Blog Update: New VQ article The One Year Re-Do

[CNYSkinFan]

I have posted a new Vision Quest Artilcle to the hR Blog.

You can read it HERE (http://www.hailredskins.com/blog/index.php?p=86#more-86)

And Discuss it in this thread.

[The Skinsinator]

Great article as usual Dustin. I hope after this season the NFL will take more proactive permanent steps to resolve this contract/redo problem. It really is becoming detrimental to the league.

[Carmelo]

as always, a great read with great points. I don't think there should be a comprimise where the first two years are guaranteed. Actually, I'd like contracts to be even more performance based. I think there should be a base salary (like the minimums already in place) and then all the other money would be incentive. Say %50 player performance incentive and %50 team wining incentive. That's just my pipe dream though and I haven't thought far or hard enough about any possible disadvantages.


as a side note

All that could have been forgiven even excused, however then in a case of what I call “[censored by spence] head momentum” he called out Donovan McNabb, a virtual patron saint in Philly.


That line was classic CNY, classic.

[CNYSkinFan]

Hey MEatsnak pointed out a problem with paragraph 6, I cut off a sentence it is fixed now.

Thanx Meatsnack.

Thanks for the props Carmelo.

I think performance based contract are great too, but these long contracts where nothing is guaranteed and the SB becomes such a big issue are starting to make the off season be a course of capenomics every year. I think guaranteeing a couple of years on a long term contract can help there.

[skins111111]

we have no control over what other teams do but we should make it known that we will not be blackmailed or give in to these selfish demands.......
if we must start with ST then so be it....if not players and agents will keep running over us and we can change our name to the Washington Doormats

[The Skinsinator]

we have no control over what other teams do but we should make it known that we will not be blackmailed or give in to these selfish demands.......


This is a great statement to live by for a successful nfl team not just a bunch of talented individuals. Thats what it takes for todays nfl success.

[silverspring]

I have a feeling taylor is going to end up with a very short end of this stick. By missing the voluntary mini camp he already reportedy threw away 150000 in incentive bonus. I envision more of the same. I imagine gibbs won't give him another cent, but on top of that I get the sense that gibbs is rather POed with him and I could see him benching or at least not starting taylor the first couple games because of this. I am not familiar with taylor's contract but I am guesing this could lead to more incentive base bonuses being sacrificed.

[Redskin4Life]

You've brought up a great point that I think needs to be discussed in more depth, IMO. The fact that a team/ownership is not bound to a player so why should the player be bound to the ownership/team?

Too many times has a player outperformed his contract and due to an injury, gets cut the following year or so -- never seeing the money they should be guaranteed.

I agree that I definitely don't like the mentality of the NBA or MLB in that a team is literally STUCK with a player no matter how he performs; the NFL has this part right. But I think it's time for a player to earn more pay for outperforming.

So then the problem lies in the agents... they should have incentives tied to the team's performance (in the case of TO) or to the greatness of the team's D or O (in the case of Sean). If both of these guys had these installed into their contracts, then they should play. The problem with these agents (well I guess I mean Rosenhaus) is that if one player gets a deal with one agent and then switches to another, what does that agent get other than notoriety?!?!!? What I mean is, for the new agent to get any money, a new deal must be made with him as the agent. That's a crappy deal to me... it's not the player that's going to benefit as much as the new agent.

A backloaded deal for more money that a player NEVER SEES and gets about 1M or 2 more in signing isn't a big deal for him... but the agent gets his 1% or more of the TOTAL contract. The agent of course is going to push his new client into FORCING the hand of the team/ownership and the player suffers (bad rep as being selfish, disappointment from fans/coaches/teammates, laziness due to not being with the team, lack of focus/cohesion/unity since there will be no connections made with unit players).

All in all, I'm saying it's time for the league to do something about the AGENTS, not the players.

[HanburgerBum]

As usual, a well-written and well-reasoned article.

I have just a small bone to pick with your comprise plan. It may sound good, but all the plan would do is force teams to reduce the bonus money. The savings from that would then be put into the first third of the contract. The only real difference then is that a player would get his guaranteed money spread out over a number of years instead of one lump sum at signing.

The simple truth is that because pro football is such a violent contact sport, injury is a constant fact of life. Teams can not afford to guarantee the entire terms of contracts, or they will go broke paying off players who are no longer physically able to play.

Teams and players both are well-aware of this. Thus, when a player signs a contract, he knows of the injury risks and he needs to be prepared to live with the contract he signed.

I am thinking that top prospects from college often protect themselves against injury by purchasing insurance. Why can't established NFL players do the same? Maybe there can be a system put into place where every player who wants to purchase such insurance can have the NFL co-pay the premiums. That way, we don't want ever again to hear the excuse for re-negotiating existing contracts "a player is only one play away from the end of his career".

[CNYSkinFan]

As usual, a well-written and well-reasoned article.

I have just a small bone to pick with your comprise plan. It may sound good, but all the plan would do is force teams to reduce the bonus money. The savings from that would then be put into the first third of the contract. The only real difference then is that a player would get his guaranteed money spread out over a number of years instead of one lump sum at signing.

The simple truth is that because pro football is such a violent contact sport, injury is a constant fact of life. Teams can not afford to guarantee the entire terms of contracts, or they will go broke paying off players who are no longer physically able to play.

Teams and players both are well-aware of this. Thus, when a player signs a contract, he knows of the injury risks and he needs to be prepared to live with the contract he signed.

I am thinking that top prospects from college often protect themselves against injury by purchasing insurance. Why can't established NFL players do the same? Maybe there can be a system put into place where every player who wants to purchase such insurance can have the NFL co-pay the premiums. That way, we don't want ever again to hear the excuse for re-negotiating existing contracts "a player is only one play away from the end of his career".
Insurance is an interesting idea. I do think this is a new thing in the NFL, these one year redos. You will always have the contract holdouts on Franchise players and people in the last year of a contract wanting security. I don't mind hold outs when they have shown on a multi-year l;evel that they are worth more then their contract.

I would like to see more incentive based contracts. Players tend to reject those but if all the teams in the NFL start offering them more, espescially for rookies, then it may reduce some of these.

To though is another matter. He is just a problem child no matter what. I think lurie should buy him a flat screen tv.