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PennSkinsFan
08-03-2005, 11:09 AM
Return specialist Antonio Brown continues to make an impression as a wide receiver and could be featured in some packages on offense, Gibbs said. The speedster is also the front-runner to return punts, with wide receiver Santana Moss, who actually beat him in a college track meet, spelling him at times.

"It's an open challenge," Brown said, "and I'm looking forward to the challenge." . . . Safety Sean Taylor, who disappointed the coaches with his offseason antics including a felony arrest, had the trainers tell Williams he weighed in at 246 pounds to invoke his wrath, when he was actually in outstanding shape at 232 pounds. "He got a good joke in," Williams said, adding a cautionary. "I'll remember it." . . . Wide receiver James Thrash, who missed the opening day of camp because of the death of his father, was back on the field yesterday. . . . Redskins Hall of Fame quarterback and radio announcer Sonny Jurgensen made the most of the afternoon by tooling around the parking lot at Redskins Park on his Segway. Jurgensen said he has mastered the elementary parts of the personal transportation device but, "I'm still trying to figure out what some of these buttons do." . . . The Redskins, already short on two-a-day sessions, have changed tomorrow's schedule to one afternoon practice, canceling the morning practice. . . . Parking lots and gates at Redskins Park will open at 6 a.m. Friday for Fan Day. Gibbs will address fans at 8:15, with a two-hour practice scheduled 15 minutes later and autograph sessions planned following practice.



from the Post. Redskins.com also did a story on his presence and stir he is making by working hard. Our very own JoeDaSchmoe has kept us informed of McCants and the unimpressive nature he has been practicing. Could Brown play well enough tto oust both Dyson and McCants? I am not talking as specilist, i am takling as getting receptions.

dj_stouty
08-03-2005, 11:17 AM
Could Brown play well enough tto oust both Dyson and McCants? I am not talking as specilist, i am takling as getting receptions.

Certainly. If DMC isn't practicing at 110%...and Dyson keeps acting like a Gardner clone and drops balls at will, then I could see some room for Brown.

Moss, Patten, Jacobs, Thrash, Brown...?

redskin_rich
08-03-2005, 11:17 AM
Its sure sounding as if he will not just make the team but be included in some 3 wide sets.
He is small but that won't matter if he smokes the coverage.

JoeDaSchmoe
08-03-2005, 11:19 AM
Believe me, I'll be writing a lot about Brown today.

He looks good. I mean, really good. If he were Ron Burgundy, he might be yelling for everyone to come see how good he looks.

WorldBFree76
08-03-2005, 11:21 AM
That's great to hear...although the team will look quite short at the WR position (if he beats out McCants and Dyson)

skinfan43
08-03-2005, 11:23 AM
Certainly. If DMC isn't practicing at 110%...and Dyson keeps acting like a Gardner clone and drops balls at will, then I could see some room for Brown.

Moss, Patten, Jacobs, Thrash, Brown...?
If it DOES become those five, expect Cooley, Royal, and White to get a mess of catches between as the only "big targets" left on the team... Cooley especially, no matter who stays, IMO.

The 6th Dirtbag
08-03-2005, 11:24 AM
Dude, I just don't see him being a force at WR. Sure, he will be a standout on ST, but I don't see him bumping Dyson or McCants because they are our tallest receivers. Patten, Moss, and Antonio would be too small as a unit. But yeah, I like the guy.

bwparker
08-03-2005, 11:25 AM
Believe me, I'll be writing a lot about Brown today.

He looks good. I mean, really good. If he were Ron Burgundy, he might be yelling for everyone to come see how good he looks.
The arsonist has oddly shaped feet.

The human torch was denied a bank loan.

JoeDaSchmoe
08-03-2005, 11:26 AM
The arsonist has oddly shaped feet.

The human torch was denied a bank loan.

I love scotch. Scotchy scotch scotch. Watch it go down. Down into my belly.

REALRICK
08-03-2005, 11:31 AM
Despite Dar not being a good practice player I wouldn't count him cut just yet. Since he has NEVER been a good practice player this is not a surprise.

He always seems to come up BIG in pre season, and its pre season that will determine whether he makes the team. If he makes big plays in a couple of pre season games, then I would expect him to get chances to do the same during the regular season. On the field performance during the regular season is all that counts. However, by not practicing well or not trying hard in practice, etc....he sure is playing a risky game. Don't know what that is all about.

dj_stouty
08-03-2005, 11:33 AM
Ron Burgundy: I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
Veronica Corningstone: Really.
Ron Burgundy: People know me.
Veronica Corningstone: Well, I'm very happy for you.
Ron Burgundy: I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.

BurgundyNGold
08-03-2005, 11:35 AM
How about that... a REALRICK sighting.

JoeDaSchmoe
08-03-2005, 11:37 AM
Ron Burgundy: I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal.
Veronica Corningstone: Really.
Ron Burgundy: People know me.
Veronica Corningstone: Well, I'm very happy for you.
Ron Burgundy: I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany.

"How are you? You look awfully nice tonight. Hmm? Maybe don't wear a bra next time. No, I was talking to you. No, not her. I don't know her name. What is it? Lanolin? La-lanolin, like - like sheep's wool?"

NCskinfan
08-03-2005, 11:38 AM
I want to be on you.

JoeDaSchmoe
08-03-2005, 11:39 AM
I have completely derailed this thread. :D

I want to be on you.

"You... have a magnificent... heinie. And I wanna be friends with it."

BIGSEF3
08-03-2005, 11:51 AM
Dude, I just don't see him being a force at WR. Sure, he will be a standout on ST, but I don't see him bumping Dyson or McCants because they are our tallest receivers. Patten, Moss, and Antonio would be too small as a unit. But yeah, I like the guy.

height is useless if you cant catch a ball. i am 6'2 but i get BEASTED on in basketball sometimes because some of the guys i play with are short, and fast as hell.

The same is true for receivers. a short, fast, athletic guy with sure hands has a better chance of beating the defender and making a completion, than a big guy who may be taller than his defender, but cant catch.

if we have nothing but short fast receivers, i say we call them the ninjas.

redskinz#1fan
08-03-2005, 12:10 PM
Certainly. If DMC isn't practicing at 110%...and Dyson keeps acting like a Gardner clone and drops balls at will, then I could see some room for Brown.

Moss, Patten, Jacobs, Thrash, Brown...?

Damn that is a lot of speed! We will need to slow down the camera's to catch these guys in action! :mfast:

redskinz#1fan
08-03-2005, 12:11 PM
Believe me, I'll be writing a lot about Brown today.

He looks good. I mean, really good. If he were Ron Burgundy, he might be yelling for everyone to come see how good he looks.

:lol1: Now that's funny!

whistleandthumb
08-03-2005, 12:15 PM
Disappointing to hear about DMC. I really think we're going to need AT LEAST one guy with some kind of height on our WR squad. On 3rd downs, we can't just always chuck the ball downfield... we're going to need someone to tower over the DB's, and I was hoping DMC might pull through for us and be that guy. Interesting to see how this all plays out.

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 12:15 PM
Damn that is a lot of speed! We will need to slow down the camera's to catch these guys in action! :mfast:
It is possible that Moss and Brown are 2 of the fastest in the NFL, maybe even THE 2 fastest players in the NFL. Patten is sure-handed and fast too, but Jacobs' recorded 40 time is even faster than Patten's. Jacobs is reported to have bulked up and added some strength in the weight room in the offseason to help get out of jams at the line, so i could live with it if those guys end up being our receivers (along with Thrash). if so, we'll just have to count on other guys like Cooley, Royal, White and maybe Sellers to be our bigger targets.

redskinz#1fan
08-03-2005, 12:23 PM
It is possible that Moss and Brown are 2 of the fastest in the NFL, maybe even THE 2 fastest players in the NFL. Patten is sure-handed and fast too, but Jacobs' recorded 40 time is even faster than Patten's. Jacobs is reported to have bulked up and added some strength in the weight room in the offseason to help get out of jams at the line, so i could live with it if those guys end up being our receivers (along with Thrash). if so, we'll just have to count on other guys like Cooley, Royal, White and maybe Sellers to be our bigger targets.

We definitely won't be hurting if any of these guys are our starters. We are in a very good position with all the talent/depth that we have at WR. I can't wait to see the first deepball that Ramsey launches down the field to a speedy wide open WR. That will be a big confidence boost for Ramsey and the entire offense. Of course like always, this is just IMO!

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 12:40 PM
We definitely won't be hurting if any of these guys are our starters. We are in a very good position with all the talent/depth that we have at WR. I can't wait to see the first deepball that Ramsey launches down the field to a speedy wide open WR. That will be a big confidence boost for Ramsey and the entire offense. Of course like always, this is just IMO!
something deep inside keeps telling me we need that 1 Art Monk type guy, but i'm just not sure if McCants or Dyson can fullfill that role.

openallnight
08-03-2005, 12:43 PM
It is possible that Moss and Brown are 2 of the fastest in the NFL, maybe even THE 2 fastest players in the NFL. Patten is sure-handed and fast too, but Jacobs' recorded 40 time is even faster than Patten's.
I'm thrilled to see they're using Brown at WR. I actually was hoping to see this at the end of last year but, obviously he didn't know the offense well enough.
Can you imagine a 3 WR set w/ Brown, Moss and Patten (or Taylor)? How r u gonna defend all that speed?

WaterBoy
08-03-2005, 12:46 PM
I apologize if the secret has been exposed on HR. Remember way back there was alot of guessing who's the standout that Coach Gibbs was praising...now we know

"During the June mini-camp, head coach Joe Gibbs singled him out as a player who had stood out in the offseason-and not just as a return specialist. He has opened eyes at wide receiver. "

"He has looked extremely good at receiver," Gibbs said in mid-June. "I've been super-impressed with him. He's probably caught as many deep balls as anybody out there. He has to be one of the fastest players in the NFL."

IowaSkinsFan
08-03-2005, 12:47 PM
Its sure sounding as if he will not just make the team but be included in some 3 wide sets.
He is small but that won't matter if he smokes the coverage.

Indeed. I have been the biggest proponent of not keeping him, simply because I thought he was so one dimensional, but if he is doing that good at WR, then he could be a great asset. With his kind of speed, he can eat up a cushion and get on the DB in no time.

wave6ten
08-03-2005, 12:50 PM
Its good to hear that brown is looking good, but what is up with Jacobs right now? How is he looking in camp? reguardless of whats going on with the 5th and possibly 6th WR spot its Jacobs that will make or break this unit.

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 12:51 PM
I'm thrilled to see they're using Brown at WR. I actually was hoping to see this at the end of last year but, obviously he didn't know the offense well enough.
Can you imagine a 3 WR set w/ Brown, Moss and Patten (or Taylor)? How r u gonna defend all that speed?
how about all 4? Ramsey in the shotgun w/ Cooley or Portis in the backfield, with Moss, Patten, Jacobs and Brown at wideouts.

BurgundyNGold
08-03-2005, 12:52 PM
I apologize if the secret has been exposed on HR. Remember way back there was alot of guessing who's the standout that Coach Gibbs was praising...now we know

"During the June mini-camp, head coach Joe Gibbs singled him out as a player who had stood out in the offseason-and not just as a return specialist. He has opened eyes at wide receiver. "

"He has looked extremely good at receiver," Gibbs said in mid-June. "I've been super-impressed with him. He's probably caught as many deep balls as anybody out there. He has to be one of the fastest players in the NFL."
Welcome back to hR, WaterBoy! I hope Brown is a diamond in the rough. We need as much playmaking ability as we can get on the O this year.

IowaSkinsFan
08-03-2005, 12:52 PM
Its good to hear that brown is looking good, but what is up with Jacobs right now? How is he looking in camp? reguardless of whats going on with the 5th and possibly 6th WR spot its Jacobs that will make or break this unit.

I read that Jacobs has been practicing really hard, doing well, and looks as if he has bulked up even more than the previous season.

IowaSkinsFan
08-03-2005, 12:53 PM
I'm thrilled to see they're using Brown at WR. I actually was hoping to see this at the end of last year but, obviously he didn't know the offense well enough.
Can you imagine a 3 WR set w/ Brown, Moss and Patten (or Taylor)? How r u gonna defend all that speed?

I would like to caution everyone that speed is nice, but they still have to catch the ball. Remember Cliff Russell?

BurgundyNGold
08-03-2005, 12:53 PM
how about all 4? Ramsey in the shotgun w/ Cooley or Portis in the backfield, with Moss, Patten, Jacobs and Brown at wideouts.
Sounds like the "Chuck-N-Duck" again. Look out, Ram!

BurgundyNGold
08-03-2005, 12:53 PM
I would like to caution everyone that speed is nice, but they still have to catch the ball. Remember Cliff Russell?
No. :D

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 12:57 PM
Sounds like the "Chuck-N-Duck" again. Look out, Ram!
as long as we dont leave Portis one-on-one with Simeon Rice for pass protection...

CNYSkinFan
08-03-2005, 01:23 PM
What this also gives us is quality depth that we can spell Moss and Patten at times and allow all of our speed guys to go all out all game long. 4th quarter the cbs will be so tired of chasing the guys all game that long bombs and runs will be available.

BurgundyNGold
08-03-2005, 01:25 PM
What this also gives us is quality depth that we can spell Moss and Patten at times and allow all of our speed guys to go all out all game long. 4th quarter the cbs will be so tired of chasing the guys all game that long bombs and runs will be available.
Speaking of which, I am waiting for the classic Gibbs play to be called:

Field position: Between the 40s
When: 1st play of either the 2nd or 4th quarters
Play: Play action fake, throw deep post

We didn't see that at all last year that I can recall. Gibbs used to do that like 2, 3 or more times a year and it almost always worked.

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 01:26 PM
What this also gives us is quality depth that we can spell Moss and Patten at times and allow all of our speed guys to go all out all game long. 4th quarter the cbs will be so tired of chasing the guys all game that long bombs and runs will be available.
we could switch a couple speed burners off on some unsuspecting corner on consecutive plays and he'd be going for the oxygen tank on the sidelines.

NCskinsfanatic
08-03-2005, 01:32 PM
It's the return of the smurfs............ :awesomewo !

redskin_rich
08-03-2005, 01:38 PM
Speaking of which, I am waiting for the classic Gibbs play to be called:

Field position: Between the 40s
When: 1st play of either the 2nd or 4th quarters
Play: Play action fake, throw deep post

We didn't see that at all last year that I can recall. Gibbs used to do that like 2, 3 or more times a year and it almost always worked.
I loved that play, sometimes it was even jazzed up to a double fake, first the fake handoff, then the end around fake and then the long post.
I can't wait to see that one again.

BurgundyNGold
08-03-2005, 01:40 PM
I loved that play, sometimes it was even jazzed up to a double fake, first the fake handoff, then the end around fake and then the long post.
I can't wait to see that one again.
Yeah, yeah, yeah! The fake handoff then the fake end around! That's the one!!!

dj_stouty
08-03-2005, 01:45 PM
Wide Receiver speed must be dealt with in the NFL.

I point to the Rams of 2001.

They had three wide receivers, none of which were above 6 feet...but they all had speed.

On virtually every single 3/4 WR set, they sent Az Hakim (one of the league's fastest WRs at the time) streaking down the field. He had to be dealt with in some capacity. That allowed their star WRs, Holt and Bruce, the opportunity to get less double teams, so they could separation from their defender for big plays. It also opened up the running game and gave a very versatile Marshall Faulk room to run/catch. Hakim only had 39 catches that year...but his presence alone allowed Bruce and Holt to combine for 2,469 yards and 13 TDs. Hakim was an unsung hero for his team that year.

I think the same can be done here in Washington.

Patten, Moss and Jacobs can all run like the wind. If Gibbs uses his 3WR sets correctly, he could send one or more of them streaking down the field on any given play. Doing that will make the defense honest to the pass. (Something that never happened in 2004) Stretching the field in this manner will allow for better running efficiency (Portis gaining over 3.8ypc) and increased low-risk tosses to guys like Cooley and Royal for first downs. It will also open up the opportunity for big plays through play-action. Ultimately, this technique tires down the defense...as they have to keep up with a streaking receiver on virtually every play. They say it takes more energy for a defender to cover a receiver than it does for the receiver to actually run teh route.

I like the possibilities here...

ppease
08-03-2005, 01:46 PM
I loved that play, sometimes it was even jazzed up to a double fake, first the fake handoff, then the end around fake and then the long post.
I can't wait to see that one again.

Yeah, me too. But to even try that type of play our OL needs to pass block much better than they did last year. With Jon back and Casey as a solid center and with a second year under the same offense I anticipate our OL will be significantly improved. The HOGS were so good that Joe could put in such plays and I very much hope that this years OL will be really solid.

redskin_rich
08-03-2005, 01:50 PM
Yeah, me too. But to even try that type of play our OL needs to pass block much better than they did last year. With Jon back and Casey as a solid center and with a second year under the same offense I anticipate our OL will be significantly improved. The HOGS were so good that Joe could put in such plays and I very much hope that this years OL will be really solid.
Agreed, thats probably why we didn't see that type of long developing play last year, the QB would have been sacked during the second fake.
I like the possibilities here...
Me too...

ph33rtheD
08-03-2005, 01:51 PM
ya know think we should keep info about the training camps in an achive or something so we can compare to the previous years. So will know when to get exited and when not to get exited

HanburgerBum
08-03-2005, 02:30 PM
I was at training camp today (Aug 3), and I can confirm that Antonio Brown did indeed look good in practice. On one play, he caught a flair pass on the right, juked Shawn Springs out of his jock strap and streaked down the sidelines for a long gain. I think it fair to state that Brown needs to be taken seriously as a receiver.

I have been a big James Thrasher basher for weeks. Got to admit though today he looked pretty good. Probably caught more balls than anyone else (although they were all of the underneath variety).

Overall, however, there appear to be more negatives than positives for the offense. The downfield passing is still not there. Receivers were either not open, over-thrown or dropped catchable balls. The longest completion was about a 30-yarder from Campbell to Royal. The running game, with the exception of a couple of nice runs by Portis, looked anemic. The defense looked to be quite a bit ahead of the offense.

Ramsey was so-so. Brunell was so-so and attempted only one pass over 10 yards (a bomb that Patten dropped). Campbell threw the best of the QBs today and showed good athleticism (took off when no one was open).

I also got to admit that DMac (someone I have vocally boosted of late) did not look good in practice. He seemed disinterested and slow. Dropped the only ball aimed at him. I am not giving up on DMac though, and I am hoping he is just one of those players that are gamers on Sundays while never looking good in practice.

redskinz#1fan
08-03-2005, 02:34 PM
Speaking of which, I am waiting for the classic Gibbs play to be called:

Field position: Between the 40s
When: 1st play of either the 2nd or 4th quarters
Play: Play action fake, throw deep post

We didn't see that at all last year that I can recall. Gibbs used to do that like 2, 3 or more times a year and it almost always worked.


I loved that play, sometimes it was even jazzed up to a double fake, first the fake handoff, then the end around fake and then the long post.
I can't wait to see that one again.

WOW! If that didn't bring back some memories of the glory days, then I don't know what will! Thanks for the ride guys!

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 02:36 PM
from what i've been hearing from you guys and reading in various reports, i am beginning to wonder if the defense is just so good that it is actually impeding the progress and confidence of the offense.

wave6ten
08-03-2005, 02:48 PM
from what i've been hearing from you guys and reading in various reports, i am beginning to wonder if the defense is just so good that it is actually impeding the progress and confidence of the offense.

Thats a good question. Is it hurting or helping the offense?

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 02:57 PM
Thats a good question. Is it hurting or helping the offense?
i dont know, but if they are getting blown up by a blitz every time they try to run a play it would seem like it may be tough to get any repetition.

on the other hand it may strengthen them to have to go against one of the league's best defenses all the time.

Skinsfan1906
08-03-2005, 06:36 PM
I think that Antonio Brown is our sleeper. Really. He is our secret weapon. He showed some flashes last year, but with Coles and Gardner gone, someone is going to have to be counted on. While many will be looking at Moss for our homerun threat, don't be surprised if Antonio Brown sneeks in as the #3 wideout on some packages. Watch out for Taylor Jacobs also.

openallnight
08-03-2005, 06:46 PM
i dont know, but if they are getting blown up by a blitz every time they try to run a play it would seem like it may be tough to get any repetition.

on the other hand it may strengthen them to have to go against one of the league's best defenses all the time.

You know that's a good point. I've always felt that if you practiced against good competition it really helped you. I thought the hogs really pushed our DLine of that era and made them much better. But, I think that's more about man on man matchups. If you're scheming and stunting all the time in practice maybe it could really stunt the opposing sides' growth.

Although, if for nothing more than player evaluation purposes I'm sure they'll be running enough vanilla packages in camp to give the offense a chance to get their reps in.

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 06:48 PM
I think that Antonio Brown is our sleeper. Really. He is our secret weapon. He showed some flashes last year, but with Coles and Gardner gone, someone is going to have to be counted on. While many will be looking at Moss for our homerun threat, don't be surprised if Antonio Brown sneeks in as the #3 wideout on some packages. Watch out for Taylor Jacobs also.
i agree. what if Moss, Patten or Jacobs, and Brown were in the game, and Portis went in motion to line up outside as the 4th receiver? i used to love to see Marshall Faulk do that for the Rams. the defense is pointing and yelling, like who's gonna cover that guy? a linebacker? a safety? all that speed should really pose some matchup problems. they'd pretty much have to go into a zone defense and back off to respect the speed, no way could they handle them all in man coverage, so somewhere there has to be a gap in the zone, or else Cooley will get it underneath.

openallnight
08-03-2005, 06:52 PM
I think that Antonio Brown is our sleeper. Really. He is our secret weapon. He showed some flashes last year, but with Coles and Gardner gone, someone is going to have to be counted on. While many will be looking at Moss for our homerun threat, don't be surprised if Antonio Brown sneeks in as the #3 wideout on some packages. Watch out for Taylor Jacobs also.
The thing I love about Brown even more than his speed is his quickness and elusiveness. I know this may be a bit of a stretch but, he reminds me of Dante Hall. If you can get the ball to him on a slant or crossing pattern that guy has the ability to juke a couple of DBs and take it to the house at any given point. Although, I've never seen him play WR. His smarts, hands, blocking and route running skills remain to be seen.

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 07:21 PM
The thing I love about Brown even more than his speed is his quickness and elusiveness. I know this may be a bit of a stretch but, he reminds me of Dante Hall. If you can get the ball to him on a slant or crossing pattern that guy has the ability to juke a couple of DBs and take it to the house at any given point. Although, I've never seen him play WR. His smarts, hands, blocking and route running skills remain to be seen.
i can't remember which game it was, but i remember a team blatantly trying to punt the ball away from Brown. i remember thinking it had been a long time since we had anyone back on returns that scared the other team like that.

skinfan43
08-03-2005, 07:30 PM
i can't remember which game it was, but i remember a team blatantly trying to punt the ball away from Brown. i remember thinking it had been a long time since we had anyone back on returns that scared the other team like that.
Deion had one nice return... :rolleyes:

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 07:43 PM
Deion had one nice return... :rolleyes:
i may have purposefully tried to forget that ... like i said, it's been a long time!

IowaSkinsFan
08-03-2005, 07:46 PM
Thats a good question. Is it hurting or helping the offense?

It can only help. Better to face the toughest defense in practice than to head into a game w/ false assurances by facing a weak defense in practice.

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 08:04 PM
It can only help. Better to face the toughest defense in practice than to head into a game w/ false assurances by facing a weak defense in practice.
i hope you are right, but on the other hand, our defense was spectacular after facing our lame offense all the time...

redskinz#1fan
08-03-2005, 10:38 PM
Sounds like Brown really may do some damage this year. We have heard only good things about him since camp started. We could go with a 4 WR package (moss, patten, jacobs, brown) and blow the doors off any secondary in the league. Who in the hell has 4 people on any team that cover 4 speedy WR's. I have a really good feeling about this year. Plus we need to keep in mind that the skins are just giving us (fans/public) a watered down version of the offense & defense. Just think what is going on when were not there!

RedskinsVision
08-03-2005, 10:43 PM
we should have a dynamite duo between Brown and Moss (part-time returner a-la D. Green) on returns. it's actually going to be something to get excited over seeing.. no more stutter stepping Morton.

redwolf1218
08-03-2005, 10:53 PM
we should have a dynamite duo between Brown and Moss (part-time returner a-la D. Green) on returns. it's actually going to be something to get excited over seeing.. no more stutter stepping Morton.
I havent been excited about returns since Darrell Green (rarely), or Mike Nelms. Teams will have to respect those guys and it should be fun to watch. i'm anxiously looking for much improved special teams.

on a side note, i'd really like to see some deep kickoffs too.

SkinsGuru
08-04-2005, 10:10 AM
Moss, Patten, Jacobs, Thrash, Brown...?

Maybe Synder could have an inch or so added to the thickness of each of their shoes!! :bigteeth:

Spence
08-04-2005, 10:19 AM
Moss, Patten, Jacobs, Thrash, Brown...?That would be the fastest corps of receivers in the NFL -- by far. Maybe the fastest ever.

smoak
08-04-2005, 10:20 AM
That would be the fastest corps of receivers in the NFL -- by far. Maybe the fastest ever.

And at the end of the day, that might mean nothing... We'll see. Too many "track stars" never translate to NFL WRs, but obviously I am really pulling for this group (I've forgiven AB for the fuble against Dallas).

redwolf1218
08-04-2005, 10:25 AM
And at the end of the day, that might mean nothing... We'll see. Too many "track stars" never translate to NFL WRs, but obviously I am really pulling for this group (I've forgiven AB for the fuble against Dallas).
from what i've been reading, Moss is famous for great route running skills. Patten probably is too for him to have made it this far from his background. Jacobs should be, from the way Spurrier supposedly taught route-running...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/03/AR2005080302295.html

"But what I have done in my career to get me this far is my route-running. That's what I take pride on: my separation from defenders and running precise routes."

"People said that by far my routes looked different from the whole team's routes," said Moss

"Santana runs really good routes," said quarterback Patrick Ramsey. "He recognizes the fact that if you focus on that and combine that with his speed, he can certainly be very explosive."

"He definitely has all the DBs shook up," said wide receiver Darnerien McCants. "He has a little flavor at the top of all his routes that lets him get open."

Despite Moss's speed, Patten said his teammate shows patience in routes.

"A lot of times, speed guys don't exercise patience running their routes," said Patten. "He does a great job. When guys know you're fast, they are going to play off you. You have to be patient in your route and make them think you're running a [different] route. You can't just come up and throw your head out. That's high school stuff."

JoeDaSchmoe
08-04-2005, 10:29 AM
And at the end of the day, that might mean nothing... We'll see. Too many "track stars" never translate to NFL WRs, but obviously I am really pulling for this group (I've forgiven AB for the fuble against Dallas).

Well, the difference between the large group of never-made-it track stars and this receiving corps is that these guys are, for the most part, proven NFL receivers already. Moss, Patten, and Thrash can clearly play, Jacobs has shown enough that it's doubtful he'll get lumped in with the track star group (he's not exceedingly small anyway, which is the failing point for most of the speedsters). Brown's a question mark at WR, but he's already shown himself to be very good at returning kicks, and a lot of returners successfully make the transition to receiver after a couple years (Randle El, Derrick Mason, Santana, Dante Hall to a lesser extent).

There are no Cliff Russells in this group.

ihatedallas
08-04-2005, 10:34 AM
Brown is a good kick returner and has amazing speed, but that doesnt always translate to recieving...Dante Hall played some recieving for KC last year and he did great when he had the ball in open field, but he wasn't all that good at getting to the ball or running routes.

BIGSEF3
08-04-2005, 10:35 AM
Who in the hell has 4 people on any team that cover 4 speedy WR's.

Thats an extremely good point, because no one does. I wonder if Gibbs will think of our receivers in those terms. He's not one to send 4 receivers out very often, since he wants to leave guys in to protect the QB. But maybe Gibbs will try some "fun and gun."

I hate to say it, but i almost feel like Steve Spurrier would do great with the personnel we currently have, and Joe gibbs would have done better with the personnel Spurrier had.

NamVet4
08-04-2005, 10:44 AM
Thats an extremely good point, because no one does. I wonder if Gibbs will think of our receivers in those terms. He's not one to send 4 receivers out very often, since he wants to leave guys in to protect the QB. But maybe Gibbs will try some "fun and gun."

I hate to say it, but i almost feel like Steve Spurrier would do great with the personnel we currently have, and Joe gibbs would have done better with the personnel Spurrier had.


HUH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

BIGSEF3
08-04-2005, 10:48 AM
HUH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

i just think spurrier would have done better w/ these current receivers and clinton portis. and a fairly mobile guy like campbell could have scambled some and not been abused as much as ramsey was.

i know i will get flakk for this, but i think gibbs could have done something with shane matthews. i always liked that guy in the games i saw him play with the bears. and i think gibbs could have done something with ramsey if gibbs had got him his 1st and 2nd NFL years. plus davis would be an ideal back for gibbs.

i'm not saying gibbs wont be successful, i think he will, but it will not be in "classic gibbs style." i just had the stray thought that spurrier may have done better than he did if he had some of the personnel gibbs has accumulated now. just a random thought.

openallnight
08-04-2005, 10:55 AM
I havent been excited about returns since Darrell Green (rarely), or Mike Nelms. Teams will have to respect those guys and it should be fun to watch. i'm anxiously looking for much improved special teams.

on a side note, i'd really like to see some deep kickoffs too.
What about B Mitch???

redwolf1218
08-04-2005, 11:00 AM
What about B Mitch???
he was solid and reliable for years, but i dont think anyone tried to kick it away from him out of fear.

openallnight
08-04-2005, 11:01 AM
i just think spurrier would have done better w/ these current receivers and clinton portis. and a fairly mobile guy like campbell could have scambled some and not been abused as much as ramsey was.

i know i will get flakk for this, but i think gibbs could have done something with shane matthews. i always liked that guy in the games i saw him play with the bears. and i think gibbs could have done something with ramsey if gibbs had got him his 1st and 2nd NFL years. plus davis would be an ideal back for gibbs.

i'm not saying gibbs wont be successful, i think he will, but it will not be in "classic gibbs style." i just had the stray thought that spurrier may have done better than he did if he had some of the personnel gibbs has accumulated now. just a random thought.
No flakk from me. It's beyond even being flakk worthy :banghead:

bgforever
08-04-2005, 11:07 AM
No flakk from me. It's beyond even being flakk worthy :banghead:

Matthews was only good when the ratings were down everywhere else for a solid backup. He was good in stop gap emergency, but in games like Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Philly some others, he would have been a Hospital highlight reel.

BIGSEF3
08-04-2005, 11:24 AM
Matthews was only good when the ratings were down everywhere else for a solid backup. He was good in stop gap emergency, but in games like Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Philly some others, he would have been a Hospital highlight reel.

Matthews won me over before he was even a Redskin. I was watching one game on TV, and it was over early, so they were showing the very end of a brown-bears game to fill in time before the next game started. anyway, the bears were down by 13 points with 47 seconds to go.

The browns had just scored a TD and were kicking off to the bears. The return man didnt do much of anything. For all intents and purposes, the game was over. Then Shane Mathews threw a touchdown pass. The bears ended up recovering an onside kick, and Matthews threw another touchdown. It was honestly the most incredible minute of football I have seen in my entire life. Now I know Matthews sucked it up when he was here, but so did ALL our QB's. I really think Gibbs could have done something with him. Then again, we all said the same about Mark Brunell when Gibbs signed him.

smoak
08-04-2005, 11:32 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love the group of WRs, but I don't consider any but Patten, Thrash, and to a lesser degree, Moss as "proven". And bot Patten and Thrash I consider to be "proven" complementory players.