Leading WR

[ryflan47]

You've seen the first 2 games. After seeing these, who do you think is going to lead the team in receiving yards? I think David Patten. I really think watching him play in the past 2 games that he's going to be a nut.

[PennSkinsFan]

My gut tells me Moss, my brain is telling me Patten is going to explode.

[mtyquinn]

I think Patten's speed it going to make him the man.

[redskin_rich]

It really looks like Patten is going to make toast out of the other teams #2 CB's.

[bwparker]

My gut tells me Moss, my brain is telling me Patten is going to explode.
Funny I'm equally torn...but I'm the other way around.

Gut -> Patten. Brain -> Moss.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I still think Santana Moss will be that guy, he is going to develop chemistry with Ramsey for 09/11.

[dj_stouty]

Moss will be the go-to guy. I love what Patten did on Saturday...but I'll need to see more consistancy before I annoint him the #1 option.

I think Gibbs has played Moss very vanilla this preseason. Good things to come.

[skins lady]

Patten will catch the majority of the balls. He is a great WR, did you see that catch he made on Friday before he stepped out of bounds? That take talent. Moss is someone that can catch the long ball but Patten is the guy if you want to get the first down.

[remaxjon]

I drafted Santana for my fantasy team so he better have the best season

[FanFromArizona]

How about DMAC with his lovely attitude and sure hands? He'll work hard to get open, has the height and speed to get open, that makes him the hands down winner.:lol1:

[Redskin-4-life]

I picked cooley, because Ramsey seems to have a certain bond with him, and cooley has a nack to get open.

[chrisbcbu]

I think Moss will have more catches but i think Patten will have more yards.

[ArtMonk4HOF]

If Patten is going against #2s, it seems he would probably be the better option. Plus, he sells his jukes really well and runs his routes well. On third and long, i would expect to see either him or cooley get the ball.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I think Moss will have more catches but i think Patten will have more yards.
i think so too. i think the moss' and patten's stats will be very similar though.

[dbiggs]

Patten reminds me of a Henry Ellard type...very quick, runs good routes and catches alot of balls, JMO.

Dan

[BurgundyNGold]

I said Patten. The guy is tough and a pro. Santana Moss might get the sexy long balls, but I think Patten will be a godsend for this offense.

[Biggie]

Patten, just like everyone else, thanks to the game he had against Cincy and since I think he may end up being our deep threat.

[hokieskins]

i really like what i am seeing in patten... i am just interested to see what happens this year, because i have no expectations this year, every year i come into the season thinking this is going to be the year we do something but we never do

[skins lady]

Welcome hokieskins! By the way, Go UVA. jk...I hope to see more of your posts in the future.

[IowaSkinsFan]

You've seen the first 2 games. After seeing these, who do you think is going to lead the team in receiving yards? I think David Patten. I really think watching him play in the past 2 games that he's going to be a nut.

I don't know how you can vote for anyone other than Patten at this point, especially if his route running is as good as they say it is.

[Redblood]

I don't know how you can vote for anyone other than Patten at this point, especially if his route running is as good as they say it is.


I agree! I'd vote Patten, but, I'm not sure HOF Coach Gibbs really has a designated #1 receiver!

A Hokie is a castrated turkey, (ouch!) but a cadavalier, is..............well dead, quite frankly! Boowho! Boowho! Both are in the weak sisters of the poor, acc conference. No Nat'l championships for either squad this year, again!

[hokieskins]

Welcome hokieskins! By the way, Go UVA. jk...I hope to see more of your posts in the future.

thanks...uvwho? my buddy has season tickets to uva and he has a wedding to go to in minnisota the day tech and uva play and he is the best man so he kindda has to go, but i told him i would be more than happy to take his place. i took him to the monday night game last year vs the cowgirls and the game we pounded the giants so hopefully he will give me his ticket.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I agree! I'd vote Patten, but, I'm not sure HOF Coach Gibbs really has a designated #1 receiver!

If he runs great routes, he will become the #1 WR by default. Patten should lead in receptions and probably yards. I see Moss have more TD's and a higher YPC due to his overall speed. He will probably see more long routes than Patten.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Patten impressed me against the Bengals. Not just the stats but the plays he made. Catching that ball and securing it and tapping the toe was a thing of beauty. The deep ball he caught under a swiping defender was incredible. Moss might have better wheels but I think Patten is a better all around WR at this point.

[smoak]

Wow, no love for Cooley?? Interesting. I think the man will be the main saftey valve when the deep routes aren't there.

[portis2endzone]

i think that moss will have more yards but patten will have more catches.

[dbiggs]

Anyone notice how when confronted by a tackler Moss does a 360 spin move? I saw him do it several times against Cincy. He is going to get hammered if he does that too often. If he spins into another tackler he is going to cough up the ball. Can't believe they haven't tried to discourage him from doing that.

Dan

[dj_stouty]

Patten has one 11 yard catch in the first preseason game...then grabs 3 catches for 100+ in the second preseason game, and all of a sudden he is annointed the top WR for this team? My how things change in only one game. (One preseason game, that is...)

[GWBlitzST]

Im going out on a limb and predicting that Clinton Portis will have a Ladanian type year and rack up 70+ catches.

[Redskinmayhem]

well, since the poll asked the question "Thus far" I can see all the Patten Votes. Hey I like the guy too but I think Moss Will lead the team in TD's and rec. yds. Cooley may just be the leader in rec. I do agree that Patten will be a Godsend for this Offense.

[silverspring]

i hope it is moss because we made a big long term investment in him, but it seems like patten has the skill, the attitude and suprisingly for a veteran the will to do it.

[openallnight]

Didn't we just have this poll a couple weeks ago?
I'm still thinking Patten will have the better year. I think he will have more catches for slightly more yards. While Moss will have a higher YPC.
I believe Portis and Cooley will both get more catches than last year but, neither will be even close to that of our top 2 WRs.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

Ill join the Patten Parade...and not because Santana is a bad option but Patten may have been severly underused in New England. Every time I see patten he is helping a defender locate where he lost his Jock strap at (isnt he a nice guy). Seriously I can see him catching alot of passes in this offense. Moss will get his but I think he will garner more coverage and his passes while fewer will be more potent as they will be for about 20 yrds each.

[The Skinsinator]

Patten will be the best receiver. He looked great in training camp a couple weeks. He is a very polished professional receiver. Frankly, I expected a littl e more from Santana Moss, up to this point, but I still think he will be very productive as well. These guys can get very good separation and I'm happy they are on the team.

[Xempt]

i voted for patten, moss and ramsey dont seem to have much chemisty as of yet. as far as cooley, gibbs hasnt shown much of anything from the h-backs this preseason so there could be some surprises there

[redskin_rich]

i hope it is moss because we made a big long term investment in him, but it seems like patten has the skill, the attitude and suprisingly for a veteran the will to do it.
Actually, Moss is due a much bigger portion of his bonus next year, so he could be easily released after this season if he doesn't pan out. I'm not saying that will happen but it could.

[The Skinsinator]

Ill join the Patten Parade...and not because Santana is a bad option but Patten may have been severly underused in New England.

I don't think he can be underused with a team that got 3 rings with him. I think they have a plethora of experience receivers and Weis believed in utilizing all of them not having the defense to know what to expect. New England should have retained Patten. Him and Rabach will be our best FA pickups.

[silverspring]

Actually, Moss is due a much bigger portion of his bonus next year, so he could be easily released after this season if he doesn't pan out. I'm not saying that will happen but it could.

interesting. i didn't realize it was structured like that. I thought we set it up so he was pretty much guaranteed playing time in the next couple years in order to insure that he gets his bonus. His contract isn't that bad to swallow anyways, but I would like him to step up and show himself as a true #1.

[chrisbcbu]

The only reason i see Patten getting more yards this year is because i see Patten lined up against #2 corners. Patten can easily burn by #2 corners.

[silverspring]

The only reason i see Patten getting more yards this year is because i see Patten lined up against #2 corners. Patten can easily burn by #2 corners.

very good point.

[CNYSkinFan]

Patten will have the better average but Moss will have more yards and catches. Patten has burned some guys but defenses will adjust for that and Moss will pick up the slack.

[Battle Cat]

It all depends on how healthy Moss stays. Patten will have more catches regardless but if healthy Moss can have more yards and touchdowns.

[ryflan47]

Wow.. I'm surprised with how many of you agreed with me and picked Patten. He's going to have an insanely good year. I just hope Moss can try to live up to expectations.

[AshlynSkins]

I'll go with Patten as our #1 right now, but #86 Antoino Brown is catching my eye very fast....and looks pretty good imo

[Blind-sided]

Pat R. seems to fav. Patton so far , so i'll go with him now and for the reg. season.

[ryflan47]

I'll go with Patten as our #1 right now, but #86 Antoino Brown is catching my eye very fast....and looks pretty good imo
Antonio Brown???
Please explain.

[ihatedallas]

Patten, becuase Ramsey seems to favor him...

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

I don't think he can be underused with a team that got 3 rings with him. I think they have a plethora of experience receivers and Weis believed in utilizing all of them not having the defense to know what to expect. New England should have retained Patten. Him and Rabach will be our best FA pickups.
I didnt mean it as a slap to the patriots..I ment that he was severly underused because of how talented a reciever he can be. it is obvious that new england has talent but in our case we need a guy who can be considered go too. I guess the best word instead of misused would be he was undervalued maybe. Either way their loss our gain.

[AshlynSkins]

Antonio Brown???
Please explain
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I'll gladly explain, I know he's our KR specialist and what-not, but seeing him at the scrimmage in Bmore and then seeing him a little at WR in the 2 Pre-Season games I like what I see, who knows with a injury (hopefully not) he could be called to fill in at WR and I was just remarking how much I was impressed.....

but to further your indulgdence yes the 2 yr WR from out of WR who stands 5'9 and weighs in at roughly 175lbs is who Antoino Brown would be

I hope I explained myself for you Sir.

[GoDannyBoy]

I know the poll was who would lead the team, but I like Thrash and think he gets more playing time. Might have been a reason to get more teams guys so Thrash get some rest.

I see him getting the call more this year because he runs good routes, has good hands and is probably are best blocking WR.

I think all the crap we took in off-season over our WRs is going to be shown as sloppy journalism! (LennietheHut)

[Chief Seeway]

Yardage - Patten
Receptions - Cooley

[rocky12]

Yardage - Patten
Receptions - Cooley

for some reason i don't see cooley getting quite as many balls as he did last year.
last year coles and 50/50 couldn't get open so he was our only option. with the way preseason has gone. looks like the majority of his passes will be going to the speedsters or thrash

[Ibleedburgundy]

Anyone notice how when confronted by a tackler Moss does a 360 spin move? I saw him do it several times against Cincy. He is going to get hammered if he does that too often. If he spins into another tackler he is going to cough up the ball. Can't believe they haven't tried to discourage him from doing that.

Dan


At least he did it along the sidelines and not in the middle if I remember correctly.

[Ibleedburgundy]

for some reason i don't see cooley getting quite as many balls as he did last year.
last year coles and 50/50 couldn't get open so he was our only option. with the way preseason has gone. looks like the majority of his passes will be going to the speedsters or thrash

I think Gibbs might be saving Cooley for the regular season but might have significant plans for him. Patrick has better chemistry with Cooley than anyone else. They've been trying to see if Sellars is a good back up but Cooley is way better. I think Cooley catches 55+ balls and Patten has 70 or so.

[ryflan47]

Antonio Brown???
Please explain
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I'll gladly explain, I know he's our KR specialist and what-not, but seeing him at the scrimmage in Bmore and then seeing him a little at WR in the 2 Pre-Season games I like what I see, who knows with a injury (hopefully not) he could be called to fill in at WR and I was just remarking how much I was impressed.....

but to further your indulgdence yes the 2 yr WR from out of WR who stands 5'9 and weighs in at roughly 175lbs is who Antoino Brown would be

I hope I explained myself for you Sir.

Hmm that's interesting. And don't call me sir... you're older than me I should be calling you sir! :lol1:

[steveo395]

cooley will have the most catches but moss will have the most yards

[smoak]

I know the poll was who would lead the team, but I like Thrash and think he gets more playing time. Might have been a reason to get more teams guys so Thrash get some rest.

I see him getting the call more this year because he runs good routes, has good hands and is probably are best blocking WR.

I think all the crap we took in off-season over our WRs is going to be shown as sloppy journalism! (LennietheHut)

I see Thrash making more important catches, but not getting the sheer volume of looks that other WRs will.

[dj_stouty]

I see Thrash making more important catches, but not getting the sheer volume of looks that other WRs will.

:goodpost:

I agree. I believe Thrash will be a go-to guy in 3rd and long passing situations. Gibbs knows his value, and wished he had used him better last year.

[SkinsGal]

I think Patten is going to be great too. Hopefully Ramsey can get him the ball!

[Ibleedburgundy]

I think Patten is going to be great too. Hopefully Ramsey can get him the ball!


Welcome to HR! I hope you are right. :)

[Biggie]

Last year, Antonio Gates had 81 receptions for 964 yards. Now, take away about fourty of those receptions since we have other wideouts, and, assuming an average of about 10.0 yards per catch, I think Cooley ends up with 40 receptions for around 400 yards and 7-8 touchdowns as a red zone target.

[Xempt]

Last year, Antonio Gates had 81 receptions for 964 yards. Now, take away about fourty of those receptions since we have other wideouts, and, assuming an average of about 10.0 yards per catch, I think Cooley ends up with 40 receptions for around 400 yards and 7-8 touchdowns as a red zone target.

the logic some of you people use, LOL

[smoak]

:goodpost:

I agree. I believe Thrash will be a go-to guy in 3rd and long passing situations. Gibbs knows his value, and wished he had used him better last year.

That is exactly what I meant, but I didn't articulate it well. I see Thrash being used in the red zone (he is a better blocker) and key situations, but he probably doesn't get the reps of Moss and Patten.

[Xempt]

Moss's contract becomes a year shorter if he gets a certain percentage of reps in a season, i wonder how that will pan out

[openallnight]

Last year, Antonio Gates had 81 receptions for 964 yards. Now, take away about fourty of those receptions since we have other wideouts, and, assuming an average of about 10.0 yards per catch, I think Cooley ends up with 40 receptions for around 400 yards and 7-8 touchdowns as a red zone target.
Well, in 1980 Kellen Winslow had 89 catches for 1290 yards for a 14.5 ypc average and 9 TDs.
Gibbs was the offensive coordinator for San Diego that year.
Although, Winslow was 6-5, 251 while Cooley is only 6-3 and around the same weight.
So, if you take off a single ypc per every inch than cooley should only have 12.5 ypc.
Also, 89 catches is alot for a TE. Wait a sec. Winslow played TE and Cooley plays HB.
So, if you take the numeric position of those letters T=20, E=5 that comes to 25 while H=8 and B=2 so that's 10.
Subtract 10 from 25 and you get 15. Therefore cooley will have 15 less receptions than Winslow, 89 -15 = 74.
Oh, yea Winslow wore number 80 and Cooley wears # 47.
So, if you take the jersey number delta divided by 3 and add 2 squared. That's (80 - 47) / 3 + 2^2. You get 15.
So, you've got to take away another 15 receptions from Cooley, giving him a total of 59.
And then factor in Winslows record was achieved in 1980 and this is 2005
and that's 25 years difference and then the average temperature played by
the chargers in 1980 vs. the average temp. the Redskins will play in this year.
And oh hell never mind . . .

[ihatedallas]

Well, in 1980 Kellen Winslow had 89 catches for 1290 yards for a 14.5 ypc average and 9 TDs.
Gibbs was the offensive coordinator for San Diego that year.
Although, Winslow was 6-5, 251 while Cooley is only 6-3 and around the same weight.
So, if you take off a single ypc per every inch than cooley should only have 12.5 ypc.
Also, 89 catches is alot for a TE. Wait a sec. Winslow played TE and Cooley plays HB.
So, if you take the numeric position of those letters T=20, E=5 that comes to 25 while H=8 and B=2 so that's 10.
Subtract 10 from 25 and you get 15. Therefore cooley will have 15 less receptions than Winslow, 89 -15 = 74.
Oh, yea Winslow wore number 80 and Cooley wears # 47.
So, if you take the jersey number delta divided by 3 and add 2 squared. That's (80 - 47) / 3 + 2^2. You get 15.
So, you've got to take away another 15 receptions from Cooley, giving him a total of 59.
And then factor in Winslows record was achieved in 1980 and this is 2005
and that's 25 years difference and then the average temperature played by
the chargers in 1980 vs. the average temp. the Redskins will play in this year.
And oh hell never mind . . .
:lol1: :awesomewo

[FanFromArizona]

Actually, Moss is due a much bigger portion of his bonus next year, so he could be easily released after this season if he doesn't pan out. I'm not saying that will happen but it could.

Somehow I don't think Moss will be released anytime soon. If anything, he would go lower in the depth chart and possibly become the #2 or #3 receiver [I don't see this happening anytime soon] before we would release him. We just acquired him at a MAJOR cap hit and we also resigned him to a long-term contract. I just don't see Releasing Moss in the team's future anytime soon.

[dabro]

Moss will be the go-to guy. I love what Patten did on Saturday...but I'll need to see more consistancy before I annoint him the #1 option.

You know how Ramsey is, though. He's got certain guys like Cooley that he goes to all the time. He's been going to Patten since the beginning of training camp, so I think Patten's going to get the most WR opportunities.

[FanFromArizona]

When studying from the Patriots offensive gamebook, I think Joe Gibbs realized the beauty of their offense: No stars, with each player playing for the team and performing a certain role in the offense. Just like the Patriots have done, their offense [and ours] will not "premier" a certain person in the passing offense and will instead distribute the throws. I think the personnel we had entering this year and those we acquired in the offseason have us set up for the distributed-style pass offense. Joe is hiding the targets he will use in the regular season currently and is using the preseason to gauge what strengths and weaknesses the QB and receivers have so that he can maximize the strengths in his playcalling. {Yes, we know what those are with respect to Patrick}.

I think we are vastly improved from last year, we just need to have Patrick to begin clicking on all cylinders and improve his playmaking decisions and get back to the gun-slinging, accurate long toss QB he was when he entered the league.

[dj_stouty]

I'd like to know if the 70% of members who voted for Patten last week have changed their minds now...

;)

[Biggie]

Well, in 1980 Kellen Winslow had 89 catches for 1290 yards for a 14.5 ypc average and 9 TDs.
Gibbs was the offensive coordinator for San Diego that year.
Although, Winslow was 6-5, 251 while Cooley is only 6-3 and around the same weight.
So, if you take off a single ypc per every inch than cooley should only have 12.5 ypc.
Also, 89 catches is alot for a TE. Wait a sec. Winslow played TE and Cooley plays HB.
So, if you take the numeric position of those letters T=20, E=5 that comes to 25 while H=8 and B=2 so that's 10.
Subtract 10 from 25 and you get 15. Therefore cooley will have 15 less receptions than Winslow, 89 -15 = 74.
Oh, yea Winslow wore number 80 and Cooley wears # 47.
So, if you take the jersey number delta divided by 3 and add 2 squared. That's (80 - 47) / 3 + 2^2. You get 15.
So, you've got to take away another 15 receptions from Cooley, giving him a total of 59.
And then factor in Winslows record was achieved in 1980 and this is 2005
and that's 25 years difference and then the average temperature played by
the chargers in 1980 vs. the average temp. the Redskins will play in this year.
And oh hell never mind . . .

Ouch. http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/images/smilies/cry.gif

[ihatedallas]

I'd like to know if the 70% of members who voted for Patten last week have changed their minds now...

;)

Well...uhm....maybe? :)

[smoak]

Ouch. http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/images/smilies/cry.gif

LOL! You can't have thin skin around this group!! Doesn't mean we don't love ya.

[smoak]

I'd like to know if the 70% of members who voted for Patten last week have changed their minds now...

;)

Why? Didn't he have the most # of catches?

--EDIT --

Just checked and Patten had 4 catches while the next closest had 2.

[Biggie]

LOL! You can't have thin skin around this group!! Doesn't mean we don't love ya.

Heh, I know. Just making a joke.

Oh, and Santana/David will STILL be the starters. Those two are on fire. Besides, whether you start on the left or the right, you're still on the field.

[KMDeMuth]

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2005/08/26/PH2005082602043.jpg
and people complain about our short recievers.....why?!?

moss has ups....i have a feeling patten does too. athletic + can jump = i dont think height is that important if they can still go up and get it. :rolleyes:

[Biggie]

moss has ups....i have a feeling patten does too. athletic + can jump = i dont think height is that important if they can still go up and get it. :rolleyes:

Or if they have the heart to go up there and get it. :)

[KMDeMuth]

Or if they have the heart to go up there and get it. :)

yea which i find odd seeing as jet's fans were "warning us" about how moss wont put in the extra effort. he "wont" go up and take a chance of coming down wrong. and he "wont" try for the extra yards, that he'll catch and go for the sideline.

i havent seen that from him yet, he has made the most of every opertunity. caught the ball and faught for that extra yard. Went up (like in that picture) to get it, knowing he could get hit low or come down bad.

I'm impressed with moss and patten. patten is everything he has been billed to be (and more) and moss is the oposite of everything the jets fans were tellin me (but as fast or faster).

and yes...lots of heart :)

[GoDannyBoy]

I agree with a lot of others on the board and think the ball is going to be spread around alot. Game days Gibbs will decide who the opposing "D" he is going to burn and which WR is the best for the job.

I think he saves Thrash and Cooley for the third and longs and game saving drives. But I really like the way the passing game is coming together. And a little optimist but I think Ram is going to have a big year.

[colkurtz]

Moss - most yards
Cooley - most TDs - he'll be the "possession receiver" substitute at H-Back

[WRSK1NS]

I had originally voted for Patten but after the Steeler game it may be Moss. Both receivers have really impressed me because they actually can catch the ball! They have made some tough catches and actually had some YAC, something we haven't seen in a year or two!

[PyroGenic]

The only reason i see Patten getting more yards this year is because i see Patten lined up against #2 corners. Patten can easily burn by #2 corners.


I dont get why most people on the board think that it only depends on what position you play for who you cover. When champ played against the chiefs who did he cover? Tony Gonzalez. So if one of receivers gets really good we're not gonna have 2nd or 3rd string corners on him for long.

[GoDannyBoy]

With better WR wouldn't we see more zone? If Patten is going to burn their #2 Moss will smoke right by them. Anybody left to cover Cooley, Thrash or Portis?

The Oline is going to win it for us this year!