Rumor: Panthers to sign 50/50 if we release him

[ryflan47]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/NFL_SC-RUMOR

Now why wouldn't we try to at least get SOMETHING out of this Rod Gardner situation?

[BIGSEF3]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/NFL_SC-RUMOR

Now why wouldn't we try to at least get SOMETHING out of this Rod Gardner situation?

We don't have that luxury. Everyone in the NFL knows we are going to release him. Few teams truly want him. If they were to trade us something for Gardner, they would be idiots. It's not like a bidding war is going to develop over Gardner or anything.

[PA Skins Girl]

It says "according to the Washington Post". Has anyone seen the Post report anything about the Panthers being interested?

[joethefan]

IF this is true what are we waiting for????

I say call a yellow cab to take him to dulles.....now....

[Ibleedburgundy]

IF this is true what are we waiting for????

I say call a yellow cab to take him to dulles.....now....


Exactly. Hey Rod, don't let the door hit you in the A$$ on the way out!

[Redskin4Life]

It says "according to the Washington Post". Has anyone seen the Post report anything about the Panthers being interested?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002083.html

At the bottom of this article:

An NFL source said Carolina has expressed some interest in Gardner, but with most clubs expecting the wide receiver to eventually be released there have been no substantial trade offers.

Typical from media types... misconstruing what was originally said.

[Cowboys Suck]

This might be a little far fetched, but does anyone think that the recent stir with Michael Barrow's status is somehow related to Gardner? What I mean is, if the Redskins were able to renegotiate Barrow's contract, they could realistically hold on to Gardner and wait for a team in dire need to trade for him. Training camp is coming up and someone ALWAYS gets hurt. By renegotiating MB's contract so he would make the veteran minimum,$765,000, they would save ~ $975,000. That coupled with the $$ from cutting Morton and the small amount of salary cap money that they have left, there really would be no real rush to cut 50/50.



The Salary Cap % of DGR for 2002 - 2006


Minimum salaries have changed as follows:

Years 2002
0 $230,000
1 $305,000
2 $380,000
3 $455,000
4-6 $540,000
7-9 $665,000
10+ $765,000

[LATrueRedskin]

We blew it already. We're not getting anything for him so it doesn't matter where he goes.

[BurgundyNGold]

We don't have that luxury. Everyone in the NFL knows we are going to release him. Few teams truly want him. If they were to trade us something for Gardner, they would be idiots. It's not like a bidding war is going to develop over Gardner or anything.
Wrong. If we release Barrow, we don't need to release 50/50. We can still get something for him.

[PA Skins Girl]

This might be a little far fetched, but does anyone think that the recent stir with Michael Barrow's status is somehow related to Gardner? What I mean is, if the Redskins were able to renegotiate Barrow's contract, they could realistically hold on to Gardner and wait for a team in dire need to trade for him. Training camp is coming up and someone ALWAYS gets hurt. By renegotiating MB's contract so he would make the veteran minimum,$765,000, they would save ~ $975,000. That coupled with the $$ from cutting Morton and the small amount of salary cap money that they have left, there really would be no real rush to cut 50/50.



The Salary Cap % of DGR for 2002 - 2006


Minimum salaries have changed as follows:

Years 2002
0 $230,000
1 $305,000
2 $380,000
3 $455,000
4-6 $540,000
7-9 $665,000
10+ $765,000
Not far fetched at all. I had the same thought in the Barrow thread.

[PA Skins Girl]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002083.html

At the bottom of this article:



Typical from media types... misconstruing what was originally said.
Thank you!

[whistleandthumb]

How much do we save again by getting rid of Gardner?

I only ask because I wonder if it would be more advantageous of us to just hang onto him, and, should another team have an injury in TC or during the season, we could trade him for something. Otherwise, we just make him suffer by sitting on the bench.

[redwolf1218]

How much do we save again by getting rid of Gardner?


2.097 Mil
http://redskins.scout.com/3/cutsavings.html

[whistleandthumb]

2.097 Mil
http://redskins.scout.com/3/cutsavings.html
Wow... okay send his arse packin'.

[BurgundyNGold]

Wow... okay send his arse packin'.
I wouldn't if we don't need to. $2M isn't that much on the cap and we can sign out draft picks (or darn close to it) by just cutting loose ol' creaky knee.

[CNYSkinFan]

I like the theory of cutting Barrow and then holding onto Gardner for training camp. It is a pretty good guess that PA SKins Girl had.

I doubt it will lead to fruition for one reason, Koreem Robinson. The best secnario the redskisn could have is an already short on receiver team, say Carolina or SD loses a receiver in training camp. However with adequate receivers in FA still left I am not sure that Gardner will draw an interest, or at least interest ewnough to give up a pick for him.

[redskin_rich]

I like the theory of cutting Barrow and then holding onto Gardner for training camp. It is a pretty good guess that PA SKins Girl had.

I doubt it will lead to fruition for one reason, Koreem Robinson. The best secnario the redskisn could have is an already short on receiver team, say Carolina or SD loses a receiver in training camp. However with adequate receivers in FA still left I am not sure that Gardner will draw an interest, or at least interest ewnough to give up a pick for him.
I assume you mean the soon to be suspended for the year Koren Robinson, what does he have to do with this?

[BurgundyNGold]

I like the theory of cutting Barrow and then holding onto Gardner for training camp. It is a pretty good guess that PA SKins Girl had.

I doubt it will lead to fruition for one reason, Koreem Robinson. The best secnario the redskisn could have is an already short on receiver team, say Carolina or SD loses a receiver in training camp. However with adequate receivers in FA still left I am not sure that Gardner will draw an interest, or at least interest ewnough to give up a pick for him.
Yeah, that's why Carolina has been tripping over themselves to sign Koren Robinson in the two months that he's been on the market. :rolleyes:

[IowaSkinsFan]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/NFL_SC-RUMOR

Now why wouldn't we try to at least get SOMETHING out of this Rod Gardner situation?

The Panthers like him so much that they are willing to trade for him?

[CapitalDefense]

Living in NC and having the Panthers shoved down my throat year in and year out. I would really hope that he signs elsewhere, only for the fear of him FINALLY realizing his potential and me having the pleasure of hearing about it.

[smoot]

Living in NC and having the Panthers shoved down my throat year in and year out. I would really hope that he signs elsewhere, only for the fear of him FINALLY realizing his potential and me having the pleasure of hearing about it.
hey, where in nc are you

[skinfan43]

Living in NC and having the Panthers shoved down my throat year in and year out. I would really hope that he signs elsewhere, only for the fear of him FINALLY realizing his potential and me having the pleasure of hearing about it.
Don't worry, he WILL realize his potential if he goes to the Panthers...
But only about 50% of it.

[Wild Bore]

It says "according to the Washington Post". Has anyone seen the Post report anything about the Panthers being interested?

I wonder how the Washington Post knows anything. It is not exactly like they have been in the Redskins inner circle lately! :lol1:

[redskin_rich]

Don't worry, he WILL realize his potential if he goes to the Panthers...
But only about 50% of it.
:lol1:


It will be funny to see how quick the fans for whatever team (Carolina) start calling him 50/50.

[skinfan43]

:lol1:


It will be funny to see how quick the fans for whatever team (Carolina) start calling him 50/50.
My guess is 50% sooner than we did.

Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

[colkurtz]

The Redskins will keep Gardner until training camp is finished. The team will get no trade value for him in the end when he is released, except the satisfaction to hold him dangling since he refused to make deals which could have netted the Redskins a draft pick earlier this year.

I'll be glad to see him go...................................

[ryflan47]

The Redskins will keep Gardner until training camp is finished. The team will get no trade value for him in the end when he is released, except the satisfaction to hold him dangling since he refused to make deals which could have netted the Redskins a draft pick earlier this year.

I'll be glad to see him go...................................

That's a cold thing to do to someone who has done so much for our organization. I mean he gives 50% on and off of the field!

[CapitalDefense]

hey, where in nc are you
Charlotte

[redskin_rich]

Charlotte
Are you going to the preseason game down there on 8/13?

[smoot]

Are you going to the preseason game down there on 8/13?
aaaah, i forgot it was here im def going now

[garedskin]

It is funny the only team to have any interest in Gardner was the team he had his best game against,and that was his rookie year.Gardner could end up with the coach who drafted him in SanDiego.I thought at the time(01) we should have drafted G Steve Hutchenson instead of Gardner and today it turned out to be a no-brainer that we should have.Oh well. :Peace:

[Keino]

I thought at the time(01) we should have drafted G Steve Hutchenson instead of Gardner and today it turned out to be a no-brainer that we should have.Oh well. :Peace:


Man I was right there with you, that would've been the best move. Certainly would've freed us up to take Mike Doss instead of Derrick Dockery, both things I wanted us to do in those respective drafts.

Regarding Gardner, it should be painfully obvious that nobody will give up anything for him. Why should we care who picks him up after we cut him? I do like the idea of holding onto him (If it is feesible to sign our rookies) and trading him to a desperate team who loses a WR to injury. Now we have to hope for another "Steve Smith" type of scenario to unfold....

[skins111111]

so we would get to play against 50/50 Aug. 13......Springs would like that but he would be covering Steve Smith......for like 5 min......they will probably play Rod a lot to see what they have.....with Carlos ailing Wilds should get lots of playing time

[BIGSEF3]

Wrong. If we release Barrow, we don't need to release 50/50. We can still get something for him.

no, you are wrong. we told 50/50 not to show up. when we did that, we sent a clear signal that gardner was not part of our plans this year. there are 31 other teams in the NFL. why do people always think those teams are made up of idiots who are just waiting to do something that favors the redskins?

[chrisbcbu]

i still cant believe he is around! Cut him already! give him time to sign with another team.

If we are going to keep him let him come to camp.

[BurgundyNGold]

no, you are wrong. we told 50/50 not to show up. when we did that, we sent a clear signal that gardner was not part of our plans this year. there are 31 other teams in the NFL. why do people always think those teams are made up of idiots who are just waiting to do something that favors the redskins?
I said you were wrong because I don't think that you've thought this through.

You're assuming that nobody would trade him if they think we're going to cut him. That is correct. You are also assuming that we have to cut him to clear up cap room to sign the rookies. That is incorrect. We don't have to. Barrow's release would clear up most of the room needed.

Now, turn the tables and pull a McCardell, which BTW was the same situation in TB that we have now. Don't reward Gardner or other teams who expect us to be impatient and rash. Let's be patient, and then trade him late in camp -- or even into the season.

What's the difference? If we cut him now, we get nothing, which is what every team that is looking at him is banking on. They're all counting on Dan being impatient and rash. If we hold onto him, a more opportune time will come in August, September or even October. We might get a 6th out of it like TB did. If not, we get nothing, but we don't reward teams for banking on our hastiness. In the end, that would be FAR more devastating for our future FO dealings. I'd rather have him sit this season than to undermine our FO by cutting him.

[IowaSkinsFan]

My biggest question about Rod is why was he always starting? Even in the last game of the year. If they were that dissatisfied with the way Rod played, and it's fairly obvious they are, then why couldn't Taylor Jacobs or James Thrash push him to the bench?

For all of his problems with dropping the ball and whatnot, he sure didn't have a problem staying in the starting lineup.

[BurgundyNGold]

My biggest question about Rod is why was he always starting? Even in the last game of the year. If they were that dissatisfied with the way Rod played, and it's fairly obvious they are, then why couldn't Taylor Jacobs or James Thrash push him to the bench?

For all of his problems with dropping the ball and whatnot, he sure didn't have a problem staying in the starting lineup.
I think that might be more a condition of economics or a reflection of our other WRs.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Man I was right there with you, that would've been the best move. Certainly would've freed us up to take Mike Doss instead of Derrick Dockery, both things I wanted us to do in those respective drafts.

Regarding Gardner, it should be painfully obvious that nobody will give up anything for him. Why should we care who picks him up after we cut him? I do like the idea of holding onto him (If it is feesible to sign our rookies) and trading him to a desperate team who loses a WR to injury. Now we have to hope for another "Steve Smith" type of scenario to unfold....

Marty wanted to show everyone he was running the show and not Dan Snyder. Snyder wanted Moss, Marty wanted Rod....we all know who won and why Marty was out a year later.

[skinfan43]

I said you were wrong because I don't think that you've thought this through.

You're assuming that nobody would trade him if they think we're going to cut him. That is correct. You are also assuming that we have to cut him to clear up cap room to sign the rookies. That is incorrect. We don't have to. Barrow's release would clear up most of the room needed.

Now, turn the tables and pull a McCardell, which BTW was the same situation in TB that we have now. Don't reward Gardner or other teams who expect us to be impatient and rash. Let's be patient, and then trade him late in camp -- or even into the season.

What's the difference? If we cut him now, we get nothing, which is what every team that is looking at him is banking on. They're all counting on Dan being impatient and rash. If we hold onto him, a more opportune time will come in August, September or even October. We might get a 6th out of it like TB did. If not, we get nothing, but we don't reward teams for banking on our hastiness. In the end, that would be FAR more devastating for our future FO dealings. I'd rather have him sit this season than to undermine our FO by cutting him.
I've gotta agree with you. I don't think Gibbs would be content to just release him if the team financially doesn't have to. Why? There are 31 other teams that have 31 chances in the next 6 weeks to lose their number one receiver - everyone knows Gardner's the best available out there right now, and picture, say, the Bears losing newly acquired WR Mushin Muhammed to a torn ACL in the preseason - dude, they'd give up at least a 3rd/4th rounder to salvage their season that hasn't even started yet!
I also feel Gibbs is still severely pissed about Gardner's mid-week, mid-season, late-night party that landed Sean Taylor in the back of a squad car.
That's NOT the type of player Gibbs wants, and it's JUST the type of player Gibbs won't have any trouble hanging onto (as long as he wants) for trade bait.
Either way, by releasing or trading him, Gardner is going to get us more cap room if necessary or best-case scenario, a 3rd round pick.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I wonder if the team could open itself up to a grievance if it doesn' trade Gardner by the start of TC and doesn't let him practice? This could get interesting.

[Keino]

I think they would have to let him practice to avoid such a thing. I doubt he would want to participate, however.

[whitskins]

I think they would have to let him practice to avoid such a thing. I doubt he would want to participate, however.

What about what the Bucs did with Keyshawn? Couldn't we do that? He'd still get paid.

[Ohiofan]

Kind of like when everyone knew that Jacksonville was going to release Brunell and "only an idiot" would have traded for him.

[sdredskinsfan]

Man I was right there with you, that would've been the best move. Certainly would've freed us up to take Mike Doss instead of Derrick Dockery, both things I wanted us to do in those respective drafts.



If I remember correctly, Doss was taken in the second round (and, of course, Dockery was a third-round selection). To be accurate, we took Jacobs instead of Doss.

[BurgundyNGold]

I wonder if the team could open itself up to a grievance if it doesn' trade Gardner by the start of TC and doesn't let him practice? This could get interesting.
How could you possibly file a grievance for getting paid for doing nothing? What grievance could he have?

[redskin_rich]

Just to remind you all, Rod is one of the players that stood up and told Gibbs he didn't want to play here, along with Toe'veranues. Thats good enough reason for me to let his sorry teflon handed arse sit at home and not participate w/the team. Just like Keshawn had to do in Tampa, heck maybe we can still get something for Rod if we're patient.

[FanFromArizona]

How could you possibly file a grievance for getting paid for doing nothing? What grievance could he have?

I saw this on espn.com:

"Some silly comments from Redskins' officials this week, contending that, if they don't release wide receiver Rod Gardner before camp starts, they still don't want him at practice. The guy is under contract and, as such, the Redskins can't deprive him the right to earn a living. Excusing him from offseason workouts is one thing. Trying to keep him out of camp, where he has the contractual right to participate, is another. "

I am wondering about the "Redskins can't deprive him the right to earn a living" part, is there any language in the CBA or his contract about this?

[redskin_rich]

I saw this on espn.com:

"Some silly comments from Redskins' officials this week, contending that, if they don't release wide receiver Rod Gardner before camp starts, they still don't want him at practice. The guy is under contract and, as such, the Redskins can't deprive him the right to earn a living. Excusing him from offseason workouts is one thing. Trying to keep him out of camp, where he has the contractual right to participate, is another. "

I am wondering about the "Redskins can't deprive him the right to earn a living" part, is there any language in the CBA or his contract about this?
Was that from Lenny CantseePasthisbelly's article? It sounds like something he would write. He needs to stick to the things he knows, like the menu of his nearby $4.99 all-you-can-eat buffet and what time the meals on wheels truck stops by his office.
As long as Rod is getting paid, the Skins can play or not play him as they please. They should bring him to camp as the designated tackling dummy.

[FanFromArizona]

Was that from Lenny CantseePasthisbelly's article? It sounds like something he would write. He needs to stick to the things he knows, like the menu of his nearby $4.99 all-you-can-eat buffet and what time the meals on wheels truck stops by his office.
As long as Rod is getting paid, the Skins can play or not play him as they please. They should bring him to camp as the designated tackling dummy.

Yeah, it was from CantseePasthisbelly. Funny how he leaves out the part of
"as such, Rod can't deprive us the right to earn a draft pick either."
I don't know about this, could we keep him on the roster and keep him off the active roster for a period of time?

[redskin_rich]

Yeah, it was from CantseePasthisbelly. Funny how he leaves out the part of
"as such, Rod can't deprive him the right to earn a draft pick either."
I don't know about this, could we keep him on the roster and keep him off the active roster for a period of time?
I think so because he told Gibbs at the end of the season last year that he didn't want to play here. I think with that the Skins can claim that his attitude is a detriment to the team.
Can't your employer tell you to stay home as long as they are paying you, without you having any legal discourse?

[ConradCountry]

Rod Gardner is not on this team anymore and we are not going to get anything for him so lets get rid of him and guys like Barrow and get the rookies signed and ready to go. This is in my opinion a minni rebuilding offseason and it has looked ugly but lets continue to trim the fat off the roster.

[BIGSEF3]

I've gotta agree with you. I don't think Gibbs would be content to just release him if the team financially doesn't have to. Why? There are 31 other teams that have 31 chances in the next 6 weeks to lose their number one receiver - everyone knows Gardner's the best available out there right now, and picture, say, the Bears losing newly acquired WR Mushin Muhammed to a torn ACL in the preseason - dude, they'd give up at least a 3rd/4th rounder to salvage their season that hasn't even started yet!
I also feel Gibbs is still severely pissed about Gardner's mid-week, mid-season, late-night party that landed Sean Taylor in the back of a squad car.
That's NOT the type of player Gibbs wants, and it's JUST the type of player Gibbs won't have any trouble hanging onto (as long as he wants) for trade bait.
Either way, by releasing or trading him, Gardner is going to get us more cap room if necessary or best-case scenario, a 3rd round pick.

No one is in a "rush" to get rid of gardner. hell, i argued we should keep him for a very long time. however, by telling him NOT to show up for camp, we told him, and every team in the NFL that gardner would not be on our roster this year. Garder is gone, partly b/c he was apparently in cohoots with coles in telling Gibbs they didnt WANT to be a part of this team. B/c of that, Gibbs doesnt want him on his team. This isnt just about cap room. Its about Gibbs having the players he wants on his roster. If we ever wanted to have ANY hope of trading gardner, we would have invited him to camp and let him compete. If gardner got good vibes and really impressed in camp, imagine how much more teams would be willing to offer something for him.

I dont want to just flat out release gardner. But the truth is, we will not get one cent for him no matter how long we wait. In addition, cutting gardner this year has its advantages. We could use the extra 2M to help "frontload" campbell and rogers contracts, reducing the cap impact for later years when we will be in deep sh--, capwise. rest asured, when we do reslease gardner, it won't be totally in vain.

[bgforever]

But the truth is, we will not get one cent for him no matter how long we wait. In addition, cutting gardner this year has its advantages. We could use the extra 2M to help "frontload" campbell and rogers contracts, reducing the cap impact for later years when we will be in deep sh--, capwise. rest asured, when we do reslease gardner, it won't be totally in vain.


That is the picture from this point. It was noted that both 1st rounders needed to be signed and it isn't far fetched to be stuck still with Barrow, if we don't release or trade him as well. Unlike Barrow, Gardner HASN'T been allowed any flow, participation, play-review or activities, as well as film room review. Barrow also was cleared to practice, however his practice curve and consideration of the cap are heavier against him. These three areas, Gardner, Barrow and the signing of all picks, unsigned and FA players all force cap considerations faster now than before, since camp is 7 days away.

By NOT allowing Gardner to participate in minis and TC, we have increased the likelihood that teams WON'T be as interested initially in him or hold him as high regard (football shape, agility improvement, team participation) as before. He'd still possibly be traded, but his stock isn't as great as we may think.

Barrow however, could wind up being in the same position as Jeremiah Trotter, now back with the Eagles, by having that timely recovery in late season to be back in form, the only question is what team is that. I still say Indianapolis could sign him, as a tutor for the younger set of LB's and a better fit than Rob Morris because he doesn't get lost and Morris, though younger, stays injured more. Barrow could at least sign for a yr, but Edge is pushing the FO this season, so Barrow could be skipped.

[colkurtz]

You hold Gardner to the end of the TC and if there are no offers, you dump him. The chances of getting a draft pick for him are very remote, but it sends a message to others who want to bail, after the Coles fiasco.

He made three mistakes:
1) Throwing a mid-season, mid-week party
2) Telling Gibbs he didn't want to be a Redskins anymore at season's end
3) Turning down offers from other teams because he wanted a long-term deal

[BIGSEF3]

well from gardners perspective, none of those are really mistakes. If he didnt want to be a redskin, he's getting an ideal situation. he will be a free agent, and probably WILL get more than a 1 year deal from a team like the panthers.

[redskin_rich]

well from gardners perspective, none of those are really mistakes. If he didnt want to be a redskin, he's getting an ideal situation. he will be a free agent, and probably WILL get more than a 1 year deal from a team like the panthers.
I don't see how you could call his situation ideal. Ideally he would be playing out his contract year and show something to net himself a big deal in free agency. As it is, nobody seems interested in giving up anything for him, so I seriously doubt anybody would give him a big multi-year deal. He is stuck in limbo on a team that has no plans on using him and the longer he stays inactive with teams going in to camp, the worse his chances of getting a starting job elsewhere.
If you ask me, I'd say Rod is pretty much screwed and it serves him right.

[CNYSkinFan]

There is a difference between being contractually obligated to attend and also being allowed to attend. The Redskins have the right to bar any player from camp. However they will still have to pay him if they do. They could also sus[pend a player for conduct detrimental to the team and then not pay him either. However no one is suggesting that.

Attending training camp is not a right....and until the Redskisn announce their final roster they can keep gardner waiting if they want to.

[BIGSEF3]

I don't see how you could call his situation ideal. Ideally he would be playing out his contract year and show something to net himself a big deal in free agency. As it is, nobody seems interested in giving up anything for him, so I seriously doubt anybody would give him a big multi-year deal. He is stuck in limbo on a team that has no plans on using him and the longer he stays inactive with teams going in to camp, the worse his chances of getting a starting job elsewhere.
If you ask me, I'd say Rod is pretty much screwed and it serves him right.

I dont look at things that way. Rod Gardner wanted out and he is getting out. Teams arent trading for rod, not because he isn't talented, but beccause everyone knows we will release him and then they can get him for "free." Nearly everything that people use as an "excuse" for patrick ramseys lackluster performance can also be said for gardner. Heck, Gardner has never had a truly good NFL quarterback throwing the ball his way. He has been in a new system just about every year. He's no randy moss, but he's also not the garbage we, as fans, have made him out to be.

Gardner is going to get a nice contract, and he will get to play for a team that is NOT the redskins this year. You have to remember, if someone does not want to be on a team so bad, that you go up to a hall of fame coach who has won 3 superbowls and have the nerve to tell him you dont want to play for him less half-way through his 1st season back in the NFL, then you are a person who is happy just to be off the team.

Rod Gardner doesnt want to play for joe gibbs and thats fine. He's going to get what he wants. And thats just fine. He will regret it later when Gibbs goes on to win atleast 2 more superbowls without him.

[CapitalDefense]

Are you going to the preseason game down there on 8/13?

ummmm.....HELL YES!!!!!

[redskin_rich]

I dont look at things that way. Rod Gardner wanted out and he is getting out. Teams arent trading for rod, not because he isn't talented, but beccause everyone knows we will release him and then they can get him for "free." Nearly everything that people use as an "excuse" for patrick ramseys lackluster performance can also be said for gardner. Heck, Gardner has never had a truly good NFL quarterback throwing the ball his way. He has been in a new system just about every year. He's no randy moss, but he's also not the garbage we, as fans, have made him out to be.

Gardner is going to get a nice contract, and he will get to play for a team that is NOT the redskins this year. You have to remember, if someone does not want to be on a team so bad, that you go up to a hall of fame coach who has won 3 superbowls and have the nerve to tell him you dont want to play for him less half-way through his 1st season back in the NFL, then you are a person who is happy just to be off the team.

Rod Gardner doesnt want to play for joe gibbs and thats fine. He's going to get what he wants. And thats just fine. He will regret it later when Gibbs goes on to win atleast 2 more superbowls without him.

I don't think Rod is garbage. He is average at best. With his size and athleticism he should be much more than average.

I don't think having a better QB will help him catch the ball any better either. He has concentration problems and I think it has something to do with his work ethic and lack of devotion to his job. Eric Moulds has had a stellar career without a good QB. Joe Horn puts up great numbers without a good QB. If Rod was worth anything he would have made a few big plays by now.

As far as Rod regretting his departure here, I could care less. Just as long as he doesn't learn to catch and have a big game against us ;).

[redskin_rich]

ummmm.....HELL YES!!!!!
Good deal! You should have lots of fellow Skins fans to party with, Carolina is still Skins country!

[BurgundyNGold]

There is a difference between being contractually obligated to attend and also being allowed to attend. The Redskins have the right to bar any player from camp. However they will still have to pay him if they do. They could also sus[pend a player for conduct detrimental to the team and then not pay him either. However no one is suggesting that.

Attending training camp is not a right....and until the Redskisn announce their final roster they can keep gardner waiting if they want to.
I think this is closest to real conditions. Didn't TB send Keyshawn home and tell him not to show up? They still paid him for the remainder of the 2003 season and he had no recourse. How would Rod's case be any different?

[CNYSkinFan]

I think this is closest to real conditions. Didn't TB send Keyshawn home and tell him not to show up? They still paid him for the remainder of the 2003 season and he had no recourse. How would Rod's case be any different?

Actually I think TB tried not to pay Keyshawn and the union filed a grievance. If I am not mistaken I think TB won because they claimed Keyshawn was behaving with conduct detrimental to the team. I think Philly has the same clause in TO's contract that would allow them to suspend him if he acts up or plays half ass and NOT pay him.

This obviously does not apply to Gardner. The only thing the redskisn can do is pay him to stay home. Which is fine if they have the cap space to sign the other draft picks. Gardner's cap number is small and they can hold onto him right up until final roster time.

[Keino]

No Dustin, they had to pay Keyshawn. Essentially made him inactive for the remainder of the season.

[CNYSkinFan]

No Dustin, they had to pay Keyshawn. Essentially made him inactive for the remainder of the season.

Ok so if the Redskins are willing to pay Gardener they can make him sit the entire year if they want to.

[redwolf1218]

Gardner's cap number is small and they can hold onto him right up until final roster time.
his cap hit this year 3.257 M, according to this:
http://redskins.scout.com/3/salary_cap_chart.html
if he's cut or traded, the saving will be 2.097 M, according to this:
http://redskins.scout.com/3/cutsavings.html

[CNYSkinFan]

his cap hit this year 3.257 M, according to this:
http://redskins.scout.com/3/salary_cap_chart.html
if he's cut or traded, the saving will be 2.097 M, according to this:
http://redskins.scout.com/3/cutsavings.html

But by cutting Barrow even more is saved and they can sign their draft picks with the cap sppace there. That way some value will come from Gardner as camp moves on and people get hurt.

[redwolf1218]

But by cutting Barrow even more is saved and they can sign their draft picks with the cap sppace there. That way some value will come from Gardner as camp moves on and people get hurt.
Actually, cutting Barrow saves 1.740 M, pretty close to the same as Gardner, but not quite as much. i agree we could cut Barrow and wait to see if someone wants to trade for Gardner, but i doubt it'll happen. maybe making Gardner sit and wait will soften his stance on blocking trades by insisting on playing out his last contract year (if that is in fact what he's doing).

[colkurtz]

Actually, cutting Barrow saves 1.740 M, pretty close to the same as Gardner, but not quite as much. i agree we could cut Barrow and wait to see if someone wants to trade for Gardner, but i doubt it'll happen. maybe making Gardner sit and wait will soften his stance on blocking trades by insisting on playing out his last contract year (if that is in fact what he's doing).

Agreed. The Redskins will hold him until the last day of TC to stew him or [long shot] get an offer from a team with a WR problem due to injury. Rod won't be in camp and he'll be dumped before the start of the season.

He's a decent player who never met his considerable potential. Adios.

I'm far more interested in what will happen in the WRs fighting for a spot.......

[RedSkinBrit]

Gardner could have been a top WR with more application,but he didn,t seem to have the hunger to keep climbing.Time to move on.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Good deal! You should have lots of fellow Skins fans to party with, Carolina is still Skins country!
Hell Yeah it is, especially eastern NC. Charlotte is about 5 hours or so from here, while VA is only a couple of hours. I grew up watching the skins every sunday. In Edenton, NC (where I grew up) Fox still broadcasts out of Norfolk, VA and they get the VA Pilot too. I moved an hour and 15 minutes inland for work and all I get is all Panthers all the time. Yet, never once has my faith in the B & G faded.

[redskin_rich]

Hell Yeah it is, especially eastern NC. Charlotte is about 5 hours or so from here, while VA is only a couple of hours. I grew up watching the skins every sunday. In Edenton, NC (where I grew up) Fox still broadcasts out of Norfolk, VA and they get the VA Pilot too. I moved an hour and 15 minutes inland for work and all I get is all Panthers all the time. Yet, never once has my faith in the B & G faded.
I lived in Charlotte back in '89-'90 and was quite happy to have all the Redskins games shown on local TV. I guess that has changed now but whenever the Skins play down there, I always notice lots of burgundy up in the stands.

[hogs86]

I do not have a link but Gardner just got traded to the panthers.ESPN reports.

[Fathead]

they just said it as "breaking news" on sportscenter

[mexskins]

they just said it as "breaking news" on sportscenter

Yes, I saw it too.

Undisclosed Draft Pick

Hail from Mexico !!!

[redskn65]

Sounds like we at least got something for him instead of just releasing him and getting nothing. Another cancer gone from the team and another chance for my boy D-Mac to step it up and get his game out on the field!