Waiting Game

[joethefan]

Hey gang: It 's been a while since I've shared some JTF philosophy with you and I thought about this this morning.

In the past year I've read and heard how fans are behind Ramsey. Now it seems some are jumping towards Campbell...and the so called Buzz in the NFL is that Campbell has looked good in the Rookie camp. It seems to me that the majority of fans want Ramsey to be successful not for his personal success, but for the success of the team. (at least I am).

I just hope that we as fans will be smart about how we handle our new First round QB..unlike SS sending Ramsey to the wolves and ultimatly proving that the Marriage between Ramsey and SS's offense didn't work.

I just hope that we can give JC the same amount of time to respond as we did Ramsey. Remember the "he's young, give him time, he's needs time to mature" sayings, many of you were saying about Ramsey. This is his fourth year and he still hasn't come around yet. Hopefully it'll be this year, but if not, let's not be so quick to throw Campbell to the Lions. We don't want to create another Ramsey, SS situation. To me, he has really nothing to lose even though he's a first round pick. It's my hope that we give him the same amount of time to mature as we did Ramsey...Are you prepared to wait? or if Ramsey fails, are you ready to throw him to the beasts? I say I'm prepared to wait.

I do hope that this offense gets fixed this year regardless who's the QB.
It's just my hope that when Campbell does take over the helm, that we'll give him the same amount of respect and time as we're doing with Ramsey. Remember the ship is Ramsey's right now, and I do wish him well, until he proves otherwise.

[Patrick]

I do hope that this offense gets fixed this year regardless who's the QB.
It's just my hope that when Campbell does take over the helm, that we'll give him the same amount of respect and time as we're doing with Ramsey. Remember the ship is Ramsey's right now, and I do wish him well, until he proves otherwise.

As much as some complain about Patrick - I think the majority want to see him do well because they know that IF Ramsey is doing well then, the offense IS working. AND that should translate into WINS!!!!

[joethefan]

As much as some complain about Patrick - I think the majority want to see him do well because they know that IF Ramsey is doing well then, the offense IS working. AND that should translate into WINS!!!!

HEy Patrick Remember it the Draft party when we were on the clock and we were trying to figure out who will we take...and I said to you "We might take Campbell!!" And you shrugged your shoulders...That was funny

[frenchskinsfan]

I've always been behind Ramsey and will be as long as he's a Redskin. I'm already behind J Campbell and will be as long as he's a Redskin. I'm still behind M Brunell and will be as long as he's a Redskin.
The problem is I'm sure Ramsey and Campbell are there to be core Redskins, they get the money, yeah, but they play with pride and a true will to win games ; On the other hand, I'm not sure exactly why Brunell came here to play. I have a strange feeling he was by far more attracted by Danny's dollars than by the proudness to play in burgundy and gold. Therefor I'm still behind him because he's under contract and may play again next year (then he'll need a big support to get enough confidence to complete at least short passes), but I wonder if he's still a core Redskin though.

[Patrick]

HEy Patrick Remember it the Draft party when we were on the clock and we were trying to figure out who will we take...and I said to you "We might take Campbell!!" And you shrugged your shoulders...That was funny

Yep - with all the speculation, there was a good chance that you were going to be right - AND you were. Fortunately I was pretty numb about that time, so it was allot easier to bare the news.

[redskin_rich]

Well two things Ramsey had going against him won't be a problem for Campbell.
1. As a rookie, Patrick was the best QB on the roster which included Shane Matthews and Danny Wuerful.
2. Ramsey was trying to run an unproven offense, which has now been proven to not work in the NFL.

Gibbs has always been able to get the most out of his QB's and he won't rush them into action. I'm hoping Ramsey has a good year and Campbell sits and learns. We have made quite an investment in JC, so he needs to be our future.

[Dept_of_Defense]

This has to be Ram's breakout year. He's gotta prove that he's a first round pick and can lead a team to a winning record. With the consistency established over the offseason, and Ramsey already named the starter, he should have a good year (barring an injury).
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[NamVet4]

As much as some complain about Patrick - I think the majority want to see him do well because they know that IF Ramsey is doing well then, the offense IS working. AND that should translate into WINS!!!!
C'mon guys...Patrick connected the dots for you....
Patrick Ramsey does well -> Offense excells -> Team wins !!!!!
Now all we need is for that to happen! :)


(Campbell does well on the sidelines during his first year . . . Then next offseason we can all fret over the QB controversy - after a winning season! )

[jhugg]

As much as some complain about Patrick - I think the majority want to see him do well because they know that IF Ramsey is doing well then, the offense IS working. AND that should translate into WINS!!!!


agreed

[The Skinsinator]

If Campbell is to be the incumbent or not it is much wiser for him to learn and wait this year. This has been proven time and time again the league. Gibbs knows this. Ramsey has all the motivation in the world to play very well the next couple of years. Anyone ever thought of this:

What if Patrick Ramsey does tear it up the next couple of years (ala Drew Brees) what do we do with Campbell?

This isnt as farfetched as we think and then we have a great problem. This is the best case scenario.

[COUNCILMAN]

Well, I don't think its a question of whether Campbell will start because he won't. I think Joe Gibbs is planning for the Redskins future in case Ramsey gets hurt or has a bad year.

Just think of it like this: if Patrick has a bad year and Joe Gibbs won't leave until the Skins are restored to a winning record, then next year Gibbs would be stuck with a rookie QB and a rebuilding program next year. At least this way, if the Skins get bogged down this year...Campbell might see a few reps and then next year the rebuilding can begin but without a rookie at QB.

[smoak]

I completely agree councilman.

I've said all along that Campbell isn't here to replace Ramsey.... he is here to replace Brunell.

If Ramsey comes out fired up and leads us to the SuperBowl, then we have a capable backup to groom. If Ramsey is good, but still leaves somthing to be desired, then there we have some competition. If Ramsey flops complpetely, then Campbell/a veteran FA will compete for the job.

I think it is really smart to get the QB position in order sooner rather than later. If we stuck with Hass and Brunell, and Ramsey was horrible.... we could potentially need three new starters.

[bwparker]

You don't have to worry about me waiting for Campbell. I'm STILL waiting for Ramsey, I think any screw ups in the first 3 years of a QB are completely neglegible. I have expected growing pains from Ramsey(as I will from Campbell) and have gotten EXACTLY that. THIS coming year, his fourth year, I expect much more solid performance out of him.

Campbell will get the same treatment from me, he has untill year 4 before I expect ANYTHING above sub-par performance.


BTW...I know you already know this JTF, but you said:

"This is his fourth year and he still hasn't come around yet."

Remember...he hasn't begun his fourth year yet. So thats a little misleading.

[smoak]

I agre BW. I think Ramsey has shown enough that if he cuts down on turnovers, he can be a very good starting QB in this league. We'll see how he matures in his decision making in '05.

[Ohiofan]

I would not think that you would want campbell to be treated the same way Ramsey has been treated on this board. I would think you would want eveybody puling for him.

[skins111111]

IMO- Ram should blossom with our healthy upgraded O-Line, new weapons and tweaked system, He did not to shabby in the last 5 games he played so with these positive changes it just seems logical he will have a great year.
That would be a dito for 2006 the final year of his contract. After that who knows with Campbell waiting in the wings a decision will have to be made and it looks like only good things can come out of it. :)

[bwparker]

I agre BW. I think Ramsey has shown enough that if he cuts down on turnovers, he can be a very good starting QB in this league. We'll see how he matures in his decision making in '05.
Exactly, I've seen the physical tools, work ethic, growth and adaptability I want out of Ramsey these first couple of years. But play time is over and All bets are off, now he has to bring it all together, make it pay off and start to lead this team to victories. I think he can do it, but the question remains...WILL he?

[MONK_in_HOF]

I admire Ramsey, the man has huge stones. He has taken a pounding since being a Skin and has always bounced back and kept trying. I don't see him getting happy feet like so many other QB or sliding in the pocket ala Jeff George. He has also faced a lot of criticism from the fans. He just needs to play smarter, get a little time from his O line, and have his WR catch the ball and he should be alright. Hopefully w/ jansen back and raback on board he will have a little help to offset his lack of mobility.

[LATrueRedskin]

The only positive I can see about Jason Campbell is that we have an opportunity to bring him up right. Ramsey was probably brought up as bad as a Quarterback can be, with different coaches, offensive philosophies, starting-then-sitting-then-starting-then-sitting...Ramsey is screwed. We have a good chance to successfully bring up a QB, let's not screw it up by thinking Campbell will be able to play this year.

[bantu]

This will be Ramsey's fourth season in the league and you would thnk by now we would have a stronger grasp of what kind of player he really is. But how can we?? His rookie year he share's starts with Danny AWFUL and Shane Mathhews. His second year he starts the majority of the games; however, he gets injured as everyone knew he would from that fantastic protection in the SS scheme. Last year he doesn't play until game ten when he should have been inserted by the Green Bay game.

[RedskinRyan]

so this means this really is patrick's first chance to show what he can do as a starter. i know we all had high expectations during spurrier's 2nd year, but the fact was that it was also ramsey's 2nd year also. as long as patrick starts around 12 games this year, we will see what we have in him.

[greatest2]

Well, I don't think its a question of whether Campbell will start because he won't. I think Joe Gibbs is planning for the Redskins future in case Ramsey gets hurt or has a bad year.

Just think of it like this: if Patrick has a bad year and Joe Gibbs won't leave until the Skins are restored to a winning record, then next year Gibbs would be stuck with a rookie QB and a rebuilding program next year. At least this way, if the Skins get bogged down this year...Campbell might see a few reps and then next year the rebuilding can begin but without a rookie at QB.



what makes a rookie a rookie. Yea campbell may know the offense better then a pure rookie, but he still doesn't know the speed of the nfl, the hard hitting, the pressure of every play. I agree, he won't be a pure rookie, but he will be pretty damn close.

Once he learns the speed of the game (from playing in games) then the knowledge he gained from sitting on the bench will come out, but not until then. I call him a rookie until he has 16 games under his belt!!

:devil2:

[smoak]

what makes a rookie a rookie. Yea campbell may know the offense better then a pure rookie, but he still doesn't know the speed of the nfl, the hard hitting, the pressure of every play. I agree, he won't be a pure rookie, but he will be pretty damn close.

Once he learns the speed of the game (from playing in games) then the knowledge he gained from sitting on the bench will come out, but not until then. I call him a rookie until he has 16 games under his belt!!

:devil2:

I completely agree. See for me, each QB is different. Coaches have to know if the rookie is capable of handling the action as a rookie (Big Ben, Tom Brady, etc.) or if they need a year on sidelines. It is a case by case basis, but I think you err towards the side of throwing them in there.