Joe Theisman does not think Darrell Green should be in the HOF?

[Redskinfan28]

Per Extremeskins, JT said he doesn't think DG should be in the HOF. Here is the specific post:

Just heard Joe Theisman on ESPN's Dan Patrick show answering questions on who should be in the HOF. He talked at length about why Art Monk should be in the HOF, but that the process is too subjective and political. He also said Jacoby and Grimm should be in, but said no to Mark Moseley and, surprisingly, Darrell Green. Go figure?


http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=102281


WTF? Thats just plain stupid....

[ryflan47]

Probably somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about.
hR FOR LIFE!

[chrisbcbu]

i heard about this on other sites as well not just from ES. So it has to be true. But i dont know what Theisman was thinking!

[Santheb]

Theismann isn't to bright. Just listen to him on Sunday Night Football.

[smoak]

Theisman is an idiot. Green played at a really high level for an awfully long time and contributed on two SB teams. The only time he ever really struggled is when the NFL started allowing gigantic goon WRs to shove off defensive backs (hence the trend towards BIG defensive backs). He has made some of the biggest plays in Redskins history (check the thread on the subject) and is a first ballott HOF-er...

Then again, I thought Monk was a first ballot guy for his contributions.... I mean the guy was statisically the best at his position at one point.

ARGH!!!! DIE PETER KING DIE!!!!

[MCLMM]

Darrell Green was a very good Corner Back for a very long time. I think he is a wonderful ambassador for the sport and for the Redskins, but, it is not the Hall of very good it is the Hall of Fame. Darrell Green was not the best Corner Back of his era. That is what should be they key to deciding who gets in.

[redskin_rich]

"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein".
--Joe Theismann

[smoak]

Darrell Green was a very good Corner Back for a very long time. I think he is a wonderful ambassador for the sport and for the Redskins, but, it is not the Hall of very good it is the Hall of Fame. Darrell Green was not the best Corner Back of his era. That is what should be they key to deciding who gets in.

A seven time Pro-Bowler and two time SB champion doesn't belong in the HOF????

Can you elaborate b/c if each team only got one HOF-er, Green would get consideration in my mind.

[redskifreak]

Art Monk should go first before any redskin period.....i myself wouldnt pick green for the hall but judging some of the hall of famers currently in green is well above some of those choices... so yes he should go but not before monk!!!!!!!

redskifreak

[redwolf1218]

Theisman is an idiot.
ARGH!!!! DIE PETER KING DIE!!!!
hey smoak quit beatin around the bush and tell us how you really feel!

[CowboyKilla]

I completely disagree. Performance. Consistency. Winning. He's got it all.
He should be a slam frigen dunk. Everyones entitled to their opinion.

[skins111111]

The boys didn't think to much of Joe........he was know for his big mouth and stupid opinions.........if nothing changes , nothing changes :)

1974 marked the end of the line for Sonny Jurgensen, and the rest of Kilmer’s career was to be marked by his efforts to retain his starting job against the challenges of advancing age, nagging injuries, and the ever-present threat of a talented but pesky Joe Theismann. The friendship between Kilmer and Jurgensen was already strong prior to the 1974 arrival of brash, cocky, talkative, and ambitious former Canadian Football League star. After leading the team to a pre-season win his first year, Theismann was asked by a reporter what he’d do when the other two quarterbacks returned. His reply, that he would “keep the two old men on the bench,” would irk Kilmer and Jurgensen for years. Kilmer was quoted as saying, “I hate that little SOB!” Theismann would have his moment in the sun, but Kilmer and Jurgensen vowed to keep him off the field during their tenure, and except for punt return duties, they did so until Jurgensen retired in 1974. When the Redskins named the ’70 Greatest Redskins’ in 2002, Kilmer, Jurgensen, and Theismann were together for the first time in nearly two decades. Although no blows were thrown, it was clear there was still no love lost as Kilmer told a local reporter Theismann “was a jerk then, and always will be.”

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

whatever, :rolleyes:......

joey t is trippin'.....

Darrell Green was a very good Corner Back for a very long time. I think he is a wonderful ambassador for the sport and for the Redskins, but, it is not the Hall of very good it is the Hall of Fame. Darrell Green was not the best Corner Back of his era. That is what should be they key to deciding who gets in.
which era?? the guy played for 20 years for the same team. thats got to count for something......i actually wouldnt be surprised if DG didnt get in right away since we know that the HOF is a joke anyway....

[darksome]

I don't think that I want to read what Joe thinks. Who cares? I refuse to give his idiotic comments any of my own personal airtime.

As for Green in the HOF, after the Art Monk diss, it wouldn't surprise me that he doesn't make it, BUT MY RAGE WOULD KNOW NO BOUNDS!!!! :banghead:

I know what the HOF means to the players as far as acknowledgment of a job done well, but it doesn't mean JACK to me!

But I do think he will get in. Joe probably said whatever he said to ensure it, challenging the HOF "powers that be" to gaffe yet a second time on a prominent Redskin! You know, reverse psychology. Dare them to agree with him cuz he is a NUT!!

[helimech24]

I have something quick to say, but it is to the point. How many rings does theisman have not riding the bench. Now, how many does green have? Theisman also didn't train anyone else to fill his position. Green was a teacher to both Smoot and Bailey. Hey theisman, go break another leg.

[redwolf1218]

I have something quick to say, but it is to the point. How many rings does theisman have not riding the bench. Now, how many does green have? Theisman also didn't train anyone else to fill his position. Green was a teacher to both Smoot and Bailey. Hey theisman, go break another leg.
and Green was a teacher to something like 18 guys who played opposite him during his career. very good point.

[whistleandthumb]

If Joey T wasn't a Redskin, I'd probably hate his guts. For having led two teams to a Super Bowl, he doesn't always talk very brightly about the sport, and he often gets things confused.

Maybe that's why he said what he said about DG: he was confused. Perhaps when Dan Patrick said, "Darrell Green," Joey T heard in his head "Ade Jimoh."

[AGibbsGirl]

Hmmm...Joey T is usually a pretty positive advocate of the Skins, I would have liked to have heard the whole conversation.

[BigPlayJay]

Green should be and will be in Hall on first ballot.

As for Theisman, I think he is a great announcer (unlike some of you) but he's defintely wrong about DG. Not sure what he ws thinking other than mayber trying too hard not to look like a homer.

[redwolf1218]

Joey T. was always a brash, arrogant, cocky, but confident leader. He was not well-liked.

[Chief Redskin]

It doesn't seem possible that anyone in the Redskins family could make a comment like Theisman's. Darryl Green is as sure of a lock for the HOF as any player could ever be. Everyone knows that Green was the best at his position longer than any other CB has ever been. Not to mention what a quality human being he is. If Joe Theisman really said that DG should not be in the HOF, the Skins should disown him. That is one of the worst things he could have ever said.

[Towson Skins]

Im glad LT ended his career after hearing one of the best redskins qbs saying that the best cb ever should not be in the hof. One of many reasons why i muted his ass every sunday night.

[redwolf1218]

It doesn't seem possible that anyone in the Redskins family could make a comment like Theisman's. Darryl Green is as sure of a lock for the HOF as any player could ever be. Everyone knows that Green was the best at his position longer than any other CB has ever been. Not to mention what a quality human being he is. If Joe Theisman really said that DG should not be in the HOF, the Skins should disown him. That is one of the worst things he could have ever said.
Agreed. Green was a devoutly religious and spiritual man. Joey T. was screwing around behind his wife's back in the hotel before the SB against the Raiders. I doubt they were friends.

[C-7]

Unfortunately, considering what happened with Monk, it wouldn't surprise me if Green didn't make it. It would piss me off, but wouldn't surprise me that much.

[GMUskinsfan]

Green is guarenteed to be in the HOF, no other person (besides maybe gibbs) so embodies the redskins franchise, and what it means to be a redskin. My favorite all time skin and all around great guy who spoke at my high school numerous times. Anyone who wants to deny him a spot in the hall should try running in a td with cracked ribs

[redwolf1218]

Im glad LT ended his career after hearing one of the best redskins qbs saying that the best cb ever should not be in the hof. One of many reasons why i muted his ass every sunday night.
i was watching that with one of my best friends when it happened, and he was recording it, and he kept playing it over and over in slow motion, almost made me sick. then Schraeder came in and immediately threw about a 30 yard deep out pattern to the sidelines, hard throw to make, lots of zip on the ball, i was like "dang".

[darksome]

i was watching that with one of my best friends when it happened, and he was recording it, and he kept playing it over and over in slow motion, almost made me sick. then Schraeder came in and immediately threw about a 30 yard deep out pattern to the sidelines, hard throw to make, lots of zip on the ball, i was like "dang".

UUuuhhh, sound like a possibility that can happen up in here this year Red?

J/K

[LuvSkins17]

I think poor Joe needs a hug..... I wouldn't be suprised if Coach Gibbs gives him a call and says, "Joe what was on your mind? Darrell played his guts out for us.... He's a super smart guy."

Green........... First Ballot!

[redwolf1218]

UUuuhhh, sound like a possibility that can happen up in here this year Red?

J/K
well no that was what was supposed to happen last year when Ramsey finally replaced Brunell. it was a noticable upgrade, but not enough to make Gibbs happy, so he got Campbell.

[darksome]

well no that was what was supposed to happen last year when Ramsey finally replaced Brunell. it was a noticable upgrade, but not enough to make Gibbs happy, so he got Campbell.

You just love sliding that Campbell thing in there huh? I am telling you guys, mark my words, that JC is going to be special! We just have to bring him along properly, then make like the NYSE and SELL - SELL Ramsey!!

[Meatsnack]

Darrell Green was a very good Corner Back for a very long time. I think he is a wonderful ambassador for the sport and for the Redskins, but, it is not the Hall of very good it is the Hall of Fame. Darrell Green was not the best Corner Back of his era. That is what should be they key to deciding who gets in.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion but...
Joe Montana and
Jerry Rice and
Randy Moss
are all on record as saying that Green was the best corner they ever faced. I'll give more weight to their opinions and what my own eyes tell me. Green was the best ever. His technique bit and he still ruled the NFL for 15 of his 20 seasons.

Who, in your opinion, was a better corner for the 20 year span of his career? Right, he's the only one who played for 20 years. He retired the fastest player on his team. DG not in the HOF? Please.

[redskin_rich]

Darrell Green was a very good Corner Back for a very long time. I think he is a wonderful ambassador for the sport and for the Redskins, but, it is not the Hall of very good it is the Hall of Fame. Darrell Green was not the best Corner Back of his era. That is what should be they key to deciding who gets in.
If you are serious then please tell us who you think was better during Green's era. I for one put DG as the best of all time, not just an era. Green was the CB that invented the term "shutdown Corner". The only CB that may have been better for a much shorter time was Deion but he faded quickly to an average player whereas Darrell maintained a high level for two decades.
The HOF is already a turning into a sham and if DG isn't a first ballot election, they will lose all credibility with me.

[Dexter72]

Darrell Green was a very good Corner Back for a very long time. I think he is a wonderful ambassador for the sport and for the Redskins, but, it is not the Hall of very good it is the Hall of Fame. Darrell Green was not the best Corner Back of his era. That is what should be they key to deciding who gets in.

You better alert the Hall Of Fame that they let 3 guys from the "Hall of Peter King's Very Good" in, because it looks like there are 4 CBs whose careers spanned the same era, yet somehow they are all in: Willie Brown (63-78), Mel Renfro (64-77), Jimmy Johnson (61-76), Lem Barney (67-77)...not to mention Mel Blount who played from 70-83.

I think DG was as good as anyone; People can argue that Rod Woodson or Peion were the best of their era, but I don't think you'd find too many people who would say DG wasn't one of the 3-4 best CBs of the past 25 years. That should be good enough.

[COUNCILMAN]

I remember watching a TV show once where there was this guy who believed the earth was really flat. He said everything looks round from a distance but the earth is really flat. Then people actually discussed this because somebody had brought it up.

I am surprised people are buying into this rediculous comment about Darrell Green. Trust me. Darrell will go into the HOF on the first ballot. Don't give it a 2nd thought.

[redwolf1218]

MCLMM you are obviously mistaken. havent you heard Phil Simms talk about how he was told never to even look towards Darrell Green's side of the field? Bill Parcells told him he would take him out of the game if he threw to Green's side.

[Odyn]

Sorry to break up your "hate on MCMLM party" (not that he doesn't deserve it here..) but reading this whole thing made me think of this game.

i was watching that with one of my best friends when it happened, and he was recording it, and he kept playing it over and over in slow motion, almost made me sick. then Schraeder came in and immediately threw about a 30 yard deep out pattern to the sidelines, hard throw to make, lots of zip on the ball, i was like "dang".


The funny thing about it, was that when they were carting Theismann off the field, Schraeder came in and threw those deep bombs. The crowd was cheering because it was something Joy T. could never do, and it was exciting. Now Joey T heard the cheers and thought that they were cheering for him but they were actually cheering for Jay Schraeder. I thought it put into perspective how this guy may be a little egotistical and a little sour over his own career...

[Odyn]

[QUOTE=Odyn]Sorry to break up your "hate on MCMLM party" (not that he doesn't deserve it here..) but reading this whole thing made me think of this game.




The funny thing about it, was that when they were carting Theismann off the field, Schraeder came in and threw those deep bombs. The crowd was cheering because it was something Joy T. could never do, and it was exciting. Now Joey T heard the cheers and thought that they were cheering for him but they were actually cheering for Jay Schraeder. I thought it put into perspective how this guy may be a little egotistical and a little "out there"QUOTE]

[LATrueRedskin]

Darrell Green is sure as hell a hall of famer. Easily.

[redskin_rich]

Sorry to break up your "hate on MCMLM party" (not that he doesn't deserve it here..) but reading this whole thing made me think of this game.




The funny thing about it, was that when they were carting Theismann off the field, Schraeder came in and threw those deep bombs. The crowd was cheering because it was something Joy T. could never do, and it was exciting. Now Joey T heard the cheers and thought that they were cheering for him but they were actually cheering for Jay Schraeder. I thought it put into perspective how this guy may be a little egotistical and a little sour over his own career...
I usually keep this on the downlow but I was happy to get Joe off the field, not by the circumstances of course, I would never wish a compound break on anybody.. He was stinking up our team at that point and Schroeder made us better immediatly.

[lakeskin]

The HOF is a bleeping joke anyway so it wouldnt suprise me if Darrell failed to get in.

One of the best cornerbacks of all time who won three super bowls, was a stand-up guy in the community, who was praised by all of his opponents as being one of the best, who was one of the few identifying faces for a team that was only second to the 49ers in dominating the 1980's, one of the best clutch performers in NFL history...yeah he doesnt belong. :rolleyes:

[darksome]

I usually keep this on the downlow but I was happy to get Joe off the field, not by the circumstances of course, I would never wish a compound break on anybody.. He was stinking up our team at that point and Schroeder made us better immediatly.

Save this sentence next year for the handing of the reins to Campbell!

[redskin_rich]

Save this sentence next year for the handing of the reins to Campbell!
Totally different situation. Joe had taken us to glory so it was hard see him struggle but he just wasn't effective anymore. I don't have that loyalty to Ramsey but I think he still deserves this last chance.

Sorry, back to the topic,
Joe Theismann has always had a big mouth and ego and I wouldn't take his words too seriously, I think he just likes to hear himself talk.

[War Hogg]

Theisman is on crack......

[HanburgerBum]

Darrell Green was a very good Corner Back for a very long time. I think he is a wonderful ambassador for the sport and for the Redskins, but, it is not the Hall of very good it is the Hall of Fame. Darrell Green was not the best Corner Back of his era. That is what should be they key to deciding who gets in.


You are wrong in so many ways it is hard to know where to begin.

As Dexter72 showed, 4 comtempory CB's of Darrel's era are already in the Hall, and none of the 4 can hold a candle to him.

Darrel was not only a shut-down corner, he caused the term to be invented, as someone already pointed out.

If you don' t think Darrel was the best of his era, I presume you think Deion was. Deion was a superb cover man, no doubt. But, have you ever seen Deion with a dirty uniform? The man made so few tackles in his career, you can probably count them with your fingers without having to use your toes. Darrel, despite of his size, did not shy away from run support.

Darrell still could play corner in the NFL at 40. How many other corners can you name that can do that? Try none.

You are so wrong, it's hard to tell whether you are serious, Joe Theismann in disguse, or are under the influence.

By the way, I have always thought Theismann was an under-rated QB worthy of some consideration for the Hall himself. But this pronouncement by him is hard to take. It is as if LT fractured his skull, not his leg, and all of his gray matter escaped.

[The Iceman]

ha, art monk, darrell green, and russ grimm should all be entered in , and probably on the next damn ballot


in this order:

monk, green , grimm

[dogfight6]

Green is a first ballot hof'er second only if the voters are fools and joey t. can go soak his head.

[WRSK1NS]

Hmmm...Joey T is usually a pretty positive advocate of the Skins, I would have liked to have heard the whole conversation.
I was listening to the Dan Patrick show and as was said Theisman made a case about monk being in and all and about how he had talked to some hall of Fame voters and all. At the end of the conversation Dan Patrick said Yes or No should the following players be in the hall of fame. When he got to D. Green at first Theisman said "Yes" and then he said, wait, Darryl Green? No! He didnt elaborate on anyone because his time was up. I was just as confused to why he said that as anybody. Green should be in the Hall of Fame, maybe he and Monk will go in together!

[smoak]

hey smoak quit beatin around the bush and tell us how you really feel!

Sorry, mix one bad day at work with one very touchy and emotional subject...

And for the record I use "die" in terms of his career not his life.

[smoak]

You just love sliding that Campbell thing in there huh? I am telling you guys, mark my words, that JC is going to be special! We just have to bring him along properly, then make like the NYSE and SELL - SELL Ramsey!!

If Ramsey wins first we can sell Campbell. Either way, I feel better than with Tinny H. as the 3rd QB. Great guy and all heart, but I didn't see playoffs under him.

[smoak]

maybe he and Monk will go together!

That is the only thing that would make up for the years of neglect... it'll never happen, but what an amazing weekend that would be!

[skins111111]

ha, art monk, darrell green, and russ grimm should all be entered in , and probably on the next damn ballot


in this order:

monk, green , grimm

Jacoby :)

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Thiesmann is just jealous cause he will never be in the HOF, he knows that the memory of him playing is fading with every year, and he is afraid of only being known as the QB who LT broke.
I have always been a Joe fan, he was tough, but he is no D. Green. Plus he has annomosity towards Redskin teams that do better than his teams did.
It's too bad what happened to him and that his career got shortened, he could have been even greater, but even if he played another 5 years he might not have made the HOF.
Monk yes, Grimm yes, Green yes, Jacoby jury out. Moseley why not...

[CNYSkinFan]

Hmmm...Joey T is usually a pretty positive advocate of the Skins, I would have liked to have heard the whole conversation.

I heard him on Dan PAtrick. He was at first trying to say how ridiculous the whole "HOF is biased against the Cowboys" controversy is bogus because only 2 Redskins from the Joe Gibbs era, Gibbs and Riggins, were in the HOF. He said emphatically Monk, Jacoby, Grimm should be in. Then Dan Patrick started reading off a list of names and when Green came up he said yes...then changed his answer to no.

I think DG is a sure fire HOF guy but I thought Art Monk was too. The longest ever to play the hardest position in Fball is enough for me.

[Dexter72]

I'll give Joey T. the benefit of the doubt that maybe he was trying to stump for some of his fellow Skins but felt that he had to throw one under the bus in the name of appearing objective...And maybe since DG is widely considered a lock for the Hall, he thought it would make sense to throw him under. Think about it: If he goes on and says all 4 of his teammates who are/will be under consideration deserve to be in, is it newsworthy? He's going to be dismissed as a homer, right? Maybe now that can't be said.

[BurgundyNGold]

I think Joe goes into convulsions if he doesn't put his foot in his mouth every so often.

[Wild Bore]

I think Joe Theisman is entitled to his opinion. Why that translates into some people here wanting him to rebreak his leg, downplay his accomplishments with the Redskins, attack his character, etc etc is simply amazing.

For the record, I believe Green may or may not get in. The fact that he played 20 years is not really relevant, except that it shows some durability. Ray Brown did it too, at a tougher postion. Does that make him a HOF candidate? The fact that Darryl is loved in Washington is causing a lot of anger and people are not being objective.

I hope Darryl does get in, but I don't think he is a lock. I think there are several other Redskins who are not in the hall who I think deserve to get in at least as much as Darryl. Those are, in order of "worthiness" (IMO): Jerry Smith, Russ Grimm, Len Hauss, Joe Jacoby, Art Monk, Chris Hanberger, Darryl Green, Joe Theisman.

[redwolf1218]

its funny how on the front page the title of this thread reads "Joe Theisman does not think..."
very appropriate.

[redskinz#1fan]

Darrell Green was a very good Corner Back for a very long time. I think he is a wonderful ambassador for the sport and for the Redskins, but, it is not the Hall of very good it is the Hall of Fame. Darrell Green was not the best Corner Back of his era. That is what should be they key to deciding who gets in.

You must be kidding me right? You trying to tell me he wasn't HOF material. The guy played ball for 20 years. That won't happen any time soon with these young kids these days. I forgot to mention with the same team! For you to say that he was just very good is a slap in the face to all redskins and the fans. Please check yourself into rehab, because your tripping off something. :banghead:

[smoak]

I think Joe Theisman is entitled to his opinion. Why that translates into some people here wanting him to rebreak his leg, downplay his accomplishments with the Redskins, attack his character, etc etc is simply amazing.

For the record, I believe Green may or may not get in. The fact that he played 20 years is not really relevant, except that is shows some durability. Ray Brown did it too, at a tougher postion. Does that make him a HOF candidate? The fact that Darryl is loved in Washington is causing a lot of anger and people are not being objective.

I hope Darryl does get in, but I don't think he is a lock. I think there are several other Redskins who are not in the hall who I think deserve to get at least as much as Darryl. Those are, in order of "worthiness" (IMO): Jerry Smith, Russ Grimm, Len Hauss, Joe Jacoby, Art Monk, Chris Hanberger, Darryl Green, Joe Theisman.

I personally do not think people mean that literally he should break his leg. But that is just how I took it...

I think Green's accomplishments make him a lock, but then again, compare Monk's stats to some of the WRs in the HOF and you'd say the same. Darrell Green has been involved with some of the most memorable moments/games in Redskins and NFL history and IMO he should be there, but a snother snubbed Redskin wouldn't surprise me.

Yes, Joey T is entitled to his opinion, but it is unfortunate that a teammate wouldn't have your back.

[smoak]

I'll give Joey T. the benefit of the doubt that maybe he was trying to stump for some of his fellow Skins but felt that he had to throw one under the bus in the name of appearing objective...And maybe since DG is widely considered a lock for the Hall, he thought it would make sense to throw him under. Think about it: If he goes on and says all 4 of his teammates who are/will be under consideration deserve to be in, is it newsworthy? He's going to be dismissed as a homer, right? Maybe now that can't be said.

Godd point!!! The only loophole is that I'm not sure he is that smart?

My favorite is when Monk breaks the all-time receptions record the MNF crew talk about how Monk is headed to Canton and how he had a HOF career... :rolleyes:

[Keino]

Well, then Joe Theismann is an idiot.

[RedHokieSkin]

Are we sure of the specific question asked?

Did Dan Patrick say:

Should Green get in? or Will Green get in?

[RedskinRyan]

darrell green SHOULD be in the hall of fame. art monk as well. green is more likely to get in though, he's a very likeable guy, i dunno how anybody can not have respect for him, but apparently THEESMAN has lost some. to play 20 years for the same team, and hold up a level of quality that was superior to others at his position for much of that time speaks loud. he had an interception for the first 19 years of his career. if green doesnt make the HOF, i might boycott the NFL(minus the skins of course).

[Aurej]

Theissman also thinks he should be in the HOF, he shouldn't. Darrel should and will be, most likely a first or second ballot.

[MCLMM]

I just disagree. I am a huge DG fan. I think the guy is one of the greatest Redskins of all-time. However, if I was voter I wouldn't put him in. I guess luckily for the state of football as we know it I'm not. And several people have asked about who I think the best CB of DG's era was; my vote goes to Woodson.

[RedHokieSkin]

Someone on ES suggested Theisman was joking. For those that saw it, what's your take? Did he smirk? Was there a hint of sarcasm?

[padraic]

I have always disliked joe but this is the clincher

[darksome]

Someone on ES suggested Theisman was joking. For those that saw it, what's your take? Did he smirk? Was there a hint of sarcasm?

It doesn't matter if he meant it or not. Forget all of the opinions about Joe and what he said. That is just Joe's opinion, one way or the other.

People give that stuff substance by widespread reaction.

Dismiss it and believe what you want to believe about Darrell Green.

YOUR opinion counts over Joe's in your book right?

So I say he belongs.

What do you think?

[CNYSkinFan]

Are we sure of the specific question asked?

Did Dan Patrick say:

Should Green get in? or Will Green get in?

I am pretty sure it was "should" because he said yes to Art Monk, Jacoby, and Grimm and no to Moseley and Green. I got to tell you I was surprised as hell when I heard him double take too.

[smoak]

I just disagree. I am a huge DG fan. I think the guy is one of the greatest Redskins of all-time. However, if I was voter I wouldn't put him in. I guess luckily for the state of football as we know it I'm not. And several people have asked about who I think the best CB of DG's era was; my vote goes to Woodson.

Woodson played FS for half his career.... that is not to say he isn't deserving, but Green could still run with WRs today. Sure Woodson was a great CB who played when Green played, but why only pick one? They were different types of players used in different schemes.... Should we have to choose between Montana and Marino?

[Redskin4Life]

I just can't believe he would say that?!?!? Well, so what does Joe think about Drew Pearson getting in??? Yes he should, Joe???

[RedHokieSkin]

It doesn't matter if he meant it or not. Forget all of the opinions about Joe and what he said. That is just Joe's opinion, one way or the other.

People give that stuff substance by widespread reaction.

Dismiss it and believe what you want to believe about Darrell Green.

YOUR opinion counts over Joe's in your book right?

So I say he belongs.

What do you think?

DG's a lock in my book. Not necessarily in every HOF voter's book...but whatcha gonna do.

If we don't care about other's opinions, why are we members of this forum? All we do is debate issues. Most of the debates are opinion-based.

My opinion matters to me more than Joe's does. But I don't cause controversy when I spout off my opinions. DG couldn't care less what I think about him.

Right now, I am working on reforming my opinion of JT. I prefer my opinions to be based at least a little on fact. My opinion of him is already low. By knowing the facts, I can then determine if it needs to be lowered even more. :typeR2:

[SkinsASchamps]

Joe theisman is a big tool and is one redskin that i actually dislike. Yes, it pains me, but for theisman I will make the exception. He is not very nice in person and is a arrogant jerk. Just my opinion. Darrell Will get into the Hall whether Joe wants him to or not.

[Redskin4Life]

Woodson played FS for half his career.... that is not to say he isn't deserving, but Green could still run with WRs today. Sure Woodson was a great CB who played when Green played, but why only pick one? They were different types of players used in different schemes.... Should we have to choose between Montana and Marino?
I'm with you on this one smoakme, so what about his stats is not deserving? He played for 20 YRS in the NFL, played in 295 games (about 15 games/yr), had 527 tackles (26 per yr), 54 INTS (at least 3 ints for 12 seasons), 6 TDs and 129 pass defenses?!?!? Other than Woodson (who has AMAZING stats), who else was better????

[ZipSkinz44]

DG should not get in. At least not until he's eligible. I would really like to know the context of what Joe was talking about as he has always placed DG on a pedestal. I'm thinking that what was said was not said in the context of ever making it but in the context of who should go next. Darrell is not in that group for two more years. Why discuss him now? He'll be a lock when it comes time.

Moseley on the other hand should at least get a finalist consideration. He was the last of a dying breed. But to Joe, the old school NFL type, he was just a "kicker". So I might be able to understand Joe's saying no to him. Although he was far from "just a kicker" to me.

Monk not getting the nod again is just a travesty. But given the names of those chosen over him since 2001, I can't say that his slighting is because of him or his record. Only one name stands out as what I would say is less deserving. I think he gets his due next year. Followed by Darrell the next.

Grimm and Jacoby may have to wait. But it won't be too much longer.

[darksome]

DG's a lock in my book. Not necessarily in every HOF voter's book...but whatcha gonna do.

If we don't care about other's opinions, why are we members of this forum? All we do is debate issues. Most of the debates are opinion-based.

My opinion matters to me more than Joe's does. But I don't cause controversy when I spout off my opinions. DG couldn't care less what I think about him.

Right now, I am working on reforming my opinion of JT. I prefer my opinions to be based at least a little on fact. My opinion of him is already low. By knowing the facts, I can then determine if it needs to be lowered even more. :typeR2:

Hmmm...that sounds cool. Nuff said!

[schmackledackle]

Darrell Green was a very good Corner Back for a very long time. I think he is a wonderful ambassador for the sport and for the Redskins, but, it is not the Hall of very good it is the Hall of Fame. Darrell Green was not the best Corner Back of his era. That is what should be they key to deciding who gets in.

As I read this post I tried to understand just what would make you think Darell Green is not deserving of Hall of Fame status. The only thing I could come up with is that you must be a younger fan who only caught the last several years of Green's career (late 90's to early 2000's). During this period Green was indeed very good, but not the force he was his first decade and half in the NFL.

Darrell Green is one of the best cover corners of ALL TIME, and I say that without hyperbole. Was he the greatest of his era? It depends on how you define era. The only players you could legitimately argue were on his level over the course of his career were Rod Woodson and Deion Sanders. There really is no one else to even include in the conversation (I'm leaving out Ronnie Lott because he spent the better portion of his career at Safety).

There have been a number of fine corners to come through the league during this time. Names like Aeneas Williams, Eric Allen, Frank Minnifield, Hanford Dixon, Jerry Gray, Eric Wright, and Ty Law come to mind (I'm sure someone could come up with more). Are any of these guys in the same ballpark as Darrell Green? My answer is an emphatic NO.

Darrell Green was the BEST cover corner of the 1980's. He was the first corner to "shut down half the field" even though most think it was Deion. It is debatable as to whether he was better in his prime than Woodson or Sanders in theirs, but you could certainly make a case that he was the premier corner of his era.

These things I know to be true: Deion and Rod Woodson will be Hall of Famers and each one of them deserves it.

Darrell Green was more than a "very good" cornerback. He has earned his bust and he will get it.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Sure, Theisman is entitled to his opinion, and he can be an idiot if he wants, it's a free country.
Darrell Green was more than a great cover guy. Early in his career he was the most feared kick returner in the NFL. Later in his career he became a very good tackler. He had 54 career INTs! He caught guys from behind that were uncatchable to any other man in the NFL. He forced fumbles. He did everything he was asked to do without question. He was always a positive force for the Redskins, a true role model, and he is deeply missed. To me, Darrel Green was the last of great generation of football players. Players who had pride in their actions on and off the field, who weren't all about the money and the spotlight, who would to sacrifice anything to win, who had integrity, maturity and sportsmanship, true team players. That species of player is extinct now.

These days we have a bunch of greedy, rock star pre-madonna's who act like immature children, not men. They taunt, they only care about money and diamond earrings and they certainly are not going to risk injury for their team.

Darrell Green is a HOF'er for a zillion different reasons, anybody who says otherwise is on crack. Skins will really tick me off if they don't retire number 28.

[wewantdallas]

I find it impossible to believe that Joe said this. I really do. I want a source, not a "hey, they said it on other sites, too." Maybe George Michael will talk about it (if it's true).

I mean, seriously, as has been said, anyone who thinks Green shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame is INDEED ingesting illegal substances. Absolutely insane to think otherwise. Beyond insane.

He was a freak of nature. A complete one-of-a-kind. I just can't believe Theismann would've said something so absurd.

[Aurej]

Woodson played FS for half his career.... that is not to say he isn't deserving, but Green could still run with WRs today. Sure Woodson was a great CB who played when Green played, but why only pick one? They were different types of players used in different schemes.... Should we have to choose between Montana and Marino?

Woodson only played FS the last 2 years of his career in Oakland and was a much better CB than Green which isn't saying Green shouldn't be in the hall.

[redwolf1218]

I usually keep this on the downlow but I was happy to get Joe off the field, not by the circumstances of course, I would never wish a compound break on anybody.. He was stinking up our team at that point and Schroeder made us better immediatly.
i was going to say the same thing. Joey T. couldnt throw it past 5 yards at that point, but Gibbs wouldnt take him out, which reminded me of Brunell last year.

[Meatsnack]

I just disagree. I am a huge DG fan. I think the guy is one of the greatest Redskins of all-time. However, if I was voter I wouldn't put him in. I guess luckily for the state of football as we know it I'm not. And several people have asked about who I think the best CB of DG's era was; my vote goes to Woodson.

Woodson was a great corner. For the few years he played the position before he hurt his leg. He was after a middling good safety and a worse announcer on NFL Network.

Long story short, Woodson never impacted the game and opposing game plans the way Green did. Everyone on the field knew - you cannot outrun #28. If you think you are by him, he is gaining. He single-handedly changed the way opposing teams called plays against the 'Skins in his long prime, the way LT did for the Giants. He had the hard-earned respect of every coach and QB in the NFC East when it was the toughest conference in football by a mile. Whatever your criteria are for HOF inclusion, they are seriously skewed.

[ZipSkinz44]

It isn't 2010 yet. He doesn't qualify until then.

[RedHokieSkin]

He had the hard-earned respect of every coach and QB in the NFC East when it was the toughest conference in football by a mile.

That's a great point.

[redwolf1218]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/chargers/20010908-9999_1s8redskins.html

Green already holds Redskins records for most regular-season games played (263) and started (250), interceptions (53) and interceptions returned for touchdowns (six). And, both Beathard and former Green teammate Joe Theismann said if he had been a full-time punt returner, the NFL record book would have a different look.

"He'd own every record," Theismann said. "No one, not even Deion (Sanders), could go from zero to top speed like he did."

Theismann added: "Working against Darrell Green made me a better quarterback."

"He was one of the two best defensive backs I played against, (Hall of Famer) Mike Haynes being the other guy," former Giants quarterback Phil Simms said. "All the times I played against Darrell, I remember Bill Parcells saying, 'Simms, if you throw one pass toward Darrell Green, I will personally come out and take you off the field.' "

Theismann, Beathard and others said the only thing more impressive than Green as a player is Green as a person. In fact, at his news conference, Green used the opportunity to promote the Darrell Green Youth Life Foundation.

"You say you love Darrell Green?" he said. "You love the little guy that can run fast? Then help the little guy help the young people."

Said Fox broadcaster John Madden: "We always talk about what's wrong with players in the NFL. Everything that is negative about football, Darrell Green is the opposite."

[skinsfan811]

theres no reason like a comment concerning DG not making the hall.this was an opinion (a very misguided one at that).hes an obvious 1st ballot HOFer and nothing less.end of discussion.

[MCLMM]

I guess I'm alone in my opinion, which is ok with me. But I never saw that many people outrun Rod Woodson either.

[Keino]

I guess I'm alone in my opinion, which is ok with me. But I never saw that many people outrun Rod Woodson either.

I can only surmise that you didn't watch the first half of Darrell's career if you think that is wasn't Hall of Fame Worthy. I'll refrain from calling you names, but Joe Theismann is an idiot if he doesn't think DG belongs in the HOF.

[smoak]

I guess I'm alone in my opinion, which is ok with me. But I never saw that many people outrun Rod Woodson either.

I really respect your opinion, but I don't understand the logic that because you feel Woodson was better that Green isn't a Hall of Famer? It isn't a case of one or the other IMO. For those who don't think #28 belongs in the HOF, I'd love to hear why!?

Maybe I am wrong about Woodson, but I thought he had to convert to FS after the knee injury? Either way, I'm not taking away from Woodsons' career.

I can remember quite a few seasons where our defense was much tougher having Green out there. My only regret is that the Skins didn't use him on offense. :D

[RedskinsDave]

I find it impossible to believe that Joe said this. I really do.

I second this one. Joe can spout off at the mouth but, regardless of some opinions here, he is not dumb enough to make that comment. No way.

[AGibbsGirl]

I was listening to the Dan Patrick show and as was said Theisman made a case about monk being in and all and about how he had talked to some hall of Fame voters and all. At the end of the conversation Dan Patrick said Yes or No should the following players be in the hall of fame. When he got to D. Green at first Theisman said "Yes" and then he said, wait, Darryl Green? No! He didnt elaborate on anyone because his time was up. I was just as confused to why he said that as anybody. Green should be in the Hall of Fame, maybe he and Monk will go in together!

I did read the first post....

but I suppose the answer was sorta given, Joe didn't have time to elaborate, the fact that his gut reaction was to say yes, shows his loyalty to the Redskins IMO

Keep in mind; Joe is not my favorite of Redskins, yet I feel maybe he should be given the benefit of the doubt here. It seems as if given the obscure and absurd voting practices of the HOF voters, maybe Joe doesn't think Darrell will get in...I wish he could have elaborated....

[darksome]

I did read the first post....

but I suppose the answer was sorta given, Joe didn't have time to elaborate, the fact that his gut reaction was to say yes, shows his loyalty to the Redskins IMO

Keep in mind; Joe is not my favorite of Redskins, yet I feel maybe he should be given the benefit of the doubt here. It seems as if given the obscure and absurd voting practices of the HOF voters, maybe Joe doesn't think Darrell will get in...I wish he could have elaborated....

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...it's Joe! :)

[WRSK1NS]

I did read the first post....

but I suppose the answer was sorta given, Joe didn't have time to elaborate, the fact that his gut reaction was to say yes, shows his loyalty to the Redskins IMO

Keep in mind; Joe is not my favorite of Redskins, yet I feel maybe he should be given the benefit of the doubt here. It seems as if given the obscure and absurd voting practices of the HOF voters, maybe Joe doesn't think Darrell will get in...I wish he could have elaborated....


I wish he could have given his reasons for saying Yes he should be in at first, then switching, To No he shouldn't be. It didn't sound like he was kidding or yanking Dan's chain to me (although I wish he were). I wish Dan would had the time to ask Joey T. "Darryl Green is not a Hall of Famer, Why" but he didn't. Maybe the reasoning will come out soon and put this to rest.

Like you I will give him the benifit of a doubt for now.....

[BurgundyNGold]

I second this one. Joe can spout off at the mouth but, regardless of some opinions here, he is not dumb enough to make that comment. No way.
Stupid? No, but Joe doesn't have that little voice in his head that hears him say something before he actually does. Nope, straight from mind to mouth with Joe. He's always been that way. He could definitely have said this and if not given time to elaborate, it would look just this bad.

[BurgundyNGold]

DG should not get in. At least not until he's eligible.
My vote for common sense statement of the day.

[redwolf1218]

i have to believe it was taken out of context somehow, as several others here have already stated. maybe he meant "yes he should get in, but no not yet" or something of that nature.

[28thegreat]

Aahh, come on ya'll. Give Joey T. a little break. He's just having a bad day because he found out no one's been polishing his bust at Canton.









Oh wait.........he doesn't have one!

[darksome]

Stupid? No, but Joe doesn't have that little voice in his head that hears him say something before he actually does. Nope, straight from mind to mouth with Joe. He's always been that way. He could definitely have said this and if not given time to elaborate, it would look just this bad.

Yes he does. The voice just says:

paper or plastic

less filling or tastes great

Bobbitt or Lewinsky (or is that the same as the previous one?)

:lol1:

[redwolf1218]

Yes he does. The voice just says:

paper or plastic

less filling or tastes great

Bobbitt or Lewinsky (or is that the same as the previous one?)

:lol1:
and the night before the super bowl against the Raiders, he was like "hmmm, my wife, or the chick down the hall in that other hotel room..."

[darksome]

and the night before the super bowl against the Raiders, he was like "hmmm, my wife, or the chick down the hall in that other hotel room..."

Well, judging by the lack of velocity on his throws on that game, I think the answer was both! :rolleyes:

[redwolf1218]

Well, judging by the lack of velocity on his throws on that game, I think the answer was both! :rolleyes:
yea he was half asleep and Riggo had the flu.

[bigcmr]

I can't belive any Redskins player would ever say that about D.Green. He was a great CB. The fastest for many years. There wasent many WRs that were ganna burn D.Green deep. 20 years on the same team! If I can recall many time Green could of went for more money but wanted to stay with the Redskins. Any Redskins fan who says D.Green does not belong in the HOF is not a true Redskins fan.

[redwolf1218]

I can't belive any Redskins player would ever say that about D.Green. He was a great CB. The fastest for many years. There wasent many WRs that were ganna burn D.Green deep. 20 years on the same team! If I can recall many time Green could of went for more money but wanted to stay with the Redskins. Any Redskins fan who says D.Green does not belong in the HOF is not a true Redskins fan.
any fan of football at all...if i had to put together 2 teams of the greatest players in their prime, to represent the AFC and NFC, Green would be one of the corners. that's not to say several others should not also be inducted, but certainly Darrell Green would be one of them.

[Wild Bore]

As Dexter72 showed, 4 comtempory CB's of Darrel's era are already in the Hall, and none of the 4 can hold a candle to him.

Other arguments for or against aside, none of these CBs were contempories of DG.

[redwolf1218]

I can't belive any Redskins player would ever say that about D.Green. He was a great CB. The fastest for many years. There wasent many WRs that were ganna burn D.Green deep. 20 years on the same team! If I can recall many time Green could of went for more money but wanted to stay with the Redskins. Any Redskins fan who says D.Green does not belong in the HOF is not a true Redskins fan.
i remember watching him in a race against Willie Gault when he won the fastest man in the NFL contest, one of many years he owned that title, and he was like 5 feet ahead of Gault inside of the first 10 yards. i've never seen anyone take off so fast and reach top speed so quickly.

[GibbsFan]

The HOF is becoming a sham. How can Monk not be in, he was the man on 3rd and short, on 1st and 2nd down he was blocking as well any WR in the league. If Lynn Swann is a HOFamer then how can Monk not be in. A model of consistency if there ever was one. Grimm and Jacoby should be in too.

As for Joe T, I find it hard to believe he said this. DG ran down Dorsett, Dickerson, Gault etc and was a outstanding cover corner for a long time, and better than most for the last 6-7 years of his career.