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Spence
05-13-2005, 12:17 PM
Is this what Mr Bush means when he says we've "turned the corner" in Iraq?The explosion enveloped the armored vehicle in flames, sending orange balls of fire bubbling above the trees along the Euphrates River near the Syrian border.

Marines in surrounding vehicles threw open their hatches and took off running across the plowed fields, toward the already blackening metal of the destroyed vehicle. Shouting, they pulled to safety those they could, as the flames ignited the bullets, mortar rounds, flares and grenades inside, rocketing them into the sky and across pastures.

Gunnery Sgt. Chuck Hurley emerged from the smoke and turmoil around the vehicle, circling toward the spot where helicopters would later land to pick up casualties. As he passed one group of Marines, he uttered one sentence: "That was the same squad."

Among the four Marines killed and 10 wounded when an explosive device erupted under their Amtrac on Wednesday were the last battle-ready members of a squad that four days earlier had battled foreign fighters holed up in a house in the town of Ubaydi. In that fight, two squad members were killed and five were wounded.

In 96 hours of fighting and ambushes in far western Iraq, the squad had ceased to be.

Every member of the squad -- one of three that make up the 1st Platoon of Lima Company, 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment -- had been killed or wounded, Marines here said. All told, the 1st Platoon -- which Hurley commands -- had sustained 60 percent casualties, demolishing it as a fighting force.Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/11/AR2005051101737_pf.html)

smoak
05-13-2005, 12:32 PM
I can't say what I truly feel b/c at best it would violate the policies here at HR... but I also think it would be illegal.

CNYSkinFan
05-13-2005, 12:38 PM
The policy of just keep on saying good things while horrible things are going on will not work. It did not in Vietnam, it will not now.

NamVet4
05-13-2005, 12:43 PM
http://iies.www.ecn.purdue.edu/IIES/PLAIC/380/REUNION/2000Reunion/PHOTOS/News5Photos/cemetery.jpg
"That from these honored dead
we take increased devotion
to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion
that we here highly resolve
that these dead shall not have died in vain. . ."

And thus it continues, that young men pay the price for old men’s foolhardiness.

smoak
05-13-2005, 12:44 PM
What has to happen for Americans to care about the loss of life??? From what I understood, Vietnam was a daily thought in the lives of Americans, and people consistently watched for news updates.... I really never hear anyone discuss the personal war in Iraq??

CNYSkinFan
05-13-2005, 12:47 PM
http://iies.www.ecn.purdue.edu/IIES/PLAIC/380/REUNION/2000Reunion/PHOTOS/News5Photos/cemetery.jpg
"That from these honored dead
we take increased devotion
to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion
that we here highly resolve
that these dead shall not have died in vain. . ."

And thus it continues, that young men pay the price for old men’s foolhardiness.

Enough said....end of thread

BurgundyNGold
05-13-2005, 12:50 PM
What has to happen for Americans to care about the loss of life??? From what I understood, Vietnam was a daily thought in the lives of Americans, and people consistently watched for news updates.... I really never hear anyone discuss the personal war in Iraq??
58,178 US casualties in Vietnam over 10 years. If the numbers even approach either figure for Iraq, you'll start to see a lot more protesting of the war. I can see "getting us out of Iraq" being a HUGE campaign issue in 2008 if we're not out by then.

SkinsKY
05-13-2005, 12:57 PM
58,178 US casualties in Vietnam over 10 years. If the numbers even approach either figure for Iraq, you'll start to see a lot more protesting of the war. I can see "getting us out of Iraq" being a HUGE campaign issue in 2008 if we're not out by then.

Well, the way we're "winning" the war, it doesn't seem we'll be out by then. Whoever the Republican candidate is will have a tough time if they want to continue in the war.

C-7
05-13-2005, 01:34 PM
I can't say what I truly feel b/c at best it would violate the policies here at HR... but I also think it would be illegal.



Why would it be ilegal to say what you truly think/feel? Isn't this a democracy?

smoak
05-13-2005, 01:39 PM
58,178 US casualties in Vietnam over 10 years. If the numbers even approach either figure for Iraq, you'll start to see a lot more protesting of the war. I can see "getting us out of Iraq" being a HUGE campaign issue in 2008 if we're not out by then.

I agree that you can't compare the toll, but I guess I look at it more that one life is one too many. It makes me sad to hear about any death in Iraq, and I just wonder why people don't really discuss it at all?

smoak
05-13-2005, 02:19 PM
Why would it be ilegal to say what you truly think/feel? Isn't this a democracy?

I was exaggerating, but still very frustrated with what I see is a personal vendetta... Not only has the administration failed to produce a "smoking gun", they haven't even shown a knife, rope, or candle stick.

I really don't care for politics, but this administration just seems inept.

fent
05-13-2005, 02:29 PM
What has to happen for Americans to care about the loss of life??? From what I understood, Vietnam was a daily thought in the lives of Americans, and people consistently watched for news updates.... I really never hear anyone discuss the personal war in Iraq??

i think another big part of it was the draft. at this point, it's very easy to keep the war from affecting you specifically. if there were a draft instituted, suddenly a VERY large portion of the populace would be involved involuntarily.