View Full Version : How scary is the NFC East?
SKINSHOG
05-01-2005, 03:27 PM
Skins in the Super Bowl 06' :Pickle:
Santheb
05-01-2005, 03:30 PM
Let me be the first to say, wth?
whitskins
05-01-2005, 03:33 PM
Random.
chrisbcbu
05-01-2005, 03:36 PM
The NFC East is only scary on PAPER. As of right now the only ppl that other teams fear is the Eagles. Hopefully after this season NFC East will be back in the top of the league where it belongs.
PSUredskins
05-01-2005, 03:59 PM
with a title like that i fully expected some thought out idea about how each team in the NFC East is arguably a great choice for one of the playoff berths...however i guess you can go that route to. I guess i'll just have to post what i'm thinking about the NFC East.
Last year the AFC was by and large the all around superior conference. And many would venture to say that it will be again. Now while i agree there will still be the higher level teams, I think that the surprise this year will be the parity which will occur. Here are my predictions of a few teams in the AFC then the NFC East.
Patriots: I know that i am most likely going to be proven wrong here, as the patriots have for the past 4 years. But i dont think they will be anywhere near where they were last year. I dont think they will make the conference championship much less the superbowl. They lost both coordinators, there defense is still going through injuries (eg. tedi bruschi) And i dont feel like they have really upgraded there secondary at all which despite overachieving is a weak unit. Belichek is a genius but i think weiss and crennel had a lot of to with the overachieving as well. I could see them winning their division again as the bills will have a falloff, the dolphins are still bad, and the jets just find a way to lose despite the talent on their team.
Despite being the surprise team last year the chargers will take a step backwards this year....not too far but they wont challenge in their division. The raiders dominate their division with high powered offense...outscoring even the chiefs. Broncos will again underachieve.
The colts are going to the championship game...thats all that needs to be said about their division..no one else is anything.
Does anyone else have nightmares at night about the ravens defense? because i do. They win hands down...in the championship game against the colts...lets see who wins...all offense or all defense. Steelers wont repeat this year...they'll be solid but thats it. browns bengals...yeah lets just say no one has nightmares about anything about them.
NFC East.
PHILLY: they have to be everyones favorites for the superbowl from teh NFC. Big questions of them- will TO play? Is westbrook going to resign? how about simon? they lose TO they will be back in the "hunt" for the NFC meaning they are fallible. Lose either of hte other two and they are hoping for playoffs at best. Can their defense overachieve once again to help them out? I'm still not sold on their corners but kearse will always help them look good. Jim johnson is a genius.
Cowboys: Wow they are stacked....for this year
their defense - personnel wise is awesome...can they find a scheme that works for them. They will be hit or miss...either a boom or a bust with nothing in between. Will their rookies step up like parcells is hoping...something like 6 of 7 players drafted were defense.
Giants: the weakest of the NFC East. Although they do have a manning. That alone makes them a contender. i think he'll step up and make the NFC east the division it used to be.
Redskins: JOE GIBBS!!! our defense will be studly...Even better then last year. we lost smoot to get a better physical specimen. yeah he'll be a little weaker int he beginning of hte year...but i have no doubt by week 4 on we wont see a loss in production from last year. with bowen, arrington back our defense is even better. I am excited. Offensively we still have questions. Who is our quarterback? i dont believe the media when they say ramsey is the starter and i dont believe them when they say campbell is playing awesome so far. I'm not saying they aren't telling the truth in each case rather i am just not putting stock into any of it. It is all just smokescreens. It was made pretty clear when we didn't pick mike williams that we are sticking with joe gibbs offense. We are not changing it drastically. THis is still very much run first. They upgraded our line, grabbed a bunch of short yardage, blocking running backs to help portis even more. Our receivers will be a lot more important but i think we are getting hte running game on course first. Portis will have a huge year jansen and rabach will solidify our offense. I really can't pick who is going to win the NFC East. I would say eagles but it is looking as if TO wont be around. I would say us...but will our offense be on track. I would say cowboys...but we should know from our own experience that big spending on free agency doesnt always work. That plus counting on that many rookies is also dangerous. I would say the GIants...but counting on 1 player is never a sure thing. We'll just have to wait and see.
AFC:
Colts/Ravens
NFC:
Vikings/Winner of NFC East
Superbowl prediction:
Colts over Vikings
BurgundyNGold
05-01-2005, 03:59 PM
Skins in the Super Bowl 06' :Pickle:
Welcome to HR SkinsHog! Why not in '05?!
SKINSHOG
05-01-2005, 04:13 PM
Welcome to HR SkinsHog! Why not in '05?!
Thanks burgundy! i mean in the super bowl 06'
BurgundyNGold
05-01-2005, 04:14 PM
Thanks burgundy! i mean in the super bowl 06'
Oh, OK. So after this season? Stranger things have happened. Didn't the Rams go from 6-10 to Super Bowl champions a few years back?
BtwnDaTackles
05-01-2005, 04:17 PM
with a title like that i fully expected some thought out idea about how each team in the NFC East is arguably a great choice for one of the playoff berths...however i guess you can go that route to. I guess i'll just have to post what i'm thinking about the NFC East.
Last year the AFC was by and large the all around superior conference. And many would venture to say that it will be again. Now while i agree there will still be the higher level teams, I think that the surprise this year will be the parity which will occur. Here are my predictions of a few teams in the AFC then the NFC East.
Patriots: I know that i am most likely going to be proven wrong here, as the patriots have for the past 4 years. But i dont think they will be anywhere near where they were last year. I dont think they will make the conference championship much less the superbowl. They lost both coordinators, there defense is still going through injuries (eg. tedi bruschi) And i dont feel like they have really upgraded there secondary at all which despite overachieving is a weak unit. Belichek is a genius but i think weiss and crennel had a lot of to with the overachieving as well. I could see them winning their division again as the bills will have a falloff, the dolphins are still bad, and the jets just find a way to lose despite the talent on their team.
Despite being the surprise team last year the chargers will take a step backwards this year....not too far but they wont challenge in their division. The raiders dominate their division with high powered offense...outscoring even the chiefs. Broncos will again underachieve.
The colts are going to the championship game...thats all that needs to be said about their division..no one else is anything.
Does anyone else have nightmares at night about the ravens defense? because i do. They win hands down...in the championship game against the colts...lets see who wins...all offense or all defense. Steelers wont repeat this year...they'll be solid but thats it. browns bengals...yeah lets just say no one has nightmares about anything about them.
NFC East.
PHILLY: they have to be everyones favorites for the superbowl from teh NFC. Big questions of them- will TO play? Is westbrook going to resign? how about simon? they lose TO they will be back in the "hunt" for the NFC meaning they are fallible. Lose either of hte other two and they are hoping for playoffs at best. Can their defense overachieve once again to help them out? I'm still not sold on their corners but kearse will always help them look good. Jim johnson is a genius.
Cowboys: Wow they are stacked....for this year
their defense - personnel wise is awesome...can they find a scheme that works for them. They will be hit or miss...either a boom or a bust with nothing in between. Will their rookies step up like parcells is hoping...something like 6 of 7 players drafted were defense.
Giants: the weakest of the NFC East. Although they do have a manning. That alone makes them a contender. i think he'll step up and make the NFC east the division it used to be.
Redskins: JOE GIBBS!!! our defense will be studly...Even better then last year. we lost smoot to get a better physical specimen. yeah he'll be a little weaker int he beginning of hte year...but i have no doubt by week 4 on we wont see a loss in production from last year. with bowen, arrington back our defense is even better. I am excited. Offensively we still have questions. Who is our quarterback? i dont believe the media when they say ramsey is the starter and i dont believe them when they say campbell is playing awesome so far. I'm not saying they aren't telling the truth in each case rather i am just not putting stock into any of it. It is all just smokescreens. It was made pretty clear when we didn't pick mike williams that we are sticking with joe gibbs offense. We are not changing it drastically. THis is still very much run first. They upgraded our line, grabbed a bunch of short yardage, blocking running backs to help portis even more. Our receivers will be a lot more important but i think we are getting hte running game on course first. Portis will have a huge year jansen and rabach will solidify our offense. I really can't pick who is going to win the NFC East. I would say eagles but it is looking as if TO wont be around. I would say us...but will our offense be on track. I would say cowboys...but we should know from our own experience that big spending on free agency doesnt always work. That plus counting on that many rookies is also dangerous. I would say the GIants...but counting on 1 player is never a sure thing. We'll just have to wait and see.
AFC:
Colts/Ravens
NFC:
Vikings/Winner of NFC East
Superbowl prediction:
Colts over Vikings
WOW!......So where's your proof?...LOL
cmdlost29
05-01-2005, 07:05 PM
The NFC East is scary to everyone but the Eagles as usual. As for a prediction on how the upcoming season ends up here's mine.
NFC East Standings:
1) Philadelphia Eagles (12-4)
2) Dallas Cowboys (10-6)
3) Washington Redskins (7-9)
4) New York Giants (6-10)
The Redskins do not have the offensive powers to beat Dallas or the Eagles in the division but strong defense improves the win record from the previous year slightly. Washington fans deal with change of QB in week 8 and say hello to Campbell and goodbye to Ramsey. Fans are left scratching there heads and asking "Why didn't we address the offense more this off-season?" and wait for another year for a winning record. Philadelphia goes on to easily win the division with McNabb leading the charge proving TO is not the man in Phili. Dallas with Bledsoe as the new sheriff in town takes an up and coming squad back into the playoffs with Jones the focal point in that offense. Cowboys sweep the Redskins again btw. The Giants struggle with Manning showing only flashes of greatness shared with his more popular brother and wonder if he will be the man they expect him to be one day.
Write this down, place your bets cause here's how it's going down in the playoffs!
NFC:
NFC Wild Card Game 1 – Dallas over Arizona
NFC Wild Card Game 2 – Atlanta over St. Louis
NFC Divisional Round Game 1 – Philadelphia over Dallas
NFC Divisional Round Game 2 – Minnesota over Atlanta
NFC Championship - Minnesota over Philadelphia (Minnesota wins big game in Philadelphia to advance to Super bowl)
AFC Playoffs:
AFC Wild Card Game 1 – Oakland over Baltimore
AFC Wild Card Game 2 – New England over San Diego
AFC Divisional Game 1 – Pittsburgh over Oakland
AFC Divisional Game 2 – Indianapolis over New England (Sweet Revenge)
AFC Championship - Pittsburgh over Indianapolis (Pittsburgh finally wins one at home over the Colts on a snowy day in Pennsylvania)
2005 Super Bowl Champion - Minnesota Vikings over Pittsburgh (Cowher chokes again in the big game and Minnesota finally wins it for the first time with strong Defense once again proving Defense wins championships)
Aurej
05-01-2005, 09:33 PM
Not very scary at all.
2Cooley
05-01-2005, 10:05 PM
the eagles own the NFC east and i dont see it stoping now
ryflan47
05-01-2005, 10:08 PM
have you ever met a poodle named princess... that type of scary.
SKINSHOG
05-01-2005, 10:21 PM
Its pretty hard to say right now, but I think the best move that the Redskins got was a solid center and a better corner (no disrespect to Smoot). The offense, I think that all Redskins fans should give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt, as he did win us three super bowls though it was a long time ago, but the bottom line is the man is SMART.
Can he adapt for a better season? Absolutely. I do believe that Gibbs isn't really sold on Ramsey, but this guy has made mediocre QBs into Super Bowl champs and MVPs. I think the Skins will get in with the wild card this year, behind Philly with a much improved offense, and yes, I did say much improved. I'm scared of the Cowboys but I'm hoping Bledsoe remains the slow in the pocket QB he was in Buffalo (I swear in his previous life he was a tree stump), allowing our defense to pressure him and take over the pansies.
Giants? The worst of the pack here. I'm not sold on Manning, he's gonna be a good qb but nothing too special this year. More growing pains are to come. I think Sean Taylor and Shawn Springs will absolutely manhandle Plaxico the twig, allowing us to beat them BOTH times.
This is all just conjecture of course, and I do have a slight bias, but I have faith in Gibbs. This man was absent for years and came back to football with everyone expecting him to turn a football team into a Super Bowl contender in the FIRST YEAR. We all know what he did in his second year as coach, and I believe we'll see it this year.
skinsfan36
05-01-2005, 11:05 PM
i think we will sweep the giants,beat the cowboys at least once,and beat the eagles once
smoss
05-02-2005, 04:45 AM
Let's be honest the NFC East still stinks. Philly is a good team but in any other division they are a 10-11 win tean instead of 13 wins but they can count on 5-6 wins a year from this division.. As for the rest:
-Dallas had what appears to be a great draft and it looks like they improved defensively but they are counting on alot of young guys and they overpaud for a mediocre DT in Jason Fergsuon and are expecting him to be the anchor of that D(we should know the result of overpaying ex-Jets) and let's not forget they weren't exactly an offenive juggernaut last year and did nothing to improve it. Drew Bledsow is WORSE than Testaverde and Richie Anderson was just released. The only area they are better is at RB w/ Jones developing. I see them as 8-8 maybe 9-7 tops.
-NY Giants- they appeared to have improved a bit but their season is mostly on Eli's development. I know I didn't see muh out of Eli, I know he'll be better but I wouldn't expect a Peyton like jump. This is a 6-7 win team tops.
-The 'Skins have had a miserable offseason so mabe that will mean good things since the skins are usually offseason Champions. Our O looks like it's going to be Clinton, Clinton, Clinton. JG has no faijth in Ramsey and the WRs are alot worse w/o Coles. Moss will make some plays but I don't like his start as a 'skin this offseason. He appears to be more worried about a new deal than about helping the skins win. I'd say the skins will win anywhere from 7-9.
The division should be better but we aren't exactly looking at the 80s and early 90s version of the NFC East.
dogfight6
05-02-2005, 05:36 AM
We would have been able to make a better impact if certain people stayed home draft day. Philly is still the team to beat. The Cowboys D will improve, and Bledsoe is an improvement over Vinny. Their O-line will be their downfall. The Giants got nothing and that includes Manning! Our D will keep us in games but I see last year all over again. The other teams will jam the box with 8 players we'll move the ball and stall at the redzone. God help us if Portis gets hurt. Our recievers scare no one and now Ramsey will pull a Brunell by looking over is should on every incompletion to see if Campbell is comming in. Philly 12-4 Dallas 8-8 Washington 8-8 Giants 4-12
smoak
05-02-2005, 07:00 AM
Oh, OK. So after this season? Stranger things have happened. Didn't the Rams go from 6-10 to Super Bowl champions a few years back?
The NFL is really set up to dangle the carrot for fans. Any team can go from worst to first overnight.
For me, if the TO/Westbrook/Simon/Thomas disputes don't play out well in Pjilly, then they are ripe for the picking.
Redskin-4-life
05-02-2005, 07:04 AM
The Redskins will be the suprise team of the NFC East this year. After free agency and the draft there's not as high an expectation like there was in the past. I think the Philly is due for a let down season.
portis&taylor
05-02-2005, 07:17 AM
im gonna say this is our year we get into the playoffs but to the superbowl.
Dept_of_Defense
05-02-2005, 07:30 AM
I think we'll do really well this year, as long as we cut down the stupid mistakes (i.e penalties, dropped passes, etc.). Everyone thinks that the Giants aren't going to do well, but I think that they are a potential sleeper. I just have a feeling they could do some damage if we're not careful...
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smoak
05-02-2005, 07:36 AM
I think we'll do really well this year, as long as we cut down the stupid mistakes (i.e penalties, dropped passes, etc.). Everyone thinks that the Giants aren't going to do well, but I think that they are a potential sleeper. I just have a feeling they could do some damage if we're not careful...
I didn't see enough out of Manning to think they are an immediate threat.
SkinsKY
05-02-2005, 07:41 AM
NFC East.
PHILLY: they have to be everyones favorites for the superbowl from teh NFC. Big questions of them- will TO play? Is westbrook going to resign? how about simon? they lose TO they will be back in the "hunt" for the NFC meaning they are fallible. Lose either of hte other two and they are hoping for playoffs at best. Can their defense overachieve once again to help them out? I'm still not sold on their corners but kearse will always help them look good. Jim johnson is a genius.
An immediate favorite. They have to finish below .500 before you can really count them out.
Cowboys: Wow they are stacked....for this year
their defense - personnel wise is awesome...can they find a scheme that works for them. They will be hit or miss...either a boom or a bust with nothing in between. Will their rookies step up like parcells is hoping...something like 6 of 7 players drafted were defense.
They have made a few improvements and have better personnel than they did last year. Let's see if it pans out for them.
Giants: the weakest of the NFC East. Although they do have a manning. That alone makes them a contender. i think he'll step up and make the NFC east the division it used to be.
Manning means nothing until he does something. Right now, I'd be more worried about Jake Delhomme than Manning. They look to be about the same as last year.
Redskins: JOE GIBBS!!! our defense will be studly...Even better then last year. we lost smoot to get a better physical specimen. yeah he'll be a little weaker int he beginning of hte year...but i have no doubt by week 4 on we wont see a loss in production from last year. with bowen, arrington back our defense is even better. I am excited. Offensively we still have questions. Who is our quarterback? i dont believe the media when they say ramsey is the starter and i dont believe them when they say campbell is playing awesome so far. I'm not saying they aren't telling the truth in each case rather i am just not putting stock into any of it. It is all just smokescreens. It was made pretty clear when we didn't pick mike williams that we are sticking with joe gibbs offense. We are not changing it drastically. THis is still very much run first. They upgraded our line, grabbed a bunch of short yardage, blocking running backs to help portis even more. Our receivers will be a lot more important but i think we are getting hte running game on course first. Portis will have a huge year jansen and rabach will solidify our offense. I really can't pick who is going to win the NFC East. I would say eagles but it is looking as if TO wont be around. I would say us...but will our offense be on track. I would say cowboys...but we should know from our own experience that big spending on free agency doesnt always work. That plus counting on that many rookies is also dangerous. I would say the GIants...but counting on 1 player is never a sure thing. We'll just have to wait and see.
It all hinges on our Oline and passes down the field. Even a consistent 200 passing yards a game will open things up significantly for Portis.
AFC:
Colts/Ravens
NFC:
Vikings/Winner of NFC East
Superbowl prediction:
Colts over Vikings
I don't think the Vikings quite have it together either. I know they have Williamson, but I think they may be surprised just how much they will miss Moss's departure. Ravens? Boller has to play better. Colts? Certainly a favorite if they can improve their defense.
Dept_of_Defense
05-02-2005, 07:43 AM
I didn't see enough out of Manning to think they are an immediate threat.
Yeah you're probably right, but I just have this feeling....you never know, now that he has a year under his belt, Strahan's back, they have Pierce....Tiki Barber always runs for a 1000. Oh yeah, I almost forgot that Shockey's pretty good too, and Burress isn't too shabby. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be surprised if they do something.
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joethefan
05-02-2005, 08:17 AM
With the Skins going through thier 2nd year with Gibbs, Giant's going through their second year, the Cowboys stacking thier Defense....I woulnd't be surprised that Philly dropps of a bit. There will be a new winner of the east this year...Mark my words....
smoak
05-02-2005, 08:31 AM
Yeah you're probably right, but I just have this feeling....you never know, now that he has a year under his belt, Strahan's back, they have Pierce....Tiki Barber always runs for a 1000. Oh yeah, I almost forgot that Shockey's pretty good too, and Burress isn't too shabby. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be surprised if they do something.
I agree that they have talent and in the modern NFL, anyone can win it. Coach Coughlin better keep Manning happy b/c I could see him getting that superstar "pick your own coach" treatment.
The Giants and Cowboys improved. The Redskins are a maybe depending on the health of Jansen, Bowen, Arrington, and other guys returning from injury. The Iggles maybe got worse, but otherwise aren't much different (depending on who holds out).
It'll be fun to see who steps up.
TheGreek1973
05-02-2005, 08:33 AM
Of all the NFC teams only Philly and Washington have continuity at the positions that really matter. Dallas is a big question mark because let me tell you folks by drafting then DE they could get their hands on and changing defensive scheme it would be almost imposible to have a super good D. I just don't see it. And they don't have someone named Gregg Williams to pull it off either.
Giants forget it. Manning will be beat up once again they are getting old in the skill positions like WR and if they think Pierce is the answer on D they will soon findout that he is an average MLB that over achieved in a D that allowed him to over achieve.
Skins simply put they have addresed the biggest problem in their offense and no one knows about it. That is the OL. We added a high quality Center, we are getting Jansen back and Bugels has this OL for another year. THAT IS HUGE because anyone that has followed Gibbs style football will know that Gibbs offense is only as good as the OL. If they can improve the run blocking and pass protection then this offense jumps at least 5 spots in the ranking. If the receivers can make plays after the catch, or hell, even catch the ball and cut down on drops, then add 3 more spots, and last but not least if we cut down on miscues (please Gibbs learn how to clock manage) and penalties (don't think we will see these many penalties next year) add another 5 spots. All said and done I expect this offense to be ranked between 15-20. Are D will be all world because of 3 simple facts. Arrington, Bowen, Daniels will be back. STaylor will not be a rookie anymore, Rogers will be more than just a replacement for Smoot. Top 5 again in otherwords. The only think that will stop this team from making the playoffs will be injuries. Nothing else.
Dept_of_Defense
05-02-2005, 08:35 AM
I agree that they have talent and in the modern NFL, anyone can win it. Coach Coughlin better keep Manning happy b/c I could see him getting that superstar "pick your own coach" treatment.
The Giants and Cowboys improved. The Redskins are a maybe depending on the health of Jansen, Bowen, Arrington, and other guys returning from injury. The Iggles maybe got worse, but otherwise aren't much different (depending on who holds out).
It'll be fun to see who steps up.
Yeah we're just going to try and have to have an injury-free season. This is near impossible, but mainly I really hope we can cut down the stupid penalties(i.e delay of game, false starts, late hits). We killed ourselves last year with all those careless mistakes. Oh yeah, I hope we got a new guy to help GIbbs with challenges....I thought we were pretty horrible @ that too.
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smoss
05-02-2005, 09:00 AM
The only think that will stop this team from making the playoffs will be injuries. Nothing else.
That's a vefry bold statement considering the skins haven't even been close to a playoff berth this decade. Expecting Jansen to be his old self is asking alot of off his injury, the OL should be better but how much we don't know? We also still have QB issues that can hold us back, if everything breaks right there is a chance but I wouldn't purchase playoff tickets just yet. I want the playoffs and beyond as bad as anyone but I'd first lke to at least have a winning record and be in contention. This season will be a success if we are in it the last week or 2 of the year.
RedskinsDave
05-02-2005, 09:44 AM
The NFC East is not remotely scary. In fact I am sure the teams who are set to play the East this season are stoked once they are done with the Eagles.
TheGreek1973
05-02-2005, 09:51 AM
That's a vefry bold statement considering the skins haven't even been close to a playoff berth this decade. Expecting Jansen to be his old self is asking alot of off his injury, the OL should be better but how much we don't know? We also still have QB issues that can hold us back, if everything breaks right there is a chance but I wouldn't purchase playoff tickets just yet. I want the playoffs and beyond as bad as anyone but I'd first lke to at least have a winning record and be in contention. This season will be a success if we are in it the last week or 2 of the year.
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Why do you have any doubt if we didn't have the injuries we had this year we wouldn't have made it to the playoffs?
smoak
05-02-2005, 10:04 AM
Yeah we're just going to try and have to have an injury-free season. This is near impossible, but mainly I really hope we can cut down the stupid penalties(i.e delay of game, false starts, late hits). We killed ourselves last year with all those careless mistakes. Oh yeah, I hope we got a new guy to help GIbbs with challenges....I thought we were pretty horrible @ that too.
I do agree with Madden when he rambles on and on about "if you try to avoid injuries, that is when they'll happen". I just hope we are lucky this season.
I think we'd be ok at some positions (LB for example), but O-line is thinner than wet 1 ply tissue paper. I haven't heard anything really raving about Molinaro/Wilson, and Ray Brown is up there to say the least. I also think we'll be in trouble if we lose Cooley believe it or not.
Dept_of_Defense
05-02-2005, 10:09 AM
I also think we'll be in trouble if we lose Cooley believe it or not.
I hope we never lose Cooley. How many years does he have left on his contract?
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akhhorus
05-02-2005, 10:14 AM
I hope we never lose Cooley. How many years does he have left on his contract?
two more years I believe, but he'll be a RFA that offseason. He aint going anywhere.
Dept_of_Defense
05-02-2005, 10:16 AM
two more years I believe, but he'll be a RFA that offseason. He aint going anywhere.
Nice. This guy has so much potential. My Cooley jersey is in the mail.
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RedskinsDave
05-02-2005, 10:55 AM
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Why do you have any doubt if we didn't have the injuries we had this year we wouldn't have made it to the playoffs?
What were you watching?
akhhorus
05-02-2005, 11:26 AM
What were you watching?
I agree that we wouldnt have made the playoffs, but we would have been 8-8ish.
SKINSHOG
05-02-2005, 11:32 AM
Yeah you're probably right, but I just have this feeling....you never know, now that he has a year under his belt, Strahan's back, they have Pierce....Tiki Barber always runs for a 1000. Oh yeah, I almost forgot that Shockey's pretty good too, and Burress isn't too shabby. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't be surprised if they do something.
I don't think we'll see as much production from Pierce as we did last year. A lot of that had to do w/ mr. williams as his defensive coordinator.
smoss
05-02-2005, 01:17 PM
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Why do you have any doubt if we didn't have the injuries we had this year we wouldn't have made it to the playoffs?
Even w/ Jansen the Ol isn't great and we had a big hole at QB. I like ramsey but apparently JG doesn't so that doesn't give me much confidence and this year we have less weapons on an offense that wasn't good last year.
Dept_of_Defense
05-02-2005, 01:19 PM
I don't think we'll see as much production from Pierce as we did last year. A lot of that had to do w/ mr. williams as his defensive coordinator.
Yeah that's true. Let's just hope he left his passion here when he left DC.
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Patrick
05-02-2005, 01:24 PM
The NFC East is not remotely scary. In fact I am sure the teams who are set to play the East this season are stoked once they are done with the Eagles.
Thank You - that is what I was thinking EXCEPT I don't even think the Eagles are the NFC team to beat anymore.
smoak
05-02-2005, 01:27 PM
I agree that we wouldnt have made the playoffs, but we would have been 8-8ish.
Exactly. We beat the snot out of the NFC north and would have lost in the first round.... but we would have made the playoffs!
Meatsnack
05-02-2005, 01:47 PM
Its pretty hard to say right now, but I think the best move that the Redskins got was a solid center and a better corner (no disrespect to Smoot). The offense, I think that all Redskins fans should give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt, as he did win us three super bowls though it was a long time ago, but the bottom line is the man is SMART.
Can he adapt for a better season? Absolutely. I do believe that Gibbs isn't really sold on Ramsey, but this guy has made mediocre QBs into Super Bowl champs and MVPs. I think the Skins will get in with the wild card this year, behind Philly with a much improved offense, and yes, I did say much improved. I'm scared of the Cowboys but I'm hoping Bledsoe remains the slow in the pocket QB he was in Buffalo (I swear in his previous life he was a tree stump), allowing our defense to pressure him and take over the pansies.
Giants? The worst of the pack here. I'm not sold on Manning, he's gonna be a good qb but nothing too special this year. More growing pains are to come. I think Sean Taylor and Shawn Springs will absolutely manhandle Plaxico the twig, allowing us to beat them BOTH times.
This is all just conjecture of course, and I do have a slight bias, but I have faith in Gibbs. This man was absent for years and came back to football with everyone expecting him to turn a football team into a Super Bowl contender in the FIRST YEAR. We all know what he did in his second year as coach, and I believe we'll see it this year.
I agree with most of this. The Cowboys have better personnel but a new scheme and a lot of rookies on defense. They will be subject to giving up the big play. We have the athletes on offense who can get the big play for once. On offense the 'boys have an immobile Bledsoe at QB and no one scary at WR. Our D can dominate them if ST doesn't get caught peeking at the QB again.
The Giants have improved personnel, also. But, Eli is still a guy who doesn't rocket a football and is slow footed behing a porous o-line. He can be physically intimidated. Burress will fold up in a fetal position for a half the first time he gets crushed going over the middle. He famous for checking-out of games. Their defense will be stout as usual.
The Iggles are team with no #2 WR. TO will play hard no matter what (unless he's a holdout) but GW can take him out as he has proven. With no #2, the Iggles have to be able to dominate with Westbrook. I don't think they can. On defense, they have the 2nd best defensive coordinator in the league. They will always be in it. We played them very close twice last year. I think we can at least split this year.
As for us, we can finally challenge poeple deep with three receivers (Taylor, Moss and Patton all have Sub 4.4. speed) and have a rocket-armed QB. Our o-line is improved - by how much remains to be seen but it will be better. Portis will get his yards. We have a red-zone/midfield threat in Cooley. We may have DMC or Gardener working the middle, also. On defense, we should be solid to killer in the secondary. Our front seven is vulnerable to age and injury on the line and has a potential hole at MLB. However, barring losing C Griff to injury, we should be very sound up front. If I could get one guy as a trade it would be Corey Simon. Another "disappointment" for the team that drafted him, Simon could be allowed to realize his potential under Williams and maybe be some insurance for injury. Maybe we could get the Philly GM really liquored-up and trade him Gardener for Simon. ;)
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