Rogers and Campbell's contracts? No worries!

[joethefan]

Now that Alex Smith has signed his contract, how will it affect the skins signings? And will these two kids get in camp ontime? I'm getting a little worried. No word on those guys at all...has anyone heard anything?....

[redwolf1218]

i have been wondering the same thing, how come we are not hearing anything at all, less than a week until camp starts? maybe that's a good thing...no negotiating thru the press. i hope to hear one day soon that they are signed, but i was under the impression that we had to release someone to create the cap space.

[Redskinmayhem]

Usually everyone waits for the #1 to sign. Then they can judge the pay scale from there. I'm not worried until the second week of camp. then it gets to be worry time.

[IVSkinsFan]

Now that Smith signed, they will start signing rather quickly. I believe they will be there on time. Campbell will anyway and Rogers is a little hurt so if he's a day or two late, it shouldn't be a real big deal.

[redskin_rich]

I'm not worried, they will get signed and into camp. With Campbell not likely to contribute on the field, at least early on, and Rogers wearing a cast on his foot, there is little urgency.

[The Skinsinator]

I'm not worried, they will get signed and into camp. With Campbell not likely to contribute on the field, at least early on, and Rogers wearing a cast on his foot, there is little urgency.

Very good point. As much as we need to get them signed, you have got to think this is a little bit in the back of their minds. I will feel better when both are signed. They will be good, no doubt.

[joethefan]

I'm not worried, they will get signed and into camp. With Campbell not likely to contribute on the field, at least early on, and Rogers wearing a cast on his foot, there is little urgency.

You're right.....just remember last year at least around this time ST was the first to sign his contract.....camp began on the 31st....and by this time he had either signed his cotract or at least a couple of days before camp....

[whistleandthumb]

Rich nailed it. There's no IMMEDIATE need to get JC into camp, like there is in SF with Alex Smith. Rogers won't be playing the first few weeks due to injury, so, again, no immediate need to get his done. Regardless, knowing how Gibbs is with players showing up on time, I'd expect something to get done in the next 2 weeks, so neither player misses much time.

[redwolf1218]

one reason i'd like to get them signed is so other teams know we dont have to release Gardner.

until we sign them, teams will assume we have to release Gardner. that might be why they issued that silly statement about Barrow seeking a "trade".

[CarMike]

I'm not worried, they will get signed and into camp. With Campbell not likely to contribute on the field, at least early on, and Rogers wearing a cast on his foot, there is little urgency.

Rich nailed it for me. I'm not worried at all.

***Knocking on wood***I'm more worried about making it thru TC healthy. Especially our OL.

[CarMike]

You're right.....just remember last year at least around this time ST was the first to sign his contract.....camp began on the 31st....and by this time he had either signed his cotract or at least a couple of days before camp....

And what do we have to show for it? Up until he was arrested, Sean Taylor was going to be a holdout. I'd rather we wait it out and get it right now. Instead of having another issue next year.

[BurgundyNGold]

Since neither Rogers or Campbell were drafted to fill an immediate need, I think that it's not so important that they get in here immediately. I would rather have a cap friendly contract drawn up.

[redwolf1218]

i can never understand the friggin hold up. i know there's all sorts of variables, but basically they are slotted, with a slight increase over the previous year. it shouldnt be the rocket science it seems to have become. Alex Smith's contract was something like 30some pages long. :rolleyes:

[BurgundyNGold]

i can never understand the friggin hold up. i know there's all sorts of variables, but basically they are slotted, with a slight increase over the previous year. it shouldnt be the rocket science it seems to have become. Alex Smith's contract was something like 30some pages long. :rolleyes:
27 pages of which are boiler plate.

[CNYSkinFan]

i can never understand the friggin hold up. i know there's all sorts of variables, but basically they are slotted, with a slight increase over the previous year. it shouldnt be the rocket science it seems to have become. Alex Smith's contract was something like 30some pages long. :rolleyes:

It is all about guaranteed money now and achievable bonus'. Agents want mor eguaranteed cash and roster bonus to keep from getting cut/not renegotiating down the road. The players want more up front guaranteed money. And the teams want less of the other two and more restrictions on off the field activity.

It is different with every position and player.

[akhhorus]

And what do we have to show for it? Up until he was arrested, Sean Taylor was going to be a holdout. I'd rather we wait it out and get it right now. Instead of having another issue next year.

I hate to bring this up again, but even before the arrest, the skins didn't think that Taylor was going to holdout at all. They sent down their cap specialist to talk a new deal with Rosenhaus and Taylor in Miami, and he came back saying that they weren't interested in a new deal.

[CarMike]

I hate to bring this up again, but even before the arrest, the skins didn't think that Taylor was going to holdout at all. They sent down their cap specialist to talk a new deal with Rosenhaus and Taylor in Miami, and he came back saying that they weren't interested in a new deal.

Thanks Christian....ooops. The secret is out of the bag. :D

Really. I hadn't heard about this. My bad.

[akhhorus]

Thanks Christian....ooops. The secret is out of the bag. :D

Really. I hadn't heard about this. My bad.

lol. yeah, it was a big story that didn't register here(or anywhere in the NFL apparently), even though Gibbs brought it up in a press conference.

[bwparker]

lol. yeah, it was a big story that didn't register here(or anywhere in the NFL apparently), even though Gibbs brought it up in a press conference.
Details are too much for most people.
They perfer:
*in best neanderthal voice*
"Not in Camp? Want more money! BAD BAD BAD"
"Accused of Crime? Must be guilty! BAD BAD BAD"

or in the case of Coles:rolleyes:

"Not happy with offense? Must want more balls! BAD BAD BAD!"


Actually listening to what is said and understanding the details is WAY too much work for them. Sorry for the cynicism:D

[SkinsKY]

I think Smith's signing will have zero bearing on our negotiations. The contracts for #'s 8,10,23,25 will have a bearing.

[danny's stogie]

We may have to wait for PacMan and Rolle to sign before Rogers does. Good news is that supposedly PacMan's legal troubles will affect his contract and possibly lowering the pay scale for the other first round CBs even thought that dude in Oakland already signed.

[The Skinsinator]

We may have to wait for PacMan and Rolle to sign before Rogers does. Good news is that supposedly PacMan's legal troubles will affect his contract and possibly lowering the pay scale for the other first round CBs even thought that dude in Oakland already signed.

You know that the nfl is very competitive when it can be advantageous for another team's draftees to have legal problems. Frankly, I think it could prove beneficial. I want Rogers and Campbell locked up for a very long time.

[BIGSEF3]

I think Smith's signing will have zero bearing on our negotiations. The contracts for #'s 8,10,23,25 will have a bearing.

well said. although it doesnt really matter for rogers since he's hurt and can't play anyways. and i bet campell will sign and ask for something comparable to what aaron rogers gets. they may even try to get a bit more. the skins traded alot to get him, so since they know we wanted him so bad, his agents may hike up the price.

[redwolf1218]

i still think if we have any chance of getting anything for Gardner, we better get these guys signed and in camp somehow.

[The Skinsinator]

i still think if we have any chance of getting anything for Gardner, we better get these guys signed and in camp somehow.

Getting something for Gardner has been one of the neverending sagas of this offseason. It's pretty sad when we would probably take a 6th or 7th rounder for a former 1st rounder.

[The Skinsinator]

I think Smith's signing will increase could cause a little inflation and picks are, almost yearly, going to increase their contracts proportionally. There is no end in sight until the nfl intervenes.

[whitskins]

Only four first rounders have signed thus far and we have the latest training camp start date in the league. I'm not worried, these guys should get something worked out soon, I'd bet they're working on it 24/7 up until camp.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Now that Alex Smith has signed his contract, how will it affect the skins signings? And will these two kids get in camp ontime? I'm getting a little worried. No word on those guys at all...has anyone heard anything?....

I haven't heard anything and I am not worried one little bit.

1. Rogers probably wasn't going to start opening day even before the foot problem surfaced. Witness Sean Taylor last season.

2. We don't want Campbell to see the field this season. He is going to be the #3 and as the #3 the only way you get in the game is if #1 and 2 are injured. I don't think that scenario would bode well for us.

For those reason, I hope the team doesn't break the bank trying to sign them.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'm not worried, they will get signed and into camp. With Campbell not likely to contribute on the field, at least early on, and Rogers wearing a cast on his foot, there is little urgency.

Damn, we are on the same page on this one.

[LATrueRedskin]

Rich nailed it for me. I'm not worried at all.

***Knocking on wood***I'm more worried about making it thru TC healthy. Especially our OL.

Oh yeah. Nothing is worse than a TC injury. I'm not worried either because everybody waits for the first pick to sign. My only concern is that the Niners paid Smith so much money, we might have to end up paying these guys big money.

[The Iceman]

I think that with the fact that Rodgers hurt his foot right at the time he is to be signing his contract, that we would get a little bit knocked off the top. I mean the guy has yet to take a rep at TC, and already he is hurt. That should be a slight bargaining chip in contract negotiations. And as for Campbell, If he is two or three weeks late into camp, he would miss a whole load of material. I see Campbell being signed before TC. Gibbs wants all his QB's to be in the fold from day one.

[CapitalDefense]

Worried...no

Daniel will be stepping in if nothing develops soon. I certainly know that teams need to spend there money wisely ala New England. However, I think these guys should try and get every cent that they can while the getting is good. With a few excepting of course.....

[The Iceman]

Worried...no

Daniel will be stepping in if nothing develops soon. I certainly know that teams need to spend there money wisely ala New England. However, I think these guys should try and get every cent that they can while the getting is good. With a few excepting of course.....
NOOOOOOOOOOOO, that is the last thing I want to hear."Daniel will stepping in soon" that is like a phrase out of the cowboys bible. Every time Dannyboy steps in, we overpay, and get into cap trouble. Case in point.... the last 5 years. Noone overpays for less than desirable players like Dan Snyder.

[skinfan43]

Yeah, I'm a bit concerned after seeing what Smith got from the Niners. If Campbell's agent is smart, he'll pull the " Some draft experts had him ranked even higher than Smith OR Rodgers, both chosen before him" line - not good for the Skins $$$ situation. Carlos' deal will be the next completed, after White of course, IMO. Sure hope they get Campbell in on time, we need to see what he's got, right?

[whitskins]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO, that is the last thing I want to hear."Daniel will stepping in soon" that is like a phrase out of the cowboys bible. Every time Dannyboy steps in, we overpay, and get into cap trouble. Case in point.... the last 5 years. Noone overpays for less than desirable players like Dan Snyder.

Danny is still the chief negotiator for this team it's not a question of Danny stepping in soon, he is stepped in because that is his job. I'm sure the team as a whole sets the parameters for what they want to sign a guy for, but Danny is on the phone with the agents hammering it out.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

im not worried at all. i expect to hear any day now, that the skins have released gardner and/or barrow and signed our 1st rounders. i think both will be in on time and i can see campbell's contract being very similar to patrick ramsey's rookie contract with the incentive clauses and such.

[ConradCountry]

The Rogers contract is not that big of a deal until his foot is better.

I would like to see Campbell get signed right away because we don't know if he will not contribute, one injury to Ramsey and he is in so he needs to get his time.

[colkurtz]

Not worried at all. We have Barrows and Gardner money to make these deals.

Rodgers is hurt so no rush there.

I would like to see Campbell get signed so that he can gets reps right away and some play time in the pre-season. That may be all we see this season on him. Expectations will be high in the pre-season for him....................

[silverspring]

In my mind rogers is the rush not cambell. There is a very high chance Cambell will hold the clip board all season. While rogers should be receiving significant playing time by week 3 and he should be starting or at least playing a majority of games by midseason if he is as good as we hope. Of course this is pending that his injury is truly minor and of course he picks up the defense fast enough. I would want to give rogers every opportunity to be in pads the second his foot is ok.

[CowboyKilla]

Not too worried. We usually don't have to much trouble handing out lots of dough.

[bgforever]

Not too worried. We usually don't have to much trouble handing out lots of dough.


:lol1: Good one.

[akhhorus]

I don't agree with the sentiment that Campbell and Rodgers can miss some time because: rodgers is hurt and Campbell wont be counted on this year. I want them both in camp on time. The more and faster Campbell learns the offense, the better. The more Rodgers learns the defense(even from the sidelines) the better.

[redskin_rich]

I don't agree with the sentiment that Campbell and Rodgers can miss some time because: rodgers is hurt and Campbell wont be counted on this year. I want them both in camp on time. The more and faster Campbell learns the offense, the better. The more Rodgers learns the defense(even from the sidelines) the better.
I don't think it is so much a sentiment that they can miss time, it is more a thought that given the circumstances they and their agents should be willing to accept the money that they are slotted to make without a holdout.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Worried? Not much at all. I'm thinking that once Barrow gets released we'll be okay. I'm still holding out a little hope that Gardner will be traded somehow, though I doubt that'll happen. Either way there's still some time to get these guys signed. If anything Campbell needs to look at Ramsey's situation a few years ago and remember how much time Ramsey missed as he started camp as the #3 guy. Rookies, especially QBs, need to get into camp on time.

[ConradCountry]

Campbell may be counted on this year QBs rarely have the luxury of not playing with injuries and poor play something Ramsey and Brunell both suffer from Campbell oculd be under C sooner then ayone thinks.

[joethefan]

I want them both in camp on time. The more and faster Campbell learns the offense, the better. The more Rodgers learns the defense(even from the sidelines) the better.

That's how I feel...I would rather have them both here....so that the word holdout doesn't come into our minds.....

[skinfan43]

Campbell may be counted on this year QBs rarely have the luxury of not playing with injuries and poor play something Ramsey and Brunell both suffer from Campbell oculd be under C sooner then ayone thinks.
Why you gotta talk like that... no reality-check here, it's only preseason! ;)

[joethefan]

The WP says that Raiders CB Fabion Washington (23rd Pick) signed a 5 year 7.8 miilion dollar deal w a 5mil signing bonus....

Luis Castillo DT for San Diego (28th pick) signed for 5 years $7,035,000 deal including $4,664,000 of guarenteed money.

so that kinda tells us what kinda money Campbell will be looking for.

[redwolf1218]

get them both to camp on time. that's the best way to start their careers.

[joethefan]

get them both to camp on time. that's the best way to start their careers.

I agree....

[skinfan43]

The WP says that Raiders CB Fabion Washington (23rd Pick) signed a 5 year 7.8 miilion dollar deal w a 5mil signing bonus....

Luis Castillo DT for San Diego (28th pick) signed for 5 years $7,035,000 deal including $4,664,000 of guarenteed money.

so that kinda tells us what kinda money Campbell will be looking for.
I'm guessing around $7.5mil, w/a $4.8mil bonus, judging from the numbers you found, jtf.

[Redskin4Life]

I'm guessing around $7.5mil, w/a $4.8mil bonus, judging from the numbers you found, jtf.
I'm thinking $8mil w/ $5.1mil bonuses, incentives over 6 yrs...

[CNYSkinFan]

I am not worried ....yet. Both need to be in camp on time, but neither are expected to do anything more then lear during camp, Campbell because of Ramsey being the starter, and Rogers because of his injury.

I want them here but it is not as important as Taylor was last year.

[redwolf1218]

i'm amazed at all the people here who dont seem to care if our guys get to camp on time. just because Campbell is projected as a backup and Rogers twisted his ankle a month ago doesnt mean we dont need them on the team from the very beginning. Rogers might be better than Walt Harris, Garnell Wilds, or Artrell Hawkins. Campbell could be called upon to play at any time.

[Redskin-4-life]

i'm amazed at all the people here who dont seem to care if our guys get to camp on time. just because Campbell is projected as a backup and Rogers twisted his ankle a month ago doesnt mean we dont need them on the team from the very beginning. Rogers might be better than Walt Harris, Garnell Wilds, or Artrell Hawkins. Campbell could be called upon to play at any time.

I agree!

[skins74]

Are they taking their time with Rogers contract because he is injured and they want to see how he heals?

[PA Skins Girl]

I doubt they will both be there on time.

The only way they both get to camp on time is:

a) Gardner is released or traded in the next 2-3 days or
b) Barrow is released, traded or agrees to a pay cut in the next 2-3 days.

The Skins may not be willing to release either guy before camp so they may let Rogers or Campbell (or both) flounder for a week or so. And, given the circumstances, I dont see a huge detriment to them or the team if they miss some camp time.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Yeah, I guess these guys are going to have to take what is left. We only got so much money so their contracts are going to be set up with leverage and incentives set up for future seasons. At least I think. They will be in camp.

[skinfan43]

I'm thinking $8mil w/ $5.1mil bonuses, incentives over 6 yrs...
I was initially thinking that it would be around those numbers too, but Fabian Washington went 2 spots sooner (#23) than Campbell and got $7.8 w/a $5mil bonus, so I assumed that Campbell would garner a bit less, due to being picked at #25.

[redwolf1218]

Are they taking their time with Rogers contract because he is injured and they want to see how he heals?
i think it's more because they were waiting for the other 1st round picks to start getting signed, and because we dont have much cap room.

[silverspring]

I'm thinking $8mil w/ $5.1mil bonuses, incentives over 6 yrs...

we might have to quickly cut barrow, gardner and more to afford those kinds of numbers for both of our guys.

[BurgundyNGold]

we might have to quickly cut barrow, gardner and more to afford those kinds of numbers for both of our guys.
I'd start with Barrow and Raymer. That'll get us a good chunk of change to work with.

[silverspring]

I'd start with Barrow and Raymer. That'll get us a good chunk of change to work with.

I forgot about Raymer. Maybe friedman too, but i doubt it. What other possibilities are there for cuts?

[redwolf1218]

Sellers, Rock, Royal...

[redskin_rich]

Sellers, Rock, Royal...
Why would you say Royal? He is the only TE with experience that we have unless we moved Cooley to TE.
BTW, Royal is a better player than some here think.

[redwolf1218]

Why would you say Royal? He is the only TE with experience that we have unless we moved Cooley to TE.
BTW, Royal is a better player than some here think.
i just said it because he has the highest cap hit of any TE or Hback on the roster.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Why would you say Royal? He is the only TE with experience that we have unless we moved Cooley to TE.
BTW, Royal is a better player than some here think.

I think that is a key question, what is going to happen with Cooley. Will stay at HBack or do they move him to TE. Even if they do, I still think Royal stays as a blocking TE, as he is better at it than Cooley.

I also think Sellers stays for H back and special teams.

Rock on the other hand.....

[redskin_rich]

I think that is a key question, what is going to happen with Cooley. Will stay at HBack or do they move him to TE. Even if they do, I still think Royal stays as a blocking TE, as he is better at it than Cooley.

I also think Sellers stays for H back and special teams.

Rock on the other hand.....
I think Cooley stays at H-Back and White backs him up.
Sellers and Rock are gone IMO, with White replacing Sellers at 2nd H-Back and Nemo taking the 3rd TB spot from Rock.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I think Cooley stays at H-Back and White backs him up.
Sellers and Rock are gone IMO, with White replacing Sellers at 2nd H-Back and Nemo taking the 3rd TB spot from Rock.

So what do you see happening at TE? Royal and one of the undrafted FA's?

Personally, I think keeping Cooley at H back limits the routes he can run, as opposed to lining him up at TE. I think he could get into the seam better as a TE, thus drawing safety coverage away from Patten and Moss on the outside.

[redskin_rich]

So what do you see happening at TE? Royal and one of the undrafted FA's?

Personally, I think keeping Cooley at H back limits the routes he can run, as opposed to lining him up at TE. I think he could get into the seam better as a TE, thus drawing safety coverage away from Patten and Moss on the outside.
Yep, Royal and one or two of the FA's.

I don't understand why at H-Back the same routes can't be run as at TE. The H-Back can line up anywhere as long as he is off the LOS. And Gibbs puts him in motion all the time and that directly affects the Safety and his coverage.

[BurgundyNGold]

So what do you see happening at TE? Royal and one of the undrafted FA's?

Personally, I think keeping Cooley at H back limits the routes he can run, as opposed to lining him up at TE. I think he could get into the seam better as a TE, thus drawing safety coverage away from Patten and Moss on the outside.
I don't know about moving Cooley to TE. Perhaps he looks so good at HB because of the mismatches that his size and speed creates against the MLB. If he moves to TE, he'll be covered by the often faster SLB or the S. Since we don't know if he's a natural at TE, that might actually hurt his performance. Just a thought.

[silverspring]

We already had the Royal debate. He was super productive when used, jg loves TEs i can't imagine letting him go.

I would like to show McCants the door, with dyson being here.

[BurgundyNGold]

We already had the Royal debate. He was super productive when used, jg loves TEs i can't imagine letting him go.

I would like to show McCants the door, with dyson being here.
You might very well get your wish. IMO, TC will determine which of these guys are gone.

To be honest, I've always maintained that DMAC could be a very good WR. However, if he doesn't do it this year, then I say cut him. We need to have the best players on the roster.

[silverspring]

You might very well get your wish. IMO, TC will determine which of these guys are gone.

To be honest, I've always maintained that DMAC could be a very good WR. However, if he doesn't do it this year, then I say cut him. We need to have the best players on the roster.

Yeah, i just figure gibbs has kind of cleaned house in the wr corps, and DMAC has serious attitude problems, so if we are going to start with a clean slate he seems like and obvious throw out and i think we owe him some significant money this year.

[FanFromArizona]

we might have to quickly cut barrow, gardner and more to afford those kinds of numbers for both of our guys.

Well I think we just got some with the release of Gardner, I am hoping we can get Barrow to restructure to get further cap savings and our 1st round picks signed before TC starts.

[bwparker]

I doubt they will both be there on time.

The only way they both get to camp on time is:

a) Gardner is released or traded in the next 2-3 days or
b) Barrow is released, traded or agrees to a pay cut in the next 2-3 days.

The Skins may not be willing to release either guy before camp so they may let Rogers or Campbell (or both) flounder for a week or so. And, given the circumstances, I dont see a huge detriment to them or the team if they miss some camp time.

At the current rate we may have BOTH of those conditions met:D

[joethefan]

i'm amazed at all the people here who dont seem to care if our guys get to camp on time. just because Campbell is projected as a backup and Rogers twisted his ankle a month ago doesnt mean we dont need them on the team from the very beginning. Rogers might be better than Walt Harris, Garnell Wilds, or Artrell Hawkins. Campbell could be called upon to play at any time.


That's a little shocking to me....maybe they want Ram to get a big head start, on campbell giving ramsey the edge...hehehe...I had to sneak that one in there...

[redwolf1218]

That's a little shocking to me....maybe they want Ram to get a big head start, on campbell giving ramsey the edge...hehehe...I had to sneak that one in there...
shocking to me too. i've never heard a coach say he didnt think it was important to get a guy into camp on time. that's ridiculous, IMO.

[redskin_rich]

I'm not going to get into this strawman argument as I don't recall anybody here posting that they didn't care if these guys miss time in camp.

With the Gardner trade done and the cap room now available, I expect both of these signings to happen over the next 48 hours and I'm not worried.

[redwolf1218]

I'm not going to get into this strawman argument as I don't recall anybody here posting that they didn't care if these guys miss time in camp.

With the Gardner trade done and the cap room now available, I expect both of these signings to happen over the next 48 hours and I'm not worried.
If you read thru this thread you'll see a lot of people saying they dont think it matters if they miss a week or so. reasons stated as because Campbell is not supposed to start anyway, and Rogers hurt his ankle, so it doesnt matter.

i agree with you, now that there's cap room, i think they'll get signed. Vinny commented on it today in the paper:

The Redskins, who report to training camp Sunday, will spend the duration of this week trying to get Rogers and Campbell signed, and there is ample time to do so.

"I don't think we're close on either one right now," Cerrato said. "But I think both agents want to see what kind of deals the guys picked around them get first."

Campbell, a native of Taylorsville, Miss., who played at Auburn, said he had no indication that a deal was close, but he has moved back to his apartment in Virginia and wants to get on the field as soon as possible.

"I'm just going to let everything work itself out," Campbell said during a phone interview yesterday. "That's what I hired an agent to do, to get the best deal he can get for me. So right now I'm just working out, working really hard to stay in shape and I hope it gets done soon."

Segal, who represents Campbell as well, said he and the Redskins have not scheduled any face-to-face negotiations, but held preliminary contract talks recently. "We've had a few conversations and we're trying to move towards an agreement," Segal said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/27/AR2005072702001.html

[redskin_rich]

So they both have the same agent, that should speed things up some.

[MWballer]

I think their agent is waiting to see what type of contracts Rolle and Rogers(Aaron) get since both of them were drafted one selection in front of them and both play the same position as them their contracts should be similar.

[akhhorus]

I think their agent is waiting to see what type of contracts Rolle and Rogers(Aaron) get since both of them were drafted one selection in front of them and both play the same position as them their contracts should be similar.

I think you nailed it, I believe that as soon as Rolle and Aaron Rodgers sign, you'll see Rogers and Campbell sign very quickly.

[The Skinsinator]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cc-quarterbacks072905&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Very good praise of Campbell near the middle of the article. Suggests he may be turn out just as good or even better than Alex Smith.

[akhhorus]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cc-quarterbacks072905&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Very good praise of Campbell near the middle of the article. Suggests he may be turn out just as good or even better than Alex Smith.

Well, Smith has a weaker arm than Campbell and isnt as accurate. On top of that. He played in a gimmick offense against substandard competition(Yes, he crushed Pittsburgh, but FURMAN took Pittsburgh to OT last year). Campbell doesn't have great arm strength, but is extremely accurate-and he played a very tough schedule and in a pro style offense. I thought Campbell was a better prospect than both Smith and Rodgers.

[dj_stouty]

Tic Toc....Tic Toc...

http://www.ebizenterprise.com/ProductImages/neon/nflneonclocks/ds029nc-med.jpg

[lionel]

Campbell doesn't have great arm strength, but is extremely accurate-and he played a very tough schedule and in a pro style offense. I thought Campbell was a better prospect than both Smith and Rodgers.

Akhhorus, I like to read your post a lot. What do you regard as "great arm strength"? I read somewhere that Campbell can stand at 30 yard line and launch the rocket into opposite end zone. That's 70 yard thrown by just standing there. Does that qualify as great arm strength?

[akhhorus]

Akhhorus, I like to read your post a lot. What do you regard as "great arm strength"? I read somewhere that Campbell can stand at 30 yard line and launch the rocket into opposite end zone. That's 70 yard thrown by just standing there. Does that qualify as great arm strength?

Just because he can throw it far doesn't mean he has "great arm strength"(I'm sure Brunell could throw it 70-80 yards). Great arm strength not only means you can throw it far, but it gets there quickly. Danny Weurffel threw tons of deep bombs at Florida, but because he didn't have arm strength-in the pros, those were just slow lobs that were easy to defend. A "strong" QB can get it down the field quickly-just being able to throw it a long ways doesn't mean you have arm strength.

[redskin_rich]

Tomorrow is report day, camp starts on Monday. We have about 18 hours left to get these guys signed and in on time.
I think both get done tomorrow. What do you all think?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Tomorrow is report day, camp starts on Monday. We have about 18 hours left to get these guys signed and in on time.
I think both get done tomorrow. What do you all think?
i say tomorrow evening, very early monday at the latest. i dont think they'll give us much trouble as far as holding out goes.

let make a pool out of this. eeveryone needs to pick a day and time when the signings get reported. best guess gets bragging rights. :)

i say both get signings get reported by 10:00pm tomorrow.

[redskin_rich]

let make a pool out of this. eeveryone needs to pick a day and time when the signings get reported. best guess gets bragging rights. :)

i say both get signings get reported by 10:00pm tomorrow.
I'm in Rach, I say we get the report for both at 5:15pm tomorrow[Sunday].

[COUNCILMAN]

Campbell won't be playing for several years so what the worry? I don't get it.

Rogers has a broken bone in his foot and a bruised bone that may or may not heal properly. Lets not repeat the Michael Barrow experience and sign someone to a huge contract only to be paying them to rehab and work out and in the end find out that they won't be 100%.

Considering Rogers was injured while working out ON HIS OWN, I would wait and put him through a workout before I payed big dollars in a long term contract. But hey, that's just me. I'm sure the Skins know more than I do. I'm sure there's a good reason we are paying Coles $12 million dollars to play in a New York Jets uniform this year. I'm sure sure there's a good reason we payed Deion Sanders $8 million dollars to retire and be an announcer. And I'm sure there's a good reason we are paying Mark Brunell all that money to NOT throw the football.

Actually....I think its a GREAT idea to pay Brunell to NOT throw the football.

[whitskins]

Aaron Rodgers signed with the Packers today, I think Campbell definitely gets done before the first practice. Carlos, I am less optimistic about.

[bgforever]

i say tomorrow evening, very early monday at the latest. i dont think they'll give us much trouble as far as holding out goes.

let make a pool out of this. eeveryone needs to pick a day and time when the signings get reported. best guess gets bragging rights. :)

i say both get signings get reported by 10:00pm tomorrow.


Sunday evening agreement reached, with details worked on Monday and signing in the afternoon or Tuesday morning on Campbell.

Rogers follows near Thurs.

[danny's stogie]

Rodgers signed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2120859

Financial details not immediately available.

We'll probably see Campbell signed pretty soon. Hope he's ready to meet a roll of duct tape and the goal post.

[COUNCILMAN]

Aaron Rodgers signed with the Packers today, I think Campbell definitely gets done before the first practice. Carlos, I am less optimistic about.

The number 24 pick has been signed. And now the number 27 pick has been signed also...Roddy White. There is nuothing left to negotiate for number's 25 and 26. Since Campbell is #26....he should be at Redskins practice on Monday or the Redskins front office should pack a suitcase and fire themselves.

[smoot]

The number 24 pick has been signed. And now the number 27 pick has been signed also...Roddy White. There is nuothing left to negotiate for number's 25 and 26. Since Campbell is #26....he should be at Redskins practice on Monday or the Redskins front office should pack a suitcase and fire themselves.
capbell was 25 so all he has to do is look at rogers and take a little off it

[redskin_rich]

i say tomorrow evening, very early monday at the latest. i dont think they'll give us much trouble as far as holding out goes.

let make a pool out of this. eeveryone needs to pick a day and time when the signings get reported. best guess gets bragging rights. :)

i say both get signings get reported by 10:00pm tomorrow.
I'm in Rach, I say we get the report for both at 5:15pm tomorrow[Sunday].
Well Lady, we were both wrong.

My next prediction is Campbell gets signed by tomorrow afternoon and I don't know about Rogers. The agent wants to wait for Pac Man and Rolle to sign and that is not good for us. Tennessee is being ultra conservative with Wac Man (which they should) and Arizona is...well...Arizona.
I say Rogers gets signed on Friday.

[MWballer]

Mike Williams signed with the Lions today that should have some effect on Rogers deal

[skinfan43]

I'm getting a bit antsy about the both of them, hopefully the next few days will cure me of my ants.

[dj_stouty]

Campbell will be a tough signing. (Just like the Ramsey signing was tough) The problem isn't how much the contract should be. (That has already been decided by the guys drafted above and below him. The problem is the wording and stipulations of the contract. Campbell isn't the starter this year...and it is not clear if ever will be, so I'm guessing the Redskins have instituted a lot of escalators into his contract based on playing time. Campbell's agent will want more salary $ and guaranteed signign bonus and LESS incentives and escalators.

I think the Campbell signing will take at least another week or so...

[whitskins]

Campbell will be a tough signing. (Just like the Ramsey signing was tough) The problem isn't how much the contract should be. (That has already been decided by the guys drafted above and below him. The problem is the wording and stipulations of the contract. Campbell isn't the starter this year...and it is not clear if ever will be, so I'm guessing the Redskins have instituted a lot of escalators into his contract based on playing time. Campbell's agent will want more salary $ and guaranteed signign bonus and LESS incentives and escalators.

I think the Campbell signing will take at least another week or so...

I think Gibbs has been saying that they're very close on JC's contract and I even heard rumblings that it could have gotten done in time for Campbell to play in the afternoon practice, but of course it did not. I don't like to assume we're so close on guy's deals though cause it seems like we're always hearing that and then the next thing you know camp is halfway over.

[dj_stouty]

Campbell will be a tough signing. (Just like the Ramsey signing was tough) The problem isn't how much the contract should be. (That has already been decided by the guys drafted above and below him. The problem is the wording and stipulations of the contract. Campbell isn't the starter this year...and it is not clear if ever will be, so I'm guessing the Redskins have instituted a lot of escalators into his contract based on playing time. Campbell's agent will want more salary $ and guaranteed signign bonus and LESS incentives and escalators.

I think the Campbell signing will take at least another week or so...

Glad I was proved wrong on this!

Can't wait to see #17 on the field during camp...

[Redskinmayhem]

Can't wait to see #17 on the field during camp...

I know me either!!! I just can't help but think of 35pt 2nd quarters and superbowls when I see the #17!!!!!

[smoak]

Glad I was proved wrong on this!

Can't wait to see #17 on the field during camp...

Amen!

Looking forward to both players contributing and being core Redskins. Hopefully that happens.

[IowaSkinsFan]

So, should we amend the title of this thread to just read "Rogers" now?

[IowaSkinsFan]

Mike Williams signed with the Lions today that should have some effect on Rogers deal

I think it will have far less impact than the impending deals of Pac Man and Rolle.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Well Lady, we were both wrong.

My next prediction is Campbell gets signed by tomorrow afternoon and I don't know about Rogers. The agent wants to wait for Pac Man and Rolle to sign and that is not good for us. Tennessee is being ultra conservative with Wac Man (which they should) and Arizona is...well...Arizona.
I say Rogers gets signed on Friday.
yes we were, but i dont even care. both guys are signed and ready to go on day 2. thats good enough for me. :)

[IowaSkinsFan]

Rogers and Campbell are now officially both in the fold.

[redskin_rich]

Rogers and Campbell are now officially both in the fold.
No worries. :)

[redwolf1218]

So, should we amend the title of this thread to just read "Rogers" now?
maybe it should be amended to say your last quote:

Rogers and Campbell are now officially both in the fold.

smooth transaction, great to have these deals done with no spotlight, no fuss, no mess.

[IowaSkinsFan]

maybe it should be amended to say your last quote:

Rogers and Campbell are now officially both in the fold.

smooth transaction, great to have these deals done with no spotlight, no fuss, no mess.

Yeah, I am thinking about shutting down this thread for that very reason.

[redwolf1218]

Yeah, I am thinking about shutting down this thread for that very reason.
True... i noticed we do have individual threads now on the signing of each of our prized rookies.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I did amend the thread title for a little more optimism.

[redwolf1218]

it's cool we signed these 2 guys from the same school, at the same time, with the same agent, for the same contract length.

[IowaSkinsFan]

it's cool we signed these 2 guys from the same school, at the same time, with the same agent, for the same contract length.

Did I read the reports wrong, or is Campbell's overall contract value higher than Rogers? I thought I saw $20 million compared to $14 million.

[redwolf1218]

Did I read the reports wrong, or is Campbell's overall contract value higher than Rogers? I thought I saw $20 million compared to $14 million.
no, you read it correctly. i commented on it earlier because it caught me off-guard. the maximum is higher in Campbells but someone explained it's probably due to escalators which Campbell probably wont reach, but it's built in so if he starts, he gets paid like a starter, rather than having to create a new contract. strange though, since they are so far apart in the first round, and they have the same agent.

[BIGSEF3]

no, you read it correctly. i commented on it earlier because it caught me off-guard. the maximum is higher in Campbells but someone explained it's probably due to escalators which Campbell probably wont reach, but it's built in so if he starts, he gets paid like a starter, rather than having to create a new contract. strange though, since they are so far apart in the first round, and they have the same agent.

Yeah, it is very strange. with the exception of guys like vick and manning, a top corner in this league is going to get paid more than a starting quarterback. i can't fathom how a corner picked in the top 10 of the draft is making so little money, compared to a quarterback taken in the bottom of the 1st round. And it also seems that rogers will theoretically make signifigantly less than taylor. sure, taylor was a top 5 pick, but hes "just" a safety. rogers is a cornerback and taken a year later, when there should be some additional "inflation."

In any case, I am very happy with both their contracts. They both have very reasonable, modest amounts of garaunteed money, so if we should ever have to cut or trade either of them, it shouldnt be too difficult.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Well, Smith has a weaker arm than Campbell and isnt as accurate. On top of that. He played in a gimmick offense against substandard competition(Yes, he crushed Pittsburgh, but FURMAN took Pittsburgh to OT last year). Campbell doesn't have great arm strength, but is extremely accurate-and he played a very tough schedule and in a pro style offense. I thought Campbell was a better prospect than both Smith and Rodgers.

Mike Mayock of NFL Network said before the draft that Campbell can make all the throws, which I took to mean that he has good, if not great arm strength. But at any rate, I saw an article today that was signing Alex Smith's praises from forty whiners camps talking about how accurate he has been and how strong his arm was. I had to check to make sure they were talking about the same QB they drafted in April.

[redwolf1218]

Mike Mayock of NFL Network said before the draft that Campbell can make all the throws, which I took to mean that he has good, if not great arm strength. But at any rate, I saw an article today that was signing Alex Smith's praises from forty whiners camps talking about how accurate he has been and how strong his arm was. I had to check to make sure they were talking about the same QB they drafted in April.
i'm glad they took him and left Campbell for us.