ESPN Insider: Patten on Ramsey[co-skinfan43]

[redskin_rich]

Redskins WR David Patten, telling PFW the differences he has noticed so far between Tom Brady and Patrick Ramsey: "[Ramsey] has all the capabilities. It's just a matter of him taking hold of them. I was telling Pat, when I see him, I see Tom Brady four or five years ago. Pat has that same command; he takes charge of the huddle. Tom just has that knack; he can make any throw. Patrick has such a strong arm. It's just going to come down to him developing that touch."
Skinfan43 wanted to discuss this, so have at it.

Sounds good to me, I hope Ramsey can have the same success as Brady. It sounds like Rams still needs to work on his touch though.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/news...d=2115798&num=0

[whitskins]

Ramsey has a month and a half to develop that touch or we're going to miss out on a lot of big plays. Patrick clearly has all the potential in the world, but let's see that translated on the field.

[skinfan43]

It's interesting to me due to the fact that Patten isn't a really outspoken guy, plus he's caught many balls from Brady over the years. Patten doesn't have any need to blow smoke - For Ramsey to remind him of a 3-time SB champ, combined with what has been reported from OTA's about Ramsey's touch being much improved, it makes me hope for the same chemistry the NE receivers have w/Brady, just here in DC instead.
Hopefully, now that we have receivers that can actually SEPERATE and give the QB more space to locate, then hit his target, Ramsey will put up the numbers to match his seemingly renewed confidence we've heard him (and his players & coaching staff) talking about.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

developing that touch and getting the ball out quicker have been a couple of the top parts of pat's game that he needs to correct to take that next step. i cant wait to see how far he has come when TC starts.

btw-skinfan43....eventhough you cant post threads yet, you have been on a roll lately.:)

[CarMike]

skinsfan43, is that article paid material? If so i'm going to have to be a party pooper and remove it.

hailRedskins.com can get into a lot of trouble distributing paid material.

Please let me know if they're running some kind of special this week or you did pay to see it.

Thanks and sorry. But I have to follow rules of copy right material.

Mike.

[skinfan43]

developing that touch and getting the ball out quicker have been a couple of the top parts of pat's game that he needs to correct to take that next step. i cant wait to see how far he has come when TC starts.

btw-skinfan43....eventhough you cant post threads yet, you have been on a roll lately.:)

Yes, ma'am, I know there's a bunch of you savvy veterans up on here - I'm just a rook trying to make the roster ;)

[IMALILTEAPOT]

not only does ramsey have to work on his touch, he also has to work on his pocket presence and his poise in the pocket. whenever he drops back to throw, it always seems like hes hesitant and he starts doing that arm fake thing(I dont know how to explain it, its like hes churning butter with the football, yall know what i mean). he needs to become a lot more confident if hes ever gonna be mentioned in the same sentence as brady

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

not only does ramsey have to work on his touch, he also has to work on his pocket presence and his poise in the pocket. whenever he drops back to throw, it always seems like hes hesitant and he starts doing that arm fake thing(I dont know how to explain it, its like hes churning butter with the football, yall know what i mean). he needs to become a lot more confident if hes ever gonna be mentioned in the same sentence as brady
:lol1: thats a pretty good explanation youngskin....you are right though. i think with another year in this system, we will see a much more confident ramsey in the huddle.

[LATrueRedskin]

I've seen Ramsey drill a ball to a Fullback out of the backfield with the same touch he uses on a pass across the middle. Touch has been something he really needs to work on, and he was better last year. He needs to continue to work.

[CarMike]

It has been confirmed that its a free article from ProFootballWeekly. ESPN Insiders linked to it.

So please don't remove.

Mike.

Back to your viewing pleasure. :D

[28Zcomeback]

It takes a QB 4-5 seasons to mature in this league, I don't care what people say.

[Patrick]

It takes a QB 4-5 seasons to mature in this league, I don't care what people say.


Hmmmmmmmm ................... Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Ben Roethlisberger ALL did pretty darn good their second season in .... Well, except Big Ben and WE ALL know what he did as a rookie. They all looked pretty mature to me. ...... BUT that's not to say then don't progress even further as I believe your are refering too.

[bgforever]

It takes a QB 4-5 seasons to mature in this league, I don't care what people say.

Yep, unless those QB's are big on plays early on and used immediately (Marino, Williams, Manning, Elway, Esaison, Bradshaw, Aikman, McNabb, McNair) that is so true. Even those mentioned had at least 2 years of an average season or less in their first two seasons, with them being thrown in the fire early. Roth's an enigma and was used like Manning with better results.

Patrick got a taste, but from the wrong scenario and a coach (SS) NOT capable of handling the NFL level of play consistantly. So numbers suggest 2006 is his most likely year for the coming out party. We mustn't expect too much from the offense because of this, but we do expect marked improvement across the board nevertheless. Especially from the WR's, RB and OLine. That would bode well no matter who QB's, because the HEAD Coach is still JOE GIBBS :)

[IowaSkinsFan]

Skinfan43 wanted to discuss this, so have at it.

Sounds good to me, I hope Ramsey can have the same success as Brady. It sounds like Rams still needs to work on his touch though.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/news...d=2115798&num=0

I think Patten is working on developing Ramsey's confidence. He knows this season's potential success depends on what Ramsey does on the field. Patrick is a long, long way away from being anything close to what Tom Brady is, even at the start of his (Brady's) incredible run.

[bgforever]

I watched Ramsey's footwork, selling the play and his ratio of decisions compared to before when in those last 5 games. I harped on those last 5 games and NFL Films chimed in later with the same stats, observations (no secret to us Skins fans :) ). He improved where Gibbs thought he needed it the most to get some type of production, experience and feel for his personnel.

This year, having Graves spending far more time and intensive 1 on 1's, by virtue of being the starting QB, it was FATE, that MB wasn't the recepient of this and that it was being used where it was needed most, along with taking what he could from MB. MB may not be the coaching kind and it showed, because Graves was brought in to clear up confusion and get some improvement on the O and QB. MB says things that backfire sometimes and that showed too. Graves knows MB's tendencies and will steer Patrick clear of those faults.

[Redskin-4-life]

It obvious that Patrick has talent, but his main problem I think are mental break downs. I think it's was a great move to bring in a veteran like Patten to encourage Patrick and give him pointers he got while working with Brady.

[bgforever]

It obvious that Patrick has talent, but his main problem I think are mental break downs. I think it's was a great move to bring in a veteran like Patten to encourage Patrick and give him pointers he got while working with Brady.


Redskin-4-life, thanks for bringing me back to the focus of "who" the subject should actually be about, aside from Ramsey.

Patten's looked in his (Patrick's) eyes and knows he has to light a fire with this guy sooner than some may think. Patten's used to a level of play that Gibbs and Buges knows all too well. Patrick will need confidence boosters often, because the vice grips get tighter and tighter as the weeks go by and the only sedative is success.

[GibbsRules!]

I like that Patten is comparing his presence to Tom Brady. Has to make Rams feel good hearing that from him. If he can develop that touch on the short routes the O will click for some long drives this year. Brady always seems to make that conversion on 3rd and short to medium with a nice touch pass.

I'm not expecting incredible #'s this year, but I would like to see an improvement in decision making. Especially in not trying to force a pass in tight coverage situations. Just a little more composure will translate into an improved QB Rating for Rams.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Honestly this is much of the same that we've been hearing about Ramsey this offseason. No big news here. I can only hope that once he starts playing against our opponents that we can see a change for the better too.

[joethefan]

Once again I will say this..I don't wanna hear any excuses for the man this year..if he cannot get it done...bring on the youngin'.....and lets start that process.

4 or five years ago....we don't have that kinda time...do we?

I am a bit worried about his mental decisions. I hope he can overcome them.

Gibbs has given Patrick everything he needs to be successful. Now lets get it done.

[redwolf1218]

Patrick needs to develop that "touch". i'd like to see some signs that he can anticipate the route, the coverage, throw it earlier, and put some air under it. lay it up there to the open area and let the fast guys run under it.

The other thing i'd like to see from him is to just throw it away out of bounds once in a while. i know that probably sounds stupid, but he hardly ever throws it away. if nothing's there, he'll force something stupid, or take a sack and lose 10 yards. throw it away and live to fight another day.

Another thing, which i remember most from Joe Theisman, is when the play is over, immediately start thinking about the next play, yelling at the guys, getting them back to the huddle right away. that'll help clock management. no time to celebrate a good play in the middle of a drive. no reason to act surprised, just act like you've been there before. nothing is worse than following up a nice first down with a delay of game or some other stupid penalty.

To me "touch" shows experience...anticipation, reading defenses, knowing routes, etc. Throwing it away shows maturity. Command in the huddle and clock management shows leadership. i think he already has the physical gifts, but these are the intangibles he needs.

[Redskin-4-life]

I think Patrick will have a break out season this year, he really won't have any excuses this year. I saying that, this is definitly his make or break season. If he flounders again this year, JC maybe the only one of the three QBs back for next season.

[BurgundyNGold]

I watched Ramsey's footwork, selling the play and his ratio of decisions compared to before when in those last 5 games. I harped on those last 5 games and NFL Films chimed in later with the same stats, observations (no secret to us Skins fans :) ). He improved where Gibbs thought he needed it the most to get some type of production, experience and feel for his personnel.

This year, having Graves spending far more time and intensive 1 on 1's, by virtue of being the starting QB, it was FATE, that MB wasn't the recepient of this and that it was being used where it was needed most, along with taking what he could from MB. MB may not be the coaching kind and it showed, because Graves was brought in to clear up confusion and get some improvement on the O and QB. MB says things that backfire sometimes and that showed too. Graves knows MB's tendencies and will steer Patrick clear of those faults.
By Graves, you mean Musgrave, right? Yeah, I think he'll make a huge difference. Plus, Brunell (MB) shouldn't even be in the equation. With any luck, this will be his easiest year as a pro QB ever... as a backup.

[skins74]

We have been hearing the same things since Ramsey has been here. I guess that means we are still in the same boat. But our past receivers never really got any good separation so maybe with these speed demons we have a good shot at some big plays. The line will perform better barring injuries and Gibbs' play calling should be better. Its all up to Patty and I believe this year he will show to be much improved. I am ready for some football!

[whistleandthumb]

I don't know what to make of this. Obviously, as a fan and supporter of our starting QB, I love hearing good news (I guess?) from the WR's. However, I would expect any player from our team to say mostly positive things about another player. Obviously, Patten isn't going to say, "Man, Patrick Ramsey really sucks. He couldn't hit the side of barn if he stood an inch in front of it!!" If Patten was to compare Ramsey to anyone, it would have to be a QB that he's familiar with, and the best comparison to make is to the best QB in the game, which is Tom Brady. It's nice to hear, but I'm not sure I'd put a whole lot of weight behind it.

Speaking of weight, if Fatsquerelli comes back from our camp and talks about how good Ram looks, THEN I'll be impressed. Otherwise, I just have to wait and see it on the field in the preseason games.

[BigCountry]

It's all good news but an answer will come no sooner then 9/11. What was Patten gonna do, compare him with Cliff Kingsbury?

[redwolf1218]

it's still good to hear an objective opinion, like this one coming from Patten. of course he compares Ramsey to Brady. i like to hear that kind of comparison. i'd like to hear Moss compare him to Pennington, and Dyson compare him to McNair too.

he did at least offer this criticism:

It's just going to come down to him developing that touch.

so at least it was not all rose-colored-glasses stuff.

[Brokenstriker]

I want to be optimistic ... but I need some help ... can anyone name one success story of an NFL QB who entered the league without touch who developed touch after he was in the big league?

[skinfanjon]

I want to be optimistic ... but I need some help ... can anyone name one success story of an NFL QB who entered the league without touch who developed touch after he was in the big league?

John Elway

[redwolf1218]

I want to be optimistic ... but I need some help ... can anyone name one success story of an NFL QB who entered the league without touch who developed touch after he was in the big league?
Joe Gibbs said almost exactly that about Doug Williams. he said something like, when he started out, he wanted to throw it through a wall every time. he developed a beautiful high arching touch pass even on the really deep patterns.

[Brokenstriker]

fair enough ... i didnt really think that it was realistic to expect Ramsey to develop "touch" all of a sudden after probably 17 years or so of playing QB.