Is Ramsey accurate?

[PyroGenic]

apparently so according to this guy:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2141179

I taped nearly every NFL game from the 2004 season and broke them down using a tracking system I devised to quantify a quarterback's performance in each of the categories listed above. Some of the results were quite enlightening. For example, the system quantified which quarterbacks make the highest percentage of bad decisions (Michael Vick and Ben Roethlisberger), which quarterbacks were most accurate (Brian Griese and Patrick Ramsey surprisingly topped that list), and which quarterbacks were the least accurate (Kurt Warner and Byron Leftwich).

[akhhorus]

He did throw a ton of short passes last year. But Favre, Pennington, Trent Green, Brian Griese, Roethlisberger, McNabb, Brees, Culpepper and Manning all had better completion ratings.

[GreenspanDan]

his accuracy is in fact VERY good. it's his vision and decision making that's suspect.

[GreenspanDan]

completion percentage is far from the end-all be-all of accuracy as well. having said that, though, Ramsey completed 69% of his passes in his final 5 games.

[TertiaryView]

Accurate?

I would say, yes, half of the time.


Lets hope he can improve once he starts to feel comfortable inside the pocket.

[IVSkinsFan]

PR will be just fine. He is going to have a great year, just wait and see.

[akhhorus]

completion percentage is far from the end-all be-all of accuracy as well. having said that, though, Ramsey completed 69% of his passes in his final 5 games.

You're right, but in the end, they are the only completions that matter. Judging Ramsey on how many drops his wideouts did, or on how many passes were close to the wideout is semi-ridiculous. Whats next, are we going to judge kickers on how close their misses were to goalposts?

[PennSkinsFan]

The short passign game of last year made him accurate. Patrick Ramsey's major problem is NOT accuracy it is CONSISTENCY

[akhhorus]

PR will be just fine. He is going to have a great year, just wait and see.

I hope you're right but throwing 3 picks in less than one whole game, making the same mistake on his deep balls doesn't make me too hopeful.

[Spence]

Is Ramsey accurate?Well, those two Bengals defenders must think Ramsey is pretty accurate: He hit them right in the hands. I wouldn't trust those 2004 stats too much when judging Ramsey. Gibbs does not plan on having his quarterback throw nothing but 6-yard outs this year.

[skins lady]

If Ramsey's passes were accurate he wouldn't be throwing 2 INT's in 1 half. Yeah I've heard it before, those passes were bad decisions, but being accurate could also mean throwing to the right reciever. Besides, even if the CB dropped the ball, it would still be an incomplete pass and not be accurate.

[dj_stouty]

his accuracy is in fact VERY good. it's his vision and decision making that's suspect.

LOL...so Ramsey is accurate, just as long as his vision and decision making skills allow him.

Sounds like this problem is full circle.

As Spence said...he will take more shots downfield...so his passing % will most likely be lower this year. (Or at best, flat)

[ArtMonk4HOF]

You think the fact that these games don't count may also cause him to try and force things that he wouldn't in a regular season games? It also seems like he gets too excited on some plays (patting the ball, shifty feet, etc.) I think it was Jansen who said he has to calm him down in the huddle sometimes. I think, once he gets some confindence in the system along with getting to run the shotgun again, we will see a vast improvement. Confidence can make the most mediocre of players exponentially improve their play. Let's just hope it happens here and soon.

[dj_stouty]

You think the fact that these games don't count may also cause him to try and force things that he wouldn't in a regular season games?

Nope.

I think Gibbs wants him to make as few mistakes as possible...which means not throwing the ball into triple coverage.

We are watching classic Ramsey right now...

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

You think the fact that these games don't count may also cause him to try and force things that he wouldn't in a regular season games? It also seems like he gets too excited on some plays (patting the ball, shifty feet, etc.) I think it was Jansen who said he has to calm him down in the huddle sometimes. I think, once he gets some confindence in the system along with getting to run the shotgun again, we will see a vast improvement. Confidence can make the most mediocre of players exponentially improve their play. Let's just hope it happens here and soon.
Im not sure wheter Ramsey gets too excited or is just scared but regardless. This may be an off beat comparison. but I find that when Im working and the Emergency Room really gets Cranking and All Kinds of things are crashing down around you. That the Doctors and Nurses that get too excited or are scared tend to be the most worthless. I think this has alot to do with Ramseys problems if you cant detach yourself from the emotion of the game. How are you going to make appropriate decisions. IMO you cant. Thats why I think like Health Care workers or anyone else in High Stress jobs the people that can seperate emotion from decision making Jobs regardless of circumstance are usually the best performers. This is why some QBs struggle when it is Crunch time. I mean Just look how calm and detached Brady is when he plays. Heck people even claim he dosent have a fire burning in him.

[The Skinsinator]

Gibbs does not plan on having his quarterback throw nothing but 6-yard outs this year.

I really think we will go deeper this year. We tried that passing offense last season and it was miserably ineffective. Santana Moss and David Patten weren't brought in for 6 yd outs.

[Agrawog]

completion percentage is far from the end-all be-all of accuracy as well. having said that, though, Ramsey completed 69% of his passes in his final 5 games.

Actually if you read what the guy wrote he is concerned with much more than completion percentage. His definition of accurate is not just complete but complete in stride or in between the numbers (e.g., not forcing the receiver to make a great catch or adjust).

I believe the reason PR was so high according to that metric was the types of patterns our guys ran. Not only were they short but they were almost all hooks or comebacks. So the QB is throwing at a stationary target square to his arm. This makes it easier to hit the guy in the chest. I would also wager that the Redskins has the lowest YAC in the league because our guys are never running posts or slants or go patterns that would give them a moving atvantage. That was always the sad part of our passing game. Our guys always had to make a move just to get going rather than keep running. That is another reason why we had so few big plays last year.

[dabro]

Judging Ramsey on how many drops his wideouts did, or on how many passes were close to the wideout is semi-ridiculous. Whats next, are we going to judge kickers on how close their misses were to goalposts?

In fairness to the author, he was just using accuracy as an example of his statistical method. He wasn't "judging" Ramsey.

[whistleandthumb]

Ramsey is actually very accurate with his passes, and, if he had a little more touch on his passes, as opposed to beaming every ball, he'd be even more accurate yet. The main problem is his decision to throw into coverage, or him not seeing defenders on the field. It's the same problem Rypien always had... hopefully PR can overcome it for a '91-esque season.

[silverspring]

he is accurate but he might throw one ball 100mph and another 10 mph. I think right now he is really trying to develop the touch game and the big rainbows and such and I think it is negatively affecting his accuracy while he is learning this pre-season.

[GMUskinsfan]

Without examining any of his stats i look at it this way. When he came here he was a kid from a pass happy offense at tulane with a big arm coming into an nfl team that wanted to be a pass only spurrier offense. He came out throwing bullets no matter who or where he was throwing to. Then when that offense didn't work he caught heat saying that he had no touch. So now hes in an offense where its all about touch/ball control. He's showing more touch on the ball but now hes missing passes that leave people dropping their jaws. Here's my assessment when he came here coach wanted a big gun so he tried his hardest to take that javelin throwing arm and fire everything on the field. Now this coach wants somebody to just complete the pass with touch and he can do that but can't put fire the ball in when need be instead he floats it. I think being in such vastly different offenses with all this criticism he's become so concerned with pleasing people hes not just playing on instinct. I think hes become polarized and is still looking to find that healthy medium between throwing the deep bombs and completing the 5 yard gains that all successful qb's master.
My view ramsey has all the tools and if he gets a REAL assurance that he's our qb and doesn't have to look over his shoulder he'll get comfortable and be able to put it all together with no assurance he'll have the nervousness that results in bad decision making and poor throws. Wether or not any assurance will come or ramsey's confidence or improved play results is yet to be seen.

[Brokenstriker]

He did throw a ton of short passes last year. But Favre, Pennington, Trent Green, Brian Griese, Roethlisberger, McNabb, Brees, Culpepper and Manning all had better completion ratings.

more importantly ... they all lead winning offenses

lets not forget the objective ... the first principal of war in every major national military ... is maintain the objective

QB's main objective ... score more points than your defense surrenders.

A frankly considering the defense that the Skins have ... it OUGHT TO BE RELATIVELY SIMPLE ... assuming the players cashing those NFL sized checks from Mr. Snyder are at least average NFL players.

[Brokenstriker]

Without examining any of his stats i look at it this way. When he came here he was a kid from a pass happy offense at tulane with a big arm coming into an nfl team that wanted to be a pass only spurrier offense. He came out throwing bullets no matter who or where he was throwing to. Then when that offense didn't work he caught heat saying that he had no touch. So now hes in an offense where its all about touch/ball control. He's showing more touch on the ball but now hes missing passes that leave people dropping their jaws. Here's my assessment when he came here coach wanted a big gun so he tried his hardest to take that javelin throwing arm and fire everything on the field. Now this coach wants somebody to just complete the pass with touch and he can do that but can't put fire the ball in when need be instead he floats it. I think being in such vastly different offenses with all this criticism he's become so concerned with pleasing people hes not just playing on instinct. I think hes become polarized and is still looking to find that healthy medium between throwing the deep bombs and completing the 5 yard gains that all successful qb's master.
My view ramsey has all the tools and if he gets a REAL assurance that he's our qb and doesn't have to look over his shoulder he'll get comfortable and be able to put it all together with no assurance he'll have the nervousness that results in bad decision making and poor throws. Wether or not any assurance will come or ramsey's confidence or improved play results is yet to be seen.


I was there once too ... *BUT I don't think he has all the tools any more. He doesn't have the presense to "work" on a defense. He doesn't have a history of length of the field drives (what talent/tool is required for that I don't know ... but he doesn't have it/them).

[Brokenstriker]

unfortunately Ramsey is also one of the most accurate passers for completions to the defense in the league also. Tied for 3rd at 4% of his passes. Manning, Culpepper, Brees and McNabb ... 2% or lower.

[RedskinsVision]

that was last year with Toeveranues and Fiddy Butterhands. now we Got Moss and Speedy Patten.. but is Patrick Ramsey up for it?

[redskifreak]

its like teeing off in front of the best golfers at the club on the first tee!
Anyone felt that nervousness and pressure there? Same for Ramsey in a game i think!

i personally think most ppl reach a certain point in life where they just cant improve anymore and have reached their peak! Ramsey imo is there and has been for awhile.... we have seen the best of ramsey.... i hope im wrong!


raz

[Brokenstriker]

that was last year with Toeveranues and Fiddy Butterhands. now we Got Moss and Speedy Patten.. but is Patrick Ramsey up for it?

Perhaps ... but this pre-season with the #1st team vs. first team, and second team defenses ... his int per attempt is a whopping 10% and nobody else is close.

sure its just the preseason ... but if its going to get better ... there has been no indication that it will

[21ppg=superbowl]

IMO, Ramsey is accurate when in rhythm with time in the pocket, but very inconsistent and often inaccurate when flustered, pressured or playing in a game in which he's been performing poorly already. he seems streaky to me, and sometimes i feel like he's thinking too much. Some of the better Ramsey moments I remember came in two-minute situations.

[ttr77]

Statistics are worthless anyway. 85% of the people in the world know that.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Statistics are worthless anyway. 85% of the people in the world know that.

:lol1:

Excellent!

[Brokenstriker]

stats or gut feeling... neither looks good on this topic

(85% ... freaking EXCELLENT!!)

[Skinzsnut]

He had a solid accuracy rating last year. But remember there not including ints.

[ihatedallas]

When he has time and can thin k about the play...but what quarterback isnt with those tools? What makes the best the best is how they act under pressure...

[CowboyKilla]

Only when he has his Gibbs goggles on.

[colkurtz]

Most of Patricks passes last year were extremely short, with little YAC. They were hooks or comebacks or dumpoffs. That's why our offense was 30th in the league. That's why we had a weak running game, even with our outstanding talents at RB. So this is a very mis-leading statistic.

Until we can establish a passing game that teams fear, with long passes that hit the open receivers, our offense will suffer. Whether it's touch or accuracy - Ramsey is very inconsistent with anything over 20 yards.

Long passes were our biggest weakness, ON THE ENTIRE TEAM, last season. I applaud the change in offense to go long in the pre-season. Some improvement from Ramsey.

However, IMHO, Ramsey can be flustered by the blitz and teams will be hawking any WR that he stares down. I see him having an even TD / INT ratio. Now that's a statistic that matters!