Didn't Take Long for the Boo-Birds to Come Calling...

[dj_stouty]

Come on, Fed Ex! Whats the deal????

The first boos were heard after the Skins first offensive drive stalled. (Directed at Ramsey) The second boos were heard during the Skins' 2nd offensive series. (Directed at Ramsey) Boos were heard after both of Ramsey's INTS. Boos were heard after Rogers got burned on consecutive plays.

(And that was only the first half...)

It all started last year, when it was was "trendy" for those in attendance at Fed Ex to boo Mark Brunell. Everytime it happened, I would gaze over to the opponent's bench and see the players smile and laugh about it. At the time, I was wondering if it was an isolated case, or if a culture change had happened at Fed Ex. I think the later is the case.

It didn't take the fanbase any more than 3 minutes of game time, during the Skin's first homegame of the season, to start booing. 3 MINUTES into the home football schedule!

I wasn't even at the game...but the chorus of boos were very audible during the broadcast.

I understand the frustration of the fanbase. And many will argue that with ticket prices being as high as they are...and with so little succcess for the past decade that it is their right to boo. That may be, but please know that boo'ing Ramsey on his first drive isn't going to boost his already shaky confidence level. Boo'ing Rogers' first burn isn't going to "knock sense into him" and make him a better cornerback.

You guys know I have always been one of Ramsey's biggest critics. But I know that boo'ing the kid isn't going to make him better. Boo'ing him isn't going to make the team win any quicker. One thing boo'ing WILL do is give the Redskins fanbase a bad reputation. Philly has always been known as a fairweather fanbase. They cheer you on one play...and boo you on the next. We don't want to be like that! God forbid we morph into the type of fanbase that starts throwing snowballs or batteries at the opposing team bench...

So, PLEASE, refrain from boo'ing our guys next Friday when they play the Steelers. At least give them the preseason to get the kinks out. It makes the fanbase look pathetic.

[Biggie]

Agreed.

Although, from the shots of fans I saw during the game, I don't think they were even watching. I saw people smiling and waving at the cameras right after Ramsey threw a pick.

[PennSkinsFan]

Mark i do nto condone it either, but I understand it. There has been frustrating building over Ranmsey. He is a 4 year vet but has shown little consistency, still making rookie type bad decisions. I think the frustration may be a bit bigger this year because in essence,. Ramsey is the key to success and his play is casuing apprehension among the faithful. Skins fans do not want another losign season, now going in to two decades of losing. Ramsey is they key, and people are nervous about thwta they are seeing from him. I know I am.

[bgforever]

Agreed.

Although, from the shots of fans I saw during the game, I don't think they were even watching. I saw people smiling and waving at the cameras right after Ramsey threw a pick.

Never booed at the Skins in public! Same as slapping them.

It is aid and comfort for the opponent to enjoy you dismantling your team for them!. Better to yell "c'mon Pat, get the lead out", cause he'll hear that anyway right there, or something like, "shake it off Patrick!".

Boos are for bad calls, ignored calls and just downright officials reversing plays errorneously.

[Kope65]

God forbid we become like Philthadelphia fans. If we want Fed Ex to get a rep close to RFK ...it starts w/ us and our support for our team.

[redskin_rich]

Unfortunately, booing is not something new for Redskins fans. Its just more noticeable when there is more to boo than to cheer.
I've been going to Redskins games since the '70s and the only "culture change" or whatever is that there are more corporate types and less true fans at the games.

[skinsdude]

Mark i do nto condone it either, but I understand it. There has been frustrating building over Ranmsey. He is a 4 year vet but has shown little consistency, still making rookie type bad decisions. I think the frustration may be a bit bigger this year because in essence,. Ramsey is the key to success and his play is casuing apprehension among the faithful. Skins fans do not want another losign season, now going in to two decades of losing. Ramsey is they key, and people are nervous about thwta they are seeing from him. I know I am.

I'm with you 100%. At this point in Patrick's career he should be playing far more consistant and not making such poor throwing decisions. I feel that it would be a major mistake if Coach Gibbs does not let Mark play with the first team Friday against the Steelers. If Mark is playing better than Patrick with the first team then we need him in there when we tee it up against the Bears. Coach Gibbs should not be treating Patrick like he has the starting job, it should be an open competition because as you said, the QB position is our key to success. We are more than adequate at almost every other position (maybe a little thin at corner).

[Redskinmayhem]

Never booed at the Skins in public! Same as slapping them.

It is aid and comfort for the opponent to enjoy you dismantling your team for them!. Better to yell "c'mon Pat, get the lead out", cause he'll hear that anyway right there, or something like, "shake it off Patrick!".

Boos are for bad calls, ignored calls and just downright officials reversing plays errorneously.

I agree totally. Boo the opponent, not your team.

[joethefan]

Mark i do nto condone it either, but I understand it. There has been frustrating building over Ranmsey. He is a 4 year vet but has shown little consistency, still making rookie type bad decisions. I think the frustration may be a bit bigger this year because in essence,. Ramsey is the key to success and his play is casuing apprehension among the faithful. Skins fans do not want another losign season, now going in to two decades of losing. Ramsey is they key, and people are nervous about thwta they are seeing from him. I know I am.

frustrated aint the word....unbelievable is what I would call it.. :banghead: I would never boo...just be upset with them publically...

[bwparker]

I totally agree as well... I was at the game...cheering my head off and I got REAL pissed when people boo. I know it "the fans perogative" and whatnot, but it really just hurts the team. If something bad happens...I just go silent. Wait a down or two and then start cheering again, because thats my responsibility.

Btw...I have to work on my fandom endurance. I am a very loud person and can create very high decibel sounds, but I fade out by the middle of the second period. Get a pounding headache and a terribly raspy and painful voice. I think next game I'm gonna bring a box of advil and a bottle of Good ole 'Tussin. Along with some tea if I can sneak it in. Maybe I'll do some vocal warmups before the game too. I know thats a little...um...whats the politically correct term? "Faggy"? probably not. But a fans gotta do what a fans gotta do to help the team.

I'm not wasting my voice on boos.

...although I may waste some money on booze.

I think that was sufficiently off topic and rambling enough.
I'm going to stop.
now.
or now.
now.

[dj_stouty]

Unfortunately, booing is not something new for Redskins fans. Its just more noticeable when there is more to boo than to cheer.
I've been going to Redskins games since the '70s and the only "culture change" or whatever is that there are more corporate types and less true fans at the games.

I've been going to games at Fed Ex since 2000, and I don't ever recall the fans boo'ing as much as they did last year and as much as they did during this first home preseason game.

[whitskins]

The booing last week was freaking pathetic but I'm not surprised considering we've been one of the least successful franchises in the NFL over the last decade. I feel bad on one hand because I hate to see our fans boo but on the other hand I'm not feeling sympathy anymore for players who do not win.

I hope that this booing does not continue but the players can change a whole lot about the culture of this fanbase if they will just go out there and win some darn games for us. I refuse to believe that 95,000 Redskins fans cannot create a dominant environment if we're seeing a playoff caliber product out there. Fed Ex could be a deafening place to play if the team will just go out there and do their job to get the ball rolling...

[Keino]

While I always support a fan's right to voice his/her displeasure, I think it totally inappropriate to boo during a pre-season , especially our QB who we know has confidence issues.

[redskin_rich]

I've been going to games at Fed Ex since 2000, and I don't ever recall the fans boo'ing as much as they did last year and as much as they did during this first home preseason game.
I have mentioned this before and I'll bring it up again.
1992, the final preseason game against Minnesota. Mark Rypien's first game back after a lengthy holdout. Also his first home appearance since winning the Super Bowl and SBMVP.
As soon as he walks on the field, he is booed louder than I have ever heard at any game to this day. He stinks up the joint and is repeatedly booed throughout the game. It was the beginning of the end for him in DC.
It was shocking, since then nothing has surprised me.

[smoak]

I've gone on and on at length about how sick I am at the behavior of Redskins fans. I really don't want to bore everyone with another tirade, but it is just pathetic and sad. I will say that I will do my best to pump up section 439 when I am there... It will be loud and not from boo-ing.

[smoak]

While I always support a fan's right to voice his/her displeasure, I think it totally inappropriate to boo during a pre-season , especially our QB who we know has confidence issues.

So do we hand out cheat sheets to let fans know which players are fair game for a good boo-ing??? I am more against it b/c it helps the away team and hurts the home team. I have no problem with those who boo in the comfort of their own home.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Come on, Fed Ex! Whats the deal????

The first boos were heard after the Skins first offensive drive stalled. (Directed at Ramsey).

Probably the same group booing Brunell last season in favor of Ramsey.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Ramsey is they key, and people are nervous about thwta they are seeing from him. I know I am.

We are on the exact same page on this one buddy.

[STaylor#21]

Agreed.

Although, from the shots of fans I saw during the game, I don't think they were even watching. I saw people smiling and waving at the cameras right after Ramsey threw a pick.

I was at the game and I agree 100% that most of the fans were not even paying attention to the game. I am from the Pittsburgh area and have gone to several Steelers games and every fan in the house his focused 100% on the game which is not at all what I saw at FedEx. I love the skins and think it's sad when I see the "fans" in the lower level sections just there to socialize...this is not a high school football game. The real fans are up in the nosebleeds!

[smoak]

I was at the game and I agree 100% that most of the fans were not even paying attention to the game. I am from the Pittsburgh area and have gone to several Steelers games and every fan in the house his focused 100% on the game which is not at all what I saw at FedEx. I love the skins and think it's sad when I see the "fans" in the lower level sections just there to socialize...this is not a high school football game. The real fans are up in the nosebleeds!

Amen! Redskins fans used to be among the best in all of sports (from what I knew) and in some ways they are still good, but in other ways....

It is sad.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I'll admit, I booed Brunell in his game against the Packers. That's the one and only time I've booed a Skin. Last week, though, it was just sad. Boos all over the place when anything bad happened. And most people there weren't paying attention. Luckily, it seemed to me that a lot of the people there wouldn't have tickets for the regular season. The few real fans I saw were into it, thank God.

[dj_stouty]

It is sad.

It is sad. If you boo your favorite team, you might as well wear the opposing team jersey. You do nothing but give the opponent more confidence, while crushing what little is left of your favorite team's confidence.

[dj_stouty]

Luckily, it seemed to me that a lot of the people there wouldn't have tickets for the regular season.

I've noticed that as well. Lots of people give their tickets away to friends/family. Last year, the lower level concourse BAR behind the endzone looked like an upscale nightclub. Very young (and good looking) crowd that was only in attendance for the social aspect.

[Redskin-4-life]

Never booed at the Skins in public! Same as slapping them.

It is aid and comfort for the opponent to enjoy you dismantling your team for them!. Better to yell "c'mon Pat, get the lead out", cause he'll hear that anyway right there, or something like, "shake it off Patrick!".

Boos are for bad calls, ignored calls and just downright officials reversing plays errorneously.

I agree, booing the home team is the same as cheering for the visitors.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

we can complain all we want, but what can we do? we need to get a player to say something about this.

GREAT EXAMPLE: rememeber last year when wizards fans would boo Kwame Brown? Arenas said in the Post to NOT boo Kwame, and boo the other team. Sure enough, when the chicago bulls were at MCI, we were booing their players everytime they had the ball, and cheering for Kwame when he did nothing. Maybe one of the owners or whoever sees the redskins players a lot can ask them to do something like that

[Keino]

So do we hand out cheat sheets to let fans know which players are fair game for a good boo-ing??? I am more against it b/c it helps the away team and hurts the home team. I have no problem with those who boo in the comfort of their own home.

Well for example, if the Skins stink it up during the 1st half. I see booing as a good way to let em know they stunk it up. Thats appropriate. Booing a bad call, appropriate. Booing the decision to kick a FG instead of going for it on 4th & Inches is appropriate. Booing individual players, doesn't strike me as appropriate. Booing during pre-season is absolutely assinine IMO, because the pre-season is for working out the kinks. Often times on past Gibbs teams, the team went to the lockerroom to a chorus of boos, only to come out and play their butts off in the 2nd half. I disagree with the notion that it never serves as motivation and always helps the other team. BTW - What purpose does booing in your own home serve? Who gets to hear that you are not pleased with the current turn of events? Your wife? The family dog?

[whistleandthumb]

My god, we've become Iggle fans. It's pathetic. I've never been more embarrased as a fan, than I was listening to a stadium of boo's after ONE offensive drive in a PRESEASON game.

Booing at the stadium is unacceptable. Here's how you should look at it: If you think that when an under-performing player walks off the field, the coaches and teammates of said player are going to boo him to his face, then go ahead and boo. If, instead, you think they're going to pat him on the back, and encourage him to go back out there and do better, then maybe you shouldn't boo.

I find booing to be one of the greatest forms of cowarding. If you wouldn't stand in front of Ramsey, Samuels, Sean Taylor, etc. and tell them how much they suck to their face, then doing it from 300 feet away is just lame.

[bwparker]

Well for example, if the Skins stink it up during the 1st half. I see booing as a good way to let em know they stunk it up. Thats appropriate. Booing a bad call, appropriate. Booing the decision to kick a FG instead of going for it on 4th & Inches is appropriate. Booing individual players, doesn't strike me as appropriate. Booing during pre-season is absolutely assinine IMO, because the pre-season is for working out the kinks. Often times on past Gibbs teams, the team went to the lockerroom to a chorus of boos, only to come out and play their butts off in the 2nd half. I disagree with the notion that it never serves as motivation and always helps the other team. BTW - What purpose does booing in your own home serve? Who gets to hear that you are not pleased with the current turn of events? Your wife? The family dog?
I don't actually cheer for the team...I cheer for myself. I mean really. When I tell Patrick that he can do it, or tell Portis that he just had a nice run, or tell Chris Cooley that he's welcome to father my children...um...well anyway...when I cheer its not like they can actually hear ME. I'm aware that my cheers help them, but to me thats just a pleasant side effect. I don't think: "When is the best time to cheer to help the team?" I just cheer when I'm excited. I'm just talking to make myself feel good. Its exactly the same at home as it is at FedEx...albiet a little stranger.:D

[Chief Seeway]

Come on, Fed Ex! Whats the deal???? It makes the fanbase look pathetic.


I'd bet there are people around the league who would say that the fans know what they are talking (booing) about.

[Kanman21]

Come on, Fed Ex! Whats the deal????

The first boos were heard after the Skins first offensive drive stalled. (Directed at Ramsey) The second boos were heard during the Skins' 2nd offensive series. (Directed at Ramsey) Boos were heard after both of Ramsey's INTS. Boos were heard after Rogers got burned on consecutive plays.

(And that was only the first half...)

It all started last year, when it was was "trendy" for those in attendance at Fed Ex to boo Mark Brunell. Everytime it happened, I would gaze over to the opponent's bench and see the players smile and laugh about it. At the time, I was wondering if it was an isolated case, or if a culture change had happened at Fed Ex. I think the later is the case.

It didn't take the fanbase any more than 3 minutes of game time, during the Skin's first homegame of the season, to start booing. 3 MINUTES into the home football schedule!

I wasn't even at the game...but the chorus of boos were very audible during the broadcast.

I understand the frustration of the fanbase. And many will argue that with ticket prices being as high as they are...and with so little succcess for the past decade that it is their right to boo. That may be, but please know that boo'ing Ramsey on his first drive isn't going to boost his already shaky confidence level. Boo'ing Rogers' first burn isn't going to "knock sense into him" and make him a better cornerback.

You guys know I have always been one of Ramsey's biggest critics. But I know that boo'ing the kid isn't going to make him better. Boo'ing him isn't going to make the team win any quicker. One thing boo'ing WILL do is give the Redskins fanbase a bad reputation. Philly has always been known as a fairweather fanbase. They cheer you on one play...and boo you on the next. We don't want to be like that! God forbid we morph into the type of fanbase that starts throwing snowballs or batteries at the opposing team bench...

So, PLEASE, refrain from boo'ing our guys next Friday when they play the Steelers. At least give them the preseason to get the kinks out. It makes the fanbase look pathetic.


I definaltey agree. I'm tired of our own fans booing the players after a mistake. This is only the preseason and everybody is working kinks out. People need to relax. Booing your own team is something that nobody should do, or they aren't real fans of the team.

[CowboyKilla]

I was shocked. That's the last thing the team needs.

[skins74]

Mark i do nto condone it either, but I understand it. There has been frustrating building over Ranmsey. He is a 4 year vet but has shown little consistency, still making rookie type bad decisions. I think the frustration may be a bit bigger this year because in essence,. Ramsey is the key to success and his play is casuing apprehension among the faithful. Skins fans do not want another losign season, now going in to two decades of losing. Ramsey is they key, and people are nervous about thwta they are seeing from him. I know I am.

He has had a different coaches (one being a total joke and causing Ramsey to step back in development) and different WRs. He hasn't had consistency in this organization. Its not all his fault, because of that I think we should give him a break. I think he has shown improvement and once he and our new receivers get there timing and habits down we will see a better Patrick RAmsey.

[skins74]

And the booing thats a bunch of B.S. that doesn't do anyone any good. They should be ashamed of themselves. Be supportive it will get you better results.

[bgforever]

I totally agree as well... I was at the game...cheering my head off and I got REAL pissed when people boo. I know it "the fans perogative" and whatnot, but it really just hurts the team. If something bad happens...I just go silent. Wait a down or two and then start cheering again, because thats my responsibility.

Btw...I have to work on my fandom endurance. I am a very loud person and can create very high decibel sounds, but I fade out by the middle of the second period. Get a pounding headache and a terribly raspy and painful voice. I think next game I'm gonna bring a box of advil and a bottle of Good ole 'Tussin. Along with some tea if I can sneak it in. Maybe I'll do some vocal warmups before the game too. I know thats a little...um...whats the politically correct term? "Faggy"? probably not. But a fans gotta do what a fans gotta do to help the team.

I'm not wasting my voice on boos.

...although I may waste some money on booze.

I think that was sufficiently off topic and rambling enough.
I'm going to stop.
now.
or now.
now.


PASSION! He's going to give us all something to cheer about. Notice his approach now, as opposed to last year. Last year he was a bit slack, since he still needed to tinker with what he had to work with, budget, etc. Now it's HIS WAY! Yes keep that passion and bring those tissues, but not for crying , that's for sure! :)
Hail Redskins!!!!!

[BostonSkins]

While I don't agree with the booing (does booing in the preseason even count as booing?), I like the fact that it sends a message that mental errors will not be accepted.

But hey, the games don't count yet, why is everyone so upset already?

[silverspring]

I was at the 49ers game last year. The 49ers fans were rabidly booing their team, owners and the organization in general. Not only were they verbally booing but they were using signs. The team had the security taking signs away cause it looked bad on tv. In that situation you have a team whose owner isn't contributing even close to the league average in player salaries and pretty much hanging his organization out to dry, they had a rookie qb that sucked, they only won 2 games the whole season and things were only looking to get worse. Now that is a situation where I believe booing is justified.

But there is no way fans should be booing when a team hasn't even lost a regular season game. If people expect ramsey to be mistake free, especially early on, then they are crazy, that is a ridiculous expectation. He isn't going to go from inconsistent with lots of flaws to perfect just because he worked hard in the offseason. If he is going to improve it is clearly going to take reps and time.

I think a better question is if our fans are going to boo in a preseason game where other than turnovers we did some really good things, how is Jason Cambell going to survive his rookie learning period. The fans now think there is an alternative and will boo just to put cambell in. What are they going to do when he goes in and starts throwing interceptions. Unless he is a big ben, he will throw interceptions and make dumb mistakes, that is just a fact.

It just makes me laugh, our fans chant for ramsey and boo brunell off the field. They get what they want, he plays ok, and now they are booing him in preseason cause cambell is around. If we didn't draft cambell, i doubt the booing would be so prevalent. Gibbs created an enormous qb controversy by drafting him and having him sit there and the fans are feeding off it but they are too dumb to realize that if cambell plays that means the season is a wash. Stand behind your qb at least for 3 games. Booing in pre-season, you got to be kidding me. Like you said sounds like philly or oakland around here.

[BandWagon]

I have mentioned this before and I'll bring it up again.
1992, the final preseason game against Minnesota. Mark Rypien's first game back after a lengthy holdout. Also his first home appearance since winning the Super Bowl and SBMVP.
As soon as he walks on the field, he is booed louder than I have ever heard at any game to this day. He stinks up the joint and is repeatedly booed throughout the game. It was the beginning of the end for him in DC.
It was shocking, since then nothing has surprised me.

Wasn't that classic...guy wins the MVP in the Super Bowl and we're not even in the regular season yet. I think everyone had such high expectations since '91 came in a contract year and Mark got paid. Come to find out the guy played with a torn rotator cuff that season. Great example, thanks Rich.

[GeneralDisorder]

Probably the same group booing Brunell last season in favor of Ramsey.

Or the knobber who told Gibbs to go back to NASCAR after one of the losses last season...

[828791Redskins]

I don't know what we can do about it.All I usually do is get quiet after a bad play but then it's time to cheer and get rowdy for the next.

[smoak]

While I don't agree with the booing (does booing in the preseason even count as booing?), I like the fact that it sends a message that mental errors will not be accepted.

But hey, the games don't count yet, why is everyone so upset already?

Welcome BostonSkins!!! Are you a fan from back when the team was originally in Boston!!??

Mental errors won't be accepted? Not sure I follow you b/c all NFL players make mistakes on the field. Tom Brady throws INTs.... Tomlinson fumbles... Champ gets burned (a lot).

I think booing is directly related to the frustration of not winning in years which I understand, but do not condone.

[smoak]

Or the knobber who told Gibbs to go back to NASCAR after one of the losses last season...

I still remember that post and it is one of the reasons I stopped coming here for awhile. I can't take that kind of negativity and stupidity.

ARGH!

[BostonSkins]

Welcome BostonSkins!!! Are you a fan from back when the team was originally in Boston!!??

Mental errors won't be accepted? Not sure I follow you b/c all NFL players make mistakes on the field. Tom Brady throws INTs.... Tomlinson fumbles... Champ gets burned (a lot).

I think booing is directly related to the frustration of not winning in years which I understand, but do not condone.


I should have clarified, repeated mental errors shouldn't be accepted.

And no, I'm not quite old enough to have been a fan of the Boston Redskins but I figured the name worked....

[Sweepea436]

I just bought some tickets to some games this year off a season ticket holder. My first game will be this Friday! Does everybody meet up somewhere? If so, can I be down? :lol1: I'm pumped up about getting these tickets. Task 1 is accomplished. Now if I can hook up wth some people to tailgate, it will be mission accomplished!

[TertiaryView]

Well, I am one of the fans that use this forum, so no matter how much I try to be cold and analytical, in fact, I am one with you, and feel likewise.

However, we must also face the music, not all fans are as positive as we are, even with my name advocating a third party objective look at things, I sin of positivism more than I should. We truly try to find the good before we find the ugly or the bad in all things Redskin.

I would imagine the majority of the fan base, especially many who attend games and do not read our posts, is not as optimistic as we are, and many of those fans do not have the long history of review and analysis that we have nor the inclination to be tranquil, and in some cases, I must be honest to say that I do not blame them.

:Peace:

[BostonSkins]

Well, I am one of the fans that use this forum, so no matter how much I try to be cold and analytical, in fact, I am one with you, and feel likewise.

However, we must also face the music, not all fans are as positive as we are, even with my name advocating a third party objective look at things, I sin of positivism more than I should. We truly try to find the good before we find the ugly or the bad in all things Redskin.

I would imagine the majority of the fan base, especially many who attend games and do not read our posts, is not as optimistic as we are, and many of those fans do not have the long history of review and analysis that we have nor the inclination to be tranquil, and in some cases, I must be honest to say that I do not blame them.

:Peace:

Maybe those that boo are too optimistic and won't take anything less than 21 points in the first quarter.

Either way, I say reserve the boos for games that count. It's like the tree falling in the woods, if a fan boos at a preseason game does anyone (players, coaches) really hear it?

[IllinoiSkinFan]

Expect it to continue.
As ticket prices continue to soar you will see more seats being filled by suits rather then real fans.

[dj_stouty]

Expect it to continue.
As ticket prices continue to soar you will see more seats being filled by suits rather then real fans.

Danny didn't raise ticket prices this year...even though the demand for tickets clearly would have allowed it.

[Skins57]

Mark i do nto condone it either, but I understand it. There has been frustrating building over Ranmsey. He is a 4 year vet but has shown little consistency, still making rookie type bad decisions. I think the frustration may be a bit bigger this year because in essence,. Ramsey is the key to success and his play is casuing apprehension among the faithful. Skins fans do not want another losign season, now going in to two decades of losing. Ramsey is they key, and people are nervous about thwta they are seeing from him. I know I am.


Sums it up for me. I don't think Ram getting booed was all on him. fans are sick of the QB from this team and are just tired of waiting for a QB to stand up and win us some games, not just "not loose one" I want a real Qb here and Ram has not proved he can be that man. I said early in the offseason that our biggest need was QB and not Wr, and I believe it holds true

[dabro]

I remember Gibbs' first year here in the '80s. I was in seats at RFK about 10 rows up on the 50 yardline. Why was I, who didn't have season tix, in such a good location? Because there was hardly anyone there. And a lot of the people who were there were wearing brown paper bags on their heads! At least now the people show up for the games.

[redwolf1218]

i have always thought that a sincere, life-long fan has earned the right to cheer or boo with equal enthusiasm. leaving for another team is unacceptable though. calling them a bunch of bums when they stink up the place is okay by me, as long as you stick by them thru thick and thin, good times and bad.

[sdredskinsfan]

i have always thought that a sincere, life-long fan has earned the right to cheer or boo with equal enthusiasm. leaving for another team is unacceptable though. calling them a bunch of bums when they stink up the place is okay by me, as long as you stick by them thru thick and thin, good times and bad.

I agree. I also think it's not a big deal to boo him a lil during pre-season. If I were QB, I would take it as a kick in the pants. However, I think we should hold back on booing in the beginning of the regular season. But if he's still stinkin it up after 4 or 5 games, let er rip.

[TertiaryView]

Maybe those that boo are too optimistic and won't take anything less than 21 points in the first quarter.

Either way, I say reserve the boos for games that count. It's like the tree falling in the woods, if a fan boos at a preseason game does anyone (players, coaches) really hear it?I guess some fans are like a living thermometer, you get a good indication of your fan base, at least the marketing specialists do, the guys who make the money for Dan, the rest of the fan base, the hardcore fan base, of which, I believe, we at this forum represent a big chunk, we are already sold. We are believers; we are the gospel choir in the Redskin Church.

As for the age old analogy of the tree falling in the forest far away from those who might be aware of it making noise as it falls down I have always said; the tree sure made a lot of noise crashing down in that far away forest, it is just too bad that some people did not have sensitive enough ears to hear it ripping and tearing at its surroundings as it thundered down to the ground. Many a soldier will tell you that long range silenced and even those not silenced but supersonic sniper rifles don’t make a sound to the target before impact, but even though the target never heard it, the bullet it sent still killed them dead. The same goes for many examples, and the argument goes back ad infinitum for those who would still advocate non perception as proof of non existence, no matter how many dead they see dropping all around the perimeter. Philosophy professors have written books on this argument and to the educated would always stand firm as truth champions.

However, to bring my babble to a close, at least to my humble understanding of these things, common sense, such as the common sense of the larger uninformed mass of fans, as common as it can get to the royalty, the royalty of the analysts and professional watchers, is still undeniable and in fact impeccable to many a of their propositions. See, the common fan, does not have time to read, follow, and analyze as some of us might be able to afford, these folk hardly have time to read the newspaper in peace, so when they come to the game, for many a luxury and the only real break they get, they are all intuition and common sense, and whether we like it or not, they call it like they see it. What does the common fan have? They have uncommonly acute senses, they can perceive the thunderous crashing and ripping tears of the tree falling in the far away forest.

[smoak]

I should have clarified, repeated mental errors shouldn't be accepted.

And no, I'm not quite old enough to have been a fan of the Boston Redskins but I figured the name worked....

I agree, but I think Ramsey showed some improvement last season... enough for me to hope at least. But if he pulls that stuff against Chicago, I'd have no problem if he were yanked.

[redskin_rich]

However, to bring my babble to a close, at least to my humble understanding of these things, common sense, such as the common sense of the larger uninformed mass of fans, as common as it can get to the royalty, the royalty of the analysts and professional watchers, is still undeniable and in fact impeccable to many a of their propositions. See, the common fan, does not have time to read, follow, and analyze as some of us might be able to afford, these folk hardly have time to read the newspaper in peace, so when they come to the game, for many a luxury and the only real break they get, they are all intuition and common sense, and whether we like it or not, they call it like they see it. What does the common fan have? They have uncommonly acute senses, they can perceive the thunderous crashing and ripping tears of the tree falling in the far away forest.
You sure go a long way into explaining why casual fans boo their team, I'm impressed, though a little bewildered at why you gave it such thought.

[whistleandthumb]

i have always thought that a sincere, life-long fan has earned the right to cheer or boo with equal enthusiasm. leaving for another team is unacceptable though. calling them a bunch of bums when they stink up the place is okay by me, as long as you stick by them thru thick and thin, good times and bad.
Personally, I don't see boo-ing as "sticking by" through thick and thin. Sure, I've cursed at the TV, and been angry at the team for this, that, and the other thing, but I've never sat in my team's stadium and booed them. That just seems so.... passive. And a little pathetic.

[TertiaryView]

You sure go a long way into explaining why casual fans boo their team, I'm impressed, though a little bewildered at why you gave it such thought.Just trying to stand up for the common/casual fan, relatively speaking their behavior is more tied to emotional sense than to somewhat professional analysis.

[Brokenstriker]

I understand the value of standing by the team, of not focusing on the glass half-empty and all of that. I wasn't at the game and I doubt I would have boo'ed ... but I'm sure I would have been getting more and more depressed that the highlight of my sports fan life was giving all indications of being terminally crippled due to the lack of an effective starting quarterback. I like Ramsey and I would love to see him be a booming success, but I love the Redskins and I'm getting more and more exhausted suffering faithfully through year upon year of embarassment and more than that the depressing lows of misplaced hopefulness.
I can understand the reasons that would lead some to boo. The body language is bad when the Skins offense takes the field. Consistency for the annointed starting offense isn't there. Nothing screams ball control or drives build on more than 6 consecutive plays. The return of a longball strike capability should open some things up, but still its stumble forward and peter-out before scoring and little else.
Why is it that virtually every other NFL offense can score more than 17 points against any team in the league? I mean seriously ... I think thats the root cause here. Can't sustain a drive, can't put enough points on the board to win win-able games. If doesn't appear to be for the lack of a strong offensive line. It doesn't appear to be for lack of a capable stable of receivers (welcome to Washington Mr. Patton). It doesn't appear to be for lack of a decent defense. That leaves running back and quarterback ... and running back is looking excellent.
People its looking very real. Has anyone seen a Redskins' offense that can score in the last hmmm 4 years? Previously we has Marty and Steve to blame. They are gone and its still the same story. If its not the current QB ... the only other possible explaination for the lack of a potent offense ... is unthinkable ... offensive coordinator.
Who do you want to pin the current offensive performance on (pun unintended but good for a mild chuckle "offensive")? ... Ramsey ... or Gibbs. I pick Ramsey if thats the choice.

talk me out of it?

[dj_stouty]

I understand the value of standing by the team, of not focusing on the glass half-empty and all of that. I wasn't at the game and I doubt I would have boo'ed ... but I'm sure I would have been getting more and more depressed that the highlight of my sports fan life was giving all indications of being terminally crippled due to the lack of an effective starting quarterback. I like Ramsey and I would love to see him be a booming success, but I love the Redskins and I'm getting more and more exhausted suffering faithfully through year upon year of embarassment and more than that the depressing lows of misplaced hopefulness.
I can understand the reasons that would lead some to boo. The body language is bad when the Skins offense takes the field. Consistency for the annointed starting offense isn't there. Nothing screams ball control or drives build on more than 6 consecutive plays. The return of a longball strike capability should open some things up, but still its stumble forward and peter-out before scoring and little else.
Why is it that virtually every other NFL offense can score more than 17 points against any team in the league? I mean seriously ... I think thats the root cause here. Can't sustain a drive, can't put enough points on the board to win win-able games. If doesn't appear to be for the lack of a strong offensive line. It doesn't appear to be for lack of a capable stable of receivers (welcome to Washington Mr. Patton). It doesn't appear to be for lack of a decent defense. That leaves running back and quarterback ... and running back is looking excellent.
People its looking very real. Has anyone seen a Redskins' offense that can score in the last hmmm 4 years? Previously we has Marty and Steve to blame. They are gone and its still the same story. If its not the current QB ... the only other possible explaination for the lack of a potent offense ... is unthinkable ... offensive coordinator.
Who do you want to pin the current offensive performance on (pun unintended but good for a mild chuckle "offensive")? ... Ramsey ... or Gibbs. I pick Ramsey if thats the choice.

talk me out of it?

This is all very logical...but the boos started 3 minutes into the Redskins season! (And during the first preseason game, to boot!)

I can understand frustration...but after 3 minutes of football? Give me a break, Fed Ex!

[chrisbcbu]

This is all very logical...but the boos started 3 minutes into the Redskins season! (And during the first preseason game, to boot!)

I can understand frustration...but after 3 minutes of football? Give me a break, Fed Ex!

I had the exact same thought as you. I even heard that the wave was started while our offense was on the field. That also disgusts me, and along with the Boo-Birds; i was really disappointed in the conduct we as fans showed to team.

[TertiaryView]

This is all very logical...but the boos started 3 minutes into the Redskins season! (And during the first preseason game, to boot!)

I can understand frustration...but after 3 minutes of football? Give me a break, Fed Ex!Hold on a sec, if fans start to boo from the beginning that means their minds were already made up, so not just players but what they saw them practicing and playing before. And by the way, coach is in charge or everything, the real nuts and bolts of the offense are distributed among several people, and as I have said before, coach is angry at more than he is letting us know. The man is no fool, I would bet that unless we start to get some wins beginning with the first season game we will see some adjustments in the offensive coaching staff as well.

[dj_stouty]

Hold on a sec, if fans start to boo from the beginning that means their minds were already made up....

Then why did they bother even going to the game, if they already knew the 1st string offense under Ramsey was a disaster?

[TertiaryView]

Then why did they bother even going to the game, if they already knew the 1st string offense under Ramsey was a disaster?Wow, that is a hard question, I would give you my version of an answer, but by no means does it mean anything unless your feel it in your bones, but since you asked here is what I think.

Why do they do the common fans do these things?

They do it because of faith in memories past, because we have 3 championships under our belt and just maybe we can get another, because of love of the legend and the participation in the making of another, but I would imagine that the majority of them do it because they, even though they might not have run a single drill, have a strong belief that they are part of the past winners circle, that those 3 trophies and the adrenaline rushes they felt when we acquired them made and makes them owners, owners of the past, owners of the present, and sure as hell owners of the future. Those kids in the field, those kids that they booed they have not paid their dues until they bring in the 4th trophy, only then would they be held to the same standards of respect and the boos will cease.

:Peace:

[lakeskin]

Then why did they bother even going to the game, if they already knew the 1st string offense under Ramsey was a disaster?

So they can be a bunch of aholes and boo.

[Brokenstriker]

Then why did they bother even going to the game, if they already knew the 1st string offense under Ramsey was a disaster?

that one is easy ... they have expectations of excellence ... they expect to see something we would like to call "Redskins' Football" ... the problem is that Redskins' Football is becoming synonomous with an offense that doesn't deliver. I'm really sorry to hear that the boo's started so early, and the wave thing is complete bs to do while your team is trying to play. But I keep taking it here and I can't find the way out ... until they do something different than what they have been doing for the past 2 - 3 (even 4 or more years) ... they just can't seem to climb out of the virtual basement in their performance on the field. Its depressing to look at the annointed QB and see him play worse than the back-up (the names change but the scenario doesn't). Frankly I thought Hasselback executed the offense better than either Pat or Mark last year, this year it looks like its another designated benchwarmer with the better potential to deliver a potent offense. The Skin's offense is definitely not intimidating ... its either the guy running it on the field or the guy calling it off the field ... I think we have addressed enough of the non-QB talent on the field to have expectations of at least average performances some would say higher.

[Brokenstriker]

dj I feel it with you ... it sucks that its happening ... it sucks that its happening the way it is happening ... the fans' conduct ... but beyond losing style points the reason for being upset isn't too hard to understand.