Coles (v) Price [Archive] - hailRedskins.com Fan Board

PennSkinsFan

07-11-2003, 08:06 AM

Figruing that the Redskins were at one piont discussing the possibility of acquiring Peraless Price and we ended up wioth a WR just as good, Laverenues Coles, no wlooking back, did we get the better man. You vote here...

TexSkin

07-11-2003, 09:22 AM

This is an easy decision IMO. Price had the luxury of having Mould take alot of the heat off him. He was the the #2 WR in buffalo. He is good but how much was because of Moulds? Coles on the other hand was THE GUY. He still racked up incredible numbers. He has also shown that every year since his rookie season he has gotten better and better. We got him for the 13th pick? Hell that was a steal IMO.

CarMike

07-11-2003, 10:09 AM

Originally posted by TexSkin
This is an easy decision IMO. Price had the luxury of having Mould take alot of the heat off him. He was the the #2 WR in buffalo. He is good but how much was because of Moulds? Coles on the other hand was THE GUY. He still racked up incredible numbers. He has also shown that every year since his rookie season he has gotten better and better. We got him for the 13th pick? Hell that was a steal IMO.

Thats exactly what I was prepared to type out Tex. Thanks for saving me the time. :D

Very well said.

Spence

07-11-2003, 10:17 AM

Either one would have been nice and you must admit that the Falcons gave up less for Price than we did for Coles [last first round pick compared to the 13th overall pick in the draft]. Nevertheless, I'm content with Coles. We should ask this question again six months from now.

Skinzaholic

07-11-2003, 10:50 AM

I agree Spence... the price (no pun intended) is the main question here. Will Coles numbers vs our dollars be etter then Price # vs Atlanta $????

I still gotta go with Coles...he will fit this offense so nicely... and he is proven. Not sure what Price will turn into yet.

By the way... who is faster???

TexSkin

07-11-2003, 11:15 AM

Coles is faster by a long shot.

dj_stouty

07-11-2003, 12:05 PM

Gotta agree with the masses on this one.

Sure...we did end up giving more for Coles. But he is a proved #1 Wide Receiver with PLAYOFF Experience. That element has been needed in DC for a long time.

Price is a good receiver...I'll give you that. However, he was in the wonderful position of playing opposite Eric Moulds, who took most of the double teams. Price will REALLY have to step up now, as he is the team's official #1 receiver, and Jenkins/Finneran won't attract much of the D's attention.

On the flip side, Coles already has experience as the #1 receiver. Also, he is so good and intuitive on the field, that Pennington made him the #1 target in the offensive schemes. He also got some great experience playing in two playoff games last season.

I'm VERY happy to have a guy like Coles on our team. It was obvious to Spurrier and Danny that his attributes fit this team to a T. Every offense needs a speed burner to attract the D. Every so often, he will burn his defender(s) and scorch them for a TD. On the plays that he doesn't, he will draw the defensive backfield east-ward with him, increasing Jacobs and Gardner's chances of getting balls 20 yards out.

Interesting year, we have in front of us, Redskins fans!

Green-Is-Good

07-11-2003, 12:29 PM

price. coles is a better all around reciever, but atl gave up a 23rd pick for him. we gave up the 13th pick

Emmanouel8

07-11-2003, 04:15 PM

Coles w/o a doubt. The purpose for the WR turnover was to acquire speed. Price did not fit the bill. It doesn't make sense to unload the Price type WR's we had so that we can get an expensive one. Also Coles compliments Gardener much more effectively than Price would, kind along the themes of diversifying your portfolio...

Shabba

07-11-2003, 04:39 PM

Well you knew that someone had to be different from the rest in order to make it intresting. I think Price is the better receiver. Don't get me wrong, I love Coles but Pricer can stretch a defense to death.
Someone mentioned who Price was playing alongside last season. Thatz what it's all about.
Coles will be better this season because of Rod Gardner.

pope

07-11-2003, 06:01 PM

Sorry to break the bad news to you guys but you grossly overpaid for Coles, don't get me wrong he's a good WR but not great which is what sort of coin Snyder threw at him, With Jacobs, Gardner & the other WR's you have the money would have been better spent on oh say Champ Bailey or a DT

redskns56

07-11-2003, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by Green_is_Good
price. coles is a better all around reciever, but atl gave up a 23rd pick for him. we gave up the 13th pick

What you all seem to be forgetting is that we would have paid the same price in terms of compensation to Buffalo had we gone after Price. Coles may have cost a little more monetarily but I guess that we'll never know.

kelly

07-11-2003, 07:40 PM

Green-Is-Good

07-11-2003, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by Shabba
Well you knew that someone had to be different from the rest in order to make it intresting.

did you not see this?

Originally posted by Green_is_Good
price. coles is a better all around reciever, but atl gave up a 23rd pick for him. we gave up the 13th pick

hail2skins

07-11-2003, 08:26 PM

That was easy.

Skins57

07-12-2003, 06:19 AM

Coles was my vote but I will wait to see until the end of the season to say. we would have gien up the 13th pick no matter what so that is a moot point

LostinNH

07-12-2003, 08:02 AM

I actually prefer Price to Coles. I think they are similar receivers but Price is more a deep threat and playmaker. Coles probably has better hands and will make the tougher catch. I'm happy with Coles but would have been estatic with Price.

rskinsfan10

07-12-2003, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by LostinNH
I actually prefer Price to Coles. I think they are similar receivers but Price is more a deep threat and playmaker. Coles probably has better hands and will make the tougher catch. I'm happy with Coles but would have been estatic with Price.

I don't think that you can say for certain that Price is a better deep threat then Coles because of the dynamics of the two QB's that were tossing to them respectively. Everyone knows that Bledsoe has one of the strongest arms in the league, but you wouldn't dare put Pennington in that category. You cannot display deep threat ability without someone to get you the ball deep. Having said that, wouldn't you automatically associate someone with Coles' obvious superior speed and hands a deep threat?

WRSK1NS

07-12-2003, 10:49 AM

I agree w/ rskin, great post! I also think that this season will prove this to be True.:bounceit:

Texas Skin

07-12-2003, 04:24 PM

It's a landslide folks..............:eek:

:D

TexSkin

07-12-2003, 06:47 PM

Btw welcome aboard Pope..hope you stay.....I disagree with you but that dos not stop me from wanting you to sty with us. ;)

Green-Is-Good

07-12-2003, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
I don't think that you can say for certain that Price is a better deep threat then Coles because of the dynamics of the two QB's that were tossing to them respectively. Everyone knows that Bledsoe has one of the strongest arms in the league, but you wouldn't dare put Pennington in that category. You cannot display deep threat ability without someone to get you the ball deep. Having said that, wouldn't you automatically associate someone with Coles' obvious superior speed and hands a deep threat?

yeah, but by your logic, coles might not have caught 89 passes with the bills. the jets have a west coast offense.

rskinsfan10

07-13-2003, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by Green_is_Good
yeah, but by your logic, coles might not have caught 89 passes with the bills. the jets have a west coast offense.

Huh? I never said anything about how many balls the two would have caught by swapping systems. Just so that I'm clear with your argument however, explain to me how Coles might not have caught 89 passes with the Bills. All I said was that I don't believe that the argument can be made acurately that Price is a bigger down field threat because Coles didn't play in a system that showcases alot of deep passing. I said that he is faster and has better hands then Price, which the way I see it would translate to Coles getting open more then Price and hauling in more passes. If you are referring to that logic, then I say that I would have to believe that Coles would have caught 89 passes with the Bills. Price caught 94, although he is slower and has inferior hands, and Moulds caught 100. Why should I believe that Coles couldn't do just as well or not better then Price in the Bills system?

LostinNH

07-13-2003, 07:45 AM

I'll give you that Price had a much better deep passer in Bledsoe than Coles did in Pennington. Perhaps playing with Ramsey will prove me wrong on who's the better deep threat. I still think Price is a more of a playmaker which kinda goes hand in hand with being a deep threat. Price is the kind of receiver to take a 20-40 yard catch and make a few defenders miss and take it all the way, Coles is not. At least he wasn't last year.

Their 40 times may be different but with pads on and in game situations I think Price is every bit as fast as Coles. From what I've seen of the two that is. Which is not a lot.

CarMike

07-13-2003, 07:56 AM

I have to side with rskinsfan10 on this one. Price doesn't impress me nearly as much Coles. Coles has the three things working for him that makes a great WR. Speed, runs excellent routes, and has good hands. He makes the hard catches look easy.

Also. The argument about Price having Moulds as the go to guy is right on the money. Coles was the go to guy. And he was awesome in that role.

Coles will be better than Price this year.

Green-Is-Good

07-13-2003, 01:38 PM

i disagree. the falcons are too deep at wr. alge crumpler will help take pressure off price too. if coles does do better, it will be because of our line, which is superior to that of the falcons. and how big is coles? i know price is 5'11" 193 lbs

dj_stouty

07-13-2003, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Green_is_Good
And how big is coles? i know price is 5'11" 193 lbs

Green~ Coles is 5'11" 190, so their body frames are identical...

Here are some more talking points in favor of Coles...

Price succeded with LOADS of help in Buffalo. Coles succeded with MINIMAL help in New York. Both had competent running backs...but Price had the better WR corp to work with. Coles had injury-stricken Santana Moss and Wayne "The Mascot" Chrebet to work with.

I'll take the guy (Coles) who caught 1,264 yards while fighting coverage from #1 Cornerbacks, than a guy who caught 1,252 yards while fighting coverage from #2 Cornerbacks. Believe it or not...it DOES make a difference. In terms we Skins fans can relate to: Would you rather have the guy who beats Champ Bailey for 100 yards or the guy who beats Fred Smoot for 100 yards. Enough Said...

Price will have to face #1 Cornerback for the FIRST time in his career. Coles is already used to it.

The bottom line is that Coles is the more talented receiver...and has proven his worth. Price has A LOT of expectations...and hasn't proven a thing yet on his own. Time will tell, I guess...

pope

07-14-2003, 10:53 AM

Thanks, Tex, should be a good one come Sept. 4th. Jets want payback in a big way :smash:

LadyNRedskinsfan

07-14-2003, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by CarMike
Thats exactly what I was prepared to type out Tex. Thanks for saving me the time. :D

Very well said.
yup...me too.

TexSkin

07-15-2003, 08:55 AM

Glad so many agree with me...now if we can all agree that monkey's are funny the world will be a better place!

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LadyNRedskinsfan

07-15-2003, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by TexSkin
Glad so many agree with me...now if we can all agree that monkey's are funny the world will be a better place!

http://smilies.crowd9.com/cwm/cwm/piss2.gif
hey texskin, i think monkeys are funny too! lol.....

Green-Is-Good

07-16-2003, 03:24 PM

Emmanouel8

07-17-2003, 02:33 AM

Who thinks Pope's post has nothing to do w/ this thread? :smash: ................................j/k, welcome Pope ;).

TexSkin

07-17-2003, 08:49 AM

Emmanouel8 I have been meaning to ask you..I feel embarrassed asking this but is that Sammy Baugh in your sig..Its a sweet looking sig btw.

Emmanouel8

07-17-2003, 10:36 PM

Indeed it is 'Slingin' Sammy. Thanks for the compliment. Believe it or not a Charger fan from another board was nice enough to conjure that baby up for me way back when. He did a Riggo one and another Sammy Baugh I never used but they're pretty nice too, maybe I'll post them for someone else to use .

nyjunc

07-23-2003, 04:29 PM

You guys got a better WR in Coles. He is better than Price, Price is good but he did it w/ Moulds takin up all the DTs and Moulds taking all the pressure off of him. Coles was the #1 WR up here and he was great after Chad stepped under C. I still think you overpaid for him but he's a legit #1 WR(who may be #2 w/ Gardner there) and he's a guy who is a pro bowl caliber WR. He may not make any but he'll be close, of course this all hinges on the development of Patrick Ramsey.