Inquiry About LaVar (Don't jump it's not a trade inquiry)

[BigCountry]

I appologize if this has been talked about and if it has it's because I haven't kept up with this forum lately so admins, feel free to make this thread go away if I'm beating a dead horse. Anyways my question is very simple and a little controversial:

Why is LaVar Arrington untradable? (besides the contract)

He was supposed to be a dominating defensive player after he "broke out" in 01 under one Schttenheimer or another, (I believe it was Kurt) he was supposed to be a clear cut DMVP candidate in 02 under Marvin Lewis and delivered on niether. All he's given us is some very promising flashes in 01 and 02. (his best seasons) Since then all I've heard is he "could" and "should" be dominating. He's sueing the organization over a contract he signed and to top all that off, we fielded the best defense this club has ever seen since the last superbowl we won. That's a hefty amount of cons, and if some team was brave enough to offer a first round pick or someone like John Abraham, I'd pull the trigger.

[redskin_rich]

I appologize if this has been talked about and if it has it's because I haven't kept up with this forum lately so admins, feel free to make this thread go away if I'm beating a dead horse. Anyways my question is very simple and a little controversial:

Why is LaVar Arrington untradable? (besides the contract)

He was supposed to be a dominating defensive player after he "broke out" in 01 under one Schttenheimer or another, (I believe it was Kurt) he was supposed to be a clear cut DMVP candidate in 02 under Marvin Lewis and delivered on niether. All he's given us is some very promising flashes in 01 and 02. (his best seasons) Since then all I've heard is he "could" and "should" be dominating. He's sueing the organization over a contract he signed and to top all that off, we fielded the best defense this club has ever seen since the last superbowl we won. That's a hefty amount of cons, and if some team was brave enough to offer a first round pick or someone like John Abraham, I'd pull the trigger.

I don't think there are any other reasons besides the contract. It would be a major blow to our salary cap. Minnesota did it with Moss, who was much more problematic but also much more productive at his position than LaVar has been at his.
Then of course there is the recent injury problem that has to cast a shadow on him to any potential suitors.
I love LaVar and I am hoping he puts all this behind him and reaches his potential for us but the seed of doubt is growing.

[skinfanjon]

Besides the contract??? No offense man, but that completely disqualifies the question. His contract makes him untradeable, plan and simple. Anything beyond that is purely conjecture on our parts, which will quickly become an endless debate. I'm not exactly opposed to an endless debate, just not ready for one right now. :Peace:

[skinfanjon]

I don't think there are any other reasons besides the contract. It would be a major blow to our salary cap. Minnesota did it with Moss, who was much more problematic but also much more productive at his position than LaVar has been at his.
Then of course there is the recent injury problem that has to cast a shadow on him to any potential suitors.
I love LaVar and I am hoping he puts all this behind him and reaches his potential for us but the seed of doubt is growing.

Minnesota also had $30 mil in cap room heading into the offseason. Honestly I'm not sure what our latest number is but I'm sure it is in the neighborhood of 0-$1mil.

[STaylor36boom]

The man had a knee injury. I for one know hell be dominant. Hes heading into a dominant five year stretch. The man has a fire in him and come opening kickoff gas will douse it.

[skinfanjon]

The man had a knee injury. I for one know hell be dominant. Hes heading into a dominant five year stretch. The man has a fire in him and come opening kickoff gas will douse it.

That would be ther other reason he is untradable.

[BIGSEF3]

I appologize if this has been talked about and if it has it's because I haven't kept up with this forum lately so admins, feel free to make this thread go away if I'm beating a dead horse. Anyways my question is very simple and a little controversial:

Why is LaVar Arrington untradable? (besides the contract)

He was supposed to be a dominating defensive player after he "broke out" in 01 under one Schttenheimer or another, (I believe it was Kurt) he was supposed to be a clear cut DMVP candidate in 02 under Marvin Lewis and delivered on niether. All he's given us is some very promising flashes in 01 and 02. (his best seasons) Since then all I've heard is he "could" and "should" be dominating. He's sueing the organization over a contract he signed and to top all that off, we fielded the best defense this club has ever seen since the last superbowl we won. That's a hefty amount of cons, and if some team was brave enough to offer a first round pick or someone like John Abraham, I'd pull the trigger.

Lets get this straight. This thread is entitled Inquiry About LaVar (Don't jump it's not a trade inquiry) , yet you immediately say

Anyways my question is very simple and a little controversial:

Why is LaVar Arrington untradable? (besides the contract).

I don't post alot nowadays, so mods, forgive me but I feel compelled to ask BigCountry.....Are you INSANE?!?!! what kind of narcotic were you on when you created this thread? You say its not a lavar trade thread, so i spend my time clicking on your silly link, only to see, that it is, in fact, yet another lavar trade thread.

You answered your own question my friend, with your statement which you felt only deserved to be in parenthesis (besides the contract)

Trading Lavar would cost us anywhere between 12 and 18 million dollars against a salary cap where we have less than 1 million dollars room, at present. So, If we wished to flat-out cut, our entire roster, not play at all in the 2005-2008 seasons, we could probably trade lavar. but that wouldnt help us win a superbowl, would it? Thank God you aren't Daniel Snyder.

Whatever narcotic you are on, I suggest you follow this link and seek help immediately. Drug Rehab (http://www.drug-rehabilitation.org/)

[DangerDave]

I do see what you are saying about him not producing but if my memory serves me we all are talking about THE quarerback Killer. He was on Maddens most desired defense last year. He just needs to learn how to be coached. Just the mention of his name bring pain to anyone that has ever played offense

[whitskins]

Lets get this straight. This thread is entitled Inquiry About LaVar (Don't jump it's not a trade inquiry) , yet you immediately say



I don't post alot nowadays, so mods, forgive me but I feel compelled to ask BigCountry.....Are you INSANE?!?!! what kind of narcotic were you on when you created this thread? You say its not a lavar trade thread, so i spend my time clicking on your silly link, only to see, that it is, in fact, yet another lavar trade thread.

You answered your own question my friend, with your statement which you felt only deserved to be in parenthesis

Trading Lavar would cost us anywhere between 12 and 18 million dollars against a salary cap where we have less than 1 million dollars room, at present. So, If we wished to flat-out cut, our entire roster, not play at all in the 2005-2008 seasons, we could probably trade lavar. but that wouldnt help us win a superbowl, would it? Thank God you aren't Daniel Snyder.

Whatever narcotic you are on, I suggest you follow this link and seek help immediately. Drug Rehab (http://www.drug-rehabilitation.org/)

Wow dude, where is all this hostitility coming from? I can't wait til the season actually starts so we can start spreading the love again.

Or will we........?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I do see what you are saying about him not producing but if my memory serves me we all are talking about THE quarerback Killer. He was on Maddens most desired defense last year. He just needs to learn how to be coached. Just the mention of his name bring pain to anyone that has ever played offense
i think thats the key. the guy is already talented, so imagine what a coach like gregg williams can do with him. he even made ryan clark look like an all pro at times last year, lol.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Lets get this straight. This thread is entitled Inquiry About LaVar (Don't jump it's not a trade inquiry) , yet you immediately say



I don't post alot nowadays, so mods, forgive me but I feel compelled to ask BigCountry.....Are you INSANE?!?!! what kind of narcotic were you on when you created this thread? You say its not a lavar trade thread, so i spend my time clicking on your silly link, only to see, that it is, in fact, yet another lavar trade thread.

You answered your own question my friend, with your statement which you felt only deserved to be in parenthesis

Trading Lavar would cost us anywhere between 12 and 18 million dollars against a salary cap where we have less than 1 million dollars room, at present. So, If we wished to flat-out cut, our entire roster, not play at all in the 2005-2008 seasons, we could probably trade lavar. but that wouldnt help us win a superbowl, would it? Thank God you aren't Daniel Snyder.

Whatever narcotic you are on, I suggest you follow this link and seek help immediately. Drug Rehab (http://www.drug-rehabilitation.org/)

Hey BigSef, I understand what you're saying but please tone it down a little man. :Peace:


Anyway to answer the question at hand: I'd say Lavar is still young and has some potentially productive years ahead of him. I mean he's already been a ProBowler but under the teachings of GW he could punch his ticket to Canton. Lavar just needs some stability in the coaching staff and a good coach to help him realize his potential. IMO, he has too much potential to be tradeable. But I think we proved this offseason that nobody is "untradeable" by getting rid of Coles. Sure trading Lavar would be a bigger salary hit but I cannot totally rule it out.

[BigCountry]

Lets get this straight. This thread is entitled Inquiry About LaVar (Don't jump it's not a trade inquiry) , yet you immediately say



I don't post alot nowadays, so mods, forgive me but I feel compelled to ask BigCountry.....Are you INSANE?!?!! what kind of narcotic were you on when you created this thread? You say its not a lavar trade thread, so i spend my time clicking on your silly link, only to see, that it is, in fact, yet another lavar trade thread.

You answered your own question my friend, with your statement which you felt only deserved to be in parenthesis

Trading Lavar would cost us anywhere between 12 and 18 million dollars against a salary cap where we have less than 1 million dollars room, at present. So, If we wished to flat-out cut, our entire roster, not play at all in the 2005-2008 seasons, we could probably trade lavar. but that wouldnt help us win a superbowl, would it? Thank God you aren't Daniel Snyder.

Whatever narcotic you are on, I suggest you follow this link and seek help immediately. Drug Rehab (http://www.drug-rehabilitation.org/)

Who put the salt in your jock strap? All I was trying to do was argue the fact that the guy isn't the new Mr Redskins. As much as I'd love to say something back to you, I think you've prooved time and time again that it's just not worth it. BTW, if I didn't know about the cap situation, why in the hell would I have placed those parenthesis there?

[Redskin-4-life]

I think he's probably untradeable because of what he can do when healthy. He hasn't put a healthy string of season's together yet, therefore didn't allow he to develop chemistry with the coaches or players. When he does, I think he could dominate like LT did in his prime.

[smoak]

I really like Lavar... a lot. I'm hoping this is his breakout year, but lets no look at the guy as a total bust. Until this season he has had a different DC every year... That is no excuse, but it is a fact. On top of that, it isn't like all the coaches used him the same way. Marty put him in coverage, Marvin used him as a DE, Edwards had no clue (sorry), and GW could be the most intriguing yet.

Lets give him this season and hope beyond all hope that the man is healthy.

[LATrueRedskin]

How is this not a trade inquiry? You put it in the title that it's not about LaVar being traded, then you ask why LaVar can't be traded.


Anyways, he can't be traded because we'd take a monumental cap hit. It's been said over and over and over again on this board.

[skins lady]

I agree with what everyone has said on this board. I really don't know if you were drunk or sane when you wrote the title though.

[akhhorus]

Lavar aint going anywhere for at least 4-5 years. End of story.

[BIGSEF3]

Who put the salt in your jock strap? All I was trying to do was argue the fact that the guy isn't the new Mr Redskins. As much as I'd love to say something back to you, I think you've prooved time and time again that it's just not worth it. BTW, if I didn't know about the cap situation, why in the hell would I have placed those parenthesis there?

hmm, i was more trying to be humorous at the your expense, than actually be mean to you. If i came off as mean, I apologize. Too much dang Chapelle show w/ Rick James I guess.

[redwolf1218]

I really like Lavar... a lot. I'm hoping this is his breakout year, but lets no look at the guy as a total bust. Until this season he has had a different DC every year... That is no excuse, but it is a fact. On top of that, it isn't like all the coaches used him the same way. Marty put him in coverage, Marvin used him as a DE, Edwards had no clue (sorry), and GW could be the most intriguing yet.

Lets give him this season and hope beyond all hope that the man is healthy.
Lavar will have an incredible season this year with Williams as his coach. I think he'll be the most dominant, game-changing defensive force in the league. He is a new breed of linebacker, much like Sean Taylor is a new breed of safety. Lavar is 6'-3 and 253 pounds and runs the 40 faster than Peter Warrick. Dexter Manley set sack records at defensive end at this same size. To put that in perspective, Lawrence Taylor was dominant in his era at 6'-3, 237. the league has not seen a specimen like Lavar at his size and speed at linebacker, nor one like Taylor at his size and speed at safety, both gifted with incredible athleticism. i am confident the world will see it on display this year in Williams' system and that will put to rest all these trade notions. I expect Lavar to go to the probowl every year from here on with Williams as his coach, as long as he stays healthy. I fully expect him to lead all linebackers in sacks, create game-changing turnovers and score touchdowns. nothing less is acceptable at his pay level, and at his level of capability, with Williams expertise in tapping into that potential.

sorry for the rant...i just get passionate about Lavar because i think people forget what an incredible specimen of an athlete he is. i cant wait to see him on the field this year.

[dj_stouty]

Lavar aint going anywhere for at least 4-5 years. End of story.

Pretty much what I think, too...

Bottom line. His contract is the defining reason why he can't be traded. Secondly, he won't be traded because he is too damn good of a player. Greg Williams isnt' dumb. He realizes what he has in Lavar.

[GWBlitzST]

I appologize if this has been talked about and if it has it's because I haven't kept up with this forum lately so admins, feel free to make this thread go away if I'm beating a dead horse. Anyways my question is very simple and a little controversial:

Why is LaVar Arrington untradable? (besides the contract)

He was supposed to be a dominating defensive player after he "broke out" in 01 under one Schttenheimer or another, (I believe it was Kurt) he was supposed to be a clear cut DMVP candidate in 02 under Marvin Lewis and delivered on niether.
He had 11 sacks under Lewis, which is more than any Redskin I can think of since Manley has had in a season. Not to mention this will be his first year with the same D coordinater as last. The guy got hurt last year. Before that he was ripping up everybody in front of him, and GW will be blitzing him all over the place. So aside from the contract, it will be his incredible number of sacks and forced fumbles that make him tradeable.

sidenote--In his season with Marty, we were 0-5 and looking at the worst season ever until in Game 6 Lavar made a play that not too many linebackers you'll ever see could make to take an interception for a TD and turn our season around. We went 8-3 after that play, and everyone knew that Lavar sparked a fire under the rest of the D that year. Give him a chance with Williams, and we will all be singing his praises.

[skinfanjon]

Good point on the sidenote, that play did change the season. That is what Lavar is capable of, and what we have all forgotten about.

[BigCountry]

He had 11 sacks under Lewis, which is more than any Redskin I can think of since Manley has had in a season. Not to mention this will be his first year with the same D coordinater as last. The guy got hurt last year. Before that he was ripping up everybody in front of him, and GW will be blitzing him all over the place. So aside from the contract, it will be his incredible number of sacks and forced fumbles that make him tradeable.

sidenote--In his season with Marty, we were 0-5 and looking at the worst season ever until in Game 6 Lavar made a play that not too many linebackers you'll ever see could make to take an interception for a TD and turn our season around. We went 8-3 after that play, and everyone knew that Lavar sparked a fire under the rest of the D that year. Give him a chance with Williams, and we will all be singing his praises.

I did commend him for the seasons he had in 01 and 02, but there were even question marks there. He could have been defensive MVP in 02 if he didn't rebel in the beginning of the season. I guess I should reserve my judgment a little and see what happens this seasons, but the guy is getting paid like Ray Lewis and more then someone like Keith Bullock and they're both alot more productive and consistant then him.