Will Arrington Start?

[Redskinmayhem]

Ok, since there is nothing new to report or comment on I figured I'd put this out there for you all to comment and give your thoughts on.....BTW, this is complete and total speculation at this point but hey, it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

Ok, assuming that Barrow/McCune/Clifton/Khary lock up the job of MLB, That leaves Marshall to vie for ROLB with Lavar. Given Lavar's injuries last year and Marshalls good(Maybe even better than good) play in LA's absence, who would start? Marshall is supremely familiar with the system and has game time experience. LA, I'm sure knows the system like the back of his hand but he has very little game time experience in it. So, IMHO it isn't unconcievable that LA would not start in favor of Marshall. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE LA. I hope he is the best LB to ever set foot on the field but I can totally see Lemar starting over LA. Lemar is a VERY solid LB but LA has game changing ability that I have yet to see in Lemar, with the exception of the handoff that WAS a TD that he took from ST vs the 49ers. last season. This may be one of the best camp battles, if it comes to that.

What are your thoughts?

[Vonslydog]

I would imagine there is about zero chance of Marshall starting over Arrington.

[whitskins]

I don't think there's any way he sits the bench if he's healthy. He is too much of a beast. Lemar was good last year but think of all the times where he was one step short of creating a big play. With Lavar those plays will be sacks, tipped passes, forced fumbles, etc. Lavar is the game changer on defense that we need to boost our turnover numbers, the one weak spot in our defense last year.

Think of it like this, if Gregg Willams made Lemar Marshall a very solid NFL player, what could he do for a physical freak like Arrington? This could be something very explosive.

Also, I believe the TD scored in the San Fran game last year was by Antonio Pierce, wasn't it?

[joethefan]

If he's healthy, yes...he'd better start.

[bwparker]

Remember, also, that Marshall is one of the LBs vieing for the MLB spot. He's putting on muscle mass and training with the Middle in Mind.

[Chief Redskin]

I can't believe I am even responding to this thread.

Of Course Lavar Starts!!!!

[2Cooley]

Lavar will start

[PennSkinsFan]

I can't believe I am even responding to this thread.

Of Course Lavar Starts!!!!
Yup, I agree. Two reasons....he can be dominant and tghe defense is better when he is in the game, and second, there are too many zeros behind his pay check for him to sit the bench.

[BIGSEF3]

Yup, I agree. Two reasons....he can be dominant and tghe defense is better when he is in the game, and second, there are too many zeros behind his pay check for him to sit the bench.

Coles had alot of zeros, too, and we're paying him to play for the jets. :-) however, you are right, arrington is too good when healthy, to much of a team leader and motivator, and is making too much money to sit the bench if he is healthy.

[Biggie]

This may seem like a stupid question, but it is a valid one. With the type of injuries LaVar had last year, plus the fact that he did play and put pressure on the injury eventually, he might not be 100% at the beginning of the season. I'd rather be LaVar-less for the first six weeks and then have him back in monster form later in the season when the playoffs are on the line. I say give LaVar as much healing and rehab time as possible, because it would just kill me to see him re-injure the same thing that took away so much of his season.

[Redblood]

I would imagine there is about zero chance of Marshall starting over Arrington.


Maybe not zero, but certainly below 10 %, and certainly closer to 1 %!

[IVSkinsFan]

If LA is healthy, he starts period.

[Meatsnack]

I suspect that they will see how much of his old self LaVar is in camp. If he isn't as explosive as he was pre-injury, then we will see more of Lemar in the various "packages" that GW talks about than we would otherwise. We may see Lamar at the Will anyway if we use #56 as a rush end on 3rd and long.

Anytime you think LaVar may ride the pine, take look back at his first play back late in the season. He charged the play and absolutely blew-up the pulling guard coming around the end, knocking him head over heels and single-handedly destroying the sweep the Vikings were running. I traditionally quote the movie "Big Trouble in Little China" when talking about LA - he can do things no one else can do, see things no one else can see. When his head is one straight and he is playing within the system he can do some baaaad things.

[hail2skins]

Wow, so Arrington can lose the starting job because of an injury.

[MONK_in_HOF]

I have been more critical of LA than many others but no way in the world he doesn't start if he is healthy enough to play. I love our LB depth though.

[akhhorus]

This is sort of like saying that Ray Brown or Mark Wilson has a shot at starting over Jon Jansen.

[skins111111]

Maybe not zero, but certainly below 10 %, and certainly closer to 1 %!

I'm thinkin below 1% and if possible below 0% :rolleyes:

there is NO way a healthy LA will be on the bench....would that ever stir up a bunch of controversy....would be detramental to the team, big time

[Skins4life]

Lavar starts.

I hope ST is there so we can see two of the big hitters backing each other up.

[Redskinmayhem]

Ok, well, I survived that question for the most part unscathed. :sfight:

Anyway, after some thought, I too agree w/ most of you that if LA is healthy, he starts. Not only is he a beast and a physical phenom, he's just too expensive to sit on the bench. And please, no brunnell ref's here. LA's cost/Ability ratio is much better than MB's.

I guess this all boils down to me being worried that LA's injury is a bit more severe than we thought. Last season we thought it was a 4 week knee sprain. Then, 6 weeks. Suddenly he's back but clearly lacking his MOJO. Then, he shuts it down for the season w/ 2 games left. I was kind of heart broken about that. I guess I'm trying to prepare myself for the worst.


Here's to Lavar having his best season ever! :stout:

BTW, despite what some of your are thinking, this is a valid question given LA's injury. Doesn't it usually take 2 years to come back from a knee injury like that??? I'm just preparing myself(and indirectly everyone else) for the possibility of him not being ready to go in september.

[Curtisprc3]

LAVAR Starts!

[Redskinmayhem]

This is sort of like saying that Ray Brown or Mark Wilson has a shot at starting over Jon Jansen.

Akh, wether or not LA starts, I'm going to claim I knew what I was talking about and/or posed the question, at least 7 months before I actually became a member of this forum. Just so you know.....
:lol1:

[Curtisprc3]

Akh, wether or not LA starts, I'm going to claim I knew what I was talking about and/or posed the question, at least 7 months before I actually became a member of this forum. Just so you know.....
:lol1:
yeah but you probably will change your name before then!!!!!

[Redskinmayhem]

yeah but you probably will change your name before then!!!!!

touche!!!
:twak:

[COUNCILMAN]

Lavar probably starts, but he has to beat out Lamar Marshal and Arrington most certainly has to prove he is healthy.

If Lavar is out of position in pre season or if he knee starts swelling...then things could happen. But outside of anything happening, Lavar should be the starter. At 100 percent, and playing within the system...he will be awesome.

[akhhorus]

Akh, wether or not LA starts, I'm going to claim I knew what I was talking about and/or posed the question, at least 7 months before I actually became a member of this forum. Just so you know.....
:lol1:

Good to know, but if Lavar is healthy, do you honestly think that Lemar Marshall has a snowball's chance in hell to unseat him as the starter?

[Kanman21]

I'd imagine the man will start barring any injury. While Marshall did a great job filling in, he doesn't posess nearly what LaVar could bring to a defense. We can move LaVar around so much to exploit everythign he has, which is needless to say, much more than Lemar

Not to knock Lemar in any way, but he's not as dynamic as LaVar and as long as he can pick up the scheme, do what he's told, he shoudl start and wreak havoc upon the unbelievers

[GMUskinsfan]

A freak of an athlete who was a 1st round draft pick and who puts up better stats (when healthy) vs marshall? i wonder

[Redskinmayhem]

Good to know, but if Lavar is healthy, do you honestly think that Lemar Marshall has a snowball's chance in hell to unseat him as the starter?


mmm......No, you're right. I'm just not totally sure LA is healthy. Why else, would they have brought Holdman in? McCune?....They have a whole host of other Lb's on the roster as well.

[akhhorus]

mmm......No, you're right. I'm just not totally sure LA is healthy. Why else, would they have brought Holdman in? McCune?....They have a whole host of other Lb's on the roster as well.

McCune is a MLB, Holdman will probably also play MLB or SLB(filling in for Washington). Lavar is a WLB--in Chicago, Rosie Colvin played the WLB, Holdman(when he was very good) played the SLB. And there is a major difference between the positions. Even just considering Lavar's salary, he will play if he is healthy over every LB within a 30 mile radius of Redskins Park.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

there aint no way LA wont start....

[redwash]

I know I'm new here but I'm a long time Skin's fan...Why would you want Lavar to start this year when we had the number one Defense almost all of last year, As good as they played last year I would think we can wait till he is 200% then bring him in to Rome the field. I think roming the field is what he likes best, He's like the head hunter then.. JMHO :)

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I know I'm new here but I'm a long time Skin's fan...Why would you want Lavar to start this year when we had the number one Defense almost all of last year, As good as they played last year I would think we can wait till he is 200% then bring him in to Rome the field. I think roming the field is what he likes best, He's like the head hunter then.. JMHO :)
LA is much better then lemar marshall who just may end up being our staring MLB this season. our defense overachieved IMO last season, given all the injuries the unit suffered. now with lavar back, he'll add another playmaking on D.

[redwash]

I half to agree with you, Lavar can only make the Defense a lot better. I was thinking more about his knee and how it will hold up :inkston: ...I do miss him on the field he is a wild man..:)

[redwolf1218]

Arrington is injured and washed up...not. of course he'll start. he'll reak havoc and make the probowl.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I half to agree with you, Lavar can only make the Defense a lot better. I was thinking more about his knee and how it will hold up :inkston: ...I do miss him on the field he is a wild man..:)
i hear you.....but he should be okay by TC right? i didnt completely tear an ACL or anything and thats the type of injury that i would think would keep him from being 100% by the time the season starts. can someone with a similar injury to lavar shine some light on this?

[redwolf1218]

i hear you.....but he should be okay by TC right? i didnt completely tear an ACL or anything and thats the type of injury that i would think would keep him from being 100% by the time the season starts. can someone with a similar injury to lavar shine some light on this?
my son had the ligament in his knee pull a bone piece away, it was re-attached with a screw, then the screw removed 2 months later on a Friday, and he participated in a football camp the following monday. then about a month later in the middle of 8 weeks of physical therapy (2 nights a week), he came in 2nd among 62 5th graders in a 50 yard dash. i'm sure Lavar is doing much better than that, as a pro athlete in perfect physical condition with a much less sevier injury, and with a much more stringent regimen of therapy on it. i bet all my debt that he's fine by training camp.

[koepke25]

I think there is a better chance of Darrell Green coming out of retirement and starting opposite Ade Jimoh than Arrington not starting if he's healthy.

[Joe-T]

Wow, so Arrington can lose the starting job because of an injury.


Sorry I don't see it .If he's healthy he's playing and no one will keep him out . :Peace:

[Joe-T]

I know I'm new here but I'm a long time Skin's fan...Why would you want Lavar to start this year when we had the number one Defense almost all of last year, As good as they played last year I would think we can wait till he is 200% then bring him in to Rome the field. I think roming the field is what he likes best, He's like the head hunter then.. JMHO :)

Leadership ...you lost alot of it with free agency . :Padawan:

[LATrueRedskin]

If he's healthy, you better believe LA will start. No question in my mind, and no question in anybody elses. He's the man if he's ready to go. Lemar isn't a bad "plan b" though, he's proven that he can get the job done. I feel really good about our linebackers right now.

[silverspring]

you can't leave all that talent and money sitting on the bench he will play. I think if he is healthy he will blow people away. He got worked over by the media while he sat the bench last year. I am sure everyone remembers that he was called out as one of the most overrated players - while he was injured and not even playing. If anyone should have a chip on their shoulder and the feeling of wanting to prove something this year I believe that person is lavar.

[akhhorus]

Leadership ...you lost alot of it with free agency . :Padawan:

I assume you're referring to Pierce and Smoot? "Leaders" don't lie to the team and in public that they will resign with their team if the offers are close, then leave for small amounts more. They aren't leaders, they are greedy.

[CornerBlitz]

I assume you're referring to Pierce and Smoot? "Leaders" don't lie to the team and in public that they will resign with their team if the offers are close, then leave for small amounts more. They aren't leaders, they are greedy.
Great leaders can be greedy too IMO but I know what you are saying.

[GoDannyBoy]

Thanks for creating a thread on a slow news day. I know you don't really think the LaVar doesn't start, but have created a thread with three pages.

[akhhorus]

Great leaders can be greedy too IMO but I know what you are saying.

This is true, but I think its flawed to call them leaders since they were telling everyone who would listen that they would stay with their original team but when things went down, they leave for the money. They basically lied. Leaders don't do that.

[redskin_rich]

Leadership ...you lost alot of it with free agency . :Padawan:
Shouldn't that be we instead of you......hmmmm.... :spy:

[BigPlayJay]

Lavar will start, period.
I am sure given the Greg Williams defense theme Marshall will play a godd sized roll in things and will probably even see time at Lavar's spot as they move Lavar around.

[akhhorus]

Shouldn't that be we instead of you......hmmmm.... :spy:

Yeah, that was interesting....

[colkurtz]

The real question is whether LaVar will be healthy by the first game? I wonder. With his complaints that the team pushed him on the field too early, I think they will be ultra-conservative on this next return.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Shouldn't that be we instead of you......hmmmm.... :spy:
im with you on that one rich.....hmmm....

[COUNCILMAN]

I'd imagine the man will start barring any injury. While Marshall did a great job filling in, he doesn't posess nearly what LaVar could bring to a defense. We can move LaVar around so much to exploit everythign he has, which is needless to say, much more than Lemar

Not to knock Lemar in any way, but he's not as dynamic as LaVar and as long as he can pick up the scheme, do what he's told, he shoudl start and wreak havoc upon the unbelievers

Well, although Lavar is "dynamic" at times....he also misses tackles and over plays things sometimes. Marshall makes tackles. He is a solid tackler, good blitzer, and good in coverage.

He could start for most teams so if Lavar is healthy and can legitimately start ahead of him, then we are going to have some great linebacking. But if Lavar has ANY setbacks, I think its also good to know that Marshall is signed to a new deal and is ready to start.

[HanburgerBum]

Ok, well, I survived that question for the most part unscathed. :sfight:

Anyway, after some thought, I too agree w/ most of you that if LA is healthy, he starts. Not only is he a beast and a physical phenom, he's just too expensive to sit on the bench. And please, no brunnell ref's here. LA's cost/Ability ratio is much better than MB's.

I guess this all boils down to me being worried that LA's injury is a bit more severe than we thought. Last season we thought it was a 4 week knee sprain. Then, 6 weeks. Suddenly he's back but clearly lacking his MOJO. Then, he shuts it down for the season w/ 2 games left. I was kind of heart broken about that. I guess I'm trying to prepare myself for the worst.


Here's to Lavar having his best season ever! :stout:

BTW, despite what some of your are thinking, this is a valid question given LA's injury. Doesn't it usually take 2 years to come back from a knee injury like that??? I'm just preparing myself(and indirectly everyone else) for the possibility of him not being ready to go in september.


Hey, Mayhem, don't sell yourself short. I think you raised a legitimate question, and I disagree with all those who consider Lavar a slam-dunk to start.

Assuming Lavar is healthy, I guess he will start at the beginning of the season based upon his immense physical talents and reputation. Marshall would probably play in some packages if he is not starting at Mike. But, I hope Gregg Williams will have the guts to bench Lavar if he is out there free-wheeling and not playing within the system. The defense played great without him in 2004, and it is by no means clear that Lavar's presence would improve the defense.

Yeah, I know Lavar has made several pro-bowls, but I am not sure they were deserved. Lavar has not come close to being the next Lawrence Taylor, even though he is being paid like one.

To tell the truth, I am beginning to lose patience with Lavar, now that he has developed a big mouth as well. If he has another ho-hum year, the Skins should seriously explore the possiblity of parting company with him.

[CowboyKilla]

Slow down my friend. Put the Bong down. healthy=Starts. LOL.

[redwash]

I think there is a better chance of Darrell Green coming out of retirement and starting opposite Ade Jimoh than Arrington not starting if he's healthy.WOW, Darrell Green come out of retirement that would be nice, I do miss him a lot 20 years with the same team now that is a team player. Wish we had more like Darrell that would stay with the Skin's so we can get back to the Glory days, I want to see the Skin's in the Play off's this year, This is the year for the Skin's if history can repeat it's self... :)

[redwolf1218]

i think Lavar will be fine for the season opener. he is a physical specimen and he is receiving the best treatment and therapy available.

[ppease]

The only reason Lavar doesn't start is if he is injured. If Lavar is healthy he will live up to his full potential in Greg Williams defense. And that will make the Redskins #1 defense this season. Also this will give us more takeaways.

Last season our defense was really respected; with a healthy Lavar, our defense this season will be feared.

At least that's my hope and opinion.

[Chief Redskin]

Well, although Lavar is "dynamic" at times....he also misses tackles and over plays things sometimes. Marshall makes tackles. He is a solid tackler, good blitzer, and good in coverage.

He could start for most teams so if Lavar is healthy and can legitimately start ahead of him, then we are going to have some great linebacking. But if Lavar has ANY setbacks, I think its also good to know that Marshall is signed to a new deal and is ready to start.

This sounds just like when you said that Betts could start for most teams. What is your obsession with immortalizing our second string players?

[Redskinmayhem]

Lavar will start, period.
I am sure given the Greg Williams defense theme Marshall will play a godd sized roll in things and will probably even see time at Lavar's spot as they move Lavar around.


A couple of things I want to mention here. Of course I think (and know) That LAvar is by far the Superior football player. But there's the question of his health. I thought this was a valid question given all the points I made in the initial post. That was all Assuming that Marshall doesn't end up at MLB which I would think that he does end up there. Another thing is that I hope MArshall doesn't get to hyped up about his play last year and suddenly turn Antonio Pierce on us and leave at his first chance. He's a good Solid guy that you NEED on your team, regardless if he starts or not. I hope GW rewards him in some way, either w/ Playing time or special packages...Lavar, IS the playmaker though. I think he takes those chances that sometimes put him out of position because he CAN and HAS made big plays off of taking those chances.

My only worry about this turned out to be LA's injury and wether or not he would be ready to start come september.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Of Course he will start. As long as he is healthy, expect to see him on the field.

[redwolf1218]

last year, in the last preseason game (remember what he did to Vick to make their coaches take him out after only 3 plays) and the 1st couple of regular season games before Lavar got hurt, he was running around making plays all over the place. one of those highlight videos that went around on here a while back, it was either the Taylor one or the Pierce one i believe, i kept noticing Lavar reaking havoc. he can make big plays, and he can draw the kind of attention that allows others to make big plays.

[openallnight]

Anytime you think LaVar may ride the pine, take look back at his first play back late in the season. He charged the play and absolutely blew-up the pulling guard coming around the end, knocking him head over heels and single-handedly destroying the sweep the Vikings were running.
Man I remember that play, it was freakin' awesome! Anybody got a clip of that?

[Joe-T]

Shouldn't that be we instead of you......hmmmm.... :spy:

no actually ....youv'e :flower1:

[skinfanjon]

i think Lavar will be fine for the season opener. he is a physical specimen and he is receiving the best treatment and therapy available.

True, but that was true last season also when he went down with what was supposed to be a 2-3 week injury. That's when the medically insane began to occur. I'm not sold that it can't happen again. My gut says he is about 60/40 for TC, and about 80/20 for the opener.

[HanburgerBum]

McCune is a MLB, Holdman will probably also play MLB or SLB(filling in for Washington). Lavar is a WLB--in Chicago, Rosie Colvin played the WLB, Holdman(when he was very good) played the SLB. And there is a major difference between the positions. Even just considering Lavar's salary, he will play if he is healthy over every LB within a 30 mile radius of Redskins Park.


By "every LB", did you mean WLB? If you meant any LB position, I would take Marcus Washington over Lavar right now. And, is Baltimore within 30 miles of Redskins Park? If so, I would take Ray Lewis over Lavar also. Yeah, Lavar has the physical talents to be better than MW or RL, but the production hasn't been there on the field.

[Joe-T]

This is true, but I think its flawed to call them leaders since they were telling everyone who would listen that they would stay with their original team but when things went down, they leave for the money. They basically lied. Leaders don't do that.


...but then that's only what the Redskins say ,I'm sure they would say something else .

[gibbsisgod]

laver starts lemar moves to the middle but, doesn't start till later on in the season

[Bigskinbauer]

I would imagine there is about zero chance of Marshall starting over Arrington.
if lavar is healthy i have the same chance to start as lamar

[COUNCILMAN]

if lavar is healthy i have the same chance to start as lamar

You would have said the same thing last year...and Marshall started how many games?

yea yea....I know. You're going to say something like "Hey dude, Lavar was injured when Marshall started". And your point is?

Guess who is starting this weekend in minicamp?

Lavar still has to prove he can be a healthy player. I'll believe it when I see it and he plays 16 games.

[Dept_of_Defense]

LA will definently start this year if he is healthy enough. I can't wait to see the "Lavar Leap" on Sportscenter this year.
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[RedskinForLife]

Lavar will start if he is healthy

[Redskinmayhem]

LA will definently start this year if he is healthy enough. I can't wait to see the "Lavar Leap" on Sportscenter this year.


I'm deffinitely looking forward to that. Actaully I hope LA sends Drew "Bleed-So-Much" into an early retirement!!!!!

[HAWGZHEAD]

I hope to God he starts he makes the game that much more fun to watch and has a serious impact on the opposing QB's decisions.

[gibbs4pres]

I don't quite get this whole Lavar thing. Shouldn't he be back by now? Does anyone think that maybe this whole contract thing is linked, you know, contract thing over all the sudden healthy? Maybe it's just me. :typeR2:

[2Cooley]

I don't quite get this whole Lavar thing. Shouldn't he be back by now? Does anyone think that maybe this whole contract thing is linked, you know, contract thing over all the sudden healthy? Maybe it's just me. :typeR2:

he had a knee sugery, another one

[RedskinRyan]

I would imagine there is about zero chance of Marshall starting over Arrington.

its a guarantee there's zero chance. unless arrington gets injured again.

[openallnight]

What's next? Will someone suggest that Betts start over Portis? . . . Oh, wait I think that's already been done ;)

[RedskinRyan]

What's next? Will someone suggest that Betts start over Portis? . . . Oh, wait I think that's already been done ;)

maybe gibbs can be running abcks coach and byner can be our head coach?

[Hate d' cowboys]

I can't believe I am even responding to this thread.

Of Course Lavar Starts!!!!

Good call, Lavar is the component that takes us from #3 to the #1 D in the league. The real question is whether or not S. Tay will start.

[akhhorus]

...but then that's only what the Redskins say ,I'm sure they would say something else .

No, Smoot and Pierce said specifically that they would stay if the redskins offers was within a few million. There was a audio link posted here by 2Cooley where Smoot says that himself. And guess what, they both lied. Leaders don't lie like that.

[akhhorus]

By "every LB", did you mean WLB? If you meant any LB position, I would take Marcus Washington over Lavar right now. And, is Baltimore within 30 miles of Redskins Park? If so, I would take Ray Lewis over Lavar also. Yeah, Lavar has the physical talents to be better than MW or RL, but the production hasn't been there on the field.

Baltimore is past 30 miles from Redskins Park I believe. I would probably take Lavar over Ray(Ray is seriously overrated and always has been-Peter King once wrote that the Ravens Stat staff always credits Ray with a tackle if he's anywhere near the play and you wont get an argument from most NFL beat writers outside of Baltimore that Lewis is not the superstar that ESPN and the fans make him out to be). Marcus Washington is a good solid player, but he doesnt have anywhere near the physical ability or talent that Lavar has.

[21ppg=superbowl]

Ray Lewis is a beast. Don't kid yourselves. He's what -- a 12 year vet with about 150 tackles last year?

Ray Lewis doesn't miss tackles. Lavar does. Lavar goes high all the time trying to kill the guy, or gets out of position and takes himself out of the play. I still love LA and admit that he's a heck of an athlete, but Ray Lewis is much more productive, especially considering how old he is and the level of play he still brings to the field.

[akhhorus]

Ray Lewis is a beast. Don't kid yourselves. He's what -- a 12 year vet with about 150 tackles last year?

Ray Lewis doesn't miss tackles. Lavar does. Lavar goes high all the time trying to kill the guy, or gets out of position and takes himself out of the play. I still love LA and admit that he's a heck of an athlete, but Ray Lewis is much more productive, especially considering how old he is and the level of play he still brings to the field.

Read what I said about Ray's tackle totals. Peter King watched him for 3 games and found that the Ravens stat guys credited him with at least twice the tackles he actually made. Lewis was great when he had two big DTs in front of him(so did Urlacher and most MLBs look great with that), but without Goose/Sam Adams, Lewis' play has declined.

[Joe-T]

I assume you're referring to Pierce and Smoot? "Leaders" don't lie to the team and in public that they will resign with their team if the offers are close, then leave for small amounts more. They aren't leaders, they are greedy.


No Rocky their players with families,maybe you should get a job yourself and try living in the real world . Is LaVar Greedy ? The Skins owe him 6$million(he says) is he greedy ...and if he is according to you he's not a team leader ,right? :lol1:

[Joe-T]

Read what I said about Ray's tackle totals. Peter King watched him for 3 games and found that the Ravens stat guys credited him with at least twice the tackles he actually made. Lewis was great when he had two big DTs in front of him(so did Urlacher and most MLBs look great with that), but without Goose/Sam Adams, Lewis' play has declined.

What about the NFL's stat guy ? Peter King ??? :cry:

[akhhorus]

No Rocky their players with families,maybe you should get a job yourself and try living in the real world . Is LaVar Greedy ? The Skins owe him 6$million(he says) is he greedy ...and if he is according to you he's not a team leader ,right? :lol1:

Blah blah blah. I fully understand taking more money, but if you're really just going to go for the biggest contract, why would you lie in public and to your employer that you weren't going for that? And that if it was close, you would stay? Leaders don't do that. Good people don't do that. People with character don't do that. Maybe you lived in the real world or had a real education you would see that.

Please show where I called him a team leader? I called him a great player, must have missed where I called him a great leader. Maybe you should also take your own advice to people here and read the posts before you post. And we don't know why Lavar is doing this grievance. Unless there is something no-one knows about, he can't win.

[akhhorus]

What about the NFL's stat guy ? Peter King ??? :cry:

The nfl generally takes the team's stats on things like tackles since they are subjective.

[redwolf1218]

No Rocky their players with families,maybe you should get a job yourself and try living in the real world . Is LaVar Greedy ? The Skins owe him 6$million(he says) is he greedy ...and if he is according to you he's not a team leader ,right? :lol1:
Lavar has not proven himself to be a team leader yet. That's exactly what i've been hoping for. he's going into this year as the highest paid player on the team so hopefully he will be a leader.

[akhhorus]

Lavar has not proven himself to be a team leader yet. That's exactly what i've been hoping for. he's going into this year as the highest paid player on the team so hopefully he will be a leader.

And I don't recall anyone calling him a leader here. I think he could be one, but he hasn't acted like one.

[redwolf1218]

And I don't recall anyone calling him a leader here. I think he could be one, but he hasn't acted like one.
and it's long overdue. i think he will emerge as one this year, but i'm always overly optimistic, sometimes to a fault. he needs to step up this year and i think he will in this system.

[HanburgerBum]

Baltimore is past 30 miles from Redskins Park I believe. I would probably take Lavar over Ray(Ray is seriously overrated and always has been-Peter King once wrote that the Ravens Stat staff always credits Ray with a tackle if he's anywhere near the play and you wont get an argument from most NFL beat writers outside of Baltimore that Lewis is not the superstar that ESPN and the fans make him out to be). Marcus Washington is a good solid player, but he doesnt have anywhere near the physical ability or talent that Lavar has.


When it comes to being over-rated, I think Lavar is ahead of Ray Lewis. As I have said before, Lavar often gambles and gets himself out of position. His play is one of flash and huge hits, instead of consistent excellence.

As between Lavar and Marcus, I believe Marcus plays at a consistently high level. If the Redskins can keep only one of them down the road, I think they should opt for Marcus. He is less expensive and wil give the Skins a bigger bang for the dollar.

[akhhorus]

When it comes to being over-rated, I think Lavar is ahead of Ray Lewis. As I have said before, Lavar often gambles and gets himself out of position. His play is one of flash and huge hits, instead of consistent excellence.

As between Lavar and Marcus, I believe Marcus plays at a consistently high level. If the Redskins can keep only one of them down the road, I think they should opt for Marcus. He is less expensive and wil give the Skins a bigger bang for the dollar.

But I think most of Lavar's problems stem from the facts that he's had 5 different defensive coordinators that schemed him to do 5 different things. And on top of that, only Lewis and Williams used him properly-as an attacking LB. We saw what Lavar could do against Tampa last year when healthy in the 46 system. Washington did make the Pro Bowl, but Lavar is the better player right now. And Lavar isnt going anywhere with his contract for five years at least.

[HanburgerBum]

But I think most of Lavar's problems stem from the facts that he's had 5 different defensive coordinators that schemed him to do 5 different things. And on top of that, only Lewis and Williams used him properly-as an attacking LB. We saw what Lavar could do against Tampa last year when healthy in the 46 system. Washington did make the Pro Bowl, but Lavar is the better player right now. And Lavar isnt going anywhere with his contract for five years at least.


Well, I hope you are right about Lavar. I certainly want him to play at a level commensurate with his pay. Also, I hope he will be able to put the grievance ruling behind him and not pout and sulk, when he losses.

[akhhorus]

Well, I hope you are right about Lavar. I certainly want him to play at a level commensurate with his pay. Also, I hope he will be able to put the grievance ruling behind him and not pout and sulk, when he losses.

I still think Lavar has as much physical talent as anyone since LT at LB, however his first five years as a Redskins have just had him being jerked around in a different scheme and a difference coordinator each year. The only way to play Lavar is as a disruptive force. Have him attack the opponents' back field no matter if that means he's out of position or vunrable to misdirection plays. His speed and strength will create more plays than he lets up for the defense.

[GWBlitzST]

Could someone who's qualified put up a thread about this link?

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/positional-rankings/DEF/

It has some interesting ratings. I think the Redskins D got shafted as usual, but it's nice to see some of our guys get some credit. Clinton Portis was ranked as the #2 running back.

[The Iceman]

put it this way... i dont see anyone walking around w/ lemar marshall jerseys.. why???? he's not a starter. the redskins will definetly start arrington if he is healthy... if not for the fact that he is a damn beast.. then for the fact that he is a supreme fan favorite... and you know gibbs, after winning, he's all about the fans.

[2Cooley]

Could someone who's qualified put up a thread about this link?

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/positional-rankings/DEF/

It has some interesting ratings. I think the Redskins D got shafted as usual, but it's nice to see some of our guys get some credit. Clinton Portis was ranked as the #2 running back.
there is one

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=26720

[2Cooley]

Is today lavars bitrthday?

[redwolf1218]

Is today lavars bitrthday?
indeed it is.
Born: June 20, 1978, Pittsburgh, PA

[2Cooley]

indeed it is.
Born: June 20, 1978, Pittsburgh, PA
well than happy birthday Lavar

[redwolf1218]

But I think most of Lavar's problems stem from the facts that he's had 5 different defensive coordinators that schemed him to do 5 different things. And on top of that, only Lewis and Williams used him properly-as an attacking LB. We saw what Lavar could do against Tampa last year when healthy in the 46 system. Washington did make the Pro Bowl, but Lavar is the better player right now. And Lavar isnt going anywhere with his contract for five years at least.
i couldnt believe when Ray Rhodes had him line up in front of the tight end every time and just block the guy. then Marvin Lewis has him put his hand on the ground (for the 1st time in his career) and go again 300 pound tackles and he still responded with 11 sacks. Kurt Schottenheimer had him playing in coverage as a read and react guy and he responded with the pick and TD that turned the season around. I believe he'll go off this year with Williams.