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Spence
06-29-2005, 01:41 PM
Only the third country in the world to do so. (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/28/samesex050628.html) Belgium and Holland are the other two.
sherry the moron
06-29-2005, 01:48 PM
Only the third country in the world to do so. (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/28/samesex050628.html) Belgium and Holland are the other two.

i can't wait for the new TV show. the ratings will be sky high !
be sure to watch --------> " GAY divorce court " ;)
lakewinola
06-29-2005, 02:35 PM
How long until the GOP base starts demanding sanction against canada?
Axegrinder
06-29-2005, 02:42 PM
How long until the GOP base starts demanding sanction against canada?
That will never happen.If it did,who'd be in charge of guarding/patrolling the border?We've proved that we have problems with that.
Minnesota Mike
06-29-2005, 02:42 PM
Only the third country in the world to do so. (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/28/samesex050628.html) Belgium and Holland are the other two.

This is all because of the NHL lookout. This wouldn't have happened if there had been a hockey season.
sherry the moron
06-29-2005, 02:51 PM
That will never happen.If it did,who'd be in charge of guarding/patrolling the border?We've proved that we have problems with that.

" . . . who'd be in charge of guarding/patrolling the border? "

is there ANYONE " guarding/patrolling the border? " ? ? ? :rolleyes:
Ibleedburgundy
06-29-2005, 03:51 PM
How long until the GOP base starts demanding sanction against canada?

Do tarriffs count? Been there done that.
CNYSkinFan
06-29-2005, 04:40 PM
Only the third country in the world to do so. (http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/28/samesex050628.html) Belgium and Holland are the other two.

I wonder if the Phelps will now go protest Canada. I love our neighbors to the north but they can deal with them for awhile. That way when they get beat up they can get free health care.
Spence
06-30-2005, 10:29 AM
Spain becomes the 4th country... (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/international/europe/30cnd-spain.html?)
CNYSkinFan
06-30-2005, 10:47 AM
Spain becomes the 4th country... (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/international/europe/30cnd-spain.html?)

If a highly conservative catholic countrey like Spain can do it...why can't we? Have we fallen that far off the right end?
Minnesota Mike
06-30-2005, 11:10 AM
Spain becomes the 4th country... (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/international/europe/30cnd-spain.html?)

I guess I can't blame this one on the NHL lookout. What about a bull fighter's strike. Maybe there is one of those go on.
Agrawog
06-30-2005, 04:16 PM
Actually the change in Spain is an ironic twist for red-state conservatives here. It appears that the country is relatively split on this idea and on the idea of gays adopting children. But their congress is run by a liberal coalition that decided to act in the best interests of the people according to them (hmmm..remind anyone of any president of party you know of?) and executed the bill anyway.

The vote was very close 187-147. The bill is now law! Man their system is fast (their Senate is strictly advisory). People can start getting married as soon as Friday.

It is rather amazing that even half that country thought this was ok given how strongly the catholic church influences things.

Their law is very powerful:

"Today, Spanish society is responding to a group of people who have been humiliated, whose rights have been ignored, their dignity offended, their identity denied and their freedom restricted," Prime Minister José Luis Rodíguez Zapatero told Parliament.

Spain is the fourth country to legalize gay marriage, after Canada, Holland and Belgium.

But only Canada's law, which was extended nationwide by Parliament this week, contains language as liberal as Spain's, according to gay marriage advocates.

The Spanish measure simply adds one sentence to existing law: "Marriage will have the same requirements and results when the two people entering into the contract are of the same sex or of different sexes."

The laws in Holland and Belgium, by contrast, create a separate category of rights for same-sex couples that fall short of full equality on issues like adoption, these advocates say.

Dissent, however is also strong:

Although it had no practical effect, the Senate vote indicated the sharp opposition to the bill that has emerged in Spanish society, particularly among religious conservatives.

Some two weeks ago, hundreds of thousands of people marched through downtown Madrid in protest against the bill, saying it was an assault on the institution of marriage.

The mayor of Valladolid, Francisco Javier León de la Riva, has said that he will not carry out the new law, and Catholic leaders have called on government officials to become conscientious objectors and to refuse to participate in any events involving the marriage of homosexual couples.

Shortly after the preliminary vote in April, the archbishop of Barcelona, Cardinal Ricard María Carlés Gordó, , compared government workers opposing the law but agreeing to carry it out to the Nazis at Auschwitz, who "believed that they had to obey the laws of the Nazi government before their own conscience."

- NY Times

Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/30/international/europe/30cnd-spain.html?)