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akhhorus
09-06-2005, 03:37 PM
http://www.hailredskins.com/blog/index.php?p=130

Enjoy!

whitskins
09-06-2005, 03:49 PM
If Ramsey throws 10 TDs and 20 INTs I think we'll see him pulled for Brunell well before Week 15. And with our lack of size at WR I don't see how Cooley doesn't at least match his total of 6 TDs from last year.

Thanks for all the effort as usual!

Drastic
09-06-2005, 03:49 PM
thats stats and predictions are insane, but possible i suppose. you have no faith that ramsey will be able to eliminate turnovers

C-7
09-06-2005, 03:51 PM
Nice read akh, thanks.

akhhorus
09-06-2005, 03:52 PM
thats stats and predictions are insane, but possible i suppose. you have no faith that ramsey will be able to eliminate turnovers

Has Ramsey shown that he will be able to eliminate the turnovers this preseason yet?

CarMike
09-06-2005, 03:54 PM
Has Ramsey shown that he will be able to eliminate the turnovers this preseason yet?

Nope. None what so ever.

Drastic
09-06-2005, 03:55 PM
Has Ramsey shown that he will be able to eliminate the turnovers this preseason yet?

i suppose not. if ramsey could learn to throw the ball away instead of taking a coverage sack or throwing an INT i think he will be fine at QB

BurgundyNGold
09-06-2005, 03:57 PM
Another great writeup, Akh. However, I have a different opinion on a few things:

1) Ramsey's numbers of 10 TDs to 20 INTs shouldn't be that bad. If so, Gibbs will go to Brunell.
2) No way we lose to Phill 30-10 at home. The old days (2003) are behind us.
3) If Gibbs pulls Ramsey in the second Dallass game, he won't start Campbell as long as we have a shot at the playoffs. Brunell will step in.
4) Campbell's ratio of 9 TDs to 5 INTs seem pretty generous after watching the 2nd half of the Ravens game. He made some really bad rookie decisions.

whitskins
09-06-2005, 03:59 PM
Has Ramsey shown that he will be able to eliminate the turnovers this preseason yet?

Um, apparently you missed Ramsey's statline for the last preseason game... 1-2 for 10 yards with NO INTERCEPTIONS!

Haha, just kidding of course :)

silverspring
09-06-2005, 04:02 PM
The qb controversy is the headline. I wouldn't be suprised if ramsey throws a bunch of interceptions, in fact I expect it. But I expect him to show continual improvement as the season moves forward and if he is still starting by week 8 I expect that he will finish the season as the starter. He is going to have to be so bad he gets benched during the buy week, or I think he will finish the season.

LATrueRedskin
09-06-2005, 04:03 PM
Good write up, akh. Ramsey has still shown no improvement in the pocket and with his decision making. In fact, he hasn't shown any improvement at all really since his rookie season. He still makes the same mistakes and throws the same crazy passes.

C-7
09-06-2005, 04:04 PM
Sounds like a terrible season though.

Biggie
09-06-2005, 04:08 PM
Nice predictions Akh, but I must disagree about the passing numbers. There is no way Gibbs will allow Ramsey to stay on the field long enough to throw twenty interceptions, and Campbell won't be that good or get that much playing time this season.

IVSkinsFan
09-06-2005, 04:09 PM
I think PR will have 20 td's and 10 int's myself. We win at least 10 games.

flave1969
09-06-2005, 04:15 PM
You need to change your Crystal Ball for a more optimistic one. :lol1: Nice write up.

I see Ramsey being more of a 20 TD and 16 Int man.

I think Portis blows up big this year and 5TD's against KC is not out of the question. When I last looked KC's D was still poor and Portis has scored 10 TD's and rushed for 569 yards on them in four games.

Redskinfan28
09-06-2005, 04:31 PM
8-8 sounds about right.

The 6th Dirtbag
09-06-2005, 04:47 PM
Dude, that was definitely fun to read. Only thing I have a problem with is the fact that you have Moss getting 90 catches and almost 1,200 yards while reaching the end zone only 4 times! With the speed and big play ability Moss possesses, he will have more than 4.5% of his catches result in a touchdown IMO (4/90=4.444%). Also, I have a hard time believing that Ramsey will be as bad as you project him to be (10 TD and 20 INT). That is just awful. I want to believe he has improved somewhat in his decision making (even if the preseason did not necessarily show it). Anyway, good job. IMO the Redskins will go 11-5. Seriously. (2 wins against Philly and 2 wins against Dallas--Gregg Williams is too f***ing smart to let Dallas to pull what they did last year again. Bet on it.

inevitable
09-06-2005, 04:54 PM
Interesting point of view, but I don't think the Redskins D will ever give up so many points in a game. We shall see though.

skins74
09-06-2005, 05:07 PM
Has Ramsey shown that he will be able to eliminate the turnovers this preseason yet?


No, but what does pre season matter? I bet it will be closer to 20 TDs and 12 Ints. You are much more pessimistic than I am, thats for sure. Ramsey is finally in a good situation and I think he will prove you wrong (I hope).

Vonslydog
09-06-2005, 05:09 PM
For Ramsey to have those numbers it would be far beyond "not improving." It would be more like "drastically regressing." I don't buy all the "Ramsey will go to the Pro-bowl" talk, but I don't buy 10/20 td/int ratio either.

IowaSkinsFan
09-06-2005, 05:10 PM
http://www.hailredskins.com/blog/index.php?p=130

Enjoy!

Do you think Joe will stick w/ Ramsey long enough to let him reach 10 TD's and 20 INT's, especially after the preseason Brunell had?

The 6th Dirtbag
09-06-2005, 05:22 PM
Dude, yeah Ramsey will not get worse. He may not improve a whole hell of a lot (I think he will though), but he will defintely not get worse. 20 pickles is just too many. Jeez. I respect your (AKH's) thoughts, but 20 INTs is just f***ed up. I guess that we all know what you think our weakest link is--QB#1. I hope you are wrong...

akhhorus
09-06-2005, 05:28 PM
No, but what does pre season matter? I bet it will be closer to 20 TDs and 12 Ints. You are much more pessimistic than I am, thats for sure. Ramsey is finally in a good situation and I think he will prove you wrong (I hope).

Well, I hope you are right, but Ramsey has yet to show that he can run an NFL style offense with any sort of consistancy. I believe that is shown in my week by week predictions. Ramsey has rarely strung together a few good games, and his performances tend to be hit and miss. The 20 picks is a bit high, but I have Ramsey throwing 8 of them in 2 games against very good secondaries. If Portis has a good year, Ramsey's faults will be hidden to some extent, but its unrealistic(this is not to say impossible) that he will have a very good season. 20-12 TDs to Ints might be out of range of Ramsey's abilities.

akhhorus
09-06-2005, 05:31 PM
Dude, yeah Ramsey will not get worse. He may not improve a whole hell of a lot (I think he will though), but he will defintely not get worse. 20 pickles is just too many. Jeez. I respect your (AKH's) thoughts, but 20 INTs is just f***ed up. I guess that we all know what you think our weakest link is--QB#1. I hope you are wrong...

Oh yeah Ramsey can get worse, as he showed plenty of times during the preseason. I don't how you can think that Ramsey is immune from regressing as an NFL player. There is absolutely no excuse for the INT he threw against Pittsburgh. His INTs in the preseason were a product of terrible decision making, which is something he has struggled with his whole career. Ramsey can also not change, which is as bad as getting worse for him. Hopefully, he'll get better. But its little more than hope.

redcayman
09-06-2005, 05:39 PM
Nice read but dude you have throroughly depressed me. I hope Ramsey plays much better than predicted.

The 6th Dirtbag
09-06-2005, 05:41 PM
Oh yeah Ramsey can get worse, as he showed plenty of times during the preseason. I don't how you can think that Ramsey is immune from regressing as an NFL player. There is absolutely no excuse for the INT he threw against Pittsburgh. His INTs in the preseason were a product of terrible decision making, which is something he has struggled with his whole career. Ramsey can also not change, which is as bad as getting worse for him. Hopefully, he'll get better. But its little more than hope.

Yeah there is dude, the excuse for the pitt pick is that Thrash ran an in instead of an out. At least that is what the local news said (my local news is the official Redskins news because I live 20 min from DC). So, unless they are wrong, there is an excuse. It was a MISCOMMUNICATION on Thrash's part.

saviour
09-06-2005, 05:42 PM
AKH. Everybody knows you have no love for Ramsey but do you really expect to see this sort of regregression? Patrick has never been that bad and noone expects him to be that bad.

Patrick Ramsey has only had one season in which he has thrown more int's than td's and that was last year with 3 int Giants game and Koz and Rock's hands of stone int's (Dallas gm and Pittburg gm). And he only ended up with one less td.

Ramsey will never throw 20 int's with only 10 td's becuase Gibbs will never allow any one player to throw away his teams season and 20 int's is clearly an indication that the QB does not know the offense. Also, Gibbs never puts his players in a position to fail that badly. If Pat gets to 10 ints and only has 5 td's or so he will be benched.

If Pat plays the entire season (And he should) he will have between 18-20 td's and 11-16 ints.

akhhorus
09-06-2005, 05:44 PM
Yeah there is dude, the excuse for the pitt pick is that Thrash ran an in instead of an out. At least that is what the local news said (my local news is the official Redskins news because I live 20 min from DC). So, unless they are wrong, there is an excuse. It was a MISCOMMUNICATION on Thrash's part.

So was it Thrash who decided to throw the ball despite having a LB completely in his face, off his back foot and without looking properly at the coverage? Thrash was running the right route, Ramsey threw it stupidly up thinking that no one but Thrash would be there because he couldn't see the coverage because of the aforementioned LB. Ramsey threw the ball despite not being able to see Thrash when he threw it. This has been Ramsey's problem since his rookie year, and he looks no different in this respect.

Patrick
09-06-2005, 05:48 PM
AKH. Everybody knows you have no love for Ramsey but do you really expect to see this sort of regregression? Patrick has never been that bad and noone expects him to be that bad.

Patrick Ramsey has only had one season in which he has thrown more int's than td's and that was last year with 3 int Giants game and Koz and Rock's hands of stone int's (Dallas gm and Pittburg gm). And he only ended up with one less td.

Ramsey will never throw 20 int's with only 10 td's becuase Gibbs will never allow any one player to throw away his teams season and 20 int's is clearly an indication that the QB does not know the offense. Also, Gibbs never puts his players in a position to fail that badly. If Pat gets to 10 ints and only has 5 td's or so he will be benched.

If Pat plays the entire season (And he should) he will have between 18-20 td's and 11-16 ints.

Maybe Akh doesn't BUT if Patrick comes out on target and turns his perdiction upside down he'll be the first to give Patrick a "Well Done"!
BUT the proof will be in the play now won't it!!!!!!

IowaSkinsFan
09-06-2005, 05:49 PM
I saw the last preseason game yesterday and I saw both the reason why the drafted Campbell in the first round and the reason why he shouldn't play this season at all in one game.

Great arm, great mobility, but way inexperienced.

The 6th Dirtbag
09-06-2005, 05:50 PM
So was it Thrash who decided to throw the ball despite having a LB completely in his face, off his back foot and without looking properly at the coverage? Thrash was running the right route, Ramsey threw it stupidly up thinking that no one but Thrash would be there because he couldn't see the coverage because of the aforementioned LB. Ramsey threw the ball despite not being able to see Thrash when he threw it. This has been Ramsey's problem since his rookie year, and he looks no different in this respect.

Okay, Okay, Okay...Look AKH, Do you have any idea (and I know you do) how often an NFL QB will throw the ball to a receiver when a receiver is NOT "there" yet? All the time! It is called a TIMING ROUTE!!!!!!! Thrash was supposed to be somewhere and he was not. Had Thrash been where he was supposed to be it would have been an incompletion. If Palamolu still picked it, it would be because he is a Pro Bowl caliber player, not because Ramsey sucks. What say you?

akhhorus
09-06-2005, 05:50 PM
AKH. Everybody knows you have no love for Ramsey but do you really expect to see this sort of regregression? Patrick has never been that bad and noone expects him to be that bad.

Patrick Ramsey has only had one season in which he has thrown more int's than td's and that was last year with 3 int Giants game and Koz and Rock's hands of stone int's (Dallas gm and Pittburg gm). And he only ended up with one less td.

Ramsey will never throw 20 int's with only 10 td's becuase Gibbs will never allow any one player to throw away his teams season and 20 int's is clearly an indication that the QB does not know the offense. Also, Gibbs never puts his players in a position to fail that badly. If Pat gets to 10 ints and only has 5 td's or so he will be benched.

If Pat plays the entire season (And he should) he will have between 18-20 td's and 11-16 ints.

Ramsey only really has two INT filled games and 6 total games where he throws more than 1 INT in my scenario. Considering that we haven't seen Ramsey play more than 11 games in a season, and I have him playing 13-my stats aren't out of line for him. And if you would actually go through it game by game, you would see that Ramsey has enough good games to justify keeping him in there. He just has a few total meltdowns. Which he has had throughout his career.

Patrick
09-06-2005, 05:51 PM
I saw the last preseason game yesterday and I saw both the reason why the drafted Campbell in the first round and the reason why he shouldn't play this season at all in one game.

Great arm, great mobility, but way inexperienced.

Hopefully this kid gets a full season with the C-board and see some mop up duties too. ................. AND yes - I saw it too!!!!

akhhorus
09-06-2005, 05:53 PM
Okay, Okay, Okay...Look AKH, Do you have any idea (and I know you do) how often an NFL QB will throw the ball to a receiver when a receiver is NOT "there" yet? All the time! It is called a TIMING ROUTE!!!!!!! Thrash was supposed to be somewhere and he was not. Had Thrash been where he was supposed to be it would have been an incompletion. If Palamolu still picked it, it would be because he is a Pro Bowl caliber player, not because Ramsey sucks. What say you?

Yes, I do actually understand "timing" routes. But wouldn't Ramsey's timing be off then because he rushed the throw due to the LB molesting his and couldn't see Thrash? So whether Thrash was in the right place or not is irrelevant because Ramsey just threw it up there far too early. Thrash hadn't even broken off his route when Ramsey threw it off. I could have picked it off. Ramsey should have taken the sack. That INT was Ramsey's fault.

akhhorus
09-06-2005, 05:55 PM
Hopefully this kid gets a full season with the C-board and see some mop up duties too. ................. AND yes - I saw it too!!!!

I agree. He made rookie mistakes, but as a rookie, Campbell is a far better prospect than Ramsey was coming out. He's much more polished and has a better arm than Patrick does.

skins74
09-06-2005, 05:57 PM
Oh yeah Ramsey can get worse, as he showed plenty of times during the preseason. I don't how you can think that Ramsey is immune from regressing as an NFL player. There is absolutely no excuse for the INT he threw against Pittsburgh. His INTs in the preseason were a product of terrible decision making, which is something he has struggled with his whole career. Ramsey can also not change, which is as bad as getting worse for him. Hopefully, he'll get better. But its little more than hope.

What I saw from the pre season was a quarterback who is starting to trust his line again and one who is getting a little bit more comfortable in the pocket. With the line being intact and playing well he will have more time and will make fewer mistakes. He does need to work on throwing the ball away but I think if he has time to make his reads he will make a good throw. I also think the chemistry is getting better between him and the receivers,it already has with Cooley.

akhhorus
09-06-2005, 06:00 PM
What I saw from the pre season was a quarterback who is starting to trust his line again and one who is getting a little bit more comfortable in the pocket. With the line being intact and playing well he will have more time and will make fewer mistakes. He does need to work on throwing the ball away but I think if he has time to make his reads he will make a good throw. I also think the chemistry is getting better between him and the receivers,it already has with Cooley.

I saw some improvement too, but I also saw a QB who can't utilize his speedy wideouts properly because he underthrows the deep ball as well. Ramsey will be what he has been so far, occasionally good, occasionally bad. Having Portis as the engine of the offense will make his mistakes less important and having better wideouts will help also. But unless he makes the next step and puts it all together, he'll be what he is: inconsistant.

Axegrinder
09-06-2005, 06:03 PM
For an intelligent guy who doesn't own a supercomputer and doesn't have a lot of free time,you sure can compile statistics and numbers.On that note,what are my six[6] lottery numbers to be played this week?

Another fine job by the CIC!!! :beer:

As for my lottery reference,I've tried everything else and it hasn't worked.
You're my next hope. :)

IowaSkinsFan
09-06-2005, 06:03 PM
I agree. He made rookie mistakes, but as a rookie, Campbell is a far better prospect than Ramsey was coming out. He's much more polished and has a better arm than Patrick does.

Agreed, but if Campbell can sit this first year and avoid the trial by fire that Ramsey went through in the SS offense, then I think he will be better for it. JC is on his 5th offense in 5 years, that can't be good or easy for anyone. I think it is best for all involved if JC doesn't see the field at all this season, other than from the sideline.

skins74
09-06-2005, 06:04 PM
I saw some improvement too, but I also saw a QB who can't utilize his speedy wideouts properly because he underthrows the deep ball as well. Ramsey will be what he has been so far, occasionally good, occasionally bad. Having Portis as the engine of the offense will make his mistakes less important and having better wideouts will help also. But unless he makes the next step and puts it all together, he'll be what he is: inconsistant.


Yeah I saw the deep balls too. I don't understand why he can't throw them a little further. People have been messing with his mechanics trying to help him put more air under the ball, now he is putting too much. I still think with time he can get that worked out or maybe he was throwing it to the spot where Laverneous would have been.

The Skinsinator
09-06-2005, 06:05 PM
If Ramsey doesn't display consistency this season, I really don't think he ever will. There are numerous weapons surrounding him with a very good oline. I have no doubt this is his "do or die" season. Frankly, I really don't know what to expect, but I was hoping to see a little more in preseason than what I did.

skins74
09-06-2005, 06:07 PM
I agree, this is the year to get it done, he said that himself. All the pieces are around him and I think he will succeed.

Patrick
09-06-2005, 06:12 PM
I agree. He made rookie mistakes, but as a rookie, Campbell is a far better prospect than Ramsey was coming out. He's much more polished and has a better arm than Patrick does.

I don't know .... Maybe ..... BUT you know what the true difference between the two are.... JC knows what it is like to Win (college anyway) - Patrick hasn't experienced that in the pros or college. Regardless, I'm not going to go throught all the comparison anymore ....... We are just about to game day - Coach Gibbs has his starter and I'm hoping for the best. AND to me that would mean a WIN!

silverspring
09-06-2005, 06:13 PM
I think the realistic question gibbs/us(back seat coaches) will need to be asking by mid season is this:

If we are winning games with ramsey at the helm of course he must be obviously doing some good things, but if at the same time he is still continuing to make dumb mistakes do you sit him anyways?

Lets say after game 8 we got 5 wins and 15 interceptions.

Personally I would still let him play if he is on schedule to take us to a 10-6 season even if he has 100 interceptions. Of course I am a ramseyite.

saviour
09-06-2005, 06:22 PM
Ramsey only really has two INT filled games and 6 total games where he throws more than 1 INT in my scenario. Considering that we haven't seen Ramsey play more than 11 games in a season, and I have him playing 13-my stats aren't out of line for him. And if you would actually go through it game by game, you would see that Ramsey has enough good games to justify keeping him in there. He just has a few total meltdowns. Which he has had throughout his career.

I did go through it game by game and you stated that he will have a number of games in which he will throw less than a 50% clip. That is a no-no in a Gibbs system as the QB's job is to keep the chains moving with short to intermediate passes with the occassional PA deep ball.

Gibbs will lose his mind if Ramsey became that inaccurate in a system that is meant to keep the chains moving. Pat will look deep, if it is not open then dump it off to Portis or Cooley. If he cant do that Gibbs will bench him fast.

Ramsey does not have the freedom and trust of his coaches to stray from the system like a Plummer or Farve would. Those guys throw a ton of ints becuase they are always trying to make something happen. Ramsey is trying so hard to keep his job that he will just run the plays as drawn up.

By no means am I saying that he wont get picked a few times but I trust that Gibbs will not allow any of his players to look that bad. He never did it in the past and I dont see him doing it now.

akhhorus
09-06-2005, 06:25 PM
I don't know .... Maybe ..... BUT you know what the true difference between the two are.... JC knows what it is like to Win (college anyway) - Patrick hasn't experienced that in the pros or college. Regardless, I'm not going to go throught all the comparison anymore ....... We are just about to game day - Coach Gibbs has his starter and I'm hoping for the best. AND to me that would mean a WIN!

I think the major difference between the two coming out of college(and it shows) is that Ramsey played in a run and shoot offense than didn't require really reading defenses because the flood of wideouts means that someone is always open and you wouldn't face ubercomplicated defenses and forced him to dance around a bit in the pocket just because of the lack of blockers. Campbell came from a pro style modified west coast attack where he had to actually run an offense that didn't have 4-5 recievers going out into formation. So Campbell had to trust his playbook and make it work and Ramsey just had to watch for the open wideout.

saviour
09-06-2005, 06:26 PM
Yeah I saw the deep balls too. I don't understand why he can't throw them a little further. People have been messing with his mechanics trying to help him put more air under the ball, now he is putting too much. I still think with time he can get that worked out or maybe he was throwing it to the spot where Laverneous would have been.

This appears to me that Ramsey is not used to over throwing his recievers and letting them run underneath the ball. He looks like he is trying to be to precise sometimes. Those underthrown balls will be picked off if he doesnt gain some trust in his recievers ability to make plays.

akhhorus
09-06-2005, 06:35 PM
This appears to me that Ramsey is not used to over throwing his recievers and letting them run underneath the ball. He looks like he is trying to be to precise sometimes. Those underthrown balls will be picked off if he doesnt gain some trust in his recievers ability to make plays.

I seem to recall him having similar problems even when Coles was healthy. We'll see. He has 2 extremely fast wideouts, and that will make things better for Ramsey.

BIGSEF3
09-06-2005, 06:46 PM
This appears to me that Ramsey is not used to over throwing his recievers and letting them run underneath the ball. He looks like he is trying to be to precise sometimes. Those underthrown balls will be picked off if he doesnt gain some trust in his recievers ability to make plays.

He put trust in cooley for that TD pass, thats for dang sure.

saviour
09-06-2005, 07:00 PM
He put trust in cooley for that TD pass, thats for dang sure.

Yeah, but that was a short pass in which he didnt have to gauge the recievers speed. He put in a a spot in which Cooley had to get it. It should have been more towards the corner but it was far enough from the safety that it wouldnt have been picked unless the safety was running to that spot at full speed.

His first read should have been Sellars in the flat which would have brought the DB's out of the endzone and made that pass a hell of alot easier. Pat's confidence in Cooley in the endzone may came back to bite him if he doesnt stop playing favorites.

Rich77
09-06-2005, 07:00 PM
thats stats and predictions are insane, but possible i suppose. you have no faith that ramsey will be able to eliminate turnovers

Ramsey needs lots of practice. Brunell does not. If Brunell starts, we will be 2-0. If Ramsey starts. we will be 1-1 at best.

MWballer
09-06-2005, 07:00 PM
Gr8 article and i respect ur oppinion and all but i hope the season doesnt turn out like that. Gibbs doesnt just play around with his QB's like that to me once he pulls Ramsey he'll be done for the year. Ur Campbell prediction is pretty optimistic considering hes a rookie why arent ur season predictions the same way lol.

Meatsnack
09-06-2005, 07:04 PM
Fun read.

My only probelm with any of it was the prediction of Ramsey's extremely low completion %. He has never been as bad as projected (at least 2 games around 30%, less than 50% for the season) and he has improved that part of his game every season, I believe.

I also think that Portis is coming into the season with a chip on his shoulder. If our o-line stays healthy, a 2000-yard season isn't out of the question. If we have Portis going for buck week in and week out, it makes playing QB a lot easier. Effective play-action with the kind of speed we have on the outside? Scary.

Skinz4lyfe
09-06-2005, 07:16 PM
I don't think Akh is a Ramsey hater but I do believe he's being a little harsh on him. I think he'll be about at a 58% completion rate w/18TDs and 16Ints. 20 Ints is not out of the question but I can't see him having so few TD passes. I believe his TD/Int ratio will be close to 1 to 1. I wanna see Ramsey scan the field better and use the pump fake to his advantage. He also needs to work w/his receivers better to get their timing down. Throw the ball deep because you now have some fast receivers Mr. Ramsey. Using Cooley in the middle of the field will help too. Look at it like this. Detroit is still working on Joey Harrington even though he was a higher pick and has started WAY more games then Ramsey has. They're both equally inconsistent. I just hope Ramsey can put it together this year for the good of his career and the Redskin franchise. Only time will tell.

redskifreak
09-06-2005, 09:59 PM
well after really looking at the schedule i believe its a 10-6 year if ramsey can at least not kill us!

20 int from him is a bit harsh but after seeing brunell play this preseason im trying to figure out why he isnt starting anyways..... i know why but damn he played his ass off !!!!!!

cant see moss having over 1100 yards since he hasnt done it yet but would love to see a break out year from him honestly....

patten will be the go to guy i feel.... he seems to be clutch imo.

RedskinsVision
09-06-2005, 10:12 PM
looks like our Offense is going to be the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly all season long. almost 1700 yards with 15 TD's by Portis and a combined 235 catches, 3102 yards, 14 TD's from our new Posse but 26 INT's thrown by our QB's.. wow! that will be one fun and frustrating season to watch. it's pretty obvious our QB play will define our season.. but 26?! Gibbs will stop passing all together after INT #18.

whitskins
09-06-2005, 11:09 PM
looks like our Offense is going to be the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly all season long. almost 1700 yards with 15 TD's by Portis and a combined 235 catches, 3102 yards, 14 TD's from our new Posse but 26 INT's thrown by our QB's.. wow! that will be one fun and frustrating season to watch. it's pretty obvious our QB play will define our season.. but 26?! Gibbs will stop passing all together after INT #18.

I agree. If Patrick has a 1/2 TD to INT ratio after two games then he gets pulled, Gibbs simply won't stand for our QB to consistently give away games.

silverspring
09-07-2005, 01:06 AM
I agree. If Patrick has a 1/2 TD to INT ratio after two games then he gets pulled, Gibbs simply won't stand for our QB to consistently give away games.

What if we still win both the games?

hockeygoalie29
09-07-2005, 01:08 AM
Wow Akh, 190 yards per game, 10 TD's to 20 INT's on the season and a 44% completion percentage for Ramsey? I think that is a little harsh to say the least. Historically, Ramsey has a career 56% completion percentage, a 1.18 TD to INT ratio (far better than the .5 you credited him for), and about 220 yards per game. Not to mention that it can be argued with little debate that he has the best supporting cast and best coaches and system of his entire career.

I'm not saying Ramsey is the long term answer, but I think that if given the entire season, he should have about 21 TD's, 15 INT's and around 3500 yards if he can stay healthy. Not the greatest numbers in the world but definately good enough to carry us to a 10 or 11 win season.


With regards to the game predictions, I don't see us losing to the Giants and especially don't see us turning the ball over 4 times again to these guys. I'd also say we split with Philly after the 2 close games last season and I think we edge out KC. Thier defense is too suspect to pull out a win. I think that in the matchup of a strong D verses a potent offense and a mediocre offense versus a very weak D that the strong D and mediocre offense have the advantage.

Overall you have done a temendous job mapping out the details of each game. I am very impressed and would not be overly suprised if the season turned out the way you have layed out. I also think 8-8 against a harder schedule would be a good improvement over the 6 win season last year and would point to good times ahead when the QB situation stabalizes.


P.S. The scenerio you have with Ramsey and Campbell reminds me a lot of the Giants last year with Kurt Warner and Eli Manning.

whitskins
09-07-2005, 01:41 AM
What if we still win both the games?

It would make pulling the switch tougher but I don't really see a way we could win both games if Patrick is throwing twice as many INTs as TDs, especially against Dallas.

gravesUKRedskin
09-07-2005, 06:46 AM
....but here's another theory. I agree with you that Ramsey may struggle, but I think our improved running game (and oh yes it will be improved) will actually help our passing game, not the other way around people think. To start, defences will play slightly off the line to watch our quicker WR's, which will allow CP and LB more room to run. Then, as the defence steps up to defend the run, that is when our WR's will step up. We don't need a great passing game, we just need A PASSING GAME! The question that has quite rightly been raised is can Ramsey do the job. After watching the Pittsburg game I think we may be seeing him starting to settle more, but only a regular season game will tell us the truth.

:Peace:

Redblood
09-07-2005, 07:06 AM
Wow Akh, 190 yards per game, 10 TD's to 20 INT's on the season and a 44% completion percentage for Ramsey? I think that is a little harsh to say the least. Historically, Ramsey has a career 56% completion percentage, a 1.18 TD to INT ratio (far better than the .5 you credited him for), and about 220 yards per game.

I think that if given the entire season, he should have about 21 TD's, 15 INT's and around 3500 yards if he can stay healthy.

In the matchup of a strong D verses a potent offense and a mediocre offense versus a very weak D that the strong D and mediocre offense have the advantage.

Overall you have done a temendous job mapping out the details of each game. I am very impressed and would not be overly suprised if the season turned out the way you have layed out. I also think 8-8 against a harder schedule would be a good improvement over the 6 win season last year and would point to good times ahead when the QB situation stabalizes.




Well spoken, Hockeygoalie29! Great way to pull the stats out on AKH!

I tried to follow you on strong D mediocre O argument, and was puzzled as to just who you feel we are. I like our strong D, and more complete, more balanced O.

I disagree with AKH on PRams stats, as well as the eventual insertion of Campbell. I do expect to see Brunnell at some point, however, Campbell will not see the field this year. I agree with AKH on the outcome of the year. I also see us at 8-8, 9-7, but would not be shocked to see us with 10 wins either. I would be thrilled, actually.

On another note AKH, your Avatar looks nothing like the picture of you, your wife, and family from an earlier HR get-together. Your secret is out. You are not quite that young looking.

akhhorus
09-07-2005, 02:18 PM
Wow Akh, 190 yards per game, 10 TD's to 20 INT's on the season and a 44% completion percentage for Ramsey? I think that is a little harsh to say the least. Historically, Ramsey has a career 56% completion percentage, a 1.18 TD to INT ratio (far better than the .5 you credited him for), and about 220 yards per game. Not to mention that it can be argued with little debate that he has the best supporting cast and best coaches and system of his entire career.

But this is like saying, Portis averaged 5.5 yards per carry so far in his career, there's no way he averages 3.8 yards per carry!

I'm not saying Ramsey is the long term answer, but I think that if given the entire season, he should have about 21 TD's, 15 INT's and around 3500 yards if he can stay healthy. Not the greatest numbers in the world but definately good enough to carry us to a 10 or 11 win season.

Like ive said, I hope you're right.


With regards to the game predictions, I don't see us losing to the Giants and especially don't see us turning the ball over 4 times again to these guys. I'd also say we split with Philly after the 2 close games last season and I think we edge out KC. Thier defense is too suspect to pull out a win. I think that in the matchup of a strong D verses a potent offense and a mediocre offense versus a very weak D that the strong D and mediocre offense have the advantage.

We shouldn't have lost to the Giants over the last 3 seasons at all. They always play us tough. I don't see us beating Philly this year, but we'll see. Yes, KC has a suspect Defense, but I don't think even the skins' defense can deal with their offense especially with the offense forcing the issue if KC gets up a couple scores. We'll see. if the Skins can establish Portis early in every game, they will be very successful. If the Skins are forced to rely on Ramsey making plays to win, it will be an inconsistant season.

akhhorus
09-07-2005, 02:36 PM
On another note AKH, your Avatar looks nothing like the picture of you, your wife, and family from an earlier HR get-together. Your secret is out. You are not quite that young looking.

My wife and family? wtf?

akhhorus
09-07-2005, 02:38 PM
....but here's another theory. I agree with you that Ramsey may struggle, but I think our improved running game (and oh yes it will be improved) will actually help our passing game, not the other way around people think. To start, defences will play slightly off the line to watch our quicker WR's, which will allow CP and LB more room to run. Then, as the defence steps up to defend the run, that is when our WR's will step up. We don't need a great passing game, we just need A PASSING GAME! The question that has quite rightly been raised is can Ramsey do the job. After watching the Pittsburg game I think we may be seeing him starting to settle more, but only a regular season game will tell us the truth.

:Peace:


I agree in theory, and as long as Portis is the offense and is effective, Ramsey's problems wouldn't be as big an issue. The problem I see happening is if Portis/running game can't get established and Ramsey is forced to make plays to keep the skins in the game.

Patrick
09-08-2005, 08:34 AM
I agree in theory, and as long as Portis is the offense and is effective, Ramsey's problems wouldn't be as big an issue. The problem I see happening is if Portis/running game can't get established and Ramsey is forced to make plays to keep the skins in the game.



ahhhhhhh......the BIG ?, and we won't know until Sunday about 1330 what shape it's going to take. BUT from what I did see when Portis was in this preseason - things are looking a lot better this year to start out with than last. ........ Third and short is going to be a beautiful thing this year - IF you know what I mean.

skins74
09-08-2005, 08:41 AM
ahhhhhhh......the BIG ?, and we won't know until Sunday about 1330 what shape it's going to take. BUT from what I did see when Portis was in this preseason - things are looking a lot better this year to start out with than last. ........ Third and short is going to be a beautiful thing this year - IF you know what I mean.

If the line blocks like they did in the Steelers game Portis will be unstoppable.