Hall vs. Chandler You Decide......

[CowboyKilla]

Are you happy with Chandler being your kicker or Do you pray Hall gets healthy?

There has been rumblings we would let Hall go, so how are you guys feeling towards the possibility that Chandler or someone else MAY be our Kicker.

I for one Pray Hall gets healthy, he is a better than average kicker who can kick the Long ball if need be......How do You feel?

[CarMike]

Are you happy with Chandler being your kicker or Do you pray Hall gets healthy?

There has been rumblings we would let Hall go, so how are you guys feeling towards the possibility that Chandler or someone else MAY be our Kicker.

I for one Pray Hall gets healthy, he is a better than average kicker who can kick the Long ball if need be......How do You feel?

I'm with you CK. I want Hall as my kicker. I don't trust Chandler. He played well last year when we needed him. But i'd rather keep Hall.

[CornerBlitz]

I also hope Hall can come back healthy because Chandler is not as reliable as Hall.

[Skaggsrules]

isn't there a rumor that we are looking at Paul Edinger...that makes it even more confusing

[C-7]

I want Hall to kick. How serious is his injury, anyway?

[smoak]

Hall's kickoffs are awful... but if healthy he is better than Chandler. I just want someone to get the job done.

[PennSkinsFan]

Hall's leg has spiraled down. His kickoffs used to be some of the best in the NFL, but looking at stats, each year he has decended. Hall's injury reminds me alot of Bret Conway. If the Redskisn are 100% sure this is not going to be a repitive annoyance and we aare stuck like the year we had heppner, cortez, my Mom, my Dad, my brother's wife's cousin's friend kicking for us, well, then I am ok. BUT if not, I think jeff Chandler proved last year, he can get the job done.

[dj_stouty]

BUT if not, I think jeff Chandler proved last year, he can get the job done.

Yeah..Chandler can get it done if he is kicking a FG of less than 29 yards. 30 yards and out is where Jeff is hideous.

I'll take bad the bad kickoffs if it means having a kicker who can actually kick further than 30 yards. (And we all know Hall can kick them 50+)

[akhhorus]

I would prefer Hall, but kickers with long term muscle problems aren't worth the trouble they present. If Hall is healthy at TC, keep him; if not, cut him.

[SkinsASchamps]

Id love for hall to be our kicker if he is healthy but he is expensive so if it comes down to the money or injury its ok if we have to go with chandler

[CarMike]

Yeah..Chandler can get it done if he is kicking a FG of less than 29 yards. 30 yards and out is where Jeff is hideous.

I'll take bad the bad kickoffs if it means having a kicker who can actually kick further than 30 yards. (And we all know Hall can kick them 50+)

yep, what dj said....

[redskin_rich]

I'm not as down on Chandler as some here are and I think he is improving. On the other hand, Hall is definitely on the downside of his career, if you look at his numbers they have gone down steadily every year for a while now.
Regardless, I'd let them battle it out in camp and see if Hall can regain his form and stay healthy, any problems and he is gone.

[tbfoster1]

I'm ok with both of them although I prefer Hall. I just hope the other 10 players on the kickoff team tackle the returner before he gets to the kicker, whoever it may be. Hall had to get in on the tackling way too much last year and that didn't help with the injuries.

[silverspring]

Hall. Chandler filled in well but Hall was someone you could really count on, if he was in the kick would be good.

Even if there are concerns as to hall's health I would rather keep him and chandler. Roster spots are thin but keep in mind the chaos the skins went through last year when hall got hurt with that swedish kicker.

[suppitty]

A healthy Hall is better than Chandler, but you can no longer trust him to stay healthy. If we do decide to trust him, and he gets hurt, we are stuck with some career practice squad guy and we saw the effects of that in 2000.

The other thing I like about Hall is that he is atruck of a kicker. He must have injured about 3-4 players last year making tackles downfield. He's a good 240, and could probably make a better mlb than mike barrow could at this point :rolleyes: .

[capital DEFENSE]

jeff chandler in my mind is to unreliable if we want to contend for the playoffs. John Hall is solid when healthy but i dont know how healthy he is right now... i like the idea of going after Paul Edinger who was just released by the bears cause i thought i remember him being pretty solid and reliable

[Skins57]

Hall... I think I was not real big on him to begin with but he did have a good first year for us but he will have to stay healthy and I hope he can

[LATrueRedskin]

Boy, I hope Hall is healthy come TC.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I agree with everyone elses line of thinking on our kicker situation. Hall is definately the best choice but Chandler is probably a lot better than kimrin, or a rookie. Signing Chandler shows that there is atleast some concern about Halls ability to recover. I too hope he returns to form and can stay healthy.

[redskin_rich]

isn't there a rumor that we are looking at Paul Edinger...that makes it even more confusing
You can cancel that rumor, Edinger signed with the Vikes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-vikings-edinger&prov=ap&type=lgns

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

id much rahter have john hall kick for us. i hope he recovers because i trust him more than i do chandler. he was a solid fill in, but thats about all he was IMO.

[skinsfan36]

man the vikings got a good kicker they could be alot better this year but wont win because of mike tice being a horrible coach. anyways back to topic ill take hall if he healthy if not chandler,if hall is still hurting then he probably continue to agrivate his injury so cut him if he is not fully healthy.

[Skinz4lyfe]

IMO, Hall is the better kicker. I've never liked Chandler that much and I hold my breath every time he kicks a FG. His accuracy outside of 40yds is sketchy at best and his kickoffs leave much to be desired. At this point though, if Hall's health doesn't improve, we're stuck w/Chandler.

[swheeler]

As many have already said, Hall is a very good kicker when healthy. Which one is better all depends on the extent of Hall's recovery. If Hall hasn't recovered enough and Chandler is better, I'll be satisfied with him starting and letting Hall go. Chandler isn't great, but we can get by with him.

[The Iceman]

where is mike nugent when you need him?? oh, in new york? damnit, i guess we'll settle for a hall / chandler battle. i hope and pray that John Hall not only makes the team, but steps up and kicks his butt off.

[NamVet4]

I want to keep both of them... However, if it it comes to a clutch situation, I'll take a healthy Hall.... If either is injured we are in deep doodoo!!!

[Kanman21]

Are you happy with Chandler being your kicker or Do you pray Hall gets healthy?

There has been rumblings we would let Hall go, so how are you guys feeling towards the possibility that Chandler or someone else MAY be our Kicker.

I for one Pray Hall gets healthy, he is a better than average kicker who can kick the Long ball if need be......How do You feel?


I definatley feel the same way CK. We all sat and watched how we fumbled through those 2000 kickers for the last few years before Hall, and I for one do not want to let an above average guy with a great leg go because some random Jeff Chandler (who was cut by the 49ers no less) had himself 5 or 6 good games. The cap savings woulnd't be huge and we're pretty much set this year in terms of the roster.

I for one say keep Hall if he's healthy.

[Chief Redskin]

I would be very upset if we went into the season with Chandler. I always liked Hall because of his strong long and decent accuracy.

[Biggie]

I think we'll be going with Chandler next season (thanks to Hall's bad health) and then end up drafting a kicker in '06 with one of our later picks.

[CNYSkinFan]

I would prefer Hall, but kickers with long term muscle problems aren't worth the trouble they present. If Hall is healthy at TC, keep him; if not, cut him.

This is where I am ato on this as well. Probably why Akh and I did not include him on our possible June 1 cut list. I say wait till the last cut down on pre-season and make the decision then. I do fear a repeat of that horrible year where we were dressing up hot dog vendors and having them try kicks.

[redwolf1218]

Hall's kickoffs are awful... but if healthy he is better than Chandler. I just want someone to get the job done.
can either of them get a friggin kickoff deeper than the 20?

i hope Hall is healthy and productive because he is making pretty good money.

[MoeRedskins]

I think everybody agrees that we would prefer a healthly Hall, but he pulled or strained every muscle in his legs last year so that is a concern, a pretty big one at that. Sure there are better, but Chandler is a good backup to have just in case.

[dj_stouty]

This seems like the 3rd time I've had to dig up Chandler's crappy stats...

Lifetime in FGs 30 yards and longer
Chander is 7 of 15 for 46.7%
Hall is 121 of 183 for 66.0%

And exactly how did Chandler fare on 30+ yard field goals last year with the Redskins?

1 for 4 or 25%

And exactly how did an injured Hall fare on 30+ yard field goals last year with the Redskins?

4 for 7 or 57.1%

NFL kickers are paid to make the 30+ yard field goals. Any old high school or college kicker can make field goals of 29 yards or shorter. (I'll even bet I can do that) Its where the kicker stands in the 30 - 50ish range that makes him a viable NFL kicker or not.

If you want a guy who is lights out from 29 and less...keep hoping Chandler replaces Hall. If you want a guy who is actually an NFL quality kicker, hope Hall gets better over the next few months...

[redwolf1218]

I think everybody agrees that we would prefer a healthly Hall, but he pulled or strained every muscle in his legs last year so that is a concern, a pretty big one at that. Sure there are better, but Chandler is a good backup to have just in case.
well maybe if the kicks go to the goal line and our coverage teams can tackle, Hall wont have to play like a linebacker and maybe then he wont get injured.

[redskin_rich]

DJ-
My only argument is that Chandler is improving while Hall is getting worse. I think they have already passed by each other going opposite ways.
I seem to remember some young Kickers we had here during our carousel of Kickers that we should have been patient with, David Akers and Jay Feeley to name a couple.

[dj_stouty]

Yes....the kickoffs must be longer. The Redskins only had ONE kickoff that resulted in a touchback last year. (2nd worst in the league to Chicago which had ZERO)

However, touchbacks doesn't always equal wins. The leagues top team for forcing touchbacks on kickoffs was the Cardinals with 23.

It all comes down to special teams coverage. If our guys can tackle and force fumbles on kickoffs, it won't matter if our kicker is booting it into the endzone or not.

[dj_stouty]

DJ-
My only argument is that Chandler is improving while Hall is getting worse. I think they have already passed by each other going opposite ways.
I seem to remember some young Kickers we had here during our carousel of Kickers that we should have been patient with, David Akers and Jay Feeley to name a couple.

Well, Chandler had his worst kicking % last year than his first two with San Fran...and look where that got him.

Hall may be getting progressively worse over his career...but he is still kicking a better percentage than Chandler is.

And for every Akers and Feeley from our past...there are also the Michael Husteds, Cary Blanchards, Scott Blantons, Jose Cortezs and James Tuthills.

[PGiddy18]

Honestly, I don't think it will matter if it is Johnny Hall or Chandler booting the ball. I've NEVER been confident with our kicking. Everytime the field goal unit comes onto the field I groan, because typically...its not always the best result. Of the two: I'd rather have Hall because he gives use a little more distance, but I'd REALLY rather just score touchdowns all the time and not worry about having to rely on the kicker. ok, ok, ... back to reality.

I would even suggest looking around the league to see if any half decient kickers gets cut. If Hall isn't looking good and is still injury plagued, than we cut him and sign another kicker. (Cause in reality, I've got a better chance of hitting a 30+ yarder than Chandler does). But I don't really think anybody will be available, but its still a thought.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

This seems like the 3rd time I've had to dig up Chandler's crappy stats...

Lifetime in FGs 30 yards and longer
Chander is 7 of 15 for 46.7%
Hall is 121 of 183 for 66.0%

And exactly how did Chandler fare on 30+ yard field goals last year with the Redskins?

1 for 4 or 25%

And exactly how did an injured Hall fare on 30+ yard field goals last year with the Redskins?

4 for 7 or 57.1%

NFL kickers are paid to make the 30+ yard field goals. Any old high school or college kicker can make field goals of 29 yards or shorter. (I'll even bet I can do that) Its where the kicker stands in the 30 - 50ish range that makes him a viable NFL kicker or not.

If you want a guy who is lights out from 29 and less...keep hoping Chandler replaces Hall. If you want a guy who is actually an NFL quality kicker, hope Hall gets better over the next few months...

Amen.

[CarMike]

Whats funny to me is that when Spurrier was in DC, the members here were adamently against Chandler. Mostly due to adding another Gator to the roster.

I didn't want him then. And I sure as heck don't want him now.

I thought I read earlier that the Redskins signed another kicker? The guy from OSU from 2 years ago....can't think of his name right now....

[redwolf1218]

i think Hall could take him in a celebrity grudge match.

[TupaFan]

Or course, I would love Hall to stick around. But, those injuries are a big question mark. I would love an update on how John is doing.

[HanburgerBum]

I think most of us would agree that a healthy Hall is the right choice, but his ability to stay healthy is a huge question mark. That last year under Norv, when the team was good enough to make the playoffs and beyond only to be betrayed by the kicking game, was just awful. And, Hall can easily be the Bret Conway of 2005.

I would not let the fact that Chandler was cut by another team bother me. NFL kickers often don't make it with their first teams. I remember reading an article 15-20 years ago, which raised the question how many kickers that season were kicking for their original teams. The answer was zero. However, Chandler's lack of accuracy on the longer kicks and his short kickoffs are concerns.

My frustration is starting to build just thinking about this. If only Norv had shown David Akers a little more patience (cut him after he missed two 50 yarders) the Skins would have been set for 15 years. If the Redskins miss the playoffs this year because of poor kicking, I may kick in my TV set.

[skinsfan36]

i hate kickers they are like computer crashes.... unpredictible

[redskin_rich]

i hate kickers they are like computer crashes.... unpredictible
I compare them to golfers, when they have their rhythm, they are money but when they lose it, it can be ugly.

[ConradCountry]

Are you happy with Chandler being your kicker or Do you pray Hall gets healthy?

There has been rumblings we would let Hall go, so how are you guys feeling towards the possibility that Chandler or someone else MAY be our Kicker.

I for one Pray Hall gets healthy, he is a better than average kicker who can kick the Long ball if need be......How do You feel?

Hall is worth the money but if Chandler looks alright in preseason I would not hesitate to cut Hall he is becoming an injury case and he plays kicker.

Here is an idea Jon strech.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Hall is the man...