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TupaFan
08-28-2005, 10:37 AM
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Redskins feel like winners
By David Elfin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

It's just preseason, so the Washington Redskins' 17-10 victory over Pittsburgh on Friday night doesn't really count. Nonetheless, the Redskins were properly encouraged after giving their best performance this summer in the preseason game in which NFL starters traditionally play the most and against a Steelers team that was 16-2 last year and 2-0 this August.

"It's still preseason, but we needed a good lift," said coach Joe Gibbs, whose Redskins had played poorly in a scrimmage at Baltimore and the preseason opener at Carolina and so-so last week against Cincinnati. None of those teams made the playoffs in 2004.

"We're very happy," offensive tackle Jon Jansen said. "I thought we matched up pretty well. We really game-planned. We really treated it like a regular-season game. We were working on winning."

The Steelers didn't have that same sense of urgency, and it showed. Though the game was tied 10-10 when the starters departed at halftime, Pittsburgh's touchdown had come on a turnover. The Redskins had many more yards (234-130) and first downs (13-5) and more yards per play (6.2 to 5.4). Maligned quarterback Patrick Ramsey posted an 81.2 passer rating, despite throwing an interception for a score, while highly touted counterpart Ben Roethlisberger had an ugly 23.5 rating.

"It was a good night for us," Gibbs said. "There are a lot of good things we can point towards."

Such as:

•Running back Clinton Portis, who had just one carry against the Panthers and sat out against the Bengals with an ailing elbow, gained 48 yards on just eight carries. "Clinton looked crisp and sharp," Gibbs said.

•After being torched by Willie Parker for a 51-yard run that gave the Steelers a first down on the 20, the starting defense not only held them to a field goal but allowed just one first down and 27 yards over the next three series.

"We didn't play up to our level at Carolina," tackle Cornelius Griffin said. "We played better against Cincinnati. [On Friday,] we played the way we're capable of playing except for that one long run. We're not where we need to be, but we're moving in the right direction."

•New No. 1 receiver Santana Moss, who had caught just three passes for 29 yards the first two weeks, was more of a factor. Moss picked up 24 yards after one catch on an intermediate route. Though Ramsey keeps underthrowing him, the former New York Jet made an excellent adjustment to turn the second misfire into a 28-yard gain.

"As long as you give opportunities to guys, they're going to come back and make plays," Moss said.

•Tom Tupa, last year's NFC punting champion, missed a second straight game with a strained back, but Andy Groom showed again that he might be a capable replacement. Groom, who has yet to make an NFL roster, posted a 35.3 net average on seven punts, four of which he placed inside the Pittsburgh 20. Those are Tupa-esque numbers. Groom also has been fine holding for John Hall's kicks.

"Hopefully, Tom will be able to bounce back quickly, but you're always worried when it's a back," said Gibbs, who hinted that the 39-year-old Tupa could be cut if he's not healthy before the final cuts Sept. 4. "I'm glad that Andy stepped in and punted well."

•Ramsey stepped up, not back, after Troy Polamalu's disastrous pickoff with 3:48 left in the first quarter, completing 10 of 15 passes for 121 yards and a touchdown the rest of the half.

"When something bad happens ... it's important to see how he bounces back from that," Gibbs said. "Patrick bounced back."

•Linebacker LaVar Arrington, angry and ailing this spring, played with fire and showed some speed in his first action since December. He had three tackles and pressured Roethlisberger once in showing he'll soon be ready to regain his starting job.

"I was tired at first, but I had so much support from my teammates," said Arrington, who made it through his return from knee surgery fine, as did defensive tackle Brandon Noble. "I fed off of that, and I fed off the fans screaming. I felt myself getting stronger."

Just like his team.

Notes -- Safety Matt Bowen, who suffered a badly bruised chest while trying to tackle burly back Jerome Bettis in the first quarter, remained hospitalized for a second straight night but is expected to be released today. ... Running back Ladell Betts bruised a calf while being tackled by Steelers safety Chris Hope. Gibbs will turn the play into the NFL as a potential violation of the new ban on "horsecollar" tackles.

Biggie
08-28-2005, 11:02 AM
Tupa could be cut? :(

That's not something I'd like to see, but if he can't play, we might as well.

Redskin-4-life
08-28-2005, 11:36 AM
Tupa could be cut? :(

That's not something I'd like to see, but if he can't play, we might as well.

Groom appears to be more than capable to fill the void.

CarMike
08-28-2005, 11:36 AM
IMO, Groom has looked awesome. But I'd be worried if he is as consistant over a long season as Tupa is known for...

SkinsGuru
08-28-2005, 11:42 AM
IMO, Groom has looked awesome. But I'd be worried if he is as consistant over a long season as Tupa is known for...

Yeah . . . but Groom could be the long term answer at punter . . . someone we keep arround and not have to worry about . . . as for Tupa . . . he is awesome ! ! ! but, he is also ancient and CAN'T have too much left in the tank.

skinfan43
08-28-2005, 11:46 AM
I still can't believe the refs missed the unbelivably BLATANT horse-collar tackle on Betts! Also, why are the large majority of NFL refs as old as my grandmother??? I've OFTEN wondered that, don't OLD refs=OLD eyes, OLD reflexes, and MISSED calls?? Hockey, Basketball, and Baseball all have 40-50ish yr old officials, WTF NFL?!

HanburgerBum
08-28-2005, 01:55 PM
I still can't believe the refs missed the unbelivably BLATANT horse-collar tackle on Betts! Also, why are the large majority of NFL refs as old as my grandmother??? I've OFTEN wondered that, don't OLD refs=OLD eyes, OLD reflexes, and MISSED calls?? Hockey, Basketball, and Baseball all have 40-50ish yr old officials, WTF NFL?!


My hunch the reason NFL officials are older than other major sports is that pro football is the most difficult game to officiate. I have always prided myself on being a fan that knows the rules. But, it is just incredible how many rules there are to absorb. Every year it seems, I learn at least one new rule that I am not aware of. It probably takes many years for an official to gain enough experience and to become good at his job.

I know mistakes are made, but that's what the instant replay is for. I can't believe the other sports have not fully embraced it as pro football has.

ryflan47
08-28-2005, 02:21 PM
Hey, if they're playing like winners, then they should feel like winners.

IowaSkinsFan
08-29-2005, 06:59 AM
Tupa could be cut? :(

That's not something I'd like to see, but if he can't play, we might as well.

What about TupaFan?

whistleandthumb
08-29-2005, 12:28 PM
What about TupaFan?
GroomFan doesn't sound so bad, does it?

TupaFan
08-29-2005, 06:18 PM
No way!! Tupa FOREVER!! IMO, Groom only punts distance and that is something you can't do in the NFL. His placement is horrible. Cool he can punt 50 yards. Not cool, when he should be punting 40 and putting the other team within the 5-10 yard line. Stupid me pays attention to the these punting details!! :lol1: And, during the Cincy game, when Andy was walking to the sideline after one of his enzone punts, Danny was not happy with him. The camera stayed on them for a while. He still has alot to learn about punting.

I have been quiet about Tom's injury. It sounds worse then expected. He has had back problems before. Played with a hernia for a whole season, 2001. He hasn't missed a regular season game since 1993. I am hoping he is OK. Yeah, he is an "older" guy. Not old, older. He had an excellent year last year. Had a great scrimmage. The quote for someone was to the effect he was "giving punting lessons to the other punters."

I did notice he was along the sideline during the Pitt game. Standing up, watching. So, I hope that is a good sign, it won't be too long before he is back out there.

828791Redskins
08-29-2005, 06:30 PM
I still can't believe the refs missed the unbelivably BLATANT horse-collar tackle on Betts! Also, why are the large majority of NFL refs as old as my grandmother??? I've OFTEN wondered that, don't OLD refs=OLD eyes, OLD reflexes, and MISSED calls?? Hockey, Basketball, and Baseball all have 40-50ish yr old officials, WTF NFL?!
I hope the officials always miss that call.I definately didn't like seeing betts get hurt by it,but I hate the rule change.It seems every year they come out with another rule to hinder the defense.Whats next.....Can't hit below the belt or something absurd like that.We might as well put a flags on the players.

PikesPeakSkins
08-29-2005, 06:49 PM
Hey Tupa could be our emergency QB!

After Fridays game, things just seem so good this week.

Go Skins!

GWBlitzST
08-29-2005, 07:07 PM
I still can't believe the refs missed the unbelivably BLATANT horse-collar tackle on Betts! Also, why are the large majority of NFL refs as old as my grandmother??? I've OFTEN wondered that, don't OLD refs=OLD eyes, OLD reflexes, and MISSED calls?? Hockey, Basketball, and Baseball all have 40-50ish yr old officials, WTF NFL?!
I couldn't agree more. With the exception of the one guy who is diesel and punches his fist for a first down, all the referees seem to be guys who should have retired a long time ago. I feel like half the time they're more worried about getting run over than seeing a call, and when they get the inclination to throw a flag, they'll just toss it out there and call holding or illegal contact that wasn't really a bad penalty, then turn around and miss the game-changing block in the back on a punt return against Dallas that seems to always happen. . . . . GET YOUNG OFFICIALS!! I am 23 and I know the rules up and down, and have never played organized football. The rules are not that difficult, and they add about 3 a year, which is less than the amount of new formations that Gregg Williams adds to his defensive schemes.