Peter King slapping and kissing the Skins

[akhhorus]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/05/17/mmqbte.cowboys/index.html

"1. I can't vouch for the other 38 voters. I can only tell you what I think, and I know I have no bias against any player or any team when it comes to Hall voting. "Bias'' is an interesting word. Just because I vote against Art Monk does not mean in any way that I'm biased against him. I just feel he belongs in the Hall of Very Good, not in Canton. "

"3. The only logical argument for more Cowboys is the epidemic of Steelers in the Hall. I can't defend some of the Pittsburgh choices, because quite frankly, I wasn't in favor of some of the Steelers choices, like Lynn Swann. Just a personal feeling. But the Hall historically has favored players from Super Bowl winners. Pittsburgh was 4-0 in a six-season span. Dallas was 2-3 during a nine-year run. San Francisco was 5-0 in their 14-year spell, which makes the lack of Niners ever more noticeable. And look at Washington, 3-1 in Super Bowls in a 10-year run but just two Hall members -- John Riggins and Joe Gibbs. I'd buy the argument that Grimm, Joe Jacoby, Matt Millen and Darrell Green all deserve their day before our committee.

So, the fact that "only'' seven Cowboys are in the Hall from that era doesn't get much violin music from me."

[redwolf1218]

that's unbelievable that only one player made the HOF after 4 superbowl trips in a 10 year span. no wonder Gibbs is in there.

[CNYSkinFan]

Dan Patrick was singing Monk's praises today. He also said Monk and Jacoby should be in the hall immediately and the Irvin stuff was crap.

[CowboyKilla]

the fact that monk isn't in is a travishamockery.

Where's that phrase from I love it.

[redwolf1218]

the fact that monk isn't in is a travishamockery.

Where's that phrase from I love it.
i dont remember but it sounds like Don King, or was that "trickeration"...anyways you're right, especially since there are guys in there did not have as good a career as Monk.

[RedskinsDave]

No one will say it nationally but Gary Clark should be considered if Irvin is.

[BurgundyNGold]

the fact that monk isn't in is a travishamockery.

Where's that phrase from I love it.
It's from that Miller Lite commercial with Bob Odenkirk, isn't it?

[lavarsamonster]

the fact that monk isn't in is a travishamockery.

Where's that phrase from I love it.


its from the miller lite commercial about 2 years ago

and it is one that monk isnt in the hall, darrell green will be there no question and jacoby is borderline

[HanburgerBum]

that's unbelievable that only one player made the HOF after 4 superbowl trips in a 10 year span. no wonder Gibbs is in there.


You are absolutely right. It speaks volumes of Joe Gibbs as a head coach.

Although, I think the number of players will actually be 2 instead of 1. Darryl Green is not in because he is not yet eligible. Green should be a first-ballot lock. If that doesn't happen, I will be screaming "bias" louder than any Cowboy fan.

As for Monk, Grimm and Jacoby, my guess is that it is likely that none of them will ever make the HOF. While I think they all deserve to be inducted, my outrage there is not as intense as it would be if Darryl were to be shuned.

[Chief Redskin]

It makes me sick to think that Art Monk is not in the HOF. Dan Patrick said that Monk wasn't in because he wasn't a self-promoter. Monk should be celebrated for his character and accomplishments.

[Dallas Sucks]

It's from that Miller Lite commercial with Bob Odenkirk, isn't it?

yes, but he got it mixed up. "It's a travistry, a sham, and a mockery. It's a travshamockory."

[The Skinsinator]

Slapping and kissing the Skins seems to be the new trend with anti-Skin journalists namely King and Pastabelly. The slapping occured/is occuring because of Snyder and our unsuccessfulness for a long time for such a rich franchise. The kisssing is happening because they realize that we have had a very sound fiscal offseason which is new for us. They realize this is the smart way to go for breeding a successful team.

[aprius]

You are absolutely right. It speaks volumes of Joe Gibbs as a head coach.

Although, I think the number of players will actually be 2 instead of 1. Darryl Green is not in because he is not yet eligible. Green should be a first-ballot lock. If that doesn't happen, I will be screaming "bias" louder than any Cowboy fan.

As for Monk, Grimm and Jacoby, my guess is that it is likely that none of them will ever make the HOF. While I think they all deserve to be inducted, my outrage there is not as intense as it would be if Darryl were to be shuned.

Grimm and Jacoby should be in there possibly more than Monk...and Monk should be in there NOW! You should be equally irate at any omission of Green, Monk, Jacoby and Grimm. Green, Jacoby and Grimm should be first ballot selections... period. I cant believe you said that about Monk, Grimm and Jacoby.

[smoak]

It makes me sick to think that Art Monk is not in the HOF. Dan Patrick said that Monk wasn't in because he wasn't a self-promoter. Monk should be celebrated for his character and accomplishments.

I couldn't agree more and at time when work is insane and I have less of an opportunity to post, I wish I hadn't accidently read a thread about Monk not being in the HOF. It is the single worst HOF omission in any sport. The HOF is a joke. King is right in that all voters care about is the guys who performed big in the SB. I promise you this... If Riggins didn't have that run on 4th down against the Dolphins, he might not be in the HOF. Its insane, but that is the mentality of the voters.

[smoak]

Grimm and Jacoby should be in there possibly more than Monk...and Monk should be in there NOW! You should be equally irate at any omission of Green, Monk, Jacoby and Grimm. Green, Jacoby and Grimm should be first ballot selections... period. I cant believe you said that about Monk, Grimm and Jacoby.

Our o-line was the absolute heart and soul of the Gibbs era and I really do not understand it. I hate the HOF and all of their voters. The only way I go to the HOF is if a group of folks want to boycott out front.

[Dexter72]

Its amazing to me that Riggins is still our only guy. And Monk, Jacoby, and Grimm all deserve it more than he does! People want to say those 3 didn't make enough pro bowls to get in (jacoby & grimm each had 4, monk had 3), Riggins went once. They complain about Monk's YPC, yet Riggins averaged 3.9 per carry for his career. And all 3 won 2 more Super Bowls than Riggo....Unfortunately, I think self-promotion during your career and sitting in the TV booth afterwards are your best bets for securing your spot in the Hall.

[smoak]

Unfortunately, I think self-promotion during your career and sitting in the TV booth afterwards are your best bets for securing your spot in the Hall.

As moronic as it is to hear, I think you are 100% correct... Great, I'm angry all over again.

[HanburgerBum]

Grimm and Jacoby should be in there possibly more than Monk...and Monk should be in there NOW! You should be equally irate at any omission of Green, Monk, Jacoby and Grimm. Green, Jacoby and Grimm should be first ballot selections... period. I cant believe you said that about Monk, Grimm and Jacoby.


Gosh, I said I think Monk, Grimm and Jacoby all deserve to be inducted. I just think Green deserve it more. A corner who could still play at 40, unheard of in the NFL!

Hell, I also think my namesake Chris Hanburger deserves to be in the HOF, but I am resigned to the fact that he will not make it, just like I am resigning to the fact that Monk won't make it and Grimm and Jacoby likely won't make it (although I hope I am wrong).

[Keino]

No one will say it nationally but Gary Clark should be considered if Irvin is.

I tried to call in because I heard it today but couldn't get through. I intended to say this very thing.

[darksome]

It's from that Miller Lite commercial with Bob Odenkirk, isn't it?

NOOO! You are all wrong. Jesse Jackson said that! Jesse is always making up words. But he is off-limits for jokes! LOL! LOL!

[MONK_in_HOF]

Our o-line was the absolute heart and soul of the Gibbs era and I really do not understand it. I hate the HOF and all of their voters. The only way I go to the HOF is if a group of folks want to boycott out front.

I am also boycotting the NFL HOF. I have been tempted to go and protest several times so count me in if you decide to go.

[MONK_in_HOF]

No one will say it nationally but Gary Clark should be considered if Irvin is.
If you go by stats you can definitely make the argument, I have done this comparison before. Irvin has him killed in extracarriculars though, and that seems to be a positive to the HOF voters.

[Meatsnack]

If you go by stats you can definitely make the argument, I have done this comparison before. Irvin has him killed in extracarriculars though, and that seems to be a positive to the HOF voters.

What do you mean?

If that means cheating on your wife with crack-whores, I agree. If that means being a man-in-a-fur-coat-wearin', non-route-runnin', blabbermouthin, crack-pipe smokin', Nate Newton lovin', loathsome self-promoter, I also agree. If that means something to do with positive play on the field, I disagree. Except for one thing, his mastery of the push-off, Irvin was less impressive in every way than Clark.

[darksome]

If you go by stats you can definitely make the argument, I have done this comparison before. Irvin has him killed in extracarriculars though, and that seems to be a positive to the HOF voters.

Testing positive, is not the equivalent of being positive for the HOF.

[MONK_in_HOF]

What do you mean?

If that means cheating on your wife with crack-whores, I agree. If that means being a man-in-a-fur-coat-wearin', non-route-runnin', blabbermouthin, crack-pipe smokin', Nate Newton lovin', loathsome self-promoter, I also agree.

That was the angle I was going for. I mean aside from Irvin's play his infamy brought much more fame than the much more discrete lifestyles of consumate pros like Monk and Clark. It really is the hall of "fame" right? I am still shocked Irvin didn't get in first ballot.


I still can't believe ESPN ever employed this criminal. I mean you should have heard him defending TO on the Dan Patrick show a few days ago. Saying that since TO never actually said Donovan McNabb's name when talking about "he wasn't the one who got tired" that everyone has incorrectly jumped to that conclusion. But when asked what he thought TO meant by that statement he just avoided the question and placed more blame on the media. I can't stand seeing him on TV or hearing him on radio.

[darksome]

What do you mean?

If that means cheating on your wife with crack-whores, I agree. If that means being a man-in-a-fur-coat-wearin', non-route-runnin', blabbermouthin, crack-pipe smokin', Nate Newton lovin', loathsome self-promoter, I also agree. If that means something to do with positive play on the field, I disagree. Except for one thing, his mastery of the push-off, Irvin was less impressive in every way than Clark.

So what exactly do you mean Meatsnack? :lol1:

[ChiefPowhatan17]

If Irvin makes it in before Monk, it just shows that it is a faulty system and it devalues the Hall itself. I have been their and Monk does belong. All of his stats are better than Irvin except Avg. yards per catch. Well that's because Monk just caught more passes anyways and for a longer time. What a fluke that would be.
If Irvin goes in first I'll never go back to the Hall...
Darrell should make it in before Irvin. :banghead: :banghead:

[Ibleedburgundy]

I tried but if any of you guys happen to call in to Dan Patrick's show, give him some props. I was going to thank him on the behalf of all Redskins fans and then make my plea for Art Monk. Big ups to DP!