Tiger what are you thinking

[padraic]

Well i found myself pulling for Tiger on sunday, not something i do very often, but i really wanted to see him win or atlest make it a playoff might be i just wanted to see more golf i was really enjoying the day.

Well today someone sent me a link to Czabens site, well like myself he is not a big Tiger fan but look at what he did on friday i had not heard or seen this
http://czabe.com/mediaclips/index.shtml?a=showclip&id=316

To me it is a big time bush league move, you just do not do that kind of thing to the green. Non golfers might look at it and say no big deal he just draged his putter, or what ever, but it goes a little deeper then that. Tiger is the #1 guy in golf he has alot more people watching when he is in a tourney and i belive he needs to be a better job then this of showing people how to act when things are not going your way, cause in golf there is a lot of time when you things are not going to go your way.

[smoak]

I actually watch a little of the Open on Sunday and I was pulling for Gore, who I guess went in the tank.

Re: Tiger, I think he is one of those who is competitive to a fault. You shouldn't let competitness ruin your professionalism out there. But that is just a guess.

[tbfoster1]

Well i found myself pulling for Tiger on sunday, not something i do very often, but i really wanted to see him win or atlest make it a playoff might be i just wanted to see more golf i was really enjoying the day.

Well today someone sent me a link to Czabens site, well like myself he is not a big Tiger fan but look at what he did on friday i had not heard or seen this
http://czabe.com/mediaclips/index.shtml?a=showclip&id=316

To me it is a big time bush league move, you just do not do that kind of thing to the green. Non golfers might look at it and say no big deal he just draged his putter, or what ever, but it goes a little deeper then that. Tiger is the #1 guy in golf he has alot more people watching when he is in a tourney and i belive he needs to be a better job then this of showing people how to act when things are not going your way, cause in golf there is a lot of time when you things are not going to go your way.

I heard about that but didn't see it. Thats suprising to see coming from Tiger but he gets a mulligan from me on that one.

I had to school some young fella on the course the other day. He kept stepping in my line and my brother in laws line. We're talking, all the weight on one foot bending over to pick the ball out of the cup at times...right in my damn line. I finally had enough and I gave him a good talking to.

I too was hoping that Tiger would have made it to a playoff, hell I wanted him to win. I always root for Tiger. I've been watching the Open like a fiend since it started and Sunday was alot of fun and I wasn't ready for it to end but that guy Campbell did not falter. He kept himself together and played a fantastic round. I was very impressed

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

Well i found myself pulling for Tiger on sunday, not something i do very often, but i really wanted to see him win or atlest make it a playoff might be i just wanted to see more golf i was really enjoying the day.

Well today someone sent me a link to Czabens site, well like myself he is not a big Tiger fan but look at what he did on friday i had not heard or seen this
http://czabe.com/mediaclips/index.shtml?a=showclip&id=316

To me it is a big time bush league move, you just do not do that kind of thing to the green. Non golfers might look at it and say no big deal he just draged his putter, or what ever, but it goes a little deeper then that. Tiger is the #1 guy in golf he has alot more people watching when he is in a tourney and i belive he needs to be a better job then this of showing people how to act when things are not going your way, cause in golf there is a lot of time when you things are not going to go your way.
I dont care for Tiger he dosent have enough fun unless he is winning I know golf can get to the best of us but he is a real pouter when things dont go his way. Still his actions pale in comparison to what that guy did last week i think it was azinger. not sure but that was just wrong but funny.

[rskinsfan10]

I dont care for Tiger he dosent have enough fun unless he is winning I know golf can get to the best of us but he is a real pouter when things dont go his way. Still his actions pale in comparison to what that guy did last week i think it was azinger. not sure but that was just wrong but funny.No one is having fun or smiling when they aren't winning unless their last name is Mickelson, and even that goofy grin was wiped off of his face this past weekend. Everyone on tour pouts when things aren't going well. Tiger gets more face time then everyone else, so his is seen more.

As far as the incident itself, I'm not sure I understand why such a big deal is being made of it. He temporarily lost his cool. I'm pretty certain he wasn't trying to ruin the green for everyone playing behind him. Was it bad etiquette? Indeed it was. Was it the the only time a player on tour has made a bad decision and lost his cool. Absolutely not, and it will certainly not be the last time. I don't think that Tiger has any more responsibility as far as being "professional" then anyone else on tour. I'm sure that what he did wouldn't effect some kid watching more then say the countless times I've seen someone throw their club then clearly say a few choice curse words for all the cameras and mics to see and hear.

[CarMike]

Kinda off topic but funny never the less.

Beverly and Caleb [wife and son] took me to play putt-putt for fathers day yesturday.

Around the 8th hole Caleb was putting from about 5 feet out. The ball missed the hole. Out of no where Caleb gets down on all fours near his ball and said, "are you too good for your home? Why don't you want to go home?" :D [happy gilmore reference for those wondering what was so funny about it]

I was in tears. And the course was full of kids with their dads and moms. Normally he's very shy. I think he forgot where he was.

I'm not a big golfer by any means. So I don't see the big deal. Its not like no one else has done that same thing. But since it was Tiger they put it on the web for the world to see. That video was the first time I had heard about it.

[padraic]

It was Rory Sabatini that walked off on ben crane and that was alot worse, but face it its Rory. Like it or not Tiger is not just any golfer, putting a 3 foot mark on the green is not cool, i do not care what other bad behavior goes on.
Im sure they had Green keepers on it right away, i could see if it was an accident but he did it in anger he knew what he was doing. Like TB he gets a Mulli in my book i just hope it ends here.

[smoot]

wow, im glad i dont play golf. those are some stict rules. whats the problem with dragging your putter, it didnt damage the grass and it didnt hurt anybody else so whats the beef?

[smoak]

Yeah, I'm with smoot (the poster not the ex-Redskin).... as a non-golfer, I don't understand it? I have no problem with Tiger looking unhappy when he is losing as long as he isn't a poor sport about it.

[CarMike]

Golf has a lot of rules that non golfers don't know about. I was almost killed by my buddies when I walked thru the bunker without raking over it when I was out.

You never walk in the line of a ball to the hole. They think your foot steps cause indentions and can make your ball go to the left or right. Numerous more that I can't think of. But in a golfers eyes its big.

[smoak]

Interesting, and it makes sense once you explain it.

Oh and the Caleb story is hysterical. I would have lost it had I saw someone do that.... What would have mad it perfect is if the course had a hole with a laughing clown. :D

[CarMike]

The kid is always doing things that blow me away. They really do pay attention when you think they're not...lol

[smoak]

I just heard a description of what Tiger did and he should absolutely pay some type of penalty IMO. I would be shocked if the PGS suspended their #1 draw (Happy Gilmore got suspended), but I would throw him out for 1 major. Nobody is abouve their sport, and the fact that he left an actual indent on the green seems inexusable. Imagine if Gore or some other marginal player did that. It is unsportsmanlike and border line cheating if someone playing behind you has to putt through the indent he created.

But I am taking this from a radio interview on TK's show so I may still be off base.

[padraic]

I just heard a description of what Tiger did and he should absolutely pay some type of penalty IMO. I would be shocked if the PGS suspended their #1 draw (Happy Gilmore got suspended), but I would throw him out for 1 major. Nobody is abouve their sport, and the fact that he left an actual indent on the green seems inexusable. Imagine if Gore or some other marginal player did that. It is unsportsmanlike and border line cheating if someone playing behind you has to putt through the indent he created.

But I am taking this from a radio interview on TK's show so I may still be off base.


No its not a big deal, i think we should all go out to the local muni and give it a shot this weekend. :lol1: Im not sure if makeing him miss a major is the way to go, but it sure would be nice to hear an im sorry.

[smoak]

No its not a big deal, i think we should all go out to the local muni and give it a shot this weekend. :lol1: Im not sure if makeing him miss a major is the way to go, but it sure would be nice to hear an im sorry.

Maybe I have an NFL mentality, but I think missing playing time is the only way to get through to an athlete.

And I have nothing against Tiger... my default thought is always suspension.

[padraic]

Maybe I have an NFL mentality, but I think missing playing time is the only way to get through to an athlete.

And I have nothing against Tiger... my default thought is always suspension.


The only reason i was willing to give him a pass is because of how much he has done for golf and how he has brought it into the mainstream, the thing is golfers play when they want to, its almost like suspending a pitcher between starts.

[rskinsfan10]

It was Rory Sabatini that walked off on ben crane and that was alot worse, but face it its Rory. Like it or not Tiger is not just any golfer, putting a 3 foot mark on the green is not cool, i do not care what other bad behavior goes on.
Im sure they had Green keepers on it right away, i could see if it was an accident but he did it in anger he knew what he was doing. Like TB he gets a Mulli in my book i just hope it ends here.Again, who said that it was cool? Sabbatini showed up his playing partner in the worst way, but you weren't here creating threads about it. I've heard that quietly, alot of members on tour actually walked up to him and thanked him for what he did because they wanted attention bought back to those that are notoriously slow players. Bad etiquette being congratulated? I find that highly ironic personally. It's obvious that you don't care what other bad behavior goes on because you are here denouncing Tiger, a player that you openly don't like, but there was no thread about Sabbatini's actions until someone esle mentioned it earlier. Etiquette is etiquette. If Tiger had been given some type of special treatment in any regard that was denied to another golfer, would you then be here saying "Hey, it's Tiger. He deserves to not have that special treatment because he is the face of golf." Somehow I don't think so. The fact is, golfers of all levels lose their cool every now and then. Michael Jordan got into 2-3 fights in his career. Larry Bird and Dr. J went toe to toe once. Let's stop acting as though Tiger is an habitual offender in regards to leaving marks on the greens.

BTW, who is you favorite golfer? I'd like to find a picture of him to use as my avatar after one of the many tournaments that he was left watching Tiger lift one his many trophies.

[padraic]

Again, who said that it was cool? Sabbatini showed up his playing partner in the worst way, but you weren't here creating threads about it. I've heard that quietly, alot of members on tour actually walked up to him and thanked him for what he did because they wanted attention bought back to those that are notoriously slow players. Bad etiquette being congratulated? I find that highly ironic personally. It's obvious that you don't care what other bad behavior goes on because you are here denouncing Tiger, a player that you openly don't like, but there was no thread about Sabbatini's actions until someone esle mentioned it earlier. Etiquette is etiquette. If Tiger had been given some type of special treatment in any regard that was denied to another golfer, would you then be here saying "Hey, it's Tiger. He deserves to not have that special treatment because he is the face of golf." Somehow I don't think so. The fact is, golfers of all levels lose their cool every now and then. Michael Jordan got into 2-3 fights in his career. Larry Bird and Dr. J went toe to toe once. Let's stop acting as though Tiger is an habitual offender in regards to leaving marks on the greens.

BTW, who is you favorite golfer? I'd like to find a picture of him to use as my avatar after one of the many tournaments that he was left watching Tiger lift one his many trophies.


a little bitter there huh Ken, your my Favorite golfer :lol1: I tell you what pal why don't you pull that stunt and see what you playing partners think. And who said he was habitual? Its nice to know that you see nothing wrong with him damageing the course, in your words whats the big deal.

If you do not see a difference in Rory 0 majors and Tiger 9 majors, well i do not know what to say to that one! Its obvious you missed my piont when i said Rory was in the bad for what he did to Ben, as far as the baskeball comparison i not sure what the piont of that was.

Lets cut to the chase, Im not a tiger fan i do not think i have ever done anything to hide the fact. I have always had respect for his skill and what he is able to do for the game. Hence why i think he should get a break for this as i stated in post. I wanted people to see what i thought was poor actions on his part.

You on the other hand(and im going to put words in your mouth) see Tiger as not being able to do any wrong, if you are indeed a golfer and you do not see his actions as anything other then that you are turning a blind eye.

If my avater bums you out that much i will change it.

[skinfanjon]

Huge mistake by Tiger, simply because he knows better. Imagine if someone else had done it and Tiger was the next to play the greens...think f the hissyfit he would have. I love Tiger, he is my favorite golfer, but he really deserves some sort of penalty for this. Everyone who golfs reguarly KNOWS it is bush league to do that to a green, no matter how bad your impulse is you just don't do it. Tiger knows this better than any of us, as he plays more golf in a day than we do in a month. In my mind he felt the urge, knew it was wrong, did it anyway. That is NOT cool.

[rskinsfan10]

a little bitter there huh Ken, your my Favorite golfer :lol1: I tell you what pal why don't you pull that stunt and see what you playing partners think. And who said he was habitual? Its nice to know that you see nothing wrong with him damageing the course, in your words whats the big deal.

If you do not see a difference in Rory 0 majors and Tiger 9 majors, well i do not know what to say to that one! Its obvious you missed my piont when i said Rory was in the bad for what he did to Ben, as far as the baskeball comparison i not sure what the piont of that was.

Lets cut to the chase, Im not a tiger fan i do not think i have ever done anything to hide the fact. I have always had respect for his skill and what he is able to do for the game. Hence why i think he should get a break for this as i stated in post. I wanted people to see what i thought was poor actions on his part.

You on the other hand(and im going to put words in your mouth) see Tiger as not being able to do any wrong, if you are indeed a golfer and you do not see his actions as anything other then that you are turning a blind eye.

If my avater bums you out that much i will change it.You are doing a great job at putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said what he did wasn't wrong. While you are attempting to do so, I'll show you where I clearly said it was wrong. Was it bad etiquette? Indeed it was.You are turning a blind eye to what I said. Show me where I said that Tiger can do no wrong. I love it when people like yourself point out what those that they don't particularly care for or root against do wrong, but turn a blind eye to other transgressions. Where was your Sabbatini thread? You are trying to tell me that the amount of his wins in comparison to Tiger's matters when he does something that goes against etiquette? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Wrong is wrong, but you have already made it clear that you don't care about other wrongs, just what Tiger did in this case. The basketball comparison really shouldn't be that hard to comprehend, but I'll attempt to help you along with it. You mentioned that Tiger was the face of golf or something along those lines, and I responded that doesn't make him above losing his cool. I then named three players that were considered ambassadors, or "faces" of the NBA during their time in the league and showed you instances where they actually threw punches on the court, which despite what you may think goes against what basketball and those guys were about. To recap, faces of the game losing their collective cool. Tiger, the face of golf as you say, losing his cool. Got it?

Did anyone come behind Tiger and say that what he did cost them some putts? Give me links. You yourself said that you're certain that the grounds crew was on it and corrected it quickly, and Tiger himself went behind himself and did his own part in trying to fix the damage that he had caused, so that goes along with my premise that you are making too much of this. The fact that there aren't a plethra of articles all over the web about this tells me that not too many others are making a big deal of this either, but I suppose that those that aren't acting as though the golfing world should be brought to it's knees about this simply aren't in touch with how we really should feel about this, right?

As far as the avatar goes, it doesn't bother me one bit. I like to fight fire with fire. Name your favorite golfer on tour so that I can become Axegrinder Jr. find enough different pictures to have a different avatar of them looking bummed out everyday. Please, put it back up. Somehow I tend to like my chances.

[rskinsfan10]

Woods didn’t attempt to apologize for the incident, and he wasn’t penalized for it despite the USGA saying his actions “may be understood as a breach of etiquette.”

In a statement, the organization said that since it was a one-time occurrence, it did not qualify as a “serious breach” that would require a penalty. The USGA also said a rule prohibiting scraping the putting surface for testing purposes wasn’t broken because Woods had just a tap-in left and wasn’t trying to test the green.I guess the USGA, like myself, doesn't feel as though Tiger can do any wrong either.... :rolleyes:

[padraic]

im going to go ahead and let this one die, you are correct i was in the wrong i can not belive i did not see it like you, im sorry and i do not know what i was thinking. Tigger is THE MAN and is from now on my super hero.

[rskinsfan10]

I'm not into game playing. Don't patronize me. If you want to debate points, then fine do so. If you expect me or anyone else to simply agree with you, then act as though they are out of their minds if they don't, then find another forum.

[padraic]

I'm not into game playing. Don't patronize me. If you want to debate points, then fine do so. If you expect me or anyone else to simply agree with you, then act as though they are out of their minds if they don't, then find another forum.


I want publicly say im sorry, i was patronizeing you. i guess we will agree to dis agree on this one, also soryy for the rory thread i was just being a smart ass, it was kind of funny though...