Holdman

[ItchySkin]

Can Warrick Holdman play MLB? ... I heard we signed him.

[C-7]

Who the heck is Holdman? :whoknows:

[Chief Redskin]

Redskins.com says that Holdman can play all three linebacker positions.

[ItchySkin]

He's a FA LB from the bears or was it browns :lol1:

[gibbsisgod]

ya we wanted him last year but got away the deal will be out on thurs i have the article but no link

[MoeRedskins]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7057

link

[RedskinsVision]

he's a good player and will add nice depth. Blache and Lindsay have coached him before and we wanted him last year so this is a good move. he's a good insurance for Arrington and might be looked at for MLB.

[C-7]

He's a FA LB from the bears or was it browns :lol1:


Is he any good?

[cmdlost29]

"We tried to sign Warrick [in 2004] and he wound up going to Cleveland," Gibbs said. "We've added a veteran guy with a lot of experience. With Warrick and Brian Allen, we've added two veteran guys at the linebacker spot. So we'll announce that [agreement] on Thursday."

Ok so the Redskins.com website leaked this on purpose on Wednesday before any other media organization could? Sneaky sneaky, but hell makes for more hits on Redskins.com that's for sure :lol1:

Oh and about this signing, I'm cool with it but damn if I wished it were about a new WR we were bringing in, or some offense line help, or basically any other position other then LB. We've got enough of those right now I think where we don't have enough of others to my liking.

Welcome to Redskin country Holdman, what took you so long?

[smoak]

He was pretty good at one point, but why did he become available after only one year? I really didn't hear anything about him in '04?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

good lord, how many LBs do we have now? i actually like this signing though. holdman is a decent player IMO and obviously the coaching staff has been after for a while now.

[camasterton]

What a great, under the radar pickup. I trust the FO is evaluating a DE or two and a RB unless the backfield draft picks are expected to shine!

[RedskinsVision]

Is he any good?

he's been solid.. 424 tackles in 75 games over 6 years. that's over 5.5 tackles a game. been a starter for most of his career but will be a backup and ST's guy here i presume.. and knows our coaches.

[smoak]

Most linebackers ever.

LaVar Arrington
Marcus Washington
Lemar Marshall
Brian Allen
Robert McCune
Warrick Holdman
Chris Clemons
Mike Barrow
Jared Newberry
Khary Campbell
Clifton Smith
Joe Tuipala
Zak Keasey
Brandon Barnes

I was really looking forward to seeing some of the young guys get a chance to make the team, but it doesn't look like it. I also have to think we are not confident Barrow will play at this point.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Most linebackers ever.

I also have to think we are not confident Barrow will play at this point.

I get the feeling Barrow isn't healthy and/or will be June 1 cut.

[greatest2]

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7057

thats the link to the signing.

Not many people knew about Marcus Washington either, but that turned out pretty good :rolleyes:

I am really excited for Holdman to be on the team, from the games i have seen him play, he is a beast. My starters at LB (4 3 defense) would be Arrington Washington and Holdman in the middle. KNowledge with Greg Blache (SP) hopefully he can kept up with GW's complicated schemes.

I'm tellin' you guys, like when i said we would be totally fine when barrow couldn't play, HOLDMAN IS A BEAST.

more LB's the better, need help on pass rush
GW is setting up for arrington rushing the passer from the DE position on 3rd downs and clemons as well rushing, look for MCCune to help out

THIS SIGN IS KEY

[MoeRedskins]

Most linebackers ever.

LaVar Arrington
Marcus Washington
Lemar Marshall
Brian Allen
Robert McCune
Warrick Holdman
Chris Clemons
Mike Barrow
Jared Newberry
Khary Campbell
Clifton Smith
Joe Tuipala
Zak Keasey
Brandon Barnes

I was really looking forward to seeing some of the young guys get a chance to make the team, but it doesn't look like it. I also have to think we are not confident Barrow will play at this point.

Out of that list Lavar, Marcus, Lemar, , Holdman, and McCune are definates to make the roster, so that means there is 2 spots open for 9 guys.

[redskin_rich]

This is a good signing, Holdman is very solid and at the least this greatly improves our depth.
There will be quite a competition this pre-season at the LB spot, should make for some good hits and entertaining viewing for us.

[thecheat48]

Out of that list Lavar, Marcus, Lemar, , Holdman, and McCune are definates to make the roster, so that means there is 2 spots open for 9 guys.

Damn. Too many LBs i want to keep. Khary should be good coming back. Clemons came on strong at the end of last season. Spent a draft pick on Newberry. Dont want to give up on Barrow yet.

Any guesses on who the skins keep?

[Ramsey2Moss]

Good signing. Barrow is gone.
Holdman COULD play MLB, but I think he will be used as a OLB when Arrington and/or Washington line up at DE. Marshall or McCune will play MLB for us.

[redskin_rich]

Damn. Too many LBs i want to keep. Khary should be good coming back. Clemons came on strong at the end of last season. Spent a draft pick on Newberry. Dont want to give up on Barrow yet.

Any guesses on who the skins keep?
They will find a way to keep Clemons, even if they have to use a DE spot. Newberry will find a spot somewhere. I think Barnes and Campbell are the guys that are on the bubble and of the rest maybe one makes the PS, the rest will be gone.

[The Skinsinator]

Good signing. Barrow is gone.
Holdman COULD play MLB, but I think he will be used as a OLB when Arrington and/or Washington line up at DE. Marshall or McCune will play MLB for us.

I also anticipate to see him at the outside linebacker position based of his size. I believe this signing will make the linebackers and quarterbacks the most interesting unit battles come training camp.

[Ramsey2Moss]

Damn. Too many LBs i want to keep. Khary should be good coming back. Clemons came on strong at the end of last season. Spent a draft pick on Newberry. Dont want to give up on Barrow yet.

Any guesses on who the skins keep?
Arrington
Washington
Marshall (starting three)

Holdman
McCune
Newberry
Clemmons
Allen

Campbell goes on PS
everyone else is cut.

[LATrueRedskin]

I think maybe we just signed our starting LB.

[D-Ruck #8]

LONG LIVE McCUNE!!!

[IowaSkinsFan]

Last year before we signed Marcus Washington, it was basically narrowed down to those two players, Holdman and Washington. I would be willing to bet anyone good on research around here, like akhhorus, can probably dig up a thread where I advocated signing him.

[colkurtz]

This is just ANOTHER indication that Barrows will not be coming back...........

[SonnyandSam]

Last year, we were very hot on Holdman's trail until the Browns bought him. We were after him before going after Washington as I recall.

My bet is Holdman will be groomed for middle linebacker. He is TOO GOOD to be a backup or ST player only.

My guess is Barrow's MRI was not so good and there is great doubt about his return.

Since we do not have any stellar DE, it is quite possible one or two backup DE positions may go to linebacker....e.g. Clemons

[IowaSkinsFan]

This is just ANOTHER indication that Barrows will not be coming back...........

I think you are right on the money with that assessment. Lemar Marshall played too good to be on the sideline this year.

But then again, Holdman may be insurance in case Arrington or Washington get hurt, as we have lost some depth with Pierce flying the coop.

[redwolf1218]

LaVar Arrington
Marcus Washington
Lemar Marshall
Brian Allen
Warrick Holdman
Robert McCune
Jared Newberry
Zak Keasey

its gonna come down to speed, intelligence, character and veteran leadership.
the top 6 make the team the last 2 go to the practice squad.

[IowaSkinsFan]

its gonna come down to speed, intelligence, character and veteran leadership.
the top 6 make the team the last 2 go to the practice squad.

We've got to fit Chris Clemons in there somehow, he is the best pass rusher of the group, something we sorely need, unless you think he will be listed as a DE?

[GolfFreak]

Interesting move, how many LBs do we have now??

[tmac19]

He was pretty good at one point, but why did he become available after only one year? I really didn't hear anything about him in '04?

redskins.com said something about him being shipped out because of the new coaching staff in cleveland

[vegeta2364]

This is how I see it...

Arrington
Holdman
Washington
Clemons
McCune
Marshall
Brian Allen
Khary Campbell

this leaves ..

3 - QB

3 - RB
3 - TE
4 - OT
4 - OG
5 - WRs
2 - C

4 - DE
4- DT
5- CB
2 - FS
3 - SS
8 - LB

Tom Tupa
Ethan Albright
John Hall

WE need to eidt this some to get Antonio Brown and James Thrash in there but I m sure we could go 2 QB 4 CB or 2 SS or something like that..

[vegeta2364]

Opps I forgot about Chris Cooley and Mike Sellers.. we will have a tough training camp .. sheez..

[redwolf1218]

We've got to fit Chris Clemons in there somehow, he is the best pass rusher of the group, something we sorely need, unless you think he will be listed as a DE?
Does he have any practice squab eligibility left? The reason i listed McCune on the roster is because i think some team would claim him off our practice squad. No one would notice Clemons (IMO). I like Warner and Evans, and i think they saw more time on the field than Clemons last year, so those are the guys he has to beat, IMO. I think Warner makes it, so it would be between Evans and Clemons, as D-ends, and that is behind Daniels and Wynn. I dont think Wynn gets cut since he restructured and he's huge and stuffs the run and can play tackle if needed, and Warner showed flashes of production at end in limited playing time. Ryan Boschetti may be the odd man out here.

[thecheat48]

Does he have any practice squab eligibility left? The reason i listed McCune on the roster is because i think some team would claim him off our practice squad. No one would notice Clemons (IMO). I like Warner and Evans, and i think they saw more time on the field than Clemons last year, so those are the guys he has to beat, IMO. I think Warner makes it, so it would be between Evans and Clemons, as D-ends, and that is behind Daniels and Wynn. I dont think Wynn gets cut since he restructured and he's huge and stuffs the run and can play tackle if needed, and Warner showed flashes of production at end in limited playing time. Ryan Boschetti may be the odd man out here.

I really think the skins should keep Clemmons. I hope they do.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

This is gonna get real sticky in training camp. This may be one of the most competative camps in a long time I bet it makes for good depth and good hustle though..May the best man win.

[PSUredskins]

Ok so definites are Arrington and washington. they are starters if they can and everyone else fills in.

Next we have the Marshall, McCune, Holdman as the first people and the best chances at starting MLB. I know like 2 years ago holdman was a top tier LB...i found him on madden, decent stats...then saw him back it up on the field in real life. I love this pick up. I think holdman starts MLB. then we have Marshall and McCune stepping in during different packages. I think we will see 3rd downs with clemons and arrington as the DE's, Griffin in the middle, washington holdman marshall as the LB, then a backfield with Rogers, Springs, Taylor, Bowen, Harris....that is just sick.

[suppitty]

Fantastic signing! Along with Mccune the Redskins have done 2 things this offseason I agree with now.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

Ok so definites are Arrington and washington. they are starters if they can and everyone else fills in.

Next we have the Marshall, McCune, Holdman as the first people and the best chances at starting MLB. I know like 2 years ago holdman was a top tier LB...i found him on madden, decent stats...then saw him back it up on the field in real life. I love this pick up. I think holdman starts MLB. then we have Marshall and McCune stepping in during different packages. I think we will see 3rd downs with clemons and arrington as the DE's, Griffin in the middle, washington holdman marshall as the LB, then a backfield with Rogers, Springs, Taylor, Bowen, Harris....that is just sick.
Thats all speed baby...it would probably have to be 3rd and long though all those guys are light in the britches for some run stopping.

[skinsfan36]

i think that they probably are going to reach an injury settlemnet w/barrow and he may come back next year or retire. holdman could end up being our mlb

[skinfanatic]

barrows got to be gone due to medical reasons. also, with all the lbs, williams is going to institute a 1 - 6 offense. griffen as the lone dline and all of our lbs. then its blitzburg. i guess upgrading our special teams was one of our top priorities.
all that aside, i think holdman was a solid pickup. not great, not bad, but good and solid.

[Redskin006]

Here's how I see it:

(In order from starter to back up)

WLB: Lavar Arrington, Lemar Marshall, Chris Clemons

SLB: Marcus Washington, Brian Allen, Jared Newberry

MLB: Warrick Holdman, Robert McCune, and Khary Campbell

PS: Brandon Barnes

I would definitely say we have a hell of a good set of linebackers, plus a ton of depth at each linebacker position.

[Skinz4lyfe]

I was excited to find out about this signing. I didn't even realize that he was available. I too was wanting to sign him last year, but was happy that we got Marcus Washington. IMO, this is another indication that Barrow will not return one way or another. He did have the MRI and should have started running but according to Redskins.com the doctors want him to strengthen the knee first. He's been strengthening the knee for the past year now. I don't have confidence in his return and I doubt the FO does as well, hence all the LBs currently on the roster. should be good competition heading into training camp.

[CowboyKilla]

LineBackers: Arrington, Washington, Marshall, Holdman. Primary Four.
Mccune, Campbell, Clifton Smith. Backups.

Practice squad: Keasey, Newberry.

Warrick can play..... good pickup. You can never have enough good players.

[Patrick]

I think some of you are forgetting one thing ..... Besides Barrows, LA is NOT 100% yet either AND maybe having more of a problem than we know about (I'm crossing my finger in hopes that IS NOT the case....but).

Holdman is a very good pickup because he's a multi-position LB. ...... I agree this is going to be a very competitive camp for the linebackers. Washington is the ONLY one at this point I'd say is a sure thing. ..... I know I KNOW - LAVAR, but as I said - he's not 100% - YET and until then we can count on him being in the starting lineup (remember last season - right)..... AND for those who think that McCune is a "Sure-thing" - don't get TOO excited. Yeah, I agree, he looks awesome but he's got to be able to grasb Coach Williams defensive scheme. ....... Don't get me wrong, I like this kid BUT we are just coming off a mini-camp and the coaching staff still felt a need to pickup another LB - that tells me something.

[Chief Redskin]

I have talked to some friends who are Bears fans and they say that Holdman's knees are shot. Holdman played for the Bears a couple of years ago and had several problems with his knees. They said that he would be a good pickup if it is a one year deal, but a waste of money if it is anything longer.

[Redskin-4-life]

People also said that Trotter's knees were shot, and look what he was able to do. The team is picking up alot of LBs, is it possible that they may be thinking about putting in some 3-4 packages if not switching? At first I thought that this wasn't an option, but with the signing of Holdman, I think its a possiblity. Holdman IMO is a very solid LB and a starter. But this can also mean that Barrow days here are numbered.

[Chief Redskin]

I remember Giants fans telling me that Barrow's knees were shot and look what happened. The Skins really do not need another aging, banged-up linebacker unless it is a one year deal.

[NamVet4]

As Brother Patrick said, this many LB's in camp means most likely that Barrow will be gone - shame he never perfromed as a Redskin - Arrington is suspect and will be until I see him on the field. The pickup after minicamp tells us all something. The Coaching staff is not yet happy with the players - I agree we need a very competitive camp. I'm just concerned that there won't be time for a strong competition based on Coach Gibbs remarks about starting camp late...

[joethefan]

I think some of you are forgetting one thing ..... Besides Barrows, LA is NOT 100% yet either AND maybe having more of a problem than we know about (I'm crossing my finger in hopes that IS NOT the case....but).

Holdman is a very good pickup because he's a multi-position LB. ...... I agree this is going to be a very competitive camp for the linebackers. Washington is the ONLY one at this point I'd say is a sure thing. ..... I know I KNOW - LAVAR, but as I said - he's not 100% - YET and until then we can count on him being in the starting lineup (remember last season - right)..... AND for those who think that McCune is a "Sure-thing" - don't get TOO excited. Yeah, I agree, he looks awesome but he's got to be able to grasb Coach Williams defensive scheme. ....... Don't get me wrong, I like this kid BUT we are just coming off a mini-camp and the coaching staff still felt a need to pickup another LB - that tells me something.

Good post and once again I agree....

[Dept_of_Defense]

Most linebackers ever.

LaVar Arrington
Marcus Washington
Lemar Marshall
Brian Allen
Robert McCune
Warrick Holdman
Chris Clemons
Mike Barrow
Jared Newberry
Khary Campbell
Clifton Smith
Joe Tuipala
Zak Keasey
Brandon Barnes

I was really looking forward to seeing some of the young guys get a chance to make the team, but it doesn't look like it. I also have to think we are not confident Barrow will play at this point.
Yeah really. We have a lot of LB's.
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[Redskinmayhem]

A few years ago, Chicago had a very feared LB corps. You know who it consisted of? Urlacher, Roosevelt Colvin, Holdman. Holdman was a very solid LB. He's not quite the athlete Marcus W. is but a hell of player none the less. I think he was brought in for the 3-4 packages. Alos, don't rule out the possibility of him being cut in august. This is the NFL. No matter how good you were a few years ago, if you don't perform now, your gone. We have alot of young talent. We'll hopefully see some good competition in camp.

[redwolf1218]

Holdman is only 29 years old and he played in every game last season. he could have a few good years left.

[Chief Redskin]

I am very concerned about Holdman's health. Does anyone know what the Skins signed him for? I like him as a back-up or maybe a possible fill for the MLB position, but I do not think he is a guy that should be on the roster two years from now.

[PennSkinsFan]

LineBackers: Arrington, Washington, Marshall, Holdman. Primary Four.
Mccune, Campbell, Clifton Smith. Backups.

Practice squad: Keasey, Newberry.

Warrick can play..... good pickup. You can never have enough good players.

I think this is a great group of Linebackers. There is a good mix of veteran and youthful presence. I woudl nto count out McCune as being in that primary bunch yet. Something tells me he is going to make a huge push to start in the Middle.

[redskinz#1fan]

This seems like a very good pickup to me. We have a lot of LB's currently on the roster, so this should make for an interesting traing camp. We should have plenty of talent and depth come the start of the season. I wonder which LB's will be getting cut.

[Redskinfan28]

Good pickup.

I think the starters next year may be Washington (OLB), Holdman (MLB), and Arrington (OLB).

Barrow will likely be cut after June 1. Clifton Smith's time with the Redskins may be over.

Marshall, McCune and Allen will make the active roster as backups and to play Special Teams. Clemons could be added to this list if he plays ST.

[S.Taylor36]

With all these linebackers I'm wondering why we don't make a run at Peter Boulware.

[gbalzac]

I am very concerned about Holdman's health. Does anyone know what the Skins signed him for? I like him as a back-up or maybe a possible fill for the MLB position, but I do not think he is a guy that should be on the roster two years from now.
Why are you concerened about his health?

[sgurg]

This signing is another indication to me that Gibbs is trying to emulate the Patriots. They have had great depth at linebacker since they began their run a few years ago. Good move IMO.

[GMUskinsfan]

I hate to say it but definetly a bad sign for barrow. I think holdman can come in and do work just like pierce did. We don't need another star (boulware) and we can't afford one. We need a workhorse veteran who will do his job and not cause trouble. Holdman seems to fill the spot since i guess barrow's recovery isn't on schedule. Whether holdman starts i think depends on how hard these young guys push nobody's guarenteed a starting spot on this team.

[Chief Redskin]

Holdman tore his knee a couple of years ago in Chicago and many think that he isn't the same player any more. I like him on the Skins this year, but he will not be a guy that lasts too long. I hope we signed him cheap.

This is from an article I found:

Warrick Holdman UFA Browns – He looked to be one of the rising stars in the league through the first three years of his six-year career. However, Holdman suffered a knee injury early in the 2002 season and hasn’t been the same since then. He is known as a good coverage linebacker who is good against the run but he’s not as explosive as he once was in that area.

[BurgundyAndGold]

I have no emotion invested in Barrow, so if he goes because Holdman is that good, so be it. Whatever is best for the team is king. Barrow hasn't played a down for Washington, all he's done is collected a paycheck for 1+ year.

If he can't get himself in the war he needs to go out the door.

[The Skinsinator]

I think this is a great group of Linebackers. There is a good mix of veteran and youthful presence. I woudl nto count out McCune as being in that primary bunch yet. Something tells me he is going to make a huge push to start in the Middle.

Totally agree. How good does Arrington, Washington, and McCune sound as the starting linebackers? That is the nastiest most talented set of starters we could have even after acquiring Holdman. If there is a better set of linebackers in the league I have yet to see it.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I'm thrilled about this... We wanted this guy last year, and he can be a great player... Lindsey knows him from Chicago, so this cannot turn out ugly (despite injuries obviously).

Great job FO!

[redwolf1218]

With a new coaching staff in place in Cleveland, Holdman's future was in doubt after last season. He was released by the Browns on Feb. 23.

i'm excited about this signing, but i'm also i'm curious why he's been out of work since Feb. 23.

[SonnyandSam]

I don't think Holdman's knee injury is a serious concern. Most football players who sustain a major knee injury take two season to return to their former selves. Heck, look at Trotter. His first year back after the ACL reconstruction he was average at best. He played like his old self in Philly last year.

Holdman had a good, not great, year last year for Cleveland; His first year with a new defensive coordinator with one of the worst defenses in the league.

I'll go with Blache and Lindsey on this one. They know him and wanted him pretty bad last year. Worst case is he provides excellent depth on the LB core. Best case, he becomes another Antonio Pierce.

[SonnyandSam]

Totally agree. How good does Arrington, Washington, and McCune sound as the starting linebackers? That is the nastiest most talented set of starters we could have even after acquiring Holdman. If there is a better set of linebackers in the league I have yet to see it.

I know people are excited about McCune but I'm holding judgement until I see him against some professional competition. Don't hand him the job yet. Marshal played very well all last year filling in for LaVar. McCune has a long way to go to win a roster spot let alone the starting MLB spot.

[Patrick]

I know people are excited about McCune but I'm holding judgement until I see him against some professional competition. Don't hand him the job yet. Marshal played very well all last year filling in for LaVar. McCune has a long way to go to win a roster spot let alone the starting MLB spot.

Exactly - Some here are looking at a picture and going "WOW - ALL PRO" (I know - but you know what I mean) and the kid hasn't even stepped on the playing field yet (minicamp doesn't count). ........ He's GOT to earn his position!!!!!!

[LATrueRedskin]

Totally agree. How good does Arrington, Washington, and McCune sound as the starting linebackers? That is the nastiest most talented set of starters we could have even after acquiring Holdman. If there is a better set of linebackers in the league I have yet to see it.

I don't see how McCune could possibly be a candidate for the starting position. He was a 5th round pick and has yet to play an NFL game, much less practice against NFL veterans. We have much better players, with NFL experience, who could step in and play the position well (Michael freakin' Barrow comes to mind - I consider him the starter until I hear otherwise). Holdman only adds to that. I think he can play the position just as well as Marshall can. It'll be a good competition in camp.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

holdman is a good pickup guys, very nice

[aprius]

Holdman is a very good pickup and it gets rid of Barrow.
I dont worry about injury with him.
I think Gibbs learned his lesson with Barrow.
The coaches know this guy and know how to get the best from him.
I know he will be a great addition to our corps.
I dont think any team in football can match our LB's.

[portis2endzone]

this guy looks like a solid pickup. they got him under the radar. i read somewhere this guy was cut in feb. gibbs and co. must of wanted to wait untill after the results from barrow's check up. his checkup must not of been that good so they signed this guy.

[DEskinsFAN]

From what i can see, its a good pickup for depth and special teams. I'm gonna hold off on my final judgement until I see the contract numbers.

[gibbs!we!trust!]

I hope this doesn't hurt Robert McCune getting on the field. :banghead:

[Death_Venom]

So far Holdman looks like a decent pickup-as someone said before hopefully the contract is not too massive.......

[STaylor36boom]

What does this mean for Barrow?

[lavarsamonster]

What does this mean for Barrow?


it will depend on his knee and health if hes healthy i think he starts

[Auskin]

Barrow will be cut. He's taking up a roster spot aswell as money in our cap. We need to use both more productively.

[SonnyandSam]

Holdman is a very good pickup and it gets rid of Barrow.
I dont worry about injury with him.
I think Gibbs learned his lesson with Barrow.
The coaches know this guy and know how to get the best from him.
I know he will be a great addition to our corps.
I dont think any team in football can match our LB's.

What lesson? One of the big reasons they signed Barrow was that he had NO history of injury or missing games. The guy has the reputation of keeping his body in better shape than virtually any other player in the league.

The problem with tendonitis is it can go away in a few days or stay with you for life. I had tendonitis in my elbow a several years ago and it was incredibly painful. Couldn't bend my arm for a week. My elbow hasn't hurt since then....ever.

Heck, Holdman had surgery on a bad knee a few years ago. Barrow's never had surgery.

[SonnyandSam]

I hope this doesn't hurt Robert McCune getting on the field. :banghead:

Keep your eye on the special teams. If you see him with the first team defense, then you better be worried....because injuries have hit Lavar and Marcus and whoever starts in the middle.....

[Cali Skins Fan]

Most linebackers ever.

LaVar Arrington
Marcus Washington
Lemar Marshall
Brian Allen
Robert McCune
Warrick Holdman
Chris Clemons
Mike Barrow
Jared Newberry
Khary Campbell
Clifton Smith
Joe Tuipala
Zak Keasey
Brandon Barnes




Can any of these guys move to DE?

[PennSkinsFan]

Can any of these guys move to DE?

I actually think were fine at DE this season. We were fine last year with Daniels injured, but he his back along with Wynn, Evans, and Warner. Ideal? No. Doable? Yes. They were all serviceable and Wynn even produced his best season as a Skin last year. May have something to do with the system and these guys fitting in the roles very well.

[Redskin006]

arrington is probably the most capable, but would probably be the least willing.

[darksome]

I hope this doesn't hurt Robert McCune getting on the field. :banghead:

I am beginning to think that it is a stretch to get McCune at MLB this season. You really have to know what you are doing mentally. At least AP proved that. He definitely looks the part, but a rookie running our packages, as sophisticated as those blitzs are, I can't see it.

That is why Lemar or Holdman may very well end up with it if Barrow (wince) can't go. But if him and Gibbs (Barrow) had a good talk, AND he has changed his number is any indication, he will be on the field.

[FanFromArizona]

"Instead, Barrow sat out all season with acute tendinitis in his knee, and Gibbs revealed yesterday that the 35-year-old still hasn't recovered. According to the report, he's a half-inch off," Gibbs said, referring to the circumference of Barrow's thigh. "

I can only conclude by this signing that we have found his replacement in Holdman.

"By waiting until June 1 to release Barrow, the Redskins could save $1.74 million against the cap.....Washington needs several million dollars of cap space to sign first-round draft picks Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell, and getting rid of wide receiver Rod Gardner (a $2.1 million savings) might not be enough. "

Between cap savings and roster spot, Barrow's days are numbered.
As the saying goes, "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say it" and I think that Gibbs is doing just that.

[darksome]

"Instead, Barrow sat out all season with acute tendinitis in his knee, and Gibbs revealed yesterday that the 35-year-old still hasn't recovered. According to the report, he's a half-inch off," Gibbs said, referring to the circumference of Barrow's thigh. "

I can only conclude by this signing that we have found his replacement in Holdman.

"By waiting until June 1 to release Barrow, the Redskins could save $1.74 million against the cap.....Washington needs several million dollars of cap space to sign first-round draft picks Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell, and getting rid of wide receiver Rod Gardner (a $2.1 million savings) might not be enough. "

Between cap savings and roster spot, Barrow's days are numbered.
As the saying goes, "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say it" and I think that Gibbs is doing just that.

Hmmm...judging from that, I would think it reasonable to assume that his days are numbered. Ergo, his jersey isn't!

Psst! McCune - #58 is up for grabs again! Gotta wait til June though.

[portis2endzone]

where is the link that you got this from?

so barrow is gone june 1st.

[FanFromArizona]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/sports/20050511-115159-3620r.htm

You need to read down a bit in the article to see it. Although this is a WT article, I will tend to believe it because the quote comes from Gibbs, our trusted and beloved leader, and in conjunction with this signing, you can see the writing on the wall for Barrow.

[The Iceman]

i hope that barrow gets better and continues to improve his knee, but if not, i'm sure that greg williams can get the most out the talent that warrick holdman has. nice pickup, but how can we carry this many LB's? if i'm not mistaken that gives us like 9 linebackers. is this wrong?

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I think that he adds even more depth at LB, we need it considering Barrow;s statis is so uncertain.
Plus he was coached before by our linebacker coach and he says he's a player. His best year was 2001 next to Urlacher in a 3-4.

[BurgundyNGold]

I think that he adds even more depth at LB, we need it considering Barrow;s statis is so uncertain.
Plus he was coached before by our linebacker coach and he says he's a player. His best year was 2001 next to Urlacher in a 3-4.
I thought that Urlacher was a MLB in a 4-3?

[PA Skins Girl]

I think they will keep 7 LB on the active roster:

Arrington
Marcus Washington
Holdman
McCune
Lemar Marshall
Chris Clemons
Clifton Smith

I think they will try to sign 2 LBs to the practice squad (assuming they clear waivers):
Jared Newberry
Zak Keasey

Say goodbye to:
Barrow
Khary Campbell (unfortunately)
Brian Barnes
Brian Allen
Joe Tuipala

[BurgundyNGold]

I think they will keep 7 LB on the active roster:

Arrington
Marcus Washington
Holdman
McCune
Lemar Marshall
Chris Clemons
Clifton Smith

I think they will try to sign 2 LBs to the practice squad (assuming they clear waivers):
Jared Newberry
Zak Keasey

Say goodbye to:
Barrow
Khary Campbell (unfortunately)
Brian Barnes
Brian Allen
Joe Tuipala
I agree PASG. The only difference that I might see happening is if they decide to keep Khary Campbell for his ST play and part ways with Clifton Smith.

[The Skinsinator]

Exactly - Some here are looking at a picture and going "WOW - ALL PRO" (I know - but you know what I mean) and the kid hasn't even stepped on the playing field yet (minicamp doesn't count). ........ He's GOT to earn his position!!!!!!

I never stated he was going to be all pro. Certainly hes go to earn his position. Everyone on this board knows he was a steal in the 5th rd and his physique/musularity is unparelled along with his raw talent/ability. To retierate I stated this would be the nastiest set of lbs. No indication of an all pro was discussed.

[The Skinsinator]

I agree PASG. The only difference that I might see happening is if they decide to keep Khary Campbell for his ST play and part ways with Clifton Smith.

It does appear that way. Interestingly enough many felt that Smith would be the incumbent for Pierce. Him or Marshall. He certainly has the size for mlb. The competition for lbs (and a roster spot) is going to be awesome come July.

[skins4life24]

I think that he adds even more depth at LB, we need it considering Barrow;s statis is so uncertain.
Plus he was coached before by our linebacker coach and he says he's a player. His best year was 2001 next to Urlacher in a 3-4.
the bears didn't play a 3-4 he was the SLB on the team when he played with the bears while Roosevelt Colvin played the WLB

[sdredskinsfan]

It does appear that way. Interestingly enough many felt that Smith would be the incumbent for Pierce. Him or Marshall. He certainly has the size for mlb. The competition for lbs (and a roster spot) is going to be awesome come July.

Exactly. This is the answer to those who criticize having too many lbs on the current roster.

[PennSkinsFan]

Linebacker and Safety are two of the best position to watch in TC '05. The Matt Bowen/Ryan Clark battle shoudl be pretty intense. Asd well as Clark played, I think you have to have Bowen earn the job back, which I am sure he will, but regardless, it will be a great camp battle. LB ios goinbg to be great as well. You literally have six distinct possibilities at MLB:

1. Washington moves to the Middle
2. Lemar Marshall who played well last season coming off a fresh new three year deal
3. Warrick Holdman now neters the realm of possibility
4. Robert McCune has to be considered an outside shot.
5. Clifton Smith is an outside shot.
5. Khary Campbell will get an opportunity

[redwolf1218]

i think Holdman wins the battle over Marshall to start in the middle.

[redskinz#1fan]

Linebacker and Safety are two of the best position to watch in TC '05. The Matt Bowen/Ryan Clark battle shoudl be pretty intense. Asd well as Clark played, I think you have to have Bowen earn the job back, which I am sure he will, but regardless, it will be a great camp battle. LB ios goinbg to be great as well. You literally have six distinct possibilities at MLB:

1. Washington moves to the Middle
2. Lemar Marshall who played well last season coming off a fresh new three year deal
3. Warrick Holdman now neters the realm of possibility
4. Robert McCune has to be considered an outside shot.
5. Clifton Smith is an outside shot.
5. Khary Campbell will get an opportunity

I really don't care who we have at MLB, because we have so much talent at LB that we should be ok regardless. I believe that it will come down to Marshall or Holdman, but hell who knows. We could all be surprised!! :)

[redwolf1218]

I really don't care who we have at MLB, because we have so much talent at LB that we should be ok regardless. I believe that it will come down to Marshall or Holdman, but hell who knows. We could all be surprised!! :)
McCune could suprise everyone. Injuries could always play a role in it too. I would like to see McCune on the field at some point this year, but hopefully not because of injuries.

[thecheat48]

McCune could suprise everyone. Injuries could always play a role in it too. I would like to see McCune on the field at some point this year, but hopefully not because of injuries.

I think MCcune will get a shot in camp just like everyone else, and I think he will be an impact player eventually. I have a good feeling about him on ST, but obviously Marshall and Holdman have the inside shot at the starting MLB job because of experience.

Despite his apparent downside when it comes to the "technical" aspects of being an MLB in GW's system, I think in the long run his leadership experience will only help him...

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

i think Holdman wins the battle over Marshall to start in the middle.
Assuming Barrow is healthy (I know it's kind of funny), I would put the list for MLB as this:

1. Barrow
2. Holdman
3. Marshall
4. McCune
5. Smith

[redwolf1218]

Assuming Barrow is healthy (I know it's kind of funny), I would put the list for MLB as this:

1. Barrow
2. Holdman
3. Marshall
4. McCune
5. Smith
i agree with that, except for Smith. He's a fan favorite because of his size, but he's too slow. Williams seems to prefer speed

[skins111111]

i agree with that, except for Smith. He's a fan favorite because of his size, but he's too slow. Williams seems to prefer speed


http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=7111

Holdman says you don't have to weigh 260 lbs in this D what you have to be able to do is run. Brian Allen started MLB in the first OTA. It also sounds like Barrow is not as good as gone but has to sh#t or get off the pot. Looks like he is still being considered but there are all these other option in place if he can't step up soon.