Rumored Kwame Sign and Trade...

[guinness4health]

980 is reporting that the Wizards are in talks with New York for a sign and trade.

The deal as reported involves Kwame Brown and Michael Sweetney swaping teams.

Sorry can't find a written source yet.

I for one like the trade as it nets us a productive role player, that has a good post presence, that will rebound the ball, can be productive without disrupting the offense and can consistently hit the open 15-18 foot jumpshot....

for a kid that doesn't seem to want to be in washington, nor has he given any evidence that he will develop the work effort to make him a star. Even if Kwame turns it around in New York and becomes an allstar (althought you have to wonder how the kid is going to handle the press and the fans in New York when crumbled under the minimum pressure in washington) i like this trade because sweetney seems like a better fit right now.....plus it gives Etan a short at being the starting power forward with sweetney providing a post threat off the bench.

[whitskins]

Hahahaha, Kwame in New York??? They will undoubtedly EAT HIM ALIVE. The media there is absolutely venemous, he will never survive that. Wow that would be a train wreck, exactly what Isiah Thomas needs...

I don't know much about Sweetney though, could he help us, and in what capacity. I feel like we need a solid starting power forward, not just someone who can come off the bench. Is Sweetney the guy or do we need to find someone better as well?

[Dre-The-Great]

I think this would be a great trade...Sweetney can come right in and start...he is automatic under the basket...with a sweet jumpshot...I've been watching him since he played with Oxon Hill...I hope this trade goes through...we would be very much improved...I hope we can also get a draft pick out of the deal too.

[thecheat48]

Early post season rumors were Kurt Thomas from NY. I said hell no, no one over 30. I suggested Sweetney early on. I've always liked Sweetney and would love to see him back in DC again, playin at MCI with a Wizards uniform. Solid, not amazing, player who will work hard and I think fit well in the rotation with Thomas, Haywood, Ruffin etc.

Grunfeld, make it happen.

[GMUskinsfan]

No this better not be true i'm a knicks fan and i like sweetney if this trade goes through i'll have to hide my head in shame for atleast another season memo to isiah find a coach before you start making player moves

[X-Factor13]

if thomas makes this move he's an idiot.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Hahahaha, Kwame in New York??? They will undoubtedly EAT HIM ALIVE. The media there is absolutely venemous, he will never survive that. Wow that would be a train wreck, exactly what Isiah Thomas needs...

I don't know much about Sweetney though, could he help us, and in what capacity. I feel like we need a solid starting power forward, not just someone who can come off the bench. Is Sweetney the guy or do we need to find someone better as well?
thats the first thing that came to mind when i first heard about this, lol! i read this on another board a few days ago and that rumor included us getting a draft pick as well. ive liked sweetney when he was at gtown and eventhough he isnt as tall as kwame, i think he'd be more of a consistent scorer. i'd like to see this trade happen if it could....

[IndianBaller27]

wow, Kwame only had one guy kill his confidence early in his career (MJ). Imagine what the whole city of NY could do.

[guinness4health]

if thomas makes this move he's an idiot.

thomas is the one that is pursuing it aparently (he is hot for kwame according to the rumor mill)

[whitskins]

thomas is the one that is pursuing it aparently (he is hot for kwame according to the rumor mill)

That makes perfect sense, almost every move he's made for the Knicks has been a disaster, at least Kwame would be somewhat cheap though...

[Warrior 007]

I would prefer Stromile Swift (poor mans Kenyon Martin) but Mike Sweetney is an upgrade from Kwame, so I'm down. :Padawan:

[Santheb]

What rumor mill?

[guinness4health]

What rumor mill?

talk radio, message boards, and espn insider

[guinness4health]

I would prefer Stromile Swift (poor mans Kenyon Martin) but Mike Sweetney is an upgrade from Kwame, so I'm down. :Padawan:

the thing that bugs me about swift are his total lack of a jumpshot (we need a couple of bigs that can't be left open for a 15 foot jumpshot...opens up those lanes for Hughes and Arenas)....

and Swift's salary demands (read they are in the neighborhood of 9 million per year) are rediculious for a guy that has a grand total of 70 starts in his 5 years in the league.

I think that sweetney and thomas would make an excellent pair of power forwards for this squad.

[GMUskinsfan]

Whitskins
That makes perfect sense, almost every move he's made for the Knicks has been a disaster, at least Kwame would be somewhat cheap though...

Besides a very underrated draft this year, he brought marbury to the team, take marbury off that team and they are on the bottom of the east. The jury on quentin richardson for kurt thomas is still out but i like the looks of it. Acquisition of trevor ariza jamal crawford and sweetney also underrated. Thomas was all over Jackie butler who has potential. It is argueable that the knicks failures are based on poor coaching and not isiah. I say this because usually no team will beat more good teams and lose to more bad teams then the knicks. Unless for the sake of arguement you list which moves in particular were disastrous i'll take it as a confusion between knicks front office and knicks coaching as the disaster. I am a knicks fan and i will say that given the past moves of the knicks front office it is quite easy to make that mistake cough allan houston choke marcus camby cough and the list goes on and on and ooonnnnn.

[ShaggySkins]

Whitskins


Besides a very underrated draft this year, he brought marbury to the team, take marbury off that team and they are on the bottom of the east. The jury on quentin richardson for kurt thomas is still out but i like the looks of it. Acquisition of trevor ariza jamal crawford and sweetney also underrated. Thomas was all over Jackie butler who has potential. It is argueable that the knicks failures are based on poor coaching and not isiah. I say this because usually no team will beat more good teams and lose to more bad teams then the knicks. Unless for the sake of arguement you list which moves in particular were disastrous i'll take it as a confusion between knicks front office and knicks coaching as the disaster. I am a knicks fan and i will say that given the past moves of the knicks front office it is quite easy to make that mistake cough allan houston choke marcus camby cough and the list goes on and on and ooonnnnn.

Although I agree with you that Isiah is not as bad as people make him out to be he is still pretty awful. The Knicks are near the bottom of the East so I'm not sure how big of a difference Marbury is. Added to the fact that he has never been on a good team, and to get Marbury you also had to take the contract of Penny Hardaway which is just another reason why you have been cap strapped for several years. Since the trade Pheonix has become one of the best teams in the league and have a very good cap situation where as the Knicks continue to sink. Michael Sweetney was a good pick solid but the problem is that you have SO MANY PFs on the team that you have to wonder if he'll ever get time to develop. You have huge contracts in Jerome Williams, Malik Rose, Mo Taylor, and new rookie David Lee not to mention you've also used draft picks on guys such as Marjei Lampe who was later traded (another PF). Not all of that is on Isiah but most of those moves are. Jamal Crawford did not deserve the contract he was given and has a repuation as a selfish player. I do not understand trading for Quentin Richardson since he plays SG-SF and you already have Tim Thomas, Penny Hardaway, Allen Houston (who may be gone), Jamal Crawford and the guy they need to find more minutes for Trevor Ariza. The one problem I feel the Knicks have more then anything is that they just seem to make moves for the sake of making moves. Both Layden and Isiah were always very active. At somepoint you have to allow the team to grow together and rebuild. If they were smart they would sit back and allow some of the huge contracts to run out (Hardaway, Houston, Williams, Thomas, Rose, Taylor) or see what they could get for them regarding draft picks. Play Ariza, Sweetney, and Lee allow the team to rebuild knowing that you will be towards the bottom of the East but knowing that in 4 years or so you will have loads of young talent from the draft and cap room to add some key players. Until the Knicks commit to rebuilding they will never be any better then competing for the 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs.

[GMUskinsfan]

The reason they make all these moves is because they are the New York Knicks, every year they have expectations to uphold and fans always want to win now in new york. I have just come to expect the inevitable because it is impossible for the team now to be the same team the went to the playoffs for 14 consecutive years. No team especially in the nba can stay on top forever so now the knicks have to pay the price for success (even though it never got them a championship.) So i believe that because of where they were and the city they play in, Isiah CANNOT just work for long term because he knows he will be gone before that long term success ever comes. If you don't win in NY then they'll find somebody who will. So Isiah must make moves that not only are focused on long term but also short term improvement.
I agree turnover has not helped the knicks they only had 3 guys return from the 03-04 opening roster to close out the season in 04-05. But the nba has become a league of turnover, lebron james is the cavs franchise but all i hear now are rumors he'll be in ny in another year. I think Isiah has made mistakes in only two areas not securing a good coach he tried with lenny wilkins but that failed (maybe larry brown still) and still not getting a big man which hes trying to fix with players like sweetney and channing frye. So i say to all that doubt the knicks they are working to fix things they just face the scrutiny of one of the nbas biggest markets. Would you rather have isiah or layden that choice is easy. After having to appoint herb williams to coach they went 16 and 13 then collapsed into losing 36 out of 53 games. You could put that on the players Isiah picked but i would say that sounds like coaching problems. The knicks are a team still living in the shadows of their past. It takes some teams longer then others to make it back to the big time especially when they're dumping money on people like allan houston who lives on the injured list. But a good coach, a good center, teamed with marbury who in total assists was only behind steve nash (MVP) was 15th in scoring and 17th in steals the knicks can be good again.
Isiah knowingly walked into a mess to try and fix it, but 05 was his first full season as president are things going to change overnight? absolutely not. If in 2 more years the knicks have not yet made the playoffs then you know who to blame. Right now we've yet to see what his plans for this team really are.

[suppitty]

Heard on the radio that the New York Post is reporting that the Wizards have received 7 different offers for Kwame. One offer, from the pacers, includes Fred Jones and Anthony Johnson. I'd take Sweetney over them.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i heard that grunfeld wants to trade kwame for quentin richardson instead of sweetney. that would be a great trade for us, but i dont think thomas would wnat to trade Q just when they got him

[Dre-The-Great]

i heard that grunfeld wants to trade kwame for quentin richardson instead of sweetney. that would be a great trade for us, but i dont think thomas would wnat to trade Q just when they got him

Yea its a lot of rumors out there...I also heard Kwame to Atlanta for Josh Childress and a first rounder...and to Memphis for James Posey and a first rounder...the suspense is killing me.

[GMUskinsfan]

i'm hearing now the the knicks are all but out of the kwame market because heavy interest is coming from other teams with indiana's fred jones mentioned lakers caron butler as well as posey, while knicks are now looking at donyell marshall stromile swift jerome james steven huinter and antione walker
sports illustrated also says that larry brown will be fired while another league source says the knicks are more optimistic then ever he will come to ny

[suppitty]

That Childress deal is too good to be true. It is slightly believable though, because it is the Hawks. The Redskins FO can look down on the Hawks, which is a testemant to how incapable the Hawks are as an organization.
I like the Butler deal. He is a solid player, but I don't know if he can play the 2.

I don't want to touch Q. He is just way too inconsistent, and I found Hughes' lack of passing frustrating, so I would probably blow up watching Q.

[akhhorus]

That Childress deal is too good to be true. It is slightly believable though, because it is the Hawks. The Redskins FO can look down on the Hawks, which is a testemant to how incapable the Hawks are as an organization.
I like the Butler deal. He is a solid player, but I don't know if he can play the 2.

I don't want to touch Q. He is just way too inconsistent, and I found Hughes' lack of passing frustrating, so I would probably blow up watching Q.

I believe Childress for Brown, but the #1 is a bit over the top. But Atlanta has Harrington, Smith and now Marvin Williams to play swingman/sg. Childress doesn't have a spot on the team. Childress and Boris Diaw for Brown makes some sense for both teams.

[thecheat48]

That Childress deal is too good to be true. It is slightly believable though, because it is the Hawks. The Redskins FO can look down on the Hawks, which is a testemant to how incapable the Hawks are as an organization.
I like the Butler deal. He is a solid player, but I don't know if he can play the 2.

I don't want to touch Q. He is just way too inconsistent, and I found Hughes' lack of passing frustrating, so I would probably blow up watching Q.

Could someone describe Childress a bit more? I always thought he was sorta like Jeffries, but maybe i'm wrong. Not sure we need more swingmen though...

And who is Diaw? NO idea. Looks like a 6'8 guard from france.

I was hoping for a power forward in the offseason...

[ShaggySkins]

Could someone describe Childress a bit more? I always thought he was sorta like Jeffries, but maybe i'm wrong. Not sure we need more swingmen though...

And who is Diaw? NO idea. Looks like a 6'8 guard from france.

I was hoping for a power forward in the offseason...

Childress is similar to Jefferies but SLIGHTLY more athletic. He is a better shooter and a average 3pt. threat but nothing greater then average. He is a solid 3 but playing him at the 2 spot is sketchy. He is a good shot blocker but not great defending off the dribble.

Diaw is a french player who can play PG, SG, and SF. He isn't much of a scorer but is very diverse in where he can play and can defend. He's a solid player but will probably be nothing more then a role player his entire career.

[Santheb]

I'd do the trade for Childress because of the 'fro.

[guinness4health]

I like the Butler deal. He is a solid player, but I don't know if he can play the 2.

I don't want to touch Q. He is just way too inconsistent, and I found Hughes' lack of passing frustrating, so I would probably blow up watching Q.

butler would be fine at the 2 but i would rather see him starting at the small forward position with hayes starting at the 2.

ideal starting line-up with that trade

PG- Arenas
SG- Hayes
SF- Butler
PF- Jamison
C- Haywood

and you are right i wouldn't want to touch Q...I think that he can shoot the lights out, i just am not sure he is a got fit for our offense....

right now the best trade rumor i have heard is butler (who i think at least has the capacity to turn into an all-star caliber player)

[Santheb]

butler would be fine at the 2 but i would rather see him starting at the small forward position with hayes starting at the 2.

ideal starting line-up with that trade

PG- Arenas
SG- Hayes
SF- Butler
PF- Etan
C- Haywood

and you are right i wouldn't want to touch Q...I think that he can shoot the lights out, i just am not sure he is a got fit for our offense....

right now the best trade rumor i have heard is butler (who i think at least has the capacity to turn into an all-star caliber player)

You kinda forgot one of our current All-Stars...go ahead and guess who he is!

[guinness4health]

You kinda forgot one of our current All-Stars...go ahead and guess who he is!

i know i am am idiot i meant to put him at the 4 spot with hayes being the first to come out, shifting jamison down to the 3 and butler to the 2...

[Santheb]

Jamison is a natural 3. He has the size to be a 4, but he really can't play it effectively. I'd rather it go:

PG: Gilbert
SG: Jarvis (or Butler, but I'd prefer to give Jarvis a shot)
SF: Jamison
PF: Etan
C: Brendan

[PA Skins Girl]

I heard the Caron Butler for Kwame rumor on ESPN radio this evening. I dont know much about Butler but his numbers look decent. I'm all for it. I cant believe we are getting this much interest in Kwame.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think Phil sees the 'potential" in Kwame and thinks he's the guy to bring it out. Here's a link to the article about the sign and trade deal.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=rotowire-wamerownakerseported&prov=rotowire&type=lgns

[guinness4health]

I think Phil sees the 'potential" in Kwame and thinks he's the guy to bring it out. Here's a link to the article about the sign and trade deal.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=rotowire-wamerownakerseported&prov=rotowire&type=lgns

I think that it is impossible to look at Kwame objectively and not see the 'potential'...

he has rediculous quickness for a big man, especially a 7 footer who's body clearly is cut out to be a power forward..... he very well might have the quickest first step of any big man in the league....

the problem with kwame has always been his mental toughness, his precieved desire to excell and learn the game, his infantile behavior and basketball IQ, his lack of practice habits, his total and complete lack of a post-up game (he can't even stand to have his back to the basket) and his total lack of any consistent shoot mechanism or form that has left him with the ugliest jumpshoot in the league....i love his potential and wouldn't mind having him back for another year (at a very small price tag that is)...but i am not sure that would even be a possiblity considering the playoff incident....

either way if we trade him it would at least be nice to get someone in return that has a good amount of upside (which butler would represent)

[thecheat48]

Jamison is a natural 3. He has the size to be a 4, but he really can't play it effectively. I'd rather it go:

PG: Gilbert
SG: Jarvis (or Butler, but I'd prefer to give Jarvis a shot)
SF: Jamison
PF: Etan
C: Brendan

This is why I want another PF. Sure, the Wiz grabbed one in the draft but he aint ready yet and probably wont for a few years.

I love Etan, but I still think he is better off the bench.

I'd say put Jarvis at 2 and get anothe big to compliment what the wizards already have. Hell, get a SG and a PF for Kwame.

[Redskin-4-life]

I think that it is impossible to look at Kwame objectively and not see the 'potential'...

he has rediculous quickness for a big man, especially a 7 footer who's body clearly is cut out to be a power forward..... he very well might have the quickest first step of any big man in the league....

the problem with kwame has always been his mental toughness, his precieved desire to excell and learn the game, his infantile behavior and basketball IQ, his lack of practice habits, his total and complete lack of a post-up game (he can't even stand to have his back to the basket) and his total lack of any consistent shoot mechanism or form that has left him with the ugliest jumpshoot in the league....i love his potential and wouldn't mind having him back for another year (at a very small price tag that is)...but i am not sure that would even be a possiblity considering the playoff incident....

either way if we trade him it would at least be nice to get someone in return that has a good amount of upside (which butler would represent)

Agree, I think the trade would benefit both teams. Butler is a good player, and a scorer, he could step right in and start at SG,.

[MoeRedskins]

update on the trade, it is rumored that we will trade Kwame for Butler, one of the Lakers bigs (Divac was a name that was mentioned) and maybe their first round pick that they got from Miami. Deal is said to be in progress, the only hold up is that Kwame wants a 3 yr deal from the Lakers, Lakers are offering a 2 year deal with a team option for the third year. Rumors are flying as well that the Bullets are talking to Donyell Marshall. I'll try to find a link, but I am getting all of this off of sports talk radio.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

update on the trade, it is rumored that we will trade Kwame for Butler, one of the Lakers bigs (Divac was a name that was mentioned) and maybe their first round pick that they got from Miami. Deal is said to be in progress, the only hold up is that Kwame wants a 3 yr deal from the Lakers, Lakers are offering a 2 year deal with a team option for the third year. Rumors are flying as well that the Bullets are talking to Donyell Marshall. I'll try to find a link, but I am getting all of this off of sports talk radio.
i like the sounds of this.....not sure id like to get divac, but id be perfectly okay w/ butler and a first. i wanted the wizards to pick butler but he went one pick above us...

[Dre-The-Great]

Yea they said Butler and possibly either Divac, Chucky Atkins, and Devean George...I wouldn't mind George...and they said we met with Ronald "Flip" Murray also...he was a great backup for Ray Allen in Seattle...so who knows what will happen.

[thecheat48]

If there was anyway to get plus a first rounder from LA - I'm down. Do we really want another SF/SG? Or a over the hill big man like Divac? maybe Divac would be good off the bench...thoughts?

Is Donyell Marshall a FA? I'd rather have Abdul-Rahim or maybe even Swift - Marshall is 30+.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

Yea they said Butler and possibly either Divac, Chucky Atkins, and Devean George...I wouldn't mind George...and they said we met with Ronald "Flip" Murray also...he was a great backup for Ray Allen in Seattle...so who knows what will happen.
if we traded kwame for butler, out of atkins, divac and george, i would pick atkins. he is a lethal 3 point shooter who would bring leadership to this team. if we get him, dixon is expendable(still got love for u dix). and if we got flip murray, i would be really happy, cuz i used to hype him up like crazy to my friends before he got big. that guy is a baller

[lakeskin]

If the Wiz aquire Vlade as part of this deal he will immediately be cut to give the Wiz some more cap room so they can go out and sign guys like Marshall and Flip Murray.

[suppitty]

If the Wiz aquire Vlade as part of this deal he will immediately be cut to give the Wiz some more cap room so they can go out and sign guys like Marshall and Flip Murray.
The nba cap is different. As soon as a player is on your roster you must carry the cap number, even after you cut him. The only way you can unload his cap number is to trade him.

[lakeskin]

The nba cap is different. As soon as a player is on your roster you must carry the cap number, even after you cut him. The only way you can unload his cap number is to trade him.

I guess I should have been more specific. Vlade has a buyout in his contract for 2 mil. So they will save about 3.4 mil towards the cap. Thats what I meant by cutting him.

If you dont believe me here's a quote from the washington post: "Divac, who is slated to earn $5.4 million next season, can be bought out of his contract for $2 million. That would save the Wizards $3.4 million on their salary cap, money that could be used to acquire other free agents."

[guinness4health]

here is a source backing up ocskinsfan

source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/12/AR2005071201558.html)

[akhhorus]

ESPNNEWS is saying that Brown for Butler and either Devean George or Chucky Atkins is a done deal.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

SEE YA KWAME!!!!!!!!! I would like to get chucky atkins also in this deal cuz devean george is another jarvis hayes

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i think this is a great deal man. all we need now is a PF, but we got a starting SG and a really good backup PG

[Spence]

You want Atkins. This team has plenty of threes. They need another guy who can play point guard and knock down from the perimeter. Also a bit of veteran leadership wouldn't hurt. Atkins gives you all of that.

[lakeskin]

I'm really gonna miss Caron. He was my favorite Laker last year. He is such a gooood guy. You guys are gonna love him.

[Skinz4lyfe]

I'm really gonna miss Caron. He was my favorite Laker last year. He is such a gooood guy. You guys are gonna love him.

OC you knew either Butler or George had to go. Half of the Lakers are playing the 3. Man Mitch Kupchak is an idiot!! I'm really trying to see the logic in trading away Butler and Atkins. I thought Butler for Brown would have favored the Wiz as well. This is a very one-sided trade. You guys in DC must be happy.

[MoeRedskins]

i guess picking up atkins means that the Bullets won't be resigning Juan Dixon.

[Santheb]

Bye Kwame.

Even though he never showed it here, I think with the right coaching, he really can be a dominant player. I hope he does do well in LA, but knowing Kwame, he won't.

Welcome to DC, former-Lakers!

[dj_stouty]

Glad to see a UCONN star join the team again. Hopefully he will stay..

You know what happened the last time we let a UCONN guy go? He went on to win a Championship with the Pistons.

Calhoun creates winners!

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

ESPNNEWS is saying that Brown for Butler and either Devean George or Chucky Atkins is a done deal.
please be atkins....im really, really excited about caron coming here....i already can't wait to see how the team shapes up for next season.

see ya later kwame....good luck in LA.

[Redskin-4-life]

I'm really gonna miss Caron. He was my favorite Laker last year. He is such a gooood guy. You guys are gonna love him.

I agree, he was very productive and consistent.

[danny's stogie]

Even though he never showed it here, I think with the right coaching, he really can be a dominant player. I hope he does do well in LA, but knowing Kwame, he won't.



Its really tough to ask for a better environment than the Wizards had this past year. Great coaching and great personel, all of whom seemed to be solid character guys with extremely good work ethic. Kwame was the only problem child in a really positive situation. That should be a huge red flag. I doubt he'll get much better, but he's still young so you never know.

[Santheb]

I'm not saying he didn't have good coaching, but maybe a different coach is what I was trying to say.

[danny's stogie]

I'm not saying he didn't have good coaching, but maybe a different coach is what I was trying to say.

Yeah, I think a general change of sceneria is what he needs. I also think he'd be better with a Larry Brown type than a Phil Jackson type coach.

[whitskins]

Welcome Caron and Chuckie or Devon! I am psyched about this trade, I'm really happy we got so much in return for Kwame.

[thecheat48]

i guess picking up atkins means that the Bullets won't be resigning Juan Dixon.

Not so sure about that - I think Atkins means see ya to Blake. Maybe they are both gone, but i think more likely Blake, as he plays the point.

Lineup:

Arenas
Butler
Hayes
Jamison
Haywood

Bench: Thomas, Jeffries, Atkins, Ruffin, Dixon, another G, a FA big (Marshall???)

[BigCountry]

Well if anyone could get something out of Brown it would be Phil Jackson. I guess Butler and Atkins for Magloire was turned down...

[IMALILTEAPOT]

Not so sure about that - I think Atkins means see ya to Blake. Maybe they are both gone, but i think more likely Blake, as he plays the point.

Lineup:

Arenas
Butler
Hayes
Jamison
Haywood

Bench: Thomas, Jeffries, Atkins, Ruffin, Dixon, another G, a FA big (Marshall???)
if we acquire marshall, hes gonna start most likely. i see our lineup like this

Arenas
Butler
Jamison
Jeffries or Etan
Haywood

i put jeffries first cuz he started last season at the PF. He doesnt do flashy things, but he doesnt make mistakes, he should start

[thecheat48]

if we acquire marshall, hes gonna start most likely. i see our lineup like this

Arenas
Butler
Jamison
Jeffries or Etan
Haywood

i put jeffries first cuz he started last season at the PF. He doesnt do flashy things, but he doesnt make mistakes, he should start

My friend called me out on my last lineup, and agrees with you, so it might look more like this:

Arenas, Atkins
Butler, Hayes
Jamison
Jeffries/Marshall/Blatche
Haywood/Thomas/Ramos

one more spot - Dixon? Blake? sign Ronald Murray?

Hayes and Butler can both play 2 and 3, so i think another SG would be in order.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i would just jump for joyyyyyyy if we signed murray. i love dixon, and really appreciate all the things he has done for maryland and dc, but murray is a stud

[ShaggySkins]

My friend called me out on my last lineup, and agrees with you, so it might look more like this:

Arenas, Atkins
Butler, Hayes
Jamison
Jeffries/Marshall/Blatche
Haywood/Thomas/Ramos

one more spot - Dixon? Blake? sign Ronald Murray?

Hayes and Butler can both play 2 and 3, so i think another SG would be in order.

Both Blatche and Ramos will both be sent to the NBADL to further develop. They aren't ready to contribute to the NBA team just yet. Blake will likely be back as he is a restricted FA and we own his rights. We still have cap room to go after an experienced player. I would be surprised if we still pursued Flip Murray we now need to look for a scoring big man.

[guinness4health]

Yeah, I think a general change of sceneria is what he needs. I also think he'd be better with a Larry Brown type than a Phil Jackson type coach.

larry brown would eat that kid alive....he is much better off with phil jackson...

Larry has absolutely no ability to deal with rookies (which kwame basically is because he has failed to evolve as a basketball player)...and larry has zero patience for young players (see darko and the 6 minutes a game he played last year, less the year before)

[thecheat48]

Both Blatche and Ramos will both be sent to the NBADL to further develop. They aren't ready to contribute to the NBA team just yet. Blake will likely be back as he is a restricted FA and we own his rights. We still have cap room to go after an experienced player. I would be surprised if we still pursued Flip Murray we now need to look for a scoring big man.


Good point about Blatche. I thought Ramos might be ready this season.

I'd rather keep more of the Gs (Blake, Dixon) and grab a FA like Marshall than get Murray and be without a needed inside presence.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

Good point about Blatche. I thought Ramos might be ready this season.

i went on a wizards message board and everyone is saying that andray blatche is doing really well in the summer league and ramos is stinking the place up

[thecheat48]

i went on a wizards message board and everyone is saying that andray blatche is doing really well in the summer league and ramos is stinking the place up

No surprise on Ramos, I guess. I hadnt been reading about the summer league, I was going off what some had written last season. They said either the 05/06 or 06/06 season. How bad are we talking here?

My friend said that Blatche is doing well. Is he gonna be the Kwame that Kwame never ended up being?

And my friend just wrote me about Donnell Taylor, a 6-6 guard from UAB. Apparently, he scored around double digits in almost all the games. any clue who he is?

And what wizards board are you reading?



Cant wait t

[IMALILTEAPOT]

No surprise on Ramos, I guess. I hadnt been reading about the summer league, I was going off what some had written last season. They said either the 05/06 or 06/06 season. How bad are we talking here?

My friend said that Blatche is doing well. Is he gonna be the Kwame that Kwame never ended up being?

And my friend just wrote me about Donnell Taylor, a 6-6 guard from UAB. Apparently, he scored around double digits in almost all the games. any clue who he is?

And what wizards board are you reading?



Cant wait t

I went on the ESPN message board. I dont like it that much cuz all the message boards are just a bunch of dumb people who say stupid predictions and stuff, but i just go on occasionally when im bored. One guy that we need to look out for is Gerald Fitch. Ive looked on the box scores, and he has been leading our team in scoring, and i believe he is like 5th or something in the whole summer league with 18 ppg. Oh yea, i recommened u go to nba.com/wizards and look at the video clip of the wiz vs the warriors. we lost the game, but the thing that impressed me was the final highlight. Andray Blatche may be like 7 feet, but he handles like a guard or something. And he made a 3 pointer in the highlights that was a pure swish. I thought it was someone else until i heard the announcer guy say "Andray Blatche." If anyone knows anything about streetball and And1, Blatche reminds me of Alimoe, except without the crazy handles. Im starting to like this guy a lot

[lakeskin]

i went on a wizards message board and everyone is saying that andray blatche is doing really well in the summer league and ramos is stinking the place up

I was watching the first part of the Wiz vs. Warriors summer league game and that guy Ramos looks awful. He missed a wide open ten footer by three feet. Even the television announcers were clowning him.

[Dre-The-Great]

I went on the ESPN message board. I dont like it that much cuz all the message boards are just a bunch of dumb people who say stupid predictions and stuff, but i just go on occasionally when im bored. One guy that we need to look out for is Gerald Fitch. Ive looked on the box scores, and he has been leading our team in scoring, and i believe he is like 5th or something in the whole summer league with 18 ppg. Oh yea, i recommened u go to nba.com/wizards and look at the video clip of the wiz vs the warriors. we lost the game, but the thing that impressed me was the final highlight. Andray Blatche may be like 7 feet, but he handles like a guard or something. And he made a 3 pointer in the highlights that was a pure swish. I thought it was someone else until i heard the announcer guy say "Andray Blatche." If anyone knows anything about streetball and And1, Blatche reminds me of Alimoe, except without the crazy handles. Im starting to like this guy a lot

Realgm.com has the best Wizards message board. Fitch is like a Juan Dixon clone...2 guard trapped in a 1 guard body...I hope we bring Donnell Taylor to camp because he has great size and is a smart player. Ramos might need 2 years of NBDL from what I've seen in that Warriors game...but Blatche may only need 1 year, he is more of a small forward because he doesn't play down low...and now that you mention it he does favor Alimoe.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

Realgm.com has the best Wizards message board. Fitch is like a Juan Dixon clone...2 guard trapped in a 1 guard body...I hope we bring Donnell Taylor to camp because he has great size and is a smart player. Ramos might need 2 years of NBDL from what I've seen in that Warriors game...but Blatche may only need 1 year, he is more of a small forward because he doesn't play down low...and now that you mention it he does favor Alimoe.
realgm looks tite, i might go here often. do u know a place like this for football too?

[Dre-The-Great]

realgm looks tite, i might go here often. do u know a place like this for football too?

I've been looking for NFL site like that but no luck yet.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

I've been looking for NFL site like that but no luck yet.
i found it, its on top of the page, realgmfootball.com

[Dre-The-Great]

i found it, its on top of the page, realgmfootball.com

Thanx...I don't know why I never noticed that.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

guys, on the washington post it said that because of salary cap reasons, we are trading Laron Profit with Kwame Brown to LA. I really like Laron, i thought he was a really athletic swingman who hustled a lot.

[skins74]

I'm really gonna miss Caron. He was my favorite Laker last year. He is such a gooood guy. You guys are gonna love him.


I am also a Lakers fan and I started to warm up to Caron too, it seemed like he was the only one who gave a crap about the season. The only thing he needs to work on is all the charges, he needs to work on his going to the basket moves. He will put the ball in one hand, hold it up and go straight in running over whoever is in the lane.