Scrimmage Thread

[JoeDaSchmoe]

The scrimmage is being broadcast on WJFK, so those of us who live around DC can post what's going on for those of us who are further away (because we're the kind and generous Redskin fan site :awesomewo).

So far, there have only been a few special teams plays. Jonathan Combs blocked a punt, and Tom Tupa has boomed a couple ridiculous distances.

[whitskins]

Thanks to everyone who can help keep us out of towners up to date. Wow a blocked punt that's awesome. Eat that Ratbirds!!!

[IMALILTEAPOT]

they are saying that first they arent going deep, just getting comfortable

[skinfan43]

MOSS returning punts, not Antonio Brown?? Interesting....

[redskin_rich]

Ade Jimoh is starting at CB. :imshock:

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Ravens offense is looking pretty good so far. Scored a couple touchdowns in 7-on-7s.

Brunell's dumped off a couple times (figures...).

[JoeDaSchmoe]

MOSS returning punts, not Antonio Brown?? Interesting....

Huh? Antonio was returning them.

[redskin_rich]

Huh? Antonio was returning them.
I think they both were, I heard them say Moss was high stepping at the end of a return.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

were doing a lot of short stuff...

[JoeDaSchmoe]

The entire radio booth is complaining that the Skins aren't throwing further than 10 yards down the field.

McCune just made a nice play.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I think they both were, I heard them say Moss was high stepping at the end of a return.

Oh, maybe both were. I remember hearing Brown's name called, so I knew it wasn't just Moss.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

Ade Jimoh made a good play!

[redskin_rich]

Brown was wide open and Campbell hit him for a 20 yard pass.

Spinner threw an int.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Spinner just threw into double coverage and it was picked off.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

Ino by LB Zack Keasey

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Skins just made a pick. Zak Keasey, rookie LB out of Princeton.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

oh no, ramsey got picked off

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Ramsey just looked down his receiver the whole way and threw an INT.

[whitskins]

Ughhh, Ramsey come on...

[IMALILTEAPOT]

what the hell, they are saying the ravens are playing more fire than the skins

[skinfan43]

Great updates, thanks and keep 'em comin'!!!!!!!!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Ugh, bomb to Mason for a touchdown.

Booth guys are saying Redskins aren't playing with fire.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

TD antonio brown on deion sanders

[redskin_rich]

TD! Antonio Brown on Deion!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Wait, Brunell just threw a nice TD to Antonio Brown.

[skinfan43]

TD antonio brown on deion sanders
HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!

[skinfan43]

So far, are these just the drills, with the actual scrimmage game starting later?

[redskin_rich]

Ramsey to Cooley TD!

[whitskins]

YeahhhHH!!!!

[ihatedallas]

man i wish this was televised, in some ways its better then a preseason game...

[skinfan43]

Ramsey to Cooley TD!
Wanna hear that ALOT this year - SWEET!

[redskin_rich]

The real scrimmage is starting now.

[skinfan43]

Redskins.com said they're going to be showing a bunch of plays on their site later on, right?

[redskin_rich]

Ryan Clark with a big stop.

Ryan Clark again!

[whitskins]

Ryan Clark with a big stop.

Ryan Clark again!

That dude's a tackling machine, even if he's not starting we gotta get him in the games.

[ArRiNgToN_56]

The real scrimmage is starting now.

Wait so what was that? Just Drills...or what?

[IMALILTEAPOT]

our defense is putting pressure to boller, but boller is releasing it right before we can get him

except right now when ron warner rushed boller for a sack

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Ryan Clark laid some wood, Ravens completed a long pass, Ron Warner stuffed a run with excellent penetration.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

pearson prealu is ballin

[redskin_rich]

Ravens made a FG.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

matt stover made the field goal

[whitskins]

Let's drop a TD on these clowns now.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Marcus Washington with the simulated sack... excelente.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

redskins defense is doing well

[tbfoster1]

Marcus Washington with the simulated sack... excelente.
are the quarterbacks red shirted in this scrimmage?

[IMALILTEAPOT]

offense time!!!

[skinfan43]

redskins defense is doing well
What else is new! ;)

[IMALILTEAPOT]

ramsey floated the ball to patten, but stared him down and over threw him. they said he doesnt seem comfortbale

[redskin_rich]

Here we go Redskins on offense.

Ramsey overthrows Patten.

Patten drops the next pass.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Ramsey's inaccurate so far. Shotgun's being pulled out.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

shotgun formation!!! first down to patten

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Ramsey connects with Patten for a first down.

[skinfan43]

shotgun formation!!! first down to patten
THAT'S WHAT'S UP!!!!!!!

[swift0712]

Keep the updates comin'. Gives me something to do while bored here at work

[redskin_rich]

Ramsey sacked twice in a row.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

ramsey was sacked by ray lewis, they made a big deal out of it. guess it was a nice simulated sack

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Two straight sacks, and not because Ramsey held it too long. Heavy blitzing.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

wow ray lewis is going crazy. he hit thrash to force a incomplete

[skinfan43]

wow ray lewis is going crazy. he hit thrash to force a incomplete
:rolleyes:

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I form, play action, complete to Santana for a first down. Offense still sputtering for various reasons, probably most of them being the O-line.

[ArRiNgToN_56]

ramsey was sacked by ray lewis, they made a big deal out of it. guess it was a nice simulated sack

:lol1: Some of those simulated sacks can be nasty...

[JoeDaSchmoe]

My bad, that made it 3rd and 1. Jumbo formation, play action, quick throw to Sellers for the first.

[Ibleedburgundy]

They don't seem to like Ramsey too much.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

:lol1: Some of those simulated sacks can be nasty...
:lol1:

[skinfan43]

My bad, that made it 3rd and 1. Jumbo formation, play action, quick throw to Sellers for the first.
Sounds pretty West Coast-ish thusfar...

[Godspropy]

haven't seen this posted, they're saying Ramsey is staring down the primary receiver

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Ramsey hits Cooley for the first down.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Sounds pretty West Coast-ish thusfar...

Yeah, it's too short for my liking.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Ramsey-to-Moss on the slant. Short gain.

[skinfan43]

These "updates-from-different-HR members" format is definitely entertaining!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Ramsey sim-sacked on the corner blitz, throws long towards the end zone but it falls incomplete.

[ArRiNgToN_56]

Are we not allowed to run the ball?

[IMALILTEAPOT]

deion sanders sacked ramsey, B Mitch said he would prolly miss in the real game, lol

[skinfan43]

Are we not allowed to run the ball?
Right?

[Ibleedburgundy]

It's a scrimmage, Skins need to work on the passing game. I'm not worried about the running game, are you?

[IMALILTEAPOT]

second team offense now, anthony wright made a deep pass to clarence moore

[ArRiNgToN_56]

It's a scrimmage, Skins need to work on the passing game. I'm not worried about the running game, are you?

Perhaps, im just genrally curious.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

sack by warrick holdman

[skinfan43]

It's a scrimmage, Skins need to work on the passing game. I'm not worried about the running game, are you?
True, but doesn't it defeat the purpose when the opposing D knows you're throwing it on every down??

[IMALILTEAPOT]

damn touchdown pass, ADE JIMOH WAS BEAT

[redskin_rich]

Jimoh beat for a TD.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Did Jimoh just get burned?

[skinfan43]

damn touchdown pass, ADE JIMOH WAS BEAT
Surprise of the day... :rolleyes:

[whitskins]

I'm not too concerned about any TD against Jimoh it is pretty much expected.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Is Wilds in there?

[IMALILTEAPOT]

uh oh, SEAN TAYLOR JUST DRILLED SOMEONE, HIS HELMET FLEW OFF

[IMALILTEAPOT]

incompletion, patrick johnson heard footsteps from seany boy

[Santheb]

uh oh, SEAN TAYLOR JUST DRILLED SOMEONE, HIS HELMET FLEW OFF

sweeeeet

[ArRiNgToN_56]

uh oh, SEAN TAYLOR JUST DRILLED SOMEONE, HIS HELMET FLEW OFF

I hope that clip is on Redskins.com......

[Keino]

How shocking that Jimoh got beat for a TD......I hope he gets cut this year.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

pass interference in the endzone on our cb eric joyce

[skinfan43]

incompletion, patrick johnson heard footsteps from seany boy
Former skin Patrick Johnson, right? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Take that, Mr Florida Prosecutor!! :lol1:

[bgforever]

Surprise of the day... :rolleyes:


:lol1: He has me concerned anyway from the group of defenders.

Don't like what I see in Ramsey, then again I do = little change. I am pulling for him, but he seems stuck in neutral.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Man, wish I were there, I need to move closer to DC....northern VA maybe....lol.

[skinslover]

sean taylor is playing his ass off. had to guard two players and still made the play

[IMALILTEAPOT]

sean taylor was covering two guys in the endzone, and it was a play action. sean baited the qb to throw to one guy, and when he did he came buy and deflected it. Wow, Sean is viscious

[NCskinsfanatic]

:lol1: He has me concerned anyway from the group of defenders.

Don't like what I see in Ramsey, then again I do = little change. I am pulling for him, but he seems stuck in neutral.
Im concerned that he simply looks the part in practice but cant carry it over to onfield action.

[bgforever]

Man, wish I were there, I need to move closer to DC....northern VA maybe....lol.

If I was that close I'd be going crazy (VA compared to IN )

[Ibleedburgundy]

13-3 Ravens

[IMALILTEAPOT]

field goal, if this was an actual game it would be 13-3 ravens

[NCskinsfanatic]

If I was that close I'd be going crazy (VA compared to IN )
true, bgf, guess I should be thankful im as close as i am, it's just this whole place over the last few years has turned into Panther country....lol.

[whitskins]

Nice red zone stand by the D at least.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i went on redskins.com and they said that we are wearing our burgundy color jerseys for this one. just thought id let yall know...

[IowaSkinsFan]

How shocking that Jimoh got beat for a TD......I hope he gets cut this year.

W/ the increased depth at safety and those player's prowess at playing ST's, Jimoh would have to dramatically improve his cover skills to make the team....so it looks like he will indeed be cut.

[bgforever]

What's going on now???? no more info, keep it up guys :)

[frenchskinsfan]

thank you all for those great live updates !!!! :flower1:

[IMALILTEAPOT]

they said that brunell threw a pick, that was a long pass

[chrisbcbu]

W/ the increased depth at safety and those player's prowess at playing ST's, Jimoh would have to dramatically improve his cover skills to make the team....so it looks like he will indeed be cut.

Trust me im hoping for this every day!!

[bgforever]

they said that brunell threw a pick, that was a long pass

From what I read here, Ramsey and Brunell are still having the same problems from a few days ago, but then again, its not friendly fire and even that still isn't as intense as we or they'd be. c'mon QB's make the next step up.

[chrisbcbu]

i want to hear about Campbell!!

[IMALILTEAPOT]

holding on the redskins

[skinfan43]

The one update I heard on here about campbell said he completed a 20yd pass to Brown. Sounds like he did the best today so far :rolleyes:

[Ibleedburgundy]

Redskins offense not going too far here

[koepke25]

This sucks!

I've spent the last hour trying to get an audio feed online to no avail.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

the offense is like deja vu all over again. i know this is scrimmage, but its just annoying

[skinfan43]

This sucks!

I've spent the last hour trying to get an audio feed online to no avail.
We've all tried, it just isn't happening for anyone :banghead:

[IMALILTEAPOT]

field goal attempt missed by chandler, good break for hall

[akhhorus]

This sucks!

I've spent the last hour trying to get an audio feed online to no avail.

probably since its a Redskins' game and WJFK can't stream it.

[skinfan43]

the offense is like deja vu all over again. i know this is scrimmage, but its just annoying
i'm still curious - not a single run, yet?

[koepke25]

probably since its a Redskins' game and WJFK can't stream it.

That makes sense.

It doesn't make it suck any less!! :banghead:

[IMALILTEAPOT]

wow the ravens had two straight times when the qbs foot was stepped on by an o lineman

[chrisbcbu]

Has either team tried to run yet?

[frenchskinsfan]

probably since its a Redskins' game and WJFK can't stream it.
They hardly know what "stream" means...

[chrisbcbu]

They hardly know what "stream" means...

A stream has water in it right?

[akhhorus]

They hardly know what "stream" means...

No, they think it means something a guy does in the bathroom.

[bgforever]

No, they think it means something a guy does in the bathroom.


Better yet where are the "runs"?

[redskin_rich]

Has either team tried to run yet?
Both teams have run the ball for very little gains.

[koepke25]

Any more updates?

[frenchskinsfan]

Both teams have run the ball for very little gains.
Good news for the D's

[IMALILTEAPOT]

ade jimoh pass interference, thats twice. get the hell outta here

[skinfan43]

No, they think it means something a guy does in the bathroom.
"stream" on WJFK today, then...

[bgforever]

a. Jimoh, show your love and punch out. You're bonifide toast.

[koepke25]

ade jimoh pass interference, thats twice. get the hell outta here

I can't, for the life of me, figure out how he's managed to stay on the team this long. He should have played in the XFL, his name would have been "He Burnt me" or "Don't worry bout me, I won't cover you".

[skinslover]

garnell wilds is injured

[CNYSkinFan]

garnell wilds is injured

that hurts...how bad?

[Ibleedburgundy]

wow the ravens had two straight times when the qbs foot was stepped on by an o lineman


Maybe they miss Rabach

[skinfan43]

a. Jimoh, show your love and punch out. You're bonifide toast.
AdeToast - just like my local bar: "Sundays - no cover!"

[koepke25]

AdeToast - just like my local bar: "Sundays - no cover!"

:lol1:

[skinslover]

i dont think its bad they said he was cramping but he was laying on the field for 10 minutes they had to move the drill over to the other side

[koepke25]

Is the scrimmage over?

[IMALILTEAPOT]

just a cramp, it happens.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

no its not over, but the guys in the booth are just talking, not saying whats going on in the game

[skinfan43]

AdeToast - hmmmmm... rhymes with "Adios!"

[bgforever]

I can't, for the life of me, figure out how he's managed to stay on the team this long. He should have played in the XFL, his name would have been "He Burnt me" or "Don't worry bout me, I won't cover you".

d8mmit my sides are aching!

Has anyone seen Bowen, Broughton yet??? How about Palmer (TE)

[skinslover]

palmer just dropped a pass

[IMALILTEAPOT]

d8mmit my sides are aching!

Has anyone seen Bowen, Broughton yet??? How about Palmer (TE)
they said bowen looked good. he seems like he has healed pretty well....


just when i say this palmer fumbled the ball

[Ibleedburgundy]

Palmer just caught a pass and then fumbled.

[KMDeMuth]

uh oh...redskin down, lineman....

[IMALILTEAPOT]

raymer is fine, he just got up and ran

[KMDeMuth]

raymer was down, got up and ran off the field on his own power...

[Ibleedburgundy]

Raymer was down but got up and ran off the field

[KMDeMuth]

just came back in the game

[skinfan43]

uh oh...redskin down, lineman....
SH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bgforever]

uh oh...redskin down, lineman....
update on that quickly.

Palmer needs to work on the "cradle" or they'll use pine to substitute one for him (bench)

(Notice the Superb example in my avatar by Mr. Charley Taylor - Redskins 1964 - 1977

[frenchskinsfan]

just came back in the game
:bsmile:

[skinslover]

forsey just dropped a pass. ball hit him right in the hands

[IMALILTEAPOT]

awww, campbell threw to rb brock forsey and he was wide open but dropped it. thats not gonna help

[IMALILTEAPOT]

campbell overthrew someone, almost/should of been picked off

[KMDeMuth]

campbell overthrows, announcers say it should have been picked off....defensive error and QB error

[IMALILTEAPOT]

campbell threw a out to a WR named harris, they are praising campbell right now

[skinfan43]

campbell overthrows, announcers say it should have been picked off....defensive error and QB error
First mistake I've heard from the rook...

[bgforever]

campbell threw a out to a WR named harris, they are praising campbell right now

vision, touch, accuracy.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

WJFK is going off air soon

[skinfan43]

vision, touch, accuracy.
I, like, that!

[KMDeMuth]

WJFK is going off air soon

yea, this is final drive for skins anyway

pass interference on play....on ravens D

[IMALILTEAPOT]

this whole scrimmage is just rugged, not a lot of good things came out of it. maybe for both teams

[skinfan43]

yea, this is final drive for skins anyway

pass interference on play....on ravens D
C'mon Campbell, got something left to show us? ;)

[skinslover]

this whole scrimmage is just rugged, not a lot of good things came out of it. maybe for both teams
its a scrimmage

[KMDeMuth]

praising campbell for finding recievers and geting the ball to them before end of route....

reciver gets there, ball is there

[skinslover]

jason campbell just threw a touchdown

[IMALILTEAPOT]

touchdown pass from campbell!!

[KMDeMuth]

ravens are going to have a lot of issues this year if this is how their D is going to play. Flags every play for last like 10 plays....horrible

[bgforever]

touchdown pass from campbell!!

as I was saying before.......

[IMALILTEAPOT]

aiight its done

[skinslover]

16-9 ravens if this was a real game

[KMDeMuth]

we're done....wjfk has gone off

[frenchskinsfan]

we're done....wjfk has gone off
Thank you very much for sharing !

[koepke25]

ravens are going to have a lot of issues this year if this is how their D is going to play. Flags every play for last like 10 plays....horrible

Isn't it their 3rd string by now?

[KMDeMuth]

*waits for guys up there to get home and give us their views on it all*
*waits for a write up or 2* :)

[KMDeMuth]

Isn't it their 3rd string by now?

yea thats true....sorry still waking up :rolleyes:

was out late

[skinfan43]

touchdown pass from campbell!!
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT!! :)

[IMALILTEAPOT]

ravens are going to have a lot of issues this year if this is how their D is going to play. Flags every play for last like 10 plays....horrible
its their 3rd team, when their 1st team was in there, they were doing really well

[KMDeMuth]

but you still dont want to see this many flags on ppl you are going to rotate. even worse when/if they get injuries...

[bgforever]

its their 3rd team, when their 1st team was in there, they were doing really well

And our offense looked just like it did in that "real" game against them then. Up and down and arrgggghy like. Of course there are surely some things, I would say were NOT used today, and that is a BIG difference in the upcoming games.

[swift0712]

Thanks for the updates everyone!!!

[skinfan43]

THANKS A MILLION TO YOU GUYS THAT PROVIDED THE UPDATES! How 'bout that Campbell kid in his first NFL display! (even if it WAS just a scrimmage)

[bgforever]

THANKS A MILLION TO YOU GUYS THAT PROVIDED THE UPDATES! How 'bout that Campbell kid in his first NFL display! (even if it WAS just a scrimmage)

Yeah when the heat turns up after each week and the comfort zone has opponents having coffee in your backfield, then we can see what's in those intenstines.

Thanks for the updates all!

[chrisbcbu]

im looking forward to see Campbell in preseason. Sounds like he was doing some goo things in this scrimmage!!

[skins111111]

really enjoyed the updates.....thnx guys.

[skinfanatic]

is there going to be an official write up w/ out having to go through sent by sent on 13 pages?

[ihatedallas]

Who'd cambell throw a td to?

[REALRICK]

16-9 ravens if this was a real game

Well here is what you need to understand. Not only wasn't it a REAL game, but it wasn't a game at all. Its practice. There is no game planning and the first team starters aren't even playing together.

Sure, you have Ray Lewis and Sean Taylor all over the field making plays, because they are Superstar type players. Marcus Washington seems to have made an impact in the short time he was in because he is that type of player also. Of course the Skins are missing Arrington so we didn't have the benefit of hearing if he would have made an impact.

But there is nothing for fans to gain from a scrimmage except for perhaps the thrill of seeing players on the field. Only the coaches know what was trying to be accomplished with plays, ext. Perhaps Patrick was given 7 new plays to run because the coaches wanted to see if they were worth keeping. Maybe Patrick was having a hard time adjusting to the game speed with fast receivers after having played with slow receivers for 2 years.

Its just that we don't know anything because its just practice and we have no idea what the coaches were asking the players to work on. Ade Jimoh would never start in a regular season game....heck..he may not make the team. Gibbs might run 100 passing plays in the scrimmage and 10 running plays just to put more pressure on the offensive line and Patrick. We just don't know what they were trying to accomplish. It certainly wasn't WINNING, because its not a game...its practice.

One thing is for sure, the Ravens have the top defense in many fantasy leagues when it comes to turnovers and blitzing that causes fumbles and int's. So Gibbs probably took advantage of that by calling so many pass plays. The Ravens have GREAT corners and extremely fast blitzing linebackers. This was great experience for our offensive line and for Patrick. Thats for certain.

Is there a whole lot to work on? Definately. Like getting the receivers on the same page with Patrick when a bltiz is coming. Being able to hit a dump off reciever during an all out blitz. But thats why they call it practice.

Did Patrick stare down his receiver? I don't know. The announcer seem to thing so. But let the coaches worry about that. Perhaps Gibbs told Patrick to do that on some plays to see if the receiver could still get seperation. I have no idea. But the coaches do. I think maybe I'll wait until we get to at LEAST the 2nd pre-season game against Cincy so that Patrick will have 1 scrimmage and 1 pre season game behind him to gain at least a tiny bit of cohesion with his receivers. Plus, Portis will be 100% by then and the running game will take some of that heat off of the QB.

[BurgundyNGold]

Who'd cambell throw a td to?
I think it was Steven Harris, a rookie WR out of Arkansas.

[BurgundyNGold]

Well here is what you need to understand. Not only wasn't it a REAL game, but it wasn't a game at all. Its practice. There is no game planning and the first team starters aren't even playing together.

Sure, you have Ray Lewis and Sean Taylor all over the field making plays, because they are Superstar type players. Marcus Washington seems to have made an impact in the short time he was in because he is that type of player also. Of course the Skins are missing Arrington so we didn't have the benefit of hearing if he would have made an impact.

But there is nothing for fans to gain from a scrimmage except for perhaps the thrill of seeing players on the field. Only the coaches know what was trying to be accomplished with plays, ext. Perhaps Patrick was given 7 new plays to run because the coaches wanted to see if they were worth keeping. Maybe Patrick was having a hard time adjusting to the game speed with fast receivers after having played with slow receivers for 2 years.

Its just that we don't know anything because its just practice and we have no idea what the coaches were asking the players to work on. Ade Jimoh would never start in a regular season game....heck..he may not make the team. Gibbs might run 100 passing plays in the scrimmage and 10 running plays just to put more pressure on the offensive line and Patrick. We just don't know what they were trying to accomplish. It certainly wasn't WINNING, because its not a game...its practice.

One thing is for sure, the Ravens have the top defense in many fantasy leagues when it comes to turnovers and blitzing that causes fumbles and int's. So Gibbs probably took advantage of that by calling so many pass plays. The Ravens have GREAT corners and extremely fast blitzing linebackers. This was great experience for our offensive line and for Patrick. Thats for certain.

Is there a whole lot to work on? Definately. Like getting the receivers on the same page with Patrick when a bltiz is coming. Being able to hit a dump off reciever during an all out blitz. But thats why they call it practice.

Did Patrick stare down his receiver? I don't know. The announcer seem to thing so. But let the coaches worry about that. Perhaps Gibbs told Patrick to do that on some plays to see if the receiver could still get seperation. I have no idea. But the coaches do. I think maybe I'll wait until we get to at LEAST the 2nd pre-season game against Cincy so that Patrick will have 1 scrimmage and 1 pre season game behind him to gain at least a tiny bit of cohesion with his receivers. Plus, Portis will be 100% by then and the running game will take some of that heat off of the QB.
It was ex-players who thought so. Charles Mann and Brian Mitchell both noted that Ramsey stared down Patten on that play. They also noted that his throws were late and that he was not throwing before the receiver broke for the ball.

It's only a scrimmage, but it sounds like a lot of the same old, same old out of Ramsey. If I were you, I'd should start digging my trenches now, Rick. I think it might be a long season for Patrick and as he goes, so does the Redskins.

[skinfan43]

Well here is what you need to understand. Not only wasn't it a REAL game, but it wasn't a game at all. Its practice. There is no game planning and the first team starters aren't even playing together.

Sure, you have Ray Lewis and Sean Taylor all over the field making plays, because they are Superstar type players. Marcus Washington seems to have made an impact in the short time he was in because he is that type of player also. Of course the Skins are missing Arrington so we didn't have the benefit of hearing if he would have made an impact.

But there is nothing for fans to gain from a scrimmage except for perhaps the thrill of seeing players on the field. Only the coaches know what was trying to be accomplished with plays, ext. Perhaps Patrick was given 7 new plays to run because the coaches wanted to see if they were worth keeping. Maybe Patrick was having a hard time adjusting to the game speed with fast receivers after having played with slow receivers for 2 years.

Its just that we don't know anything because its just practice and we have no idea what the coaches were asking the players to work on. Ade Jimoh would never start in a regular season game....heck..he may not make the team. Gibbs might run 100 passing plays in the scrimmage and 10 running plays just to put more pressure on the offensive line and Patrick. We just don't know what they were trying to accomplish. It certainly wasn't WINNING, because its not a game...its practice.

One thing is for sure, the Ravens have the top defense in many fantasy leagues when it comes to turnovers and blitzing that causes fumbles and int's. So Gibbs probably took advantage of that by calling so many pass plays. The Ravens have GREAT corners and extremely fast blitzing linebackers. This was great experience for our offensive line and for Patrick. Thats for certain.

Is there a whole lot to work on? Definately. Like getting the receivers on the same page with Patrick when a bltiz is coming. Being able to hit a dump off reciever during an all out blitz. But thats why they call it practice.

Did Patrick stare down his receiver? I don't know. The announcer seem to thing so. But let the coaches worry about that. Perhaps Gibbs told Patrick to do that on some plays to see if the receiver could still get seperation. I have no idea. But the coaches do. I think maybe I'll wait until we get to at LEAST the 2nd pre-season game against Cincy so that Patrick will have 1 scrimmage and 1 pre season game behind him to gain at least a tiny bit of cohesion with his receivers. Plus, Portis will be 100% by then and the running game will take some of that heat off of the QB.
Valid assesment - but I'd hope that nobody on here would put too much emphasis on what was seen today, it was great just to have the FEEL of Redskins football BACK AGAIN! :)

[akhhorus]

It was ex-players who thought so. Charles Mann and Brian Mitchell both noted that Ramsey stared down Patten on that play. They also noted that his throws were late and that he was not throwing before the receiver broke for the ball.

It's only a scrimmage, but it sounds like a lot of the same old, same old out of Ramsey. If I were you, I'd should start digging my trenches now, Rick. I think it might be a long season for Patrick and as he goes, so does the Redskins.

Ramsey has stared down wideouts his whole career, he's not going to make the pro bowl doing that this year. He might not stay the starter for the season doing that. I know its just a scrimmage, and I would like to see Ramsey in some games, but it doesn't sound like Ramsey is learning anything. And he can't blame Spurrier now. And COUNCILMAN/REAL RICK is already showing his new theme for the season: Ramsey apologist. It was Gibbs' fault that Ramsey stared too long at the wideout. :rolleyes:

[BurgundyNGold]

Ramsey has stared down wideouts his whole career, he's not going to make the pro bowl doing that this year. He might not stay the starter for the season doing that. I know its just a scrimmage, and I would like to see Ramsey in some games, but it doesn't sound like Ramsey is learning anything. And he can't blame Spurrier now. And COUNCILMAN/REAL RICK is already showing his new theme for the season: Ramsey apologist. It was Gibbs' fault that Ramsey stared too long at the wideout. :rolleyes:
Why do you have to bring facts into all of this? :D

[skinfan43]

Ramsey has stared down wideouts his whole career, he's not going to make the pro bowl doing that this year. He might not stay the starter for the season doing that. I know its just a scrimmage, and I would like to see Ramsey in some games, but it doesn't sound like Ramsey is learning anything. And he can't blame Spurrier now. And COUNCILMAN/REAL RICK is already showing his new theme for the season: Ramsey apologist. It was Gibbs' fault that Ramsey stared too long at the wideout. :rolleyes:
I think I read on Redskins.com that Ramsey said that the Jedi Mind Trick was most helpful for his receivers during his years at Tulane, he's just been trying to 'kick it up a notch' for the NFL game...

[ihatedallas]

Staring down a reciever is probabally the worst thing you can do as a qb, becuase it results in alot of interceptions...If this doesnt get resolved we're not getting down field with our jeyspeed wideouts...

[JoeDaSchmoe]

A few excuses (luckily, some of them are pretty good excuses) for the scrimmage:

1. It's August-friggin-sixth.
2. The Ravens are, if not the outright best, one of the top five defenses in the league. Not exactly an easy way to starto ut the season.
3. Both starting receivers are new.
4. Reports from other scrimmages that were on TV are similar... a lot of first-string offenses, even ones with as much firepower as Green Bay, just aren't looking hot right now.
5. It's August-friggin-sixth.

Granted, we all would have been much happier with a dominant performance today. But let's not blow anything out of proportion.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I agree Joe..... but former players stating that he throws late and stares down receivers isnt exactly good news IMO, August 6th or not. They sure didnt say that about campbell, instead it was all positive. Ramseys in his second year under Gibbs and his 4th alltogether, Campbell shouldnt look better than him, scrimmage or not.

[Skinsguy1]

Hey guys, just got back from the scrimmage...thought i'd share my thoughts...


1) Thumbs up to the Skins fans who must have made up about a 3rd of the crowd of the 35,000.

2) I thought our special teams looked very good. Tupa seems to be on his game, and Antonio Brown in my opinion looks like he may very well be our primary return man on both punts and kicks, at least I've been impressed with him.

3) When Ramsey was back in the shotgun he just seems a lot more comfortable and I think this is essential to his success this year. So far this offseason I havn't seen real shades of greatness to come for the season, but IMO the best completion he had was to patten out of the shotgun.

4) Any word on Shawn Springs because he did not play during the 11 on 11 scrimmage?

I really do'nt have to much analysis because I am just not trying to look to much into this offseason. I am sure what we used out there today was a totally scaled back and very very basic version of things to come.

[whitskins]

I agree Joe..... but former players stating that he throws late and stares down receivers isnt exactly good news IMO, August 6th or not. They sure didnt say that about campbell, instead it was all positive. Ramseys in his second year under Gibbs and his 4th alltogether, Campbell shouldnt look better than him, scrimmage or not.

But Campbell played against third stringers and undrafted free agents and had at least two balls that could have or should have been picked. I don't think it's a fair comparisson yet.

It's too early to judge Ramsey on just ten passes, and I think there was a drop or two that happened there as well. The sacks annoy me though. But these guys have only been practicing for 6 days. Over the next month we should see steady improvement.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I hope your right Whitskins, I like Ramsey and i want him to succeed but he's left me wanting the last few seasons.

[suppitty]

Got back an hour agao, here's my report:
-The offense sucked, but I guess that is to be expected this early, and when we are playing the Ravens.
-Ramsey overthrew everyone as usual, and Brunell underthrew people, including one that led to an int. The offense really went nowhere.
-Marshall was beaten several times over the middle in the 7X7 drills.
-Antonio Brown found ways to get open, and had a number of catches.
-None of the other receivers did much of anything.
-Jason Campbell looked awful, but he was playing with nobody, and he has only been in the NFL for a week.

[BurgundyNGold]

But Campbell played against third stringers and undrafted free agents and had at least two balls that could have or should have been picked. I don't think it's a fair comparisson yet.

It's too early to judge Ramsey on just ten passes, and I think there was a drop or two that happened there as well. The sacks annoy me though. But these guys have only been practicing for 6 days. Over the next month we should see steady improvement.
No, Sean Taylor has only been practicing for 6 days. Everybody else has been practicing for 4 or 5 months. He should at least know when and where to throw the ball.

[redskin_rich]

That had to be the worst broadcast I ever listened to. They had what seemed like a dozen different people miked up and you had to listen between all their rambling for someone to shout out a play that just happened.
Oh and Larry Michael is a total waste, bring back Herzog.


I can't wait until next Saturday when I can watch the Skins with my own eyes.

[BurgundyNGold]

A few excuses (luckily, some of them are pretty good excuses) for the scrimmage:

1. It's August-friggin-sixth.
2. The Ravens are, if not the outright best, one of the top five defenses in the league. Not exactly an easy way to starto ut the season.
3. Both starting receivers are new.
4. Reports from other scrimmages that were on TV are similar... a lot of first-string offenses, even ones with as much firepower as Green Bay, just aren't looking hot right now.
5. It's August-friggin-sixth.

Granted, we all would have been much happier with a dominant performance today. But let's not blow anything out of proportion.
I understand, Joe, but allow me to retort:

1. Patrick should still know not to lock onto receivers and how to throw accurately.
2. Patrick should still know not to lock onto receivers and how to throw accurately.
3. Patrick should still know not to lock onto receivers and how to throw accurately.
4. Patrick should still know not to lock onto receivers and how to throw accurately.
5. Patrick should still know not to lock onto receivers and how to throw accurately.

August 6th or not, I expect that, at a minimum, a QB can throw on time and accurately. If you cannot do that, all of the other stuff -- reading the defense, field generalship, all of that -- is meaningless.

[skins74]

Jimoh beat for a TD.


Wow, what a suprise he never gets burned. He is the best corner I have ever seen. He should also play reciever and quarterback. I think he is the best player on the whole team. I love you Ade Jimoh.

[skins74]

I understand, Joe, but allow me to retort:

1. Patrick should still know not to lock onto receivers and how to throw accurately.
2. Patrick should still know not to lock onto receivers and how to throw accurately.
3. Patrick should still know not to lock onto receivers and how to throw accurately.
4. Patrick should still know not to lock onto receivers and how to throw accurately.
5. Patrick should still know not to lock onto receivers and how to throw accurately.

August 6th or not, I expect that, at a minimum, a QB can throw on time and accurately. If you cannot do that, all of the other stuff -- reading the defense, field generalship, all of that -- is meaningless.

Ramsey has to stop doing that. I still blame SS for this. Ramsey is damaged goods because of that yahoo.

[whitskins]

No, Sean Taylor has only been practicing for 6 days. Everybody else has been practicing for 4 or 5 months. He should at least know when and where to throw the ball.

Training camp practices and OTA practices aren't even close. OTAs are hardly sufficient work to expect an offense to go out and run smoothly in the first week of August. I believe Ramsey was 1-4 on his early passes then settled in a bit and went 4-6. I also remember there being at least one drop by Patten. This is also the Ravens defense we're talking about, not our scout team.

He didn't do bad and he didn't do great, I think it's definitely too early to get worked up about a scrimmage after one week of training camp.

[silverspring]

Got back an hour agao, here's my report:
-The offense sucked, but I guess that is to be expected this early, and when we are playing the Ravens.
-Ramsey overthrew everyone as usual, and Brunell underthrew people, including one that led to an int. The offense really went nowhere.
-Marshall was beaten several times over the middle in the 7X7 drills.
-Antonio Brown found ways to get open, and had a number of catches.
-None of the other receivers did much of anything.
-Jason Campbell looked awful, but he was playing with nobody, and he has only been in the NFL for a week.

Interesting sounds like none of our qbs really looked too good, it is early and these days we have a super long preseason to help them prepare so lets give them that time.

We should keep in mind that gibb's offense last year was horrendously horribly bad, we can't expect to go from crap to great just because they haven't played in several months and got some new WRs. Additionally, it sounds like gibbs has made significant adjustments and it will take the players time to learn these adjustments. I don't think we can make many significant judgements until a couple games of preseason have been played.

[NCskinsfanatic]

August 6th or not, I expect that, at a minimum, a QB can throw on time and accurately. If you cannot do that, all of the other stuff -- reading the defense, field generalship, all of that -- is meaningless.

I have to agree with this statement for the most part, however It's still early and if our perception is a reality, then I'm pretty sure Joe and Musgrave will address it. Ultimately it's up to Ramsey to correct though, Joe and the O coordinater can only do so much.

[redskin_rich]

I think some people are already going into panic mode. Take a deep breath and calm down.
Understand that the plays they are and will be running in all these exhibitions are not plays that they practice in private, nor will they be run when the season starts. Everyone, fans and sportswriters alike, that have watched practices this week have said that both Ramsey and Campbell have looked good and accurate.

Some of our best seasons came after dreadful preseasons. I think Gibbs likes to make the team look bad in the preseason myself.

[PennSkinsFan]

Interesting sounds like none of our qbs really looked too good, it is early and these days we have a super long preseason to help them prepare so lets give them that time.

We should keep in mind that gibb's offense last year was horrendously horribly bad, we can't expect to go from crap to great just because they haven't played in several months and got some new WRs. Additionally, it sounds like gibbs has made significant adjustments and it will take the players time to learn these adjustments. I don't think we can make many significant judgements until a couple games of preseason have been played.

I agree. They have been in Camp one week, they are learning alot of adjustments from last season, there was not much running at all. Please remember that folks. Portis did not run the ball, therefore open up the passing game. Please relax. Don't read into it mor ethan what it was, a scimmage.

[skinslover]

4) Any word on Shawn Springs because he did not play during the 11 on 11 scrimmage?
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he tweaked his hamstring

[GibbsFan]

Some of our best seasons came after dreadful preseasons. I think Gibbs likes to make the team look bad in the preseason myself.

Yup, I used to think the same thing. But I'm guessing Joe is looking to get Patrick into some kind of groove. I hope he gets the entire 1st half against the Panthers, because he needs it. Give Brunell 1 series, and then Campbell the rest.

Ram looked Ok at camp, but the accuracy is still questionable. Maybe its because he is trying to throw with a little more touch, and its exhibition season so I won't really worry.

Plus, I think you have to give the first 2 real games before panic time. Fortunately, the D & ST look good enough to give even more time.

[BurgundyNGold]

Training camp practices and OTA practices aren't even close. OTAs are hardly sufficient work to expect an offense to go out and run smoothly in the first week of August. I believe Ramsey was 1-4 on his early passes then settled in a bit and went 4-6. I also remember there being at least one drop by Patten. This is also the Ravens defense we're talking about, not our scout team.

He didn't do bad and he didn't do great, I think it's definitely too early to get worked up about a scrimmage after one week of training camp.
There is no contact in the OTAs, that's true. But receivers still run routes and QBs still throw passes to them -- for MONTHS. Is it too much to ask for the QB to learn to get the ball there on time? Sometimes that means throwing it before the break. Patrick wasn't doing that well if at all. It also means putting the ball where it needs to be, which apparently he wasn't doing particularly well either.

All I'm saying is that the assessments the ex-players were making sounded a whole lot like the Ramsey of years past. If he doesn't get better than that, then our prospects for a playoff berth go south real quick.

[wewantdallas]

I think some people are already going into panic mode. Take a deep breath and calm down.
Understand that the plays they are and will be running in all these exhibitions are not plays that they practice in private, nor will they be run when the season starts. Everyone, fans and sportswriters alike, that have watched practices this week have said that both Ramsey and Campbell have looked good and accurate.

Some of our best seasons came after dreadful preseasons. I think Gibbs likes to make the team look bad in the preseason myself.

I agree with this post for the most part, and especially hope the last paragraph rings true this year. I have faith that it will.

But the Ravens were running the same basic plays during this scrimmage, and they looked very sharp for the most part, completing a variety of passes, and especially the long balls.

I have to say - and I KNOW it's just a scrimmage - but I was very disappointed in the performance out there today, particularly by Ramsey. I wasn't looking for the kid to light up the sky, I just wanted to see some strong leadership and good decision-making, etc. He didn't show me any of that today. The first pass he threw was something you'd expect from Campbell at this point, but not Ramsey - a terrible, terrible telegraphed heave to Cooley that landed right in the hands of Lewis.

I don't want to read too much into this, either, but the team really seems to have a lot of work to do on offense. I was expecting a much crisper effort. Honestly, not much worked at all the whole day.

The bright spots for me - Brunell looked sharp. He did slightly underthrow the receiver on the long pick, but his shorter passes were very crisp and right on target.

And Campbell - he made a few bad decisions and bad throws as well, but I was impressed with his composure in the pocket and his ability to step up and avoid the rush at times. There's just something about him that seems to inspire confidence. He seems very confident in himself.

So, I'm not going to lose too much sleep over this one, but I"m certainly not going to sleep EASY. I expected a lot more from Ramsey, and he better show something completely different next weekend or the controversy talk is going to start heating up early, and that's the last thing this team needs.

Again, not asking for him to look like a pro bowler at this point - just want him to look respectable and like he knows what he's doing and is leading the offense in a capable manner. Today, none of that was the case.

[redskin_rich]

WWD, the broadcasters stated right from the beginning that B-more was more into this scrimmage and the Skins seemed lethargic and disinterested. This was echoed a few times during the broadcast.

Would you agree with that assessment?

To me, it makes sense since it was an exhibition in their stadium. Over the years watching preseason football, I have noticed that the home team usually puts more into the game than the visitor.

[wewantdallas]

WWD, the broadcasters stated right from the beginning that B-more was more into this scrimmage and the Skins seemed lethargic and disinterested. This was echoed a few times during the broadcast.

Would you agree with that assessment?

To me, it makes sense since it was an exhibition in their stadium. Over the years watching preseason football, I have noticed that the home team usually puts more into the game than the visitor.

I would definitely agree with the Skins seeming lethargic and disinterested, and it's quite possible that the Ravens were more into it, but, honestly, I didn't see the Ravens as being very emotional either, and the crowd was really no factor at all. There were tons of Skins fans there, probably a third or close to it, and it was so hot that the crowd was pretty quiet for pretty much the whole affair.

I don't know, it just seemed to me that the Ravens were more sure of what they were doing out there, especially on offense. Billick said that he was pleased with the leadership and poise Boller showed, and that's exactly what I was hoping Gibbs would have the opportunity to say about Ramsey.

I think the team needs to have their butts kicked for this performance. I'd like to see Gibbs show a little anger like he did in '91 in that infamous "Playboy?? Playboy??" interview with Steve Buckhantz.

Again, like you I don't want to get too carried away here, but with all the talk of a revamped offense, all I saw out there was confusion and the same old dink and dunk stuff, and even THAT didn't work most of the time. (I know they were barely showing anything, but neither were the Ravens, and they got the ball downfield on simple patterns.) I'm just disappointed in the effort, but it's so early that there's plenty of time to correct it.

But I truly am worried about Ramsey. That first pass he threw (the pick) can't be blamed on pressure. He had plenty of time, just stared Cooley down from the moment the ball was snapped, lobbed it right into the hands of Lewis. Those are the kinds of bad decisions that I think are really hard to overcome if a quarterback gets stuck in that rut.

I'm not coming to any conclusion on Ramsey at all at this point. He does have a whole new receiving corp., etc., but he's GOT to stop those bone-headed throws that he's got no business making at this point. Here's hoping that all this is forgotten after next week's game.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i got to the scrimmage when our second team D was out there (even then i wasnt seated until about twenty minutes or so) so i didnt get a chance to see pat with the 1st team. i didnt have a program so i didnt even knew who half the guys out there were at some points, lol. i was aware, however, of #23 being toasted AGAIN. :rolleyes:

overall, the offense i saw was putrid. very few runs....brunell looked okay, but most of his attempts were short. his only really long throw resulted in an INT. i understand that he threw it because he had single coverage, but to antonio brown? im taller than he is! and the corner that covering (very tightly) him had at least 5 inches on him.

i liked what i saw from jason campbell as far as accuracy, poise and arm strength goes, although he need make some questionable decisions. like someone else mentioned though, most of those guys out there playing for him will end up working at blockbuster or walgreens soon enough. its definitely no time to panic, but the offense still is a work in progress. thank goodness we still have about 6 weeks until the games count.

btw-here is a very bad pic from my seat from my camera phone: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/rachay/Image021.jpg

[whitskins]

There is no contact in the OTAs, that's true. But receivers still run routes and QBs still throw passes to them -- for MONTHS. Is it too much to ask for the QB to learn to get the ball there on time? Sometimes that means throwing it before the break. Patrick wasn't doing that well if at all. It also means putting the ball where it needs to be, which apparently he wasn't doing particularly well either.

All I'm saying is that the assessments the ex-players were making sounded a whole lot like the Ramsey of years past. If he doesn't get better than that, then our prospects for a playoff berth go south real quick.

He got 3 points in two drives, just like the Ravens did. He was actually 5 of 8 today, not 5 of 10 like I said earlier. It sounds like the INT he threw in 7 on 7 was awful but he did go on to throw 3 more TDs in that drill including two straight. I share your concerns but not to the same degree.

Yeah Ramsey and the WRs have had months to work on timing and throwing and routes, etc, but the Ravens have probably the most talented defense in the NFL, that throws a kink into things after only 5 days of practice in pads. I'm much more concerned about an O-line that gave up 4 sacks today than I am about Patrick. As PSF has stated a few times, we didn't run the ball more than 3 times and didn't use Portis at all. These things all have an effect.

The scrimmage was tied 3-3 when the first teams left the field. Where we got killed was with the second teams when our offense appeared to be victimized by drops (I read Kevin Dyson dropped a 52 yard bomb in the end zone). It would have been nice to drive the field and put up TDs but Rome wasn't built in a day... or five days :)

[redskin_rich]

I would definitely agree with the Skins seeming lethargic and disinterested, and it's quite possible that the Ravens were more into it, but, honestly, I didn't see the Ravens as being very emotional either, and the crowd was really no factor at all. There were tons of Skins fans there, probably a third or close to it, and it was so hot that the crowd was pretty quiet for pretty much the whole affair.

I don't know, it just seemed to me that the Ravens were more sure of what they were doing out there, especially on offense. Billick said that he was pleased with the leadership and poise Boller showed, and that's exactly what I was hoping Gibbs would have the opportunity to say about Ramsey.

I think the team needs to have their butts kicked for this performance. I'd like to see Gibbs show a little anger like he did in '91 in that infamous "Playboy?? Playboy??" interview with Steve Buckhantz.

Again, like you I don't want to get too carried away here, but with all the talk of a revamped offense, all I saw out there was confusion and the same old dink and dunk stuff, and even THAT didn't work most of the time. (I know they were barely showing anything, but neither were the Ravens, and they got the ball downfield on simple patterns.) I'm just disappointed in the effort, but it's so early that there's plenty of time to correct it.

But I truly am worried about Ramsey. That first pass he threw (the pick) can't be blamed on pressure. He had plenty of time, just stared Cooley down from the moment the ball was snapped, lobbed it right into the hands of Lewis. Those are the kinds of bad decisions that I think are really hard to overcome if a quarterback gets stuck in that rut.

I'm not coming to any conclusion on Ramsey at all at this point. He does have a whole new receiving corp., etc., but he's GOT to stop those bone-headed throws that he's got no business making at this point. Here's hoping that all this is forgotten after next week's game.
Thanks for giving your assessment WWD, I regard your opinions a lot more than press coverage I have read and heard.
Now that the first week of TC is done, I think Gibbs should get hard on these guys this week. After a week where practice seemed easy, at least to me, and every body seemed comfortable, its time to get serious. Gut check time, if you will.
Its time that the players are reminded that they were a 6-10 team last year and the status quo ain't gonna fly. If they want to be a better team, it is going to take hard work.

Again, I see no reason to get worried yet but I think todays performance should wake the players up to the fact that just showing up will not cut it.

[bwparker]

He got 3 points in two drives, just like the Ravens did. He was actually 5 of 8 today, not 5 of 10 like I said earlier. It sounds like the INT he threw in 7 on 7 was awful but he did go on to throw 3 more TDs in that drill including two straight. I share your concerns but not to the same degree.

Yeah Ramsey and the WRs have had months to work on timing and throwing and routes, etc, but the Ravens have probably the most talented defense in the NFL, that throws a kink into things after only 5 days of practice in pads. I'm much more concerned about an O-line that gave up 4 sacks today than I am about Patrick. As PSF has stated a few times, we didn't run the ball more than 3 times and didn't use Portis at all. These things all have an effect.

The scrimmage was tied 3-3 when the first teams left the field. Where we got killed was with the second teams when our offense appeared to be victimized by drops (I read Kevin Dyson dropped a 52 yard bomb in the end zone). It would have been nice to drive the field and put up TDs but Rome wasn't built in a day... or five days :)
Good to see somebody got a positive impression from the day :D

[bwparker]

Yup, I used to think the same thing. But I'm guessing Joe is looking to get Patrick into some kind of groove. I hope he gets the entire 1st half against the Panthers, because he needs it. Give Brunell 1 series, and then Campbell the rest.

Ram looked Ok at camp, but the accuracy is still questionable. Maybe its because he is trying to throw with a little more touch, and its exhibition season so I won't really worry.

Plus, I think you have to give the first 2 real games before panic time. Fortunately, the D & ST look good enough to give even more time.
Don't starters tend to get more time at the END of preseason, rather than begining? I think Pat will get 1-2 series then they'll start throwing in backups to find out who they are gonna cut.

[BandWagon]

I was there today with WWD, so I won't really repeat what he said. But everyone should know that DMac played special teams today and looked pretty good. He was pretty much the 2nd or 3rd guy to get to the ball carrier each time. He shed blocks pretty well and got downfield very quickly..somewhat like Thrash is able to do.

Second comment is that Ravens were much sharper. Assuming both offenses were "watered" down the same amount, then they just out played us. I was expecting to similar effectiveness of offenses and I also expected our defense to do more...however, we were resting many of our defensive starters whereas the Ravens were not...so perhaps that has something to do with it.

Ade Jimoh just got used today. It wasn't even funny. Our field goal was a gift...I didn't see that mentioned, but apparently the rules called for a 40 yard attempt at the end of each possession. We were nowhere near field goal range at the end of that drive.

We ran a ton of 3 receiver sets and Nemo had a 15 yard carry at one point. That guy continues to impress.

I think that covers the other stuff...I'll add more later if I remember anything.

Oh yeah, Jason Campbell...let me try to bring some clarity to the various comments about him. He made some rookie throws, plain and simple. He also made a brilliant sideline out pattern pass that I thought for sure was going to be picked. But what I think was most impressive was his composure and presence in the pocket. He never seemed to get "rattled" and moved freely and fluidly in the pocket, buying time to make his throw. The guy definitely seems to have "something" about him. I guess will know more as we get into preseason.

[sdredskinsfan]

Thanks for the assessments WWD and BW. I will look forward to these assessments and others' after the pre-season game, since I won't be able to see the game live here in flakesville. Hope there is noticeable improvement in our play.

[redskin_rich]

I was there today with WWD, so I won't really repeat what he said. But everyone should know that DMac played special teams today and looked pretty good. He was pretty much the 2nd or 3rd guy to get to the ball carrier each time. He shed blocks pretty well and got downfield very quickly..somewhat like Thrash is able to do.

Second comment is that Ravens were much sharper. Assuming both offenses were "watered" down the same amount, then they just out played us. I was expecting to similar effectiveness of offenses and I also expected our defense to do more...however, we were resting many of our defensive starters whereas the Ravens were not...so perhaps that has something to do with it.

Ade Jimoh just got used today. It wasn't even funny. Our field goal was a gift...I didn't see that mentioned, but apparently the rules called for a 40 yard attempt at the end of each possession. We were nowhere near field goal range at the end of that drive.

We ran a ton of 3 receiver sets and Nemo had a 15 yard carry at one point. That guy continues to impress.

I think that covers the other stuff...I'll add more later if I remember anything.
Thanks BandWagon for giving us more info. I can't stress enough how bad WJFK's coverage was today.
Good to hear about Nemo, I was impressed with him in practice the other day. We got no info on running plays from the coverage other than a lazy, "skins try to run and are stopped."

[BandWagon]

updated my post above with this:

Oh yeah, Jason Campbell...let me try to bring some clarity to the various comments about him. He made some rookie throws, plain and simple. He also made a brilliant sideline out pattern pass that I thought for sure was going to be picked. But what I think was most impressive was his composure and presence in the pocket. He never seemed to get "rattled" and moved freely and fluidly in the pocket, buying time to make his throw. The guy definitely seems to have "something" about him. I guess will know more as we get into preseason.

And that kid from Princeton. He's small and probably won't make the roster, but he comes to play. He appeared to out-play McCune in my opinion...as both were on the field together.

[dabro]

...Its time that the players are reminded that they were a 6-10 team last year and the status quo ain't gonna fly. If they want to be a better team, it is going to take hard work.

Actually, the coaches are going to love this, because it will give them a chance to show the players that by not doing what they are being taught, they can't win. Just remember, it's a scrimmage and a chance to learn.

[MWballer]

I wasnt at the scrimmage or nothing but maybe the ravens(boller) 1st team looked sharper than ours because they were playing against our 2nd string corners. Neither Springs, Harris or Rogers played today while the Ravens prolly started Deion, McCallister and Rolle(idk who they started for sure i wasnt there).

Infact who did start for us at corner?

[BurgundyNGold]

I wasnt at the scrimmage or nothing but maybe the ravens(boller) 1st team looked sharper than ours because they were playing against our 2nd string corners. Neither Springs, Harris or Rogers played today while the Ravens prolly started Deion, McCallister and Rolle(idk who they started for sure i wasnt there).

Infact who did start for us at corner?
If I'm not mistaken [gulp] Ade Jimoh started at corner.

[The Iceman]

I wasnt at the scrimmage or nothing but maybe the ravens(boller) 1st team looked sharper than ours because they were playing against our 2nd string corners. Neither Springs, Harris or Rogers played today while the Ravens prolly started Deion, McCallister and Rolle(idk who they started for sure i wasnt there).

Infact who did start for us at corner?
I'm not sure, but I know deion started, as he picked up 2 sacks! I am so damn excited about this season, I sence big things for this offense. You aren't going to be able to hold Joe Gibbs down for long.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm not sure, but I know deion started, as he picked up 2 sacks! I am so damn excited about this season, I sence big things for this offense. You aren't going to be able to hold Joe Gibbs down for long.
You know its a scrimmage if Deion gets 2 sacks. In the regular season, they don't give sacks or tackles for his symbolic attempts. :D

[The Iceman]

You know its a scrimmage if Deion gets 2 sacks. In the regular season, they don't give sacks or tackles for his symbolic attempts. :D
From what I read, one of the sacks he actually came in and tapped ramsey on the back. I really wish I lived in the area, I hate not getting to see things for myself!!!!! Then when I do get the news, I get three or four different versions. errrrrrrrrrrr

[gibbsisgod]

How shocking that Jimoh got beat for a TD......I hope he gets cut this year.

i agree

[redskinz#1fan]

A few excuses (luckily, some of them are pretty good excuses) for the scrimmage:

1. It's August-friggin-sixth.
2. The Ravens are, if not the outright best, one of the top five defenses in the league. Not exactly an easy way to starto ut the season.
3. Both starting receivers are new.
4. Reports from other scrimmages that were on TV are similar... a lot of first-string offenses, even ones with as much firepower as Green Bay, just aren't looking hot right now.
5. It's August-friggin-sixth.

Granted, we all would have been much happier with a dominant performance today. But let's not blow anything out of proportion.

That is exactly how I feel also. I would have loved to been sitting here in fornt of the computer reading how Ramsey and the other QB's were scoring so much that the ravens called the scrimmage. But that didn't happen & I really don't care. These guys will get their sh*t together before the season starts. You can believe that!!!!!!!!!! Gibbs won't have it any other way!

[The Iceman]

i agree
I hope I go back in time and he gets cut last year!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[redskinz#1fan]

I can't wait until next Saturday when I can watch the Skins with my own eyes.


AMEN!

[redwolf1218]

wow. depressing. i did not see the scrimmage, but the majority of what i'm reading here sounds like a lot of homer excuses for poor play.

[redwolf1218]

someone said the Ravens' offenes outplayed our's? one of the worst offenses in recent memory against our vaunted defense and they outplayed our offense? that doesnt sound good at all.

[The Iceman]

wow. depressing. i did not see the scrimmage, but the majority of what i'm reading here sounds like a lot of homer excuses for poor play.
yea, pretty much.. :(

[MWballer]

If I'm not mistaken [gulp] Ade Jimoh started at corner.

And what QB in any league wouldnt look good against Ade Jimoh. Id like to know how many completions they had on Jimohs side compared to Wilds side. And what ever happend to Rufus Brown(NFLE 5'9 corner for the skins) i havent heard anything about him?

[Ramsey2Moss]

It's a scrimmage. I'm not worried at all.
Those that are already calling for Ramsey's head, cool your jets.

[BurgundyNGold]

And what QB in any league wouldnt look good against Ade Jimoh. Id like to know how many completions they had on Jimohs side compared to Wilds side. And what ever happend to Rufus Brown(NFLE 5'9 corner for the skins) i havent heard anything about him?
The only completion that I know of has the TD. Then again, the announcers said he had two pass interference calls, as well.

[BurgundyNGold]

It's a scrimmage. I'm not worried at all.
Those that are already calling for Ramsey's head, cool your jets.
I don't think that anybody is calling for Ramsey's head so much as they would like to see him use it. He's got to stop telegraphing his passes.

[redwolf1218]

It's a scrimmage. I'm not worried at all.
Those that are already calling for Ramsey's head, cool your jets.
it would still be nice not to have to make so many excuses, if it's a scrimage.

[MWballer]

If yall are interested they got highlights of the game on www.redskins.com

[The Iceman]

I don't think that anybody is calling for Ramsey's head so much as they would like to see him use it. He's got to stop telegraphing his passes.
Slow down turbo. Ramsey is the equivelant of a rookie this year.

The way I see it, when he should have had his rookie year in 2001/2002, Steve Spurrier put him in reverse for 2 years. So after a year w/ Joe Gibbs last year, he has now earned back those lost years at a ratio of 2 to 1. This boost in experience is credited to Mr. Gibbs ofcourse. So, now he is back at flush. He has all the tools, IMO the "tools" includes the brains to get the job done.