Gibbs cant do it: So says Judge

[skinfanjon]

Boy am I getting tired of hearing crap like this:

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8640686

I don't think I will look at cbssportsline anymore....these guys have constant inaccuracies in their reporting, not to mention they usually take the incorrect stance in their opinions. I'm not even going to get into Prisco's junk about the top 50 players, the ratings, overrated, etc.

We should have a special archive for all these negative Gibbs/Skins articles so we can wave them in everyone's face later this season.

[Chief Redskin]

Any criticism against the Redskins so far is fair and just. The bottom line is we have to show up on Sundays and Win.

The media does not view the Redskins personnel decisions as an improvement. In fact, many HR.com members have argued about the same personnel decisions which were made in this article. However, as a Redskin fan we must have faith in Joe and the team.

The media may trash the Redskins because they have no reason to give us any praise. Only true believers will have faith in Gibbs and the Redskins success!

[whitskins]

Screw 'em, let's prove them all wrong. Time to shock the world.

[ScalpinSteve]

It's pretty stupid to buy into any of these predictions columns. (After all, look at what he writes in the very first paragraph about his Pats predictions last year.)

But, you can't knock the guy for making some generally true comments about our team... Until we produce, we're all going to be Redskins fans hoping that our paper champions turn it around one of these days. I have faith that Gibbs can do it, but faith only gets you so far when it comes to football.

[GWBlitzST]

I disagree with everything he said except the last part about Drew Brees.

[Redskin-4-life]

Success is the greatest revenge! I'm sure the players and coaches are hearing and seeing these negative comments. Lets hope that it fuels the fire, and be the surprise team of the year.

[BurgundyNGold]

Everybody is an expert. With alzheimers.

[BigPlayJay]

This guys opinion means nothing. I hope more people see the Redskins this way. I prefer to be the underdog.

Also, I am getting so tired of the sayings like " obviously gibbs dosn't believe in Ramsey or he wouldn't have drafted Campbell". People out way to much empasis on the drafting of a QB. Can't one media guy think of something original??

[PA Skins Girl]

This thread title had me worried.

[RedskinsReaper21]

Watch out for the Giants??? The Giants?! I just don't get it. Eli has more weapons than Peyton but doesnt have Edge or Harrison...that just doesnt make sense.
What about an O-Line? You can't win in the NFL without a very good O-Line.
The Giants are going to suck just like they have the past couple years...maybe a little improvement. I say 6-10.

[akhhorus]

How many times do these idiots say the following:
-Man the Vikings/Cowboys/Ravens/Bucs/Falcons/Eagles had great offseasons, they are all contenders because of it.

These guys are exclusively wrong about their picks and predictions, I could care less if one says bad things about Gibbs.

[redwolf1218]

exact same regurgitated meaningless ramblings...Gibbs, Ramsey, Coles, Moss, Campbell, Smoot, Pierce, blah blah blah whatever. get over it already.

whitskins: Screw 'em, let's prove them all wrong. Time to shock the world.

BigPlayJay: This guys opinion means nothing. I hope more people see the Redskins this way. I prefer to be the underdog.

my thoughts exactly.

[smoak]

Sorry, but nobody in the media picked San Diego last year.... Nobody picked the Rams the year they won.... The Pats in their first SB...

The media knows nothing IMO.

[skinfanatic]

seems pretty good imo. in case people here didnt know, we stunk last year and the year before and the year before..... i hope it will finally be turned around (at least playoffs) i really do. but im not one of the many fans who think we're going to the super bowl and shock the world etc. im realistic. maybe wild card, if we're lucky. good posting, by the way.

[BurgundyAndGold]

For all of their supposed "inside information", media, and especially sports media, are nothing more than a bunch of overhyped self-proclaimed sports-know-it-alls. No matter what a team looks like on paper or how the moves a team makes looks like to any of these so-called "experts", the only thing that really matters is actually playing the games.

Think of it this way - these guys are basically us, but they're getting paid to voice an opinion or viewpoint to the local and/or national audience in a manner in which the info they impart sounds "official".

Also think on this: many of these "experts" will say something just to create controversy whether they truly believe the stuff their spewing or not, because dirt sells. Heck, look at all the discussions, heated or otherwise, that we've had over what one of these idiots has said.

[joethefan]

"The problem with Washington is that there hasn't been consistency with the players or the coaching staff since Dan Snyder took over, and that's a recipe for disaster. Fasten your seat belts; it's going to be bumpy ride."

That's one comment I would have agreed with and did until Gibbs got here.

[dogfight6]

We will play as well as injuries and breakes allow us. Gibbs will do better and with Jansen back our o-line will do better. If some of these other teams have one or two key injuries they go to the bottom of the barrell ie. either Manning Mcnabb or Brady and those teams become nothing.

[redwolf1218]

"The problem with Washington is that there hasn't been consistency with the players or the coaching staff since Dan Snyder took over, and that's a recipe for disaster. Fasten your seat belts; it's going to be bumpy ride."

That's one comment I would have agreed with and did until Gibbs got here.
true, but funny he'd say it now, the first time we've had continuity.

[joethefan]

true, but funny he'd say it now, the first time we've had continuity.

true but I felt that way about Snyder until we signed Gibbs.....thats the best thing he's done since he's been here

[SkinsKY]

Eh, we can't prove him wrong until we win something.

[redskin_rich]

Another writer who thinks they know more about football than Joe Gibbs........ :sleeping:

[flave1969]

This is an inconsistent site in its predictions. For instance Prisco can find no place for Shaun Alexander in his Top Ten RB's.

It is a line often repeated on this site however, until we start winning this will not stop. It is our losing record that makes these hacks seem clever.

[CowboyKilla]

they are idiots.

[CowboyKilla]

You guys are right on with the winning thing.
We win, these guys will be there with praise.

[skins lady]

I agree with most everyone on here. If we start to win, he'll write about us differently. But you can't blame him, what he has seen of us with Gibbs wasn't so great.

[SkinsKY]

You guys are right on with the winning thing.
We win, these guys will be there with praise.

I'd rather not have their praise. I'd rather that they simply be silent. Who seeks the praise of fools?

[Patrick]

"The problem with Washington is that there hasn't been consistency with the players or the coaching staff since Dan Snyder took over, and that's a recipe for disaster. Fasten your seat belts; it's going to be bumpy ride."

That's one comment I would have agreed with and did until Gibbs got here.

I understand the point Judge is trying to make - John Thompson says the same thing all the time BUT ........... in today’s NFL / era of free agency movement and successful organizations losing coaches to lesser teams - I REALLY don't see any team that maintains (even Philly and NE lose coaches and players) consistency. IMO, it comes down to quality FO personnel and a winning philosophy AND there where consistency really makes a winner.

[NamVet4]

This is the worst time of the year for us diehard fans! It is true that the hacks will write and copy each other all over the place. The consistent point is as always and already stated:
Until our Beloved Team starts winning we can expect more of the same drivel!
These self anointed sports gurus are like leeches in a swamp, they will suck the life blood out of you – so just burn them off and move forward. :)

[joethefan]

I understand the point Judge is trying to make - John Thompson says the same thing all the time BUT ........... in today’s NFL / era of free agency movement and successful organizations losing coaches to lesser teams - I REALLY don't see any team that maintains (even Philly and NE lose coaches and players) consistency. IMO, it comes down to quality FO personnel and a winning philosophy AND there where consistency really makes a winner.

Yea true but you have never seen a team with the coaching turnaround we have had in the past 6 years have you?.....

[dj_stouty]

I knew that article was going to bunch up the panties of many here at hr.

Almost everything he said in the article is true. You don't need a high-powered microscope to come up with those conclusions. His opinion is probably shared by almost everyone who doesn't consider themselves a Redskin fan!

This franchise has a looooong history of inconsistancy. Why on earth would NFL reporters think this year would be any different?

The proof is in the pudding, folks. Until we start winning, we should learn to deal with the criticism. I'll bet you $100 that Gibbs is...

[Patrick]

Yea true but you have never seen a team with the coaching turnaround we have had in the past 6 years have you?.....

Yeah - 49er's

[NamVet4]

:lol1: :lol3:

[skinfanjon]

I knew that article was going to bunch up the panties of many here at hr.

Almost everything he said in the article is true. You don't need a high-powered microscope to come up with those conclusions. His opinion is probably shared by almost everyone who doesn't consider themselves a Redskin fan!

This franchise has a looooong history of inconsistancy. Why on earth would NFL reporters think this year would be any different?

The proof is in the pudding, folks. Until we start winning, we should learn to deal with the criticism. I'll bet you $100 that Gibbs is...

I hear ya stouty, most of what he said is accurate. My thoughts echo the sentiments of the masses, winning will fix the problems. I posted this one for all of us that enjoy being the underdogs, that crave the media's leer, so that the wins are that much sweeter. Not to mention I get a little peeved when someone doubts our coach.

[skinfanjon]

This thread title had me worried.

Sorry, I tried to change it for that reason but it wouldnt let me.

[redwolf1218]

Yeah - 49er's
and Nolan just dealt John Engelberger (45 tackles, 6 sacks) for Willie Middlebrooks (20 tackles, 1 sack). smart move :rolleyes:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2107356

Middlebrooks, 26, started only two games during his four seasons with the Broncos.

The 49ers held off calling Engelberger until Wednesday because they wanted to investigate a domestic assault charge involving Middlebrooks that is scheduled to go to trail Oct. 11. The domestic charge involves a girlfriend.

[28thegreat]

This guy's info is so tired and overstated. Let's be real clear here. To date, since the end of the season, reporters have had access to exactly 2 hours of mini-camp (the rest was closed to reporters and the media). They were not allowed into OTAs and saw only what we did through Redskins.com TV. Mr. Judge's first name should be "Poor" for that is the kind of Judge he is if he is willing to make these kind of off-handed uninformed remarks for the sake of his measely article. I mean, come on, is Clark Judge on anybody's list of great sports reporters? Huh?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Screw 'em, let's prove them all wrong. Time to shock the world.
quoted for emphasis.

[redwolf1218]

quoted for emphasis.
it seems like every year there is some surprise cinderella team that no one would have picked, like the Panthers a few years ago for example...might as well be us this year.

[The Skinsinator]

it seems like every year there is some surprise cinderella team that no one would have picked, like the Panthers a few years ago for example...might as well be us this year.

I agree. The experts don't no diddley. To add more light to this discussion, almost every nfl preseason mag Ive read has us finishing last in the East. We need to use this as fuel to the fire. We need a breakout year badly.

[redskn65]

Bottom dwellers are what we are and anyone who thinks differently I would have to say is not thinking logically.The last 5 yrs or so we have stunk up the joint and last year with Coach Gibbs wasn`t exactly a banner year.No one is going to give us props on anything we do or any player we acquire until we start winning and winning consistantly.This is the beauty of this website because I see your names and I feel you guys and gals passion for our team and it lets me know those who love this team whether we are 16-0 or 0-16 .This team OUR TEAM will get back to winning and winning soon and trust me there will be a lot of people breaking their ankles attempting to jump back on the bandwagon.We all know who the true believers are and I`ll ride with you guys and my team until we get back on top!

[Joe-T]

Let them say what they want .Until we win their not wrong but once we win their silence will be deafening . :)

[cwh25]

Nobody knows jack until the games are played.

[Joe-T]

Nobody knows jack until the games are played.



Jacks not here ,I wish he was . :)

[C-7]

In this article, this guys makes some of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard:


Will Eli Manning be a success?

Remember how brother Peyton struggled in his first year? He was 3-13 and 1-6 in his first seven games. He was 13-3 the following season and forever thanked then-coach Jim Mora for not pulling him as a rookie. Eli doesn't have Marvin Harrison or Edgerrin James, but he has more weapons than his brother did and a better defense.



Hello you idiot! You're talking about Eli not Payton, just because they're related doesn't mean their both amazing quarterbacks.



Will Joe Gibbs get it turned around in Washington?

Without Fred Smoot? Without Antonio Pierce?



Who and who? As if we lost Ray Lewis and Darrel Green. I'm really getting tired of this crap.


Will the Raiders regret acquiring Randy Moss?

So Moss takes plays off. Big deal.



Yeah, big deal! Ask Norv Turner halfway through the season if it's a big deal or not.

[Joe-T]

When we win it'll stop . :)

[STaylor36boom]

Its a breath of fresh air to me. Goofballs like this are the ones who picked us when we were paper champs. The jinx ain't on us this year is what I take out of this dribble.

[STaylor36boom]

Turn to espn right now and see there analysis of the skins and gibbs.. coming upp next.

[STaylor36boom]

Nevermind .. Salisbury was just blowin wind about how itll take years before we can do anything, bashed our personnel and coaching staff aside from gibbs. GW is the man I dont know what he wuz thinkin.

[skinfanjon]

Nevermind .. Salisbury was just blowin wind about how itll take years before we can do anything, bashed our personnel and coaching staff aside from gibbs. GW is the man I dont know what he wuz thinkin.

This coming from the same guy who jumped on the "Seattle is going to the Super Bowl" bandwagon last season.

Salisbury is a great name for him.....cuz he's a meathead.

[Redskin-4-life]

This coming from the same guy who jumped on the "Seattle is going to the Super Bowl" bandwagon last season.

Salisbury is a great name for him.....cuz he's a meathead.
Yea, I don't think his predictions ever came close.

[Davey]

I'll admit I didn't read the whole thread so this might have been posted and I apologize if it was, but his argument doesn't make sense to me. Judge, and every other sportswriter, has been claiming that it was Gibbs' offense that was the problem. Now his whole argument that they won't get better is based on personnel. You can't have it both ways. The Redskins should still have a playoff caliber defense, unless whoever starts at MLB is completely incompetent (highly unlikely). If the offensive system was as terrible as Judge and everyone claims then improving that should make up for what is no worse than a small downgrade personnel wise (I would argue they're better, but I'm biased).

If Gibbs' offense was as bad as everyone claims it was last year, then the only two ways you can argue the Redskins will be worse is to claim that Gibbs is incapable of fixing the offense, or to claim you've looked into your crystal ball and the Redskins are going to be this year's Panthers and lose most of their best players to injuries.

[828791Redskins]

Nevermind .. Salisbury was just blowin wind about how itll take years before we can do anything, bashed our personnel and coaching staff aside from gibbs. GW is the man I dont know what he wuz thinkin.
He really didn't bash us that much.He put more of an emphasis on the players.He thinks Gibbs can do it,just not this year.

[Hate d' cowboys]

Boy am I getting tired of hearing crap like this:

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8640686

I don't think I will look at cbssportsline anymore....these guys have constant inaccuracies in their reporting, not to mention they usually take the incorrect stance in their opinions. I'm not even going to get into Prisco's junk about the top 50 players, the ratings, overrated, etc.

We should have a special archive for all these negative Gibbs/Skins articles so we can wave them in everyone's face later this season.

Well it is cbs dude

[Hate d' cowboys]

He really didn't bash us that much.He put more of an emphasis on the players.He thinks Gibbs can do it,just not this year.

I didn't read that. He said gibbs wouldn't get it turned around period.

[Hate d' cowboys]

This coming from the same guy who jumped on the "Seattle is going to the Super Bowl" bandwagon last season.

Salisbury is a great name for him.....cuz he's a meathead.

lol! :lol1:

[Hate d' cowboys]

Any criticism against the Redskins so far is fair and just. The bottom line is we have to show up on Sundays and Win.

The media does not view the Redskins personnel decisions as an improvement. In fact, many HR.com members have argued about the same personnel decisions which were made in this article. However, as a Redskin fan we must have faith in Joe and the team.

The media may trash the Redskins because they have no reason to give us any praise. Only true believers will have faith in Gibbs and the Redskins success!

I think a little more respect is due a man with a history of success like Gibbs...success in every aspect of his life.

[Hate d' cowboys]

true, but funny he'd say it now, the first time we've had continuity.

That just speaks to his ignorance of the situation....i mean come on, it's CBS.

[Joe-T]

He really didn't bash us that much.He put more of an emphasis on the players.He thinks Gibbs can do it,just not this year.

Yup , I saw it on ESPN (NFL today...I think)...He said tha Gibbs "can" do it but just not this year .Tiki Barber said it best "once you stop playing you don't know *** ******* ******* ******* ****"...not one of those guys knows jack about the Skins or anything else .

[Redskin-4-life]

Agree,
Salisbury always has something negative to say, besides, what has he done during his career?

[skins111111]

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[skin-deep]

........ sigh. Just like over the last few years people expecting too much from the redskins, we might surprise a few of the na sayers this year. I really HOPE so. But they have not had one of the best offseasons. Pretty much the opposite. What would you expect most people to say looking at what has happened? "Skins are looking good. United they stand, look like a contender going into camp." Again....what do you expect them to say? I'll talk it up with anybody. That's the games people play. For now let fools puff their chests and for the "experts" to make their calls. After 4 weeks if the Skins have 3 wins you don't think those "experts" will be back paddling like a burned 3rd string cb?

Go Nats.......pray for waves. Your Fl. connection.

[skin-deep]

Watch out for the Giants??? The Giants?! I just don't get it. Eli has more weapons than Peyton but doesnt have Edge or Harrison...that just doesnt make sense.
What about an O-Line? You can't win in the NFL without a very good O-Line.
The Giants are going to suck just like they have the past couple years...maybe a little improvement. I say 6-10.

I hope your right my friend, but I've watched over too many years thinking the G-man had no chance only to see them in the Post and us with are nose up against the glass looking in. I'm an old guy so I'm talking over the years. If they're down this year then kick um in the teeth so they remember. I'm with you there.

[skinfanjon]

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Thats interesting, considering Doc had some extremely negative things to say regarding the organization around Draft time. He basically went on a rant at how the Skins traded away the future and blah, blah, blah. It is curious to see him do a complete 180 only a few months later. So that leaves me with two ways to view it:
1. He pissed some people off at Redskin Park and is trying to make ammends
2. He saw the team practice and has really begun to believe in them

I'm going to go with #2. I hope he's right, cuz I can't take much more losing (of course I will if I have to but I really don't want to)

[ihatedallas]

Writers are all statistical junkies...they take what we had last year do the addition and sbtraction...they dont account for who fits were or inn what system...There was articles like this before the season were the pats won number 1, and for the panthers before they went to the bowl 2 years ago. Writers treat football more like math rather then football...



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