warpaint]

Well there are two possibilities right now. Either the Redskins screwed up big and let on that they wanted Campbell, or they're throwing up an excellent smoke screen. If Campbell's shooting up draft boards the way some think he is then there's a very good chance someone will try to jump the Redskins, leaving one more player they might want available for them.

I want to think it's a smoke screen and I know 99% of the people here do to, but it is a real possibility that they blew this one. I'd be a lot more willing to believe they did if someone could explain to me why they traded for the pick before the draft, I can't see why they'd do that if Campbell was the only guy they were interested in.
well i think they did the trade when they did was because of two reasons (1) they have fallen in love with either heath miller or matt jones . (2) denver was shopping the pick if they hadnt of taken it when offered someone else would have, redskins are thiking at least one of these players will be there at 25 , this was their only chance of getting one or the other excluding using the 9 pick. just my thoughts

[PA Skins Girl]

I almost feel sorry for Pastabelly at this point. What a sad, pathetic man.

[CNYSkinFan]

:awesomewo . This story is 100% acccurate. I love how all you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing. Yet, you made excuses for him for his shoddy coaching this year, by saying, "he hasn't coached in 12 years, let him adjust." In a few weeks, after we have the worst draft in franchise history, you will be saying the same thing. I am ashamed to be a Washington Redskins fan.

You sir are an idiot.

I never attack people personally on here but how can you call yourself a fan if you are ashamed of the best coach the Redskins have ever known.

I say go your way the Redskin nation is better off without you.

[BurgundyNGold]

make no mistake, the redskins front office is a dysfunctional mess. you are mad b/c our beloved fanchise has NOT returned to its glory days, as we all hoped when gibbs came back. lenny p may be a fat bastard, but he is not "skins bashing." hes calling out the skins for being a mess. if there were another franchise as dysfunctional as ours, he would call them out for it, just the same.
Do you even READ Pastabelly's articles? That's all he does. Even when there's no story, he makes one up just to have a shovel to deliver his sh*t (see the Samari Rolle "scoop").

He even subconsciously let us know why we get the bashing. He mentioned -- for no apparent reason -- that he had not talked to Vinny in 15 months. Aside from a jilted ex-lover [insert disgusting mental picture here], who keeps track of that crap? I'll tell you who. A tiny little man who's got a grudge, simply because we won't talk to him.

May he burn in hell.

[BurgundyNGold]

I almost feel sorry for Pastabelly at this point. What a sad, pathetic man.
Almost. But not until he burns in hell.

[CNYSkinFan]

May he burn in hell.

Wow.

Now that is calling down the thunder.

[BurgundyNGold]

Wow.

Now that is calling down the thunder.
The Nuclear Option :D

[The Skinsinator]

The Nuclear Option :D

LMAO.

[ryflan47]

I still get a hearty laugh when someone calls him "pastabelly".

[The Skinsinator]

I still get a hearty laugh when someone calls him "pastabelly".

What else would we refer to him as?

[cmdlost29]

It matters not what we do with that pick, get Campbell or not, the answer to this matter is simple....

1) Stop reacting to idiots like this, who gives a flying xxxx what they think? By reacting like Gibbs and company did this week it fuels the fire for these leeches. Any one ever have a bully target them? The more you give a reaction to these people the more aggressive they are. Time to IGNORE this crap, doing nothing wont help anything. Reacting to them is worse. Giving into what they want is the worst thing to do.

2) Win some ball games. When we win they wont stop hating on us, they will say "look how they bought those victories" and all that crap. But by winning games we go from jokes to successful

3) The hatred for the Redskins is shared by many people, live with it. All the teams we've taken players from in the past, all the times we won the SuperBowl and other teams didn't, on and on and on. The front office, the fans, and the players need to learn to live with this fact. When we learn that we will never be Americas team, we will never be a popular team outside the roots of DC, we will forever be a team that is loved and hated by most. Love us or leave us, theres reasons why we had the most fans at every game. We will forever be that fat bastards target and he's not the only one.

[BurgundyNGold]

What else would we refer to him as?
I think Akh refererred to his "douchebaggery" at some point. Of course this is not a noun, but I believe it captures his essence just so. ;)

[Ohiofan]

All of you who can't stand the hear, get out of the kitchen. skins have been bad, laughable, for over a decade. St Joe came back and the laughing, justifiably, continued. Yes, Gregg Williams, who was a Gibbs selection did a great job. The offense, stunk. And a lot of it had to do with the design. Adn the execution.

All that needs to be done to stop the ridicule from the media is for us to perform competently. And other than the signing of Rabach, which was a great move, there has not been much competence shown so far. And please, all of you Pollyanna's, Gibbs does not have any proven record of great draft day moves. His last big move was to trade up to get ---- Desmond Howard. And we all know how that turned out. Indeed, it could be argued that Gibbs' idea to trade up for Howard could be viewed as the beginning of the end of the the Skins' greatest era.

So yes, this team, including Gibbs, will continue to be criticized, and deservedly so, until they win on the field. People should be used to it by now. Pasquarelli, at least so far, has been right. Now let's see Gibbs prove him wrong. And if that does not happen, that is Gibb's fault, not Pasquarelli's.

[ryflan47]

What else would we refer to him as?
Fatty... Lardbelly... ****head.... whatever we want. :lol1:

[RoanokeSkin]

I think Akh refererred to his "douchebaggery" at some point. Of course this is not a noun, but I believe it captures his essence just so. ;)

That is an easy fix. Just call him a douche bag.

[Ohiofan]

Excuse, me but the "best" coach the Redksins ever had was VINCE LOMBARDI.

[Ohiofan]

Unfortunatley, his career as Redkins coach was sadly cut short by stomach cancer.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

:awesomewo . This story is 100% acccurate. I love how all you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing. Yet, you made excuses for him for his shoddy coaching this year, by saying, "he hasn't coached in 12 years, let him adjust." In a few weeks, after we have the worst draft in franchise history, you will be saying the same thing. I am ashamed to be a Washington Redskins fan.
good lord man, why dont you just jump ship already?! you are a walking bag of negativity. you act like we were world beaters with your boy spurrier as coach. newsflash: we sucked with him too! if there is one coach who deserves the benefit of the doubt, it should be gibbs.

to me, it doesnt matter if what he wrote is true or not, the guy goes out of our way to trash the skins like we are only team in the league. does he even cover any other team? he makes me...http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/puke.gif

[ryflan47]

Unfortunatley, his career as Redkins coach was sadly cut short by stomach cancer.

How many games did he coach?

[MoeRedskins]

Excuse, me but the "best" coach the Redksins ever had was VINCE LOMBARDI.

Best football coach yes, but the best coach in Redskins History was Gibbs. I really can't see how you can deny that, #2 would have to be George Allen, then it would come Lombardi. Unfortunately through no fault of his own, he will always be remembered as the Packers #1 guy.

Now, as far as Lenny P. goes, I am hoping he would just stop writing about the Skins and move on elsewhere. It seems that we are his #1 subject of discussion, and i don't know if he is right about us and the FO makes moves to spite him, or if he just makes accusations and hope one sticks, but one thing is for sure, the FO in Ashburn needs to stop worrying about what the media is saying. The Yankees have been getting killed in the media for years and they just don't care any more, granted it is cause they win, but you can buy champioinships in baseball, you can't in football. We learn that the hard way (sometimes I don't think we have learned that at all). I want to defend the FO and their moves, but i don't agree with them so I can't. Its difficult cause I want the bashing to stop, but I know that all of the bashing is pretty much on and almost deserved. This organization has done nothing to change their philosphy in the past two years. They send out contridicatory statements, which IMO is not a big deal at all, then run around scrambling trying to get everybody on the same page, or at least make it look that way. The only positive I can see so far is that Joe and brought Danny into the light about how to treat the fans a little better. Improvements have been made there. I make no predictions or statements come sunday, but if you hear a loud yell of agony after the skins pick, it could be me.

[BurgundyNGold]

The hatred for the Redskins is shared by many people, live with it.
We don't have a problem with what other people think. We hate the fact that this 320x scale Hershey's kiss -- who is supposed to be a somewhat objective reporter -- is constantly setting loose volley after volley of blatantly deragatory statements about our owner, coaches, front office and players. I'm surprised their wives haven't felt the gaze of his verbal turret and the impact of his obvious vendetta against the franchise. With the possible exception of the Cleveland Browns, who else as he beaten up on so?

You said that many people hate the Redskins. I have two questions regarding that:

First, don't you think it is just a little bit odd that 10 years ago, before the voice of Vermicelli raised his jaded voice up above the masses, hardly anybody outside of Dallass, New York or Philly hated the Redskins? Don't you think that this jack*ss had at least a little to do with this? That's why I hate the man. That and the dishonorable reporting. BTW, notice how he's always saying "we" when making these assertions. Pasta, I understand that you and you're massive ego might actually fold space and time around you, but that does not constitute a "we" condition.

Secondly, don't just as many people hate Dallass? The whole league outside of Dallass does, and they don't need Pastabelly to tell them to hate them. Why doesn't he beat up on Dallass or the revered Tuna so? Gibbs has 3 rings in 4 trips. That's better than the Tuna, last time I checked, so you'd better step back and recognize, Pasta.

Oh, and why do folks hate Dallass? Well, it started because they had the audacity to call themselves "America's Team". You do that and pretty much everyone else in America who has a team hates you.

Anyway, enough with the rant. I don't care what other people think. Pastabelly is an irresponsible, narcissitic *ssclown.

PS: May he burn in hell.

[BurgundyNGold]

All of you who can't stand the hear, get out of the kitchen. skins have been bad, laughable, for over a decade. St Joe came back and the laughing, justifiably, continued. Yes, Gregg Williams, who was a Gibbs selection did a great job. The offense, stunk. And a lot of it had to do with the design. Adn the execution.

All that needs to be done to stop the ridicule from the media is for us to perform competently. And other than the signing of Rabach, which was a great move, there has not been much competence shown so far. And please, all of you Pollyanna's, Gibbs does not have any proven record of great draft day moves. His last big move was to trade up to get ---- Desmond Howard. And we all know how that turned out. Indeed, it could be argued that Gibbs' idea to trade up for Howard could be viewed as the beginning of the end of the the Skins' greatest era.

So yes, this team, including Gibbs, will continue to be criticized, and deservedly so, until they win on the field. People should be used to it by now. Pasquarelli, at least so far, has been right. Now let's see Gibbs prove him wrong. And if that does not happen, that is Gibb's fault, not Pasquarelli's.
Alright, Len. That'll be enough. Football teams have 5 year plans. Our problem with you, Len, is that you didn't even give "St. Joe", as you disgracefully wrote, a full season before ripping him. And now, you're calling him incompetent along with seemingly everyone except Gregg Williams and the janitor down at Redskins Park.

Don't give me the "Win and it'll all go away" rhetoric, Len. We all know that you live to rip Danny and the boys. Winning won't change that.

[CarMike]

The Nuclear Option :D

http://www.netdisaster.com/go.php?mode=bomb&destruction=massive&url=http://members.aol.com/carmike07/2LEN.JPG

[BurgundyNGold]

http://www.netdisaster.com/go.php?mode=bomb&destruction=massive&url=http://members.aol.com/carmike07/2LEN.JPG
LOL!!! [Guiness commercial voice] Brilliant!

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

http://www.netdisaster.com/go.php?mode=bomb&destruction=massive&url=http://members.aol.com/carmike07/2LEN.JPG
excellent! :beer:

[CarMike]

LOL!!! [Guiness commercial voice] Brilliant!

I thought you'd like that B&G.

[ZackMills]

You sir are an idiot.

I never attack people personally on here but how can you call yourself a fan if you are ashamed of the best coach the Redskins have ever known.

I say go your way the Redskin nation is better off without you.
That's garbage that you personally attack me for my own opinion.

[redwolf1218]

Snyder is such a genious. we are always in the news like this, and he's the youngest owner of the richest sports franchise in the world. reporters all over the country are scrambling to write about us. our players are almost all household names all over the football world. now if we can just get on with the draft and add the key pieces we need to convert all this into wins...

[The Skinsinator]

Snyder is such a genious. we are always in the news like this, and he's the youngest owner of the richest sports franchise in the world. reporters all over the country are scrambling to write about us. our players are almost all household names all over the football world. now if we can just get on with the draft and add the key pieces we need to convert all this into wins...

Interesting way to look at it. However, he doesnt have what he wants the most:

Redskins success on the field not just in his bank account.

I think he cares more about this than even his beloved money.

[CarMike]

http://darthvader.ytmnd.com/

[BurgundyNGold]

Snyder is such a genious. we are always in the news like this, and he's the youngest owner of the richest sports franchise in the world. reporters all over the country are scrambling to write about us. our players are almost all household names all over the football world. now if we can just get on with the draft and add the key pieces we need to convert all this into wins...
So... we are supposed to be protraye as the Three Stooges of sports?

[OCSkinzFan]

That's garbage that you personally attack me for my own opinion.
Not a punk like you. You automatically have respect on this board until you act like an idiot. You crossed the line. Go hide your "shame" in dallass or san fran or with some other talentless team that doesn't get ripped by pastagutty when they go 6-10. But I’m sure they don’t need “fans” (gag-barf) like you.

You are an idiot, recognize, and go.

[Ohiofan]

Lombardi coached one season, 68 or 69 they blend together now. We went 9-7. But it was like our first winning season in what seemed to be eons. They were not a good team, but through the shear will of his personality, he turned them around. I have always loved those SB years with Gibbs. But that year w/ Lombardi was also magical. Just the way he turned losers into winners through his sheer will to win and his refusal to accpet anything less than 100 % from every player on every play. My eyes were watery when he died.

[MoeRedskins]

Not a punk like you. You automatically have respect on this board until you act like an idiot. You crossed the line. Go hide your "shame" in dallass or san fran or with some other talentless team that doesn't get ripped by pastagutty when they go 6-10. But I’m sure they don’t need “fans” (gag-barf) like you.

You are an idiot, recognize, and go.

I have to say that is uncalled for, we are all fans here and we all have our highs and lows. I would rather have a fan that would questions things instead of one taking them the way they are and ripping people for opening up a little bit and questioning how things are going. You have crossed the line, IMO.

[BurgundyNGold]

That's garbage that you personally attack me for my own opinion.
When you said you were "ashamed to be a Redskins fan", all bets were off from that point. Coming to this board an talking like that? You're lucky you didn't get a blanket party.

[OCSkinzFan]

Lombardi coached one season, 68 or 69 they blend together now. We went 9-7. But it was like our first winning season in what seemed to be eons. They were not a good team, but through the shear will of his personality, he turned them around. I have always loved those SB years with Gibbs. But that year w/ Lombardi was also magical. Just the way he turned losers into winners through his sheer will to win and his refusal to accpet anything less than 100 % from every player on every play. My eyes were watery when he died.
So that makes him better than Gibbs???

[Skinzaholic]

It is only the Redskins that generate 70% of pre draft and off season discussion after a 6-10 season. (Anyone here much from Detroit yet?).

That is why I love this team.

[ryflan47]

Chill out guys, before the mods lock this thread.
Remember we're all here for the same reason.

[BurgundyNGold]

That's garbage that you personally attack me for my own opinion.
To follow up, I once questioned Sean Taylor before we drafted him, and I got put on a list. That's right -- a LIST! You'd be wise not to speak of such things in here. I had to wear a scarlet ST for like 4 months. It was horrible.

[MoeRedskins]

When you said you were "ashamed to be a Redskins fan", all bets were off from that point. Coming to this board an talking like that? You're lucky you didn't get a blanket party.

Wow, so now we are going to beat people up if they bend a little bit in their fandom. People need to calm down a little bit, we can't threat people for posting their opinions. If that is the case then I to am ashamad to be a fan if this is how we act.

[ryflan47]

:awesomewo . This story is 100% acccurate. I love how all you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing. Yet, you made excuses for him for his shoddy coaching this year, by saying, "he hasn't coached in 12 years, let him adjust." In a few weeks, after we have the worst draft in franchise history, you will be saying the same thing. I am ashamed to be a Washington Redskins fan.

I'm not saying anything. Just re-read what you said and think about it.

[Minnesota Mike]

So when I read things like what Len wrote about Joe, I have to ask myself a couple of questions.

How many Super Bowls has Joe Gibbs won?
How many did Len win?

How many NFL games has Joe won?
Lenny?

And that pretty much lets me know who I should beleive in on these matters.

[BurgundyNGold]

Wow, so now we are going to beat people up if they bend a little bit in their fandom. People need to calm down a little bit, we can't threat people for posting their opinions. If that is the case then I to am ashamad to be a fan if this is how we act.
I was being facetious. Check out my follow up post.

[Ohiofan]

OCskinz fan, you are behaving like a four year old.

[The Skinsinator]

Wow, so now we are going to beat people up if they bend a little bit in their fandom. People need to calm down a little bit, we can't threat people for posting their opinions. If that is the case then I to am ashamad to be a fan if this is how we act.

We are not beating anybody up however he shows no respect to our coach who has won us 3 superbowls. I believe his respective criticism is justified. Your diplomatic attitude may have something to do with your feelings towards our owner. Synder is not the problem anymore.

[OCSkinzFan]

I have to say that is uncalled for, we are all fans here and we all have our highs and lows. I would rather have a fan that would questions things instead of one taking them the way they are and ripping people for opening up a little bit and questioning how things are going. You have crossed the line, IMO.
This story is 100% acccurate. I love how all you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing. Yet, you made excuses for him for his shoddy coaching this year, by saying, "he hasn't coached in 12 years, let him adjust." In a few weeks, after we have the worst draft in franchise history, you will be saying the same thing. I am ashamed to be a Washington Redskins fan.

#1 He used the "you people" pronoun; so he was addressing the whole board in a condescending fashion
#2 "you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing"
But he thinks we don't know, and he's smarter.
#3 He sees into the future to let us know that we will have the "worst draft in franchise history." That's like telling kids no Santa on Christmas Eve. Even if it's not true (there is a Santa) saying there's not is clearly intended to be inflammatory to "you people."
#4 He is ashamed of being something that he is obviously not, which doesn't seem smart to me

Nothing in this post leads me to conclude anything other than what I and others have said.

[Dexter72]

:awesomewo . This story is 100% acccurate. I love how all you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing. Yet, you made excuses for him for his shoddy coaching this year, by saying, "he hasn't coached in 12 years, let him adjust." In a few weeks, after we have the worst draft in franchise history, you will be saying the same thing. I am ashamed to be a Washington Redskins fan.

At least give the players they draft a chance to put a uniform on before you refer to them collectively as the worst draft in franchise history.

[OCSkinzFan]

OCskinz fan, you are behaving like a four year old.
Out of the mouths of babes...

[MoeRedskins]

You see what Lenny is doing, he is tearing us apart at the seam. The more we argue the more HE wins. We must unite and only then can we defeat him, and if we close down all the Old County Buffets.

[BurgundyNGold]

You see what Lenny is doing, he is tearing us apart at the seam. The more we argue the more HE wins. We must unite and only then can we defeat him, and if we close down all the Old County Buffets.
We are not the ones arguing. Nothing brings us together more that our universal hatred of Pastabelly... except for a few dissenters. And your plan does not account for the dastardly scope of our foe... there would still be plenty of Cracker Barrels. :D

[Dexter72]

I enjoyed Pasta's column. He had to sulk, pout, and roll around in his own filth because people like Kiper and John Clayton said the story sounded bogus..."I've been covering football for 27 years...blah, blah, blah" Jack@-- can't own up and say "I stand by my story", "I trust my sources", "I'm hearing different reports"...NO! he's now hearing that the Skins might move up, and instead of reporting that AND focusing on that, he has to blame the Skins for his screw up.

I thought it was interesting that he felt the need to mention he hasn't spoken to Vinny in 15 months. I'm assuming he mentioned this because PFT always says that Vinny is believed to be one of his sources....hmmm, 15 months. What happened 15 months ago? Gibbs returned! Convienent. If Joe really wants/wanted Campbell, Vinny will get his walking papers on Monday.

[OCSkinzFan]

You see what Lenny is doing, he is tearing us apart at the seam. The more we argue the more HE wins. We must unite and only then can we defeat him, and if we close down all the Old County Buffets.
It's just the pressure of the impending day.

We need to remember the reason for the season. You see, in a little town called Bethle...er... wrong one.
But I'm putting out cookies for SantaGibbs tonight just in case.

Since I'm four and all...

Gee wiz, four is un-inhibiting; I should be four more often. My back feels great, but my fingers are so short it's hard to type.

[Ohiofan]

i agree with Dexter, that it appeared that Pasq. was really more defending himself from other commentators who said his story was stupid than affirmatively trying to further bash the skins.

[GWBlitzST]

The bottom line is this: Coach Gibbs was out of the league for twelve years. I don't care. He could have been out of the league one year, but like in any coach's first year, Gibbs had to make major adjustments. Especially since Spurrier left us high and dry with little cap space, unproven players, no direction, and need of another coaching overhaul. Gibbs worked overtime to get his coaches in place and the best personnel available which led to a top 3 D, a vastly improved special teams, and provided a franchise running back. I mean the man has been back 1 year, and while his offense didn't perform as well as anyone hoped, was missing its captain RT and a bust in Mark Brunell. The tools are there for the offense now, with just a few places that could be significantly upgraded in this draft. You cant judge a coach after 1 year at any organization, especially when the team was designed to run the opposite of a Joe Gibbs-style offense.

[jonesy]

I enjoyed Pasta's column. He had to sulk, pout, and roll around in his own filth because people like Kiper and John Clayton said the story sounded bogus..."I've been covering football for 27 years...blah, blah, blah" Jack@-- can't own up and say "I stand by my story", "I trust my sources", "I'm hearing different reports"...NO! he's now hearing that the Skins might move up, and instead of reporting that AND focusing on that, he has to blame the Skins for his screw up.

I thought it was interesting that he felt the need to mention he hasn't spoken to Vinny in 15 months. I'm assuming he mentioned this because PFT always says that Vinny is believed to be one of his sources....hmmm, 15 months. What happened 15 months ago? Gibbs returned! Convienent. If Joe really wants/wanted Campbell, Vinny will get his walking papers on Monday.

good point Vinny is the f%^$%^@ing mole!!!!!!!

[BIGSEF3]

Do you even READ Pastabelly's articles? That's all he does. Even when there's no story, he makes one up just to have a shovel to deliver his sh*t (see the Samari Rolle "scoop").

He even subconsciously let us know why we get the bashing. He mentioned -- for no apparent reason -- that he had not talked to Vinny in 15 months. Aside from a jilted ex-lover [insert disgusting mental picture here], who keeps track of that crap? I'll tell you who. A tiny little man who's got a grudge, simply because we won't talk to him.

May he burn in hell.

actually i do read his, and pretty much everyone elses articles. the samari rolle thing COULD have been true. we dont know what was going on behind closed doors at that time. the numbers may have been off, but the idea we were making inquiries doesnt surprise me at all. but i wasnt speaking about all his articles. i was speaking about this one. and i am hardpressed to find anything in that article that is not true. we all know its true. i think some people here just like to live in a dream world where the redskins are an organization instituted by God or something. It aint perfect, people, and right now, it aint very pretty.

i think theres another thread around here about "why are redskins fans so touchy" or "why cant redskins fans take criticism" criticism is not a bad thing. criticism can help someone see their flaws and work to IMPROVE on them. i think certain people in the redskins organizition, would do well to atleast consider what some of the "negative press" is saying. and i hope they do so before tommorrow at 12PM.

[BurgundyNGold]

i agree with Dexter, that it appeared that Pasq. was really more defending himself from other commentators who said his story was stupid than affirmatively trying to further bash the skins.

New pot shots, just by my count...

But here's the point that the critics are missing: We're talking about the Washington Redskins here. With such a dysfunctional franchise, convention does not apply.

Dismissed what all of his detractors have said by simply by calling Redskins dysfunctional.
0 + 1 = 1

... with the exception of the brilliant hiring of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who cobbled together the NFL's third-ranked unit in 2004 despite playing with a lot of spare parts, what has the current regime done that has been all that successful?

Passive aggressive comment against Gibbs and the boys. Building up Gregg Williams in the press, perhaps he'll be hired away from us making for an even bigger target for him to shoot at next year.
1 + 1 = 2

Hey, that trade for quarterback Mark Brunell -- a guy we panned dozens of times in this space before the Redskins acquired him -- worked out well, didn't it?

You can't miss the sarcasm glistening off of these words.
2 + 1 = 3

But mostly they like to squeal when someone uncovers their strategy.

Like a little girl? We got it, Pasta.
3 + 1 = 4

Going on the offensive to try to cover their tracks once the story was out of the bag -- having some of their buddies try to discredit it -- was handled in typically clumsy fashion by a franchise that's suffered through a pretty miserable offseason.

This is a particularly cunning two-fer. First, he notes that our FO's perceived efforts to quash the story were "clumsy", but then went on to assert that our offseason has been "miserable". By whose standards? We fans are quite pleased with how things have gone so far, or at least we're willing to keep an open mind
4 + 2 = 6

Ramsey probably could have escaped Washington last spring,

Escape? Escape?! Apparently, Ramsey is the DC variety of Snake Plissken from "Escape from New York".
6 + 1 = 7

Unfortunately for Ramsey, he is repeating the mistake, investing in Gibbs' rhetoric.

Another backhanded swipe at Gibbs, assuming that he is not true to his word. Rather, he employs "rhetoric" to sweet talk folks to keep them around.
7 + 1 = 8

If people can't see that his articles are little more than thinly veiled attempts to direct his disdain at our team, then they're simply not looking hard enough.

Ahem... May he burn in hell.

[Gibbs4Life]

what gets me is this fat sack of crap thinks hes so important. Like he cause the organization to go runing and scrambling to make up stuff. The truth is the redskins have a reason for what there doing, like mel kiper said, but no one knows what it is. especailly not fat ass pasqurelli. He got a hot tip and thinks its gospel and writes it out like its gold. Then everyone shoots it down because its obvioulsy not going to happen for several reasons, specifically the ones he puts in this article. But instead of retracting his stupid story for the false work it is, he comes up with a stupid bullshit reason like this. That our organization is so messed up it might be true. What kind of reasoning is that. He should be fired immediately and then taken to subway and forced to eat there for 2 years straight.

Post edited to stay within HR guidelines.

[BurgundyNGold]

i think theres another thread around here about "why are redskins fans so touchy" or "why cant redskins fans take criticism" criticism is not a bad thing. criticism can help someone see their flaws and work to IMPROVE on them. i think certain people in the redskins organizition, would do well to atleast consider what some of the "negative press" is saying. and i hope they do so before tommorrow at 12PM.
It's not about criticism. We can accept criticism, as we often critique ourselves. What is maddening, however is that opinionated beat [off] writers like Pastabelly continue to assault every asepect of our team in the national press, whether warranted or not. That is not criticism, that is hate. I do not listen to hate. To me, the only thing worse than hate are people who actually lend and credence to his hate by saying thisng like "it's not so bad" or "he's got a point". Hate has no point worthy of consideration.

MHBIH

[colkurtz]

1. Pasta-the-Hut on another one of his "I hate the Redskins" rants. The most neutral I've ever seen the guy was when he just didn't say anything bad about this franchise. With a person so unabashadly biased, how can you believe anything he says?

2. It easy to be a critic. Harder to be in the arena - just ask Mark Millon [Detroit].

3. ZackMills - why are you posting your pseudo-Redskins messages here? I've got to think you're a homer from another team. The Redskins had an excellent draft last year - three of the four [drafted] players started at least one game. Two of the players are well on the way to being bona-fide stars. How many teams did so well last season?

Now you predict a total disaster in our draft choices tommorrow? Based on what logic? Finally, you have an interesting avatar. Are you going to put on Mary Kate and Ashley next?

[HanburgerBum]

Sorry guys, whether we like it or not, the Redskins have become the laughingstock of the league, and until the winning starts, it won't change.


It pains me to agree with you, but I think the other teams do regard us "easy pickings". We always over-pay in a trade, and nobody would give us anything when we try to trade someone (the Gardner thing is getting embarrassing!).

[camasterton]

Just like the frontpage of the paper, the sports writing business is top heavy with liars, hacks and "vendettaratti"! I wonder where I have heard that "were the laughingstock" line before? Look left, you'll see it everyday in the funnypapers.

[Dexter72]

If people can't see that his articles are little more than thinly veiled attempts to direct his disdain at our team, then they're simply not looking hard enough.

2 things: 1) The Redskins are an elite sports franchise - they have the resources to compete every year. People love or hate elite teams...like the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Lakers, Red Sox, etc.

2) he's trying to play the blame game. The Redskins weren't discrete, with Gibbs walking around Auburn's campus, so most people know not to put too much on the fact that Gibbs was down there...but he apparently got suckered in...his report was done right after the trade happened; he may not have known that Gibbs was even at Auburn...maybe just heard from a source that they were working him out. So he bit and now he's wrong, and his only defense is (since he can't own up to it): The Skins are so mismanaged that they would walk around campus, inadvertently tipping people off.

[HanburgerBum]

Well there are two possibilities right now. Either the Redskins screwed up big and let on that they wanted Campbell, or they're throwing up an excellent smoke screen. If Campbell's shooting up draft boards the way some think he is then there's a very good chance someone will try to jump the Redskins, leaving one more player they might want available for them.

I want to think it's a smoke screen and I know 99% of the people here do to, but it is a real possibility that they blew this one. I'd be a lot more willing to believe they did if someone could explain to me why they traded for the pick before the draft, I can't see why they'd do that if Campbell was the only guy they were interested in.


In an interview of Cerrato on radio, he alluded to the fact that Denver had apparently told the Redskins that the price for the No. 25 pick may be higher if we waited until the draft.

It has been reported after the trade that Denver had been shopping that pick for weeks with no takers, because most teams regard this draft as a weak one. Just like the Portis deal, Denver bluffed us again. I would have told the Broncos to "shove it". We will make the trade when we are good and ready. If they could have gotten a better deal elsewhere, they would have taken it already). Has anybody in our FO ever played poker?

[HanburgerBum]

I am calling for an hR Pastabelly embargo.

All rumors stating from a LP article will be ignored.

All threads relying on Lenny articles should be deleted

Those posting Lenny comments will be ostracized and called names by Akhgourous till they pee themselves.


Do you really think censorship, or sticking our heads in the sand, will cure the Redskins problems? We should just remember LP's columns. If he is wrong enough, as a lot of us seem to think he is, he will soon become the laughingstock instead of us.

[BurgundyNGold]

2 things: 1) The Redskins are an elite sports franchise - they have the resources to compete every year. People love or hate elite teams...like the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Lakers, Red Sox, etc.
I understand that. My beef is not with the increased coverage we get or even if it is disproportionately negative. My problem is with Pastabelly's non-stop barrage of hate that he streams at us on every occasion.

2) he's trying to play the blame game. The Redskins weren't discrete, with Gibbs walking around Auburn's campus, so most people know not to put too much on the fact that Gibbs was down there...but he apparently got suckered in...his report was done right after the trade happened; he may not have known that Gibbs was even at Auburn...maybe just heard from a source that they were working him out. So he bit and now he's wrong, and his only defense is (since he can't own up to it): The Skins are so mismanaged that they would walk around campus, inadvertently tipping people off.
That's part of the game alright. It may all be just an elaborate rouse to visit Demarcus Ware, who lives in the same town. Maybe Pasta should've just said that.

[Curtisprc3]

:awesomewo . This story is 100% acccurate. I love how all you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing. Yet, you made excuses for him for his shoddy coaching this year, by saying, "he hasn't coached in 12 years, let him adjust." In a few weeks, after we have the worst draft in franchise history, you will be saying the same thing. I am ashamed to be a Washington Redskins fan.
Then don't be one!

[Curtisprc3]

you call it anti-redskins b/c it points out flaws in our beloved franchise, but he is being objective. come on now. be honest. if the giants had taken bill parcells back out of retirement, he signed mark brunell to a huge contract, mark flopped, and the giants then went on to go 6-10, were dealing with allegations of fraudulently altering it star defenders contract, 2 supposed stars unwillingness to show up to camp, took a 10 million dollar cap hit to get rid of a wide receiver, just b/c he had some attitude problems, got a self-absorbed runt in exchange. continuously traded next years draft picks, and were considering stocking your major draft picks for the next 2 years on a arrogant wide receiver who has already bought a 140K bently.... YOU would feel he was reporting "objectively" on the giants. heck, the giants would be brunt of all your jokes b/c of this mess.

make no mistake, the redskins front office is a dysfunctional mess. you are mad b/c our beloved fanchise has NOT returned to its glory days, as we all hoped when gibbs came back. lenny p may be a fat bastard, but he is not "skins bashing." hes calling out the skins for being a mess. if there were another franchise as dysfunctional as ours, he would call them out for it, just the same.
well my friend you basically hit it on the head. Bill Parcells brought in a 40 year old QB that took his team to a 6 - 10 record. Released the previous QB that had taken them to the playoffs. Released a HOF RB and signed a has been RB. Traded and got a cocky WR. All of this sounds just as bad if not worse than what you are describing we did, and are doing. Bottom line if your not down with the Burgundy and Gold get out of here. You don't belong. I love the SKINS through anything and everything. They don't don't need more people bashing them, they need real fans like me and others on this site to stick by them while they turn this thing around.

[Curtisprc3]

All of you who can't stand the hear, get out of the kitchen. skins have been bad, laughable, for over a decade. St Joe came back and the laughing, justifiably, continued. Yes, Gregg Williams, who was a Gibbs selection did a great job. The offense, stunk. And a lot of it had to do with the design. Adn the execution.

All that needs to be done to stop the ridicule from the media is for us to perform competently. And other than the signing of Rabach, which was a great move, there has not been much competence shown so far. And please, all of you Pollyanna's, Gibbs does not have any proven record of great draft day moves. His last big move was to trade up to get ---- Desmond Howard. And we all know how that turned out. Indeed, it could be argued that Gibbs' idea to trade up for Howard could be viewed as the beginning of the end of the the Skins' greatest era.

So yes, this team, including Gibbs, will continue to be criticized, and deservedly so, until they win on the field. People should be used to it by now. Pasquarelli, at least so far, has been right. Now let's see Gibbs prove him wrong. And if that does not happen, that is Gibb's fault, not Pasquarelli's.
you can go read my other 2 post to those jabroni's! Don't need you either. Shucks now we will only have 92,997 people (REAL SKINS FANS) at the stadium thanks to me. DARN!

[OCSkinzFan]

Then don't be one!
Never was

[redwolf1218]

Pasta has some sort of personal vendetta against the Redskins and Dan Snyder. anyone notice how he took the time to mention that he hasnt talked to Vinny Cerato in a long time? what did that have to do with anything?

Marty worked for ESPN, and stated that he would never be a coach for an owner like Snyder, then Snyder hired him. then Marty canned Vinny, who then went to work for ESPN. he did some stuff as some sort of analyst, and he got some camera time.

I dont think i've ever seen Pasta on camera, all he gets to do is write, and he writes tons of stuff about the skins. ive seen Mort, and Clayton, but never Pasta. those other guys dont write so much about the skins, not as much as Pasta.

Then Vinny gets re-hired by the richest sports franchise in the world, our Redskins. He's Snyder's right-hand man. Why does Pasta even mention that he hasnt talked to him? has he tried? is he upset about it? i suspect he has tried, but he's been blackballed, rightfully so. now Pasta is jealous.

why did he mention that he's been doing this for 27 years? to impress us with his experience? what he is really saying is, i'm the lowest man on the totem pole at ESPN, i never get on the air, even after all these years all i get to do is write, and i'm jealous because Vinny's got it made.

now all we need to do is start winning, and then when Pasta finally gets fired from ESPN, and takes his own life by overdose on fatback in a fit of jealous rage, that would be the perfect scenario.

[cmdlost29]

We don't have a problem with what other people think.

Actually I think that the Redskins faithful due to years of losing and disappointments have a complex towards anything negative written about the franchise. Don't believe me? Everytime there is any article written about our team that is negative it makes a new forum post, it is news here. This is not only for patasbelly, I see it from every news source out there. If we didn't care what other people think, why make a big deal at all about these ramblings in the first place?

We hate the fact that this 320x scale Hershey's kiss -- who is supposed to be a somewhat objective reporter -- is constantly setting loose volley after volley of blatantly deragatory statements about our owner, coaches, front office and players. With the possible exception of the Cleveland Browns, who else as he beaten up on so?

Don't know, I have learned to ignore ignorance when I see it, and everything that fat bastard says is ignorant to me. That is the point, ignore this punk and he losses power, continue to feed off it and we lose.

You said that many people hate the Redskins. I have two questions regarding that:

First, don't you think it is just a little bit odd that 10 years ago, before the voice of Vermicelli raised his jaded voice up above the masses, hardly anybody outside of Dallass, New York or Philly hated the Redskins? Don't you think that this jack*ss had at least a little to do with this? That's why I hate the man. That and the dishonorable reporting. BTW, notice how he's always saying "we" when making these assertions. Pasta, I understand that you and you're massive ego might actually fold space and time around you, but that does not constitute a "we" condition.

People have hated the Redskins everywhere I've gone. In 1993 I left the DC area and have not yet been other then for vacations back for good. I've lived on the east coast, west coast, hawaii, alaska, and other countries. Everywhere I go I've met Redskins fans and people that hated the Skins. I do not place any value in the idea that people hate the Skins because of some biased reporting done by people with hidden agendas. People hate teams for various reasons but mostly for the reasons I stated before.

Secondly, don't just as many people hate Dallass? The whole league outside of Dallass does, and they don't need Pastabelly to tell them to hate them. Why doesn't he beat up on Dallass or the revered Tuna so? Gibbs has 3 rings in 4 trips. That's better than the Tuna, last time I checked, so you'd better step back and recognize, Pasta.

Actually I've encountered far more Cowboys fans out there in the world then any other football franchise. It could very well be that they were Cowboys fans because of there dynasty in the 1990's but I would be willing to bet there are more Cowboy fans across the states then Skins fans.


Anyway, enough with the rant. I don't care what other people think. Pastabelly is an irresponsible, narcissitic *ssclown.

Yup agreed. Stop paying attention to the clown and he has no audiance to talk to and will go away.


May he burn in hell.

You might want to get that checked out dude, seems to me you take this to personal

[smoak]

:awesomewo . This story is 100% acccurate. I love how all you people think Gibbs knows what in the bloody heck he is doing. Yet, you made excuses for him for his shoddy coaching this year, by saying, "he hasn't coached in 12 years, let him adjust." In a few weeks, after we have the worst draft in franchise history, you will be saying the same thing. I am ashamed to be a Washington Redskins fan.

Then leave. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

[ZackMills]

I apologize. I am naturally bit of a pessimistic person, and seeing as how we haven't been playoff caliber in what seems like forever, I lash out at times. Though I do not feel your personal attacks on myself were justified, I thank those that attempted to back me up. I will try to think twice now before I post instead of going with my instincts.

[redwolf1218]

Pasta has some sort of personal vendetta against the Redskins and Dan Snyder. anyone notice how he took the time to mention that he hasnt talked to Vinny Cerato in a long time? what did that have to do with anything?

Marty worked for ESPN, and stated that he would never be a coach for an owner like Snyder, then Snyder hired him. then Marty canned Vinny, who then went to work for ESPN. he did some stuff as some sort of analyst, and he got some camera time.

I dont think i've ever seen Pasta on camera, all he gets to do is write, and he writes tons of stuff about the skins. ive seen Mort, and Clayton, but never Pasta. those other guys dont write so much about the skins, not as much as Pasta.

Then Vinny gets re-hired by the richest sports franchise in the world, our Redskins. He's Snyder's right-hand man. Why does Pasta even mention that he hasnt talked to him? has he tried? is he upset about it? i suspect he has tried, but he's been blackballed, rightfully so. now Pasta is jealous.

why did he mention that he's been doing this for 27 years? to impress us with his experience? what he is really saying is, i'm the lowest man on the totem pole at ESPN, i never get on the air, even after all these years all i get to do is write, and i'm jealous because Vinny's got it made.

now all we need to do is start winning, and then when Pasta finally gets fired from ESPN, and takes his own life by overdose on fatback in a fit of jealous rage, that would be the perfect scenario.
Pasta wishes he was Vinny. He wishes someone would notice him, so he gets noticed by writing crazy stuff about the Redskins. He wishes he had a job like Vinny for a rich guy like Dan.

[BurgundyNGold]

Actually I think that the Redskins faithful due to years of losing and disappointments have a complex towards anything negative written about the franchise. Don't believe me? Everytime there is any article written about our team that is negative it makes a new forum post, it is news here. This is not only for patasbelly, I see it from every news source out there. If we didn't care what other people think, why make a big deal at all about these ramblings in the first place?
It's the offseason.

Don't know, I have learned to ignore ignorance when I see it, and everything that fat bastard says is ignorant to me. That is the point, ignore this punk and he losses power, continue to feed off it and we lose.
It's the offseason.

People have hated the Redskins everywhere I've gone. In 1993 I left the DC area and have not yet been other then for vacations back for good. I've lived on the east coast, west coast, hawaii, alaska, and other countries. Everywhere I go I've met Redskins fans and people that hated the Skins. I do not place any value in the idea that people hate the Skins because of some biased reporting done by people with hidden agendas. People hate teams for various reasons but mostly for the reasons I stated before.
Ah, but do more people hate the Redskins because of biased reporting or is there biased reporting because these same people hate the Redskins? And I'm not paranoid if the paranoid MFs that are making me paranoid are really out there... making me paranoid.


Actually I've encountered far more Cowboys fans out there in the world then any other football franchise. It could very well be that they were Cowboys fans because of there dynasty in the 1990's but I would be willing to bet there are more Cowboy fans across the states then Skins fans.
Lately? This is the biggest bandwagon bunch of non-fans anywhere for anything.

You might want to get that checked out dude, seems to me you take this to personal
Just don't get on my bad side :D

[BurgundyNGold]

I dont think i've ever seen Pasta on camera...
They don't film in IMAX.

[colkurtz]

Pasta wishes he was Vinny. He wishes someone would notice him, so he gets noticed by writing crazy stuff about the Redskins. He wishes he had a job like Vinny for a rich guy like Dan.

Good analysis and update on the Pasta situation. I knew there was something personal about his continued vendetta. Bad blood to be sure.

I just wish the team would start winning to shut him up. It won't though - he's our Captain Ahab in the media.

[wbar3383]

Couple of things on my mind.

zackmills, your a downer man, way too depressing to read your stuff. Like Mr. negativity. Ive yet to read one of your posts that was constructive.

and....

andyman says not to believe everything thats written in the paper. take what you will from the statement. what we do know is andyman is a legit 100% inside source. too bad his last message didnt clarify further..

[RedskinRyan]

was this any more obvious than to write an article purely based on bashing the skins?

[BIGSEF3]

well my friend you basically hit it on the head. Bill Parcells brought in a 40 year old QB that took his team to a 6 - 10 record. Released the previous QB that had taken them to the playoffs. Released a HOF RB and signed a has been RB. Traded and got a cocky WR. All of this sounds just as bad if not worse than what you are describing we did, and are doing. Bottom line if your not down with the Burgundy and Gold get out of here. You don't belong. I love the SKINS through anything and everything. They don't don't need more people bashing them, they need real fans like me and others on this site to stick by them while they turn this thing around.

you hit the nail right on the head, as well, with the last thing you said.....

"they need real fans like me and others on this site to stick by them while they turn this thing around....."

we are fans. pastabelly is NOT A REDSKINS FAN. he is an OBJECTIVE SPORTS WRITER. he wrote an objective article. and you know what, it was a negative article b/c there is so much crap with our FO and the decision making.

you guys getting your panties in a tiff are all mad b/c pastabelly is not writing what a redskins FAN WANTS TO HEAR. he's writing the truth, without any of the sugarcoating that we use to cover over obviously bad decisions.

[rskinsfan10]

we are fans. pastabelly is NOT A REDSKINS FAN. he is an OBJECTIVE SPORTS WRITER.

WHAT??!! When did he become objective? Was he objective when he trashed the rehiring of Gibbs, well before he had even coached his first game last year? Was he objective when he threw a tantrum because whoever his mole is at Redskin Park shut him out on the fact that Snyder was deep into discussions with Gibbs to bring him back?

Man, you have got to be kidding me.....

[BIGSEF3]

It's not about criticism. We can accept criticism, as we often critique ourselves. What is maddening, however is that opinionated beat [off] writers like Pastabelly continue to assault every asepect of our team in the national press, whether warranted or not. That is not criticism, that is hate. I do not listen to hate. To me, the only thing worse than hate are people who actually lend and credence to his hate by saying thisng like "it's not so bad" or "he's got a point". Hate has no point worthy of consideration.

MHBIH

are you pastabellys alter ego? HATE? pastabelly has said nothing to indicate he hates anyone on the redskins, or the redskins themselves. heck, he said ramsey was one of the classiest players in the NFL. how would he know that if he didnt carefully observe the skins. he respects ramsey, and im sure he respects other skins players too.

the fact of the matter is, if the skins were such garbage on the field, if they FO didnt make so many consistantly bad decisions off the field, if there werent players willing to give money BACK to the skins, just to leave, if our halmark player wasnt accusing us of fraud, pastabelly would have nothing to write about. but the skins are giving him the amumition. they are doing bone-head, dumbass things left and right.

a FAN of the team makes excuses, stays loyal. a sportswriter just states the facts. sure his articles are negative. but i garauntee, if the skins ever start winning, make good front office decisions, he will be writing positive articles.

alot of people here are taking their own frustration and confusion and uncertainty about what the skins are doing (and will do) out on a guy thats reporting the facts without burgundyandgold glasses.

if there is anyone who needs to work on their hate, its people who hate pastabelly. whether you agree with what he says or not, he hasnt said anything hateful. unlike some other people here, wishing death upon a guy for telling a truth they didnt want to hear.

[BIGSEF3]

WHAT??!! When did he become objective? Was he objective when he trashed the rehiring of Gibbs, well before he had even coached his first game last year? Was he objective when he threw a tantrum because whoever his mole is at Redskin Park shut him out on the fact that Snyder was deep into discussions with Gibbs to bring him back?

Man, you have got to be kidding me.....

get me a quote on what you call "trashing the rehiring of gibbs"

get me a quote on throwing a "tantrum" over the supposed mole shutting him out.

i think you will find, there are no trashings and no tantrums. merely facts and opinions. we wont even get into the fact that gibbs hasnt done anything truly beneficial for the team in the matter of wins and losses YET. whether pastabelly is right or wrong (we all beleive he is wrong) is not the issue. the issue is he wrote an objective article and some here just dont like what they are reading. sometimes we add emotions to things we read that were never there.

[rskinsfan10]

get me a quote on what you call "trashing the rehiring of gibbs"

get me a quote on throwing a "tantrum" over the supposed mole shutting him out.

i think you will find, there are no trashings and no tantrums. merely facts and opinions. we wont even get into the fact that gibbs hasnt done anything truly beneficial for the team in the matter of wins and losses YET. whether pastabelly is right or wrong (we all beleive he is wrong) is not the issue. the issue is he wrote an objective article and some here just dont like what they are reading. sometimes we add emotions to things we read that were never there.

Get them yourself. You must have been in a hole last year when those articles were written. If you didn't read them, then don't act as though they don't exist. Those that read those articles know very well that he indeed did what I said, and I'm not adding any emotion to it. Calling it the way that I see/saw it. The question is, did you yourself even see them? If you didn't, then don't tell me that I'm adding emotion.

I guess Wilbon was simply acting on "emotion" when Pasquarelli dissed Gibbs, and he contemplated confronting him when he ws due to be at FedExFiled to cover a game. Yeah, the same Wilbon whom himself has been critical of Gibbs. Why would Wilbon get so heated over a Pasquarelli article if as you say it was an "objective" article?

[War Hogg]

I just dont understand why everyone allows these articles to work them up into a frenzy....Its not like our organization is all roses. Hell, the commentators on NLF network laugh at our offseason moves like our organization is a joke! If everyone here hates the guy why not just ban the posting of his articles and only allow writers that praise the Skins and the FO.

End of problem

[rskinsfan10]

I just dont understand why everyone allows these articles to work them up into a frenzy....Its not like our organization is all roses. Hell, the commentators on NLF network laugh at our offseason moves like our organization is a joke! If everyone here hates the guy why not just ban the posting of his articles and only allow writers that praise the Skins and the FO.

End of problem

Did you read somewhere in our guidelines that say that only positive articles must be posted?

[colkurtz]

Pasta as an objective writer? When? When has he ever written about the Redskins and said anything except how terrible they are? Sure, he writes with some truth. The main thrust of his articles on the Redskins are ALWAYS very negative.

The Redskins have been a mediocre team for a decade, as many of us have said. Still Lenny's continual and unending venom toward Danny Snyder, Gibbs and the organization in general is nothing short of pathetic.

[BurgundyNGold]

pastabelly is NOT A REDSKINS FAN. he is an OBJECTIVE SPORTS WRITER.
You can't be serious.

[War Hogg]

Did you read somewhere in our guidelines that say that only positive articles must be posted?

Negative..

My point is the 4 or 5 pages of hate that result after any writer scrutinizes the organization accomplish nothing. Nothing is debated, no conclusions are made and the only result is someone eventually saying that another memeber here must be a Dallas Fan. I understand this is an open forum so Im making a suggestion.

[rskinsfan10]

Negative..

My point is the 4 or 5 pages of hate that result after any writer scrutinizes the organization accomplish nothing. Nothing is debated, no conclusions are made and the only result is someone eventually saying that another memeber here must be a Dallas Fan. I understand this is an open forum so Im making a suggestion.

A bit over the top IMO. Safe to assume that you haven't read JoeDaSchmoe's latest article. I don't see 4-5 pages of hate as a result. If you find Pasquarelli's articles to be on point, as I'm pretty certain that you do because I can't recall any positive commentary from you in regards to the team, then that's fine. Those that see through Pasquarelli's BS are more then welcome to call him on it. As you say, it is an open forum, so they are open to criticize him.

[skins111111]

I imagine he will be very quiet by the end of January...........half thw fun of winning it all will be watching the slimy scumbag squirm :)

[BurgundyNGold]

are you pastabellys alter ego? HATE? pastabelly has said nothing to indicate he hates anyone on the redskins, or the redskins themselves.
Go back a few posts and see how I point out both his blatant and underhanded jabs at the Redskins.

heck, he said ramsey was one of the classiest players in the NFL. how would he know that if he didnt carefully observe the skins. he respects ramsey...
He also said that Ramsey could've "escaped" last year but he chose to believe Gibbs' rhetoric.

... and im sure he respects other skins players too.
Yeah, that's objective. And better still, it's substantiated by fact :rolleyes:

... our halmark player wasnt accusing us of fraud, pastabelly would have nothing to write about.
Excuse me? LaVar signed the contract - Strike 1. His agents were responsibile for reading it - Strike 2. This could've happened to any player who had the Postons and their agents - Strike 3.

they are doing bone-head, dumbass things left and right.
Just because you, your Iggle buddies or the Pastabelly soap-free alliance don't get what our FO and Coach Gibbs is doing doesn't make it bone-headed or dum*ss.

a FAN of the team makes excuses, stays loyal. a sportswriter just states the facts. sure his articles are negative. but i garauntee, if the skins ever start winning, make good front office decisions, he will be writing positive articles.
Stays loyal, yes. Makes excuses, no. Have you even read the posts here?! Apparently not or you would know that my point about Pastabelly is that he doesn't state the facts. He uses them, or something resembling them from "our sources" as a table setting for him to dish out crap about us. Furthermore, how the hell can you guarantee what that narcissistic sweat pile will do when we start winning again? That's ludicrous.

alot of people here are taking their own frustration and confusion and uncertainty about what the skins are doing (and will do) out on a guy thats reporting the facts without burgundyandgold glasses.
We might be taking some anger out on Pastabelly, but not for the reasons you and other Pastabelly apologists might suggest. He's the one who has created this animosity. We didn't ask for it. We don't care if he rips us now and again, as long as he's even-handed about it. If you had been paying attention to the loudmouth you would know that he most certainly has a vendetta against our team. Don't let his use of big words fool you.

if there is anyone who needs to work on their hate, its people who hate pastabelly. whether you agree with what he says or not, he hasnt said anything hateful. unlike some other people here, wishing death upon a guy for telling a truth they didnt want to hear.
He didn't have to come out and say it in so many words. I think a consistent, non-stop campaign to disparage and discredit our owner, coach, front office and team in the eyes of sportsfans accross the work is hateful. It takes a considerable amount of piss and vinegar to maintain such a merciless onslaught for as long as he has. That, to me, equates to hate.

As for me, I'll work on my hate for the guy the day that I smell Pasta burning in hell. :devil2:

[War Hogg]

A bit over the top IMO. Safe to assume that you haven't read JoeDaSchmoe's latest article. I don't see 4-5 pages of hate as a result. If you find Pasquarelli's articles to be on point, as I'm pretty certain that you do because I can't recall any positive commentary from you in regards to the team, then that's fine. Those that see through Pasquarelli's BS are more then welcome to call him on it. As you say, it is an open forum, so they are open to criticize him.

Sorry that my suggestion was "too over the top for you" ...

Sorry, I meant to say at least 4 to 5 pages of hate...This particular thread is 8 to 9 pages long of whining nonsense which has ended up in people questioning other members loyalty to the team...Nothing constructive.

As far as my comments that you have come across or monitored....If you feel they are not well thought out or just down right pessimestic than why not let it be known on the particular thread as oppossed to generalizing my views of the organization on this particular thread.

Im very open for debate about my views on the FO, the offseason moves, or the organization as a whole.

I felt the article was uneccasarily personal myself but then again I take issue with alot of what is going on also.

[BurgundyNGold]

Im very open for debate about my views on the FO, the offseason moves, or the organization as a whole.
Good point. Perhaps you should start a thread wherein you succinctly point out any of the shortcomings of our FO or whatever. That way, anybody who would like to discuss it with you will be able to read exactly what you think in a single place.

This thread is about Pastabelly being a douche. I have also taken it as an opportunity to advance my deep desire that he burn in hell. It got sidetracked because one poster made the statement that he was ashamed to be a Redskin fan. That's like saying that you're ashamed to be an American. You've got to know its not going to fly. Needless to say, I'm sure that poster recognized the moment he hit "Submit Reply" that he was having a Jane Fonda lapse of judgement.

[redskifreak]

"The truth is, there still are people inside Redskins Park who feel Ramsey isn't the team's best quarterback."




wtf and these ppl coach the skins and as well brought 3 lombardi's home?


-ETU BRUTUS-

[OCSkinzFan]

In an interview of Cerrato on radio, he alluded to the fact that Denver had apparently told the Redskins that the price for the No. 25 pick may be higher if we waited until the draft.

It has been reported after the trade that Denver had been shopping that pick for weeks with no takers, because most teams regard this draft as a weak one. Just like the Portis deal, Denver bluffed us again. I would have told the Broncos to "shove it". We will make the trade when we are good and ready. If they could have gotten a better deal elsewhere, they would have taken it already). Has anybody in our FO ever played poker?
You obviously haven't playe dpoker...at least not well.
You believe everything you hear.
For example, we killed denver on the Portis deal. Portis was way better/ productive than Bailey. And how produvtive was the #2 they got?

Exactly.

You got bluffed again.

[War Hogg]

Good point. Perhaps you should start a thread wherein you succinctly point out any of the shortcomings of our FO or whatever. That way, anybody who would like to discuss it with you will be able to read exactly what you think in a single place.

This thread is about Pastabelly being a douche. I have also taken it as an opportunity to advance my deep desire that he burn in hell. It got sidetracked because one poster made the statement that he was ashamed to be a Redskin fan. That's like saying that you're ashamed to be an American. You've got to know its not going to fly. Needless to say, I'm sure that poster recognized the moment he hit "Submit Reply" that he was having a Jane Fonda lapse of judgement.

I agree the "ashamed to be a Redskins Fan" thing is definitely "over the top" in my opinion..All I will say is if we were winning or undeniably moving in a positive direction this thread MIGHT be 3 pages long because no one would care what this guy has to say...

But we are not....

[BurgundyNGold]

I agree the "ashamed to be a Redskins Fan" thing is definitely "over the top" in my opinion..All I will say is if we were winning or undeniably moving in a positive direction this thread MIGHT be 3 pages long because no one would care what this guy has to say...

But we are not....
Possibly, but I'm pretty sure I would still have an intense dislike for him and would still be seeking any way to express my steadfast desire that he burn in hell. :D

[War Hogg]

Possibly, but I'm pretty sure I would still have an intense dislike for him and would still be seeking any way to express my steadfast desire that he burn in hell. :D

lol, I understand.

[BIGSEF3]

Go back a few posts and see how I point out both his blatant and underhanded jabs at the Redskins."

your posts were colored with prejudice and emotion, not objectivity.


"Excuse me? LaVar signed the contract - Strike 1. His agents were responsibile for reading it - Strike 2. This could've happened to any player who had the Postons and their agents - Strike 3."

you havent paid attention to the allegations, have you? the supposition is that AFTER lavar signed it, the redskins altered the documents. as poposterous as it sounds, thats the accusation.


"Just because you, your Iggle buddies or the Pastabelly soap-free alliance don't get what our FO and Coach Gibbs is doing doesn't make it bone-headed or dum*ss." what our FO did last year got us 6-10. what theyre doing this year is staking our entire future on the second coming of michael westbrook. pastabelly has facts which he uses to discredit our FO. only fans have this thing called FAITH AND HOPE in their team, despite all odds. the redskins are underdogs, anyway you cut it.


Stays loyal, yes. Makes excuses, no. Have you even read the posts here?! Apparently not or you would know that my point about Pastabelly is that he doesn't state the facts. He uses them, or something resembling them from "our sources" as a table setting for him to dish out crap about us. Furthermore, how the hell can you guarantee what that narcissistic sweat pile will do when we start winning again? That's ludicrous.


We might be taking some anger out on Pastabelly, but not for the reasons you and other Pastabelly apologists might suggest. He's the one who has created this animosity. We didn't ask for it. We don't care if he rips us now and again, as long as he's even-handed about it. If you had been paying attention to the loudmouth you would know that he most certainly has a vendetta against our team. Don't let his use of big words fool you.


He didn't have to come out and say it in so many words. I think a consistent, non-stop campaign to disparage and discredit our owner, coach, front office and team in the eyes of sportsfans accross the work is hateful. It takes a considerable amount of piss and vinegar to maintain such a merciless onslaught for as long as he has. That, to me, equates to hate.

As for me, I'll work on my hate for the guy the day that I smell Pasta burning in hell. :devil2:

lighten up man! hes a sportswriter!!!! embrace the criticism. instead of blindly ignoring his statements, accept them, being as they are mostly true and dead-on, and then start thinking about how we can overcome the obvious shortcomings caused by snyders madness.

[Skins57]

I am just getting a chance to catch up on this thread and I have seen quite a few "personal" shots in here. Guys do not attack each other at all, this is not tolerated here Even when members post things that are considered completely insane :D keep the personal attacks out. Pretty simple.

You have to take everything LP says with a grain of salt, he hate this team and looks forward to taking shots at us, yes most are true but a good writer does not drop to the level he does so just ignore him

[skinfandan]

Well there are two possibilities right now. Either the Redskins screwed up big and let on that they wanted Campbell, or they're throwing up an excellent smoke screen. If Campbell's shooting up draft boards the way some think he is then there's a very good chance someone will try to jump the Redskins, leaving one more player they might want available for them.

I want to think it's a smoke screen and I know 99% of the people here do to, but it is a real possibility that they blew this one. I'd be a lot more willing to believe they did if someone could explain to me why they traded for the pick before the draft, I can't see why they'd do that if Campbell was the only guy they were interested in. They only reason they make the trade this early is because they are putting together a package to trade-up to #1 or #2 to pick Michigan standout WR Braylon Edwards and the rest of the stuff is just a smokescreen to hid their actions because the Auburn QB will be gone prior to #25. If they cannot make this trade they need to move off of the #9 pick into the early teens and pick the CB or WR who is dropping(MW or AJ). :thinker:

[rskinsfan10]

Sorry that my suggestion was "too over the top for you" ...

Sorry, I meant to say at least 4 to 5 pages of hate...This particular thread is 8 to 9 pages long of whining nonsense which has ended up in people questioning other members loyalty to the team...Nothing constructive.

As far as my comments that you have come across or monitored....If you feel they are not well thought out or just down right pessimestic than why not let it be known on the particular thread as oppossed to generalizing my views of the organization on this particular thread.

Im very open for debate about my views on the FO, the offseason moves, or the organization as a whole.

I felt the article was uneccasarily personal myself but then again I take issue with alot of what is going on also.

You claim that this is an open forum, yet you then go to say that those that have stated their opinions of Pasquarelli are exhibiting "whining nonsense". So, I guess it's safe to term your feelings towards everyone else's thoughts as whining also. Is it whining simply because you disagree with what is said? If you feel that nothing constructive has been said in this thread, then I suppose your comments can be added to that as well. Right?

My take on your views of this FO are right on point. You have made them abundantly clear over several threads. I don't need to chase you down in each thread and point out "there you go again being negative". What's the point in doing that? I never said that your thoughts weren't "well thought out", so again I say to you " a bit over the top".

What is way over the top is you acting as though every negative article is met with "whining and nonsense". I pointed out at least one article that wasn't met with "whining and nonsense" (your terms), so that shoots your "generalization" down to Earth.

Were you generalizing when you said that many people here are nothing but KOOLAID drinkers that go along with what others say, implying that they aren't capable of offering their own opinions? You ask why do members allow themselves to be worked up in a frenzy by reading his articles. Why are you working yourself up in a frenzy because of what others have to say about him?

[Keino]

Do you realize you have a picture of Jon Stamos as your avitar? :garcia:


But it's autographed.... :rolleyes:

[ZackMills]

What's wrong with Stamos? I've met him a few times, he's the most down to earth famous person I've ever met (only really few 4 though)

[BurgundyNGold]

lighten up man! hes a sportswriter!!!! embrace the criticism. instead of blindly ignoring his statements, accept them, being as they are mostly true and dead-on, and then start thinking about how we can overcome the obvious shortcomings caused by snyders madness.
You know my position.

[redwolf1218]

but i wasnt speaking about all his articles. i was speaking about this one.
i am not even going to break it down. he is not "objective" (to quote another of your posts), he clearly has displayed a deep rooted personal vendetta against the Redskins over the past couple of years, since just about the time Vinny left ESPN to go back to work for Dan. i'm surprised ESPN still employs this guy.

[PA Skins Girl]

i'm surprised ESPN still employs this guy.Me too. He seems to have fallen down in the pecking order though. They seem to go to Mort and Clayton more for their insight. Hopefully, sooner or later readers get tired of Lenny's schtick.

[PyroGenic]

I still get a hearty laugh when someone calls him "pastabelly".

i do it because i cant really spell his name... and i despise him, he makes money by trashing players and franchises (we're not the only victims, remember when he basically called courtney brown trash?)

[DC_Cowboys]

Well, He is right. When are you guys sending him apologies ?

[hogs86]

Well, He is right. When are you guys sending him apologies ?


I hate to agree with a cowpuke fan but he is correct.And i did not disagree with fatboy.In another post Wednesday i said this would happen and Ramsey would demand a trade.

[inevitable]

I hate Fat&Smelly as much as any other, but he pinned us on this one.

I really hope he tears into us next week, we practically asked him too after today.

[War Hogg]

From ESPN.com today

"Most of the legion of critics (including some who draw a paycheck from the same company I do) who spent much of the week taking shots at our story on the Washington Redskins' interest in Auburn quarterback Jason Campbell articulated two similar, salient points: First, teams don't typically make such trade-up deals, like the one in which the Redskins acquired the 25th spot in the first round from Denver, until later in the week. Second, teams certainly don't complete that kind of deal to target one player, because there is uncertainty about whether that prospect will be available.

Having done this job now for 27 years, I'm pretty aware of that. But here's the point that the critics are missing: We're talking about the Washington Redskins here. With such a dysfunctional franchise, convention does not apply. Everyone seems willing, probably because of the presence of the sainted Joe Gibbs, to believe that Washington has straightened out its act. Yet with the exception of the brilliant hiring of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who cobbled together the NFL's third-ranked unit in 2004 despite playing with a lot of spare parts, what has the current regime done that has been all that successful? Hey, that trade for quarterback Mark Brunell -- a guy we panned dozens of times in this space before the Redskins acquired him -- worked out well, didn't it?

Maybe we'll be wrong and maybe Washington will, indeed use that No. 25 spot as part of a package to move up in the round for someone like Michigan wide receiver Braylon Edwards. After all, one of their coaches told a friend this week they are poised to do "something big." Heck, maybe they'll keep the choice and still pass on Campbell.

But a couple points here of our own: If the Redskins weren't so keen on Campbell, why were they so upset when we made public their interest in him? Why did vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato (a guy to whom I haven't spoken in 15 months by the way) essentially conduct an internal witch hunt trying to ferret out the source of what he assumed was an organizational leak? And has anyone yet heard Gibbs, the man who fueled the Campbell fixation, deny interest in the quarterback? The Redskins love the perception that they know how to wheel and deal. But mostly they like to squeal when someone uncovers their strategy. The fact is, whether the critics want to buy the truth or not, we stumbled onto a story that, for once, the Redskins didn't want out. They were way too ham-handed in their execution, and far too chatty with some of their fraternity brothers who reside outside the walls of Redskins Park. Going on the offensive to try to cover their tracks once the story was out of the bag -- having some of their buddies try to discredit it -- was handled in typically clumsy fashion by a franchise that's suffered through a pretty miserable offseason.
Per usual, Redskins quarterback Patrick Ramsey, one of the league's classiest players, said and did all the right things after the story about Jason Campbell was reported. But you've got to wonder if, privately, Ramsey isn't banging his head off a wall somewhere.

Ramsey probably could have escaped Washington last spring, after the Redskins traded for Mark Brunell, had he fought a little harder to get out. Owner Dan Snyder probably would have dealt him away -- perhaps to Miami before the Dolphins completed the deal for A.J. Feeley -- had Ramsey gone out of character and become the squeaky wheel. If you don't believe it, consider for a second how Snyder reacted to Laveranues Coles this offseason, when the disgruntled wide receiver wanted to get traded. But Ramsey permitted himself to buy into coach Joe Gibbs' sales pitch about how he would have an opportunity to compete with Brunell for the starting job.

Unfortunately for Ramsey, he is repeating the mistake, investing in Gibbs' rhetoric. The truth is, there still are people inside Redskins Park who feel Ramsey isn't the team's best quarterback."




Wow Lenny you are a miserable scumbag aren't you?


Wow read this thread again, it seems to make sense now......

[lakeskin]

So who's the mole?

[redskin_rich]

So who's the mole?
If I were the Skins, I would start leaking bogus info constantly while only keeping certain people, different in every instance, in the loop. Find the mole and burn him. :devil2:

[inevitable]

Really can't say that article is in any fashion misguided: I hate that fat bastard, and now hate him even more for being right.

[War Hogg]

You claim that this is an open forum, yet you then go to say that those that have stated their opinions of Pasquarelli are exhibiting "whining nonsense". So, I guess it's safe to term your feelings towards everyone else's thoughts as whining also. Is it whining simply because you disagree with what is said? If you feel that nothing constructive has been said in this thread, then I suppose your comments can be added to that as well. Right?

My take on your views of this FO are right on point. You have made them abundantly clear over several threads. I don't need to chase you down in each thread and point out "there you go again being negative". What's the point in doing that? I never said that your thoughts weren't "well thought out", so again I say to you " a bit over the top".

What is way over the top is you acting as though every negative article is met with "whining and nonsense". I pointed out at least one article that wasn't met with "whining and nonsense" (your terms), so that shoots your "generalization" down to Earth.

Were you generalizing when you said that many people here are nothing but KOOLAID drinkers that go along with what others say, implying that they aren't capable of offering their own opinions? You ask why do members allow themselves to be worked up in a frenzy by reading his articles. Why are you working yourself up in a frenzy because of what others have to say about him?

Whats your take on this article now? or are you still at the big draft celebration!

[rskinsfan10]

Whats your take on this article now? or are you still at the big draft celebration!

What's your take on what I said in that post, which is the bigger question?

[joethefan]

I hate to agree with a cowpuke fan but he is correct.And i did not disagree with fatboy.In another post Wednesday i said this would happen and Ramsey would demand a trade.

That you did...gotta give you your props...

[Aurej]

I'd like to make the point that everything Len said is unfortunately true. It seems the majority of the fans here hold Gibbs in near God like status. He's not. He had one of, if not the largest payrolls in the NFL during his first tenure, now theres a salary cap. In all 3 years he won the superbowl yes the offense was great but the defense was top 10 in all of them as well once if I'm not mistaken they were #1 the others probably just about that as well. In my opinion Gibbs is not some uber coach hes the NFL's Joe Torre. Any moron can win when your team has the best players in the league at 5 positions and the second best at the rest.

[rskinsfan10]

I'd like to make the point that everything Len said is unfortunately true.

Actually, everything he said isn't true. He and Mortensen consistently stated that the Redskins didn't cover their tracks with their want for Campbell. The truth is he has a well informed mole inside Redskin Park. The only thing Gibbs can be accused of is apparently trusting someone that he shouldn't.

[Spence]

In my opinion Gibbs is not some uber coach hes the NFL's Joe Torre. Any moron can win when your team has the best players in the league at 5 positions and the second best at the rest.This is incredibly preposterous. Gibbs never had the best tailback. None of his quarterbacks are in the Hall of Fame and probably never will be. None of his wideouts are in the Hall of Fame and only one deserves to be. The best tight end he ever had usually caught about 14 passes a year. In 1991 Gibbs won a Super Bowl with a journeyman quarterback and in 1987 he won a Super Bowl with a guy whose knees were held together with chewing gum and piano wire. Gibbs NEVER had the most talented roster in the NFL and the payroll numbers were unimportant. Before free agency players made relatively little by today's standards. [I think Joe Jacoby was paid about $14,000 in the Super Bowl season of 1982.] No team had any significant payroll advantages back then.

This is really getting ridiculous. I thought Gibbs did a pretty poor job of coaching last year, but to have his magnificent record besmirched by people who are either ignorant of the past or too emotional to think clearly is really starting to get on my nerves.

[rskinsfan10]

This is incredibly preposterous. Gibbs never had the best tailback. None of his quarterbacks are in the Hall of Fame and probably never will be. None of his wideouts are in the Hall of Fame and only one deserves to be. The best tight end he ever had usually caught about 14 passes a year. In 1991 Gibbs won a Super Bowl with a journeyman quarterback and in 1987 he won a Super Bowl with a guy whose knees were held together with chewing gum and piano wire. Gibbs NEVER had the most talented roster in the NFL and the payroll numbers were unimportant. Before free agency players made relatively little by today's standards. [I think Joe Jacoby was paid about $14,000 in the Super Bowl season of 1982.] No team had any significant payroll advantages back then.

This is really getting ridiculous. I thought Gibbs did a pretty poor job of coaching last year, but to have his magnificent record besmirched by people who are either ignorant of the past or too emotional to think clearly is really starting to get on my nerves.

Good God, I didn't even realize that he had said all of that in his post. I couldn't get past the first couple of sentences.

[RedskinsDave]

I'll let the accusation that Joe Torre isn't a good manager go. I will point out that from 96-2000 the Yankees didn't have anywhere near the top guy at any position but if it suits an ignorant argument, carry on.

Spence covered the Gibbs part of that.

[skinfandan]

This is incredibly preposterous. Gibbs never had the best tailback. None of his quarterbacks are in the Hall of Fame and probably never will be. None of his wideouts are in the Hall of Fame and only one deserves to be. The best tight end he ever had usually caught about 14 passes a year. In 1991 Gibbs won a Super Bowl with a journeyman quarterback and in 1987 he won a Super Bowl with a guy whose knees were held together with chewing gum and piano wire. Gibbs NEVER had the most talented roster in the NFL and the payroll numbers were unimportant. Before free agency players made relatively little by today's standards. [I think Joe Jacoby was paid about $14,000 in the Super Bowl season of 1982.] No team had any significant payroll advantages back then.

This is really getting ridiculous. I thought Gibbs did a pretty poor job of coaching last year, but to have his magnificent record besmirched by people who are either ignorant of the past or too emotional to think clearly is really starting to get on my nerves. You are right on the money Spence. Jansen said during the roundtable at the draft yesterday that the Skins were trying to run a 1992 offense and then realized that it was not working and have had to make some changes to be able to compete in today's NFL. By the way he was never the person who found our draft nuggets it was Beatherd or Casserly back in the good old days.