Brunell annoyed about something?

[swheeler]

I was watching TV earlier tonight and they mentioned that on the upcoming news there was a story about the "unhappy quarterbacks at Redskins Park". I didn't actually stay tuned for the segment, so I'm not sure what it was about. Did something happen with Brunell or Campbell now?

[redwolf1218]

i doubt it. sounds like another sensational headline. if they are upset, they should only be upset about their own lack of excellence.

[Joe-T]

lol, maybe they realize that being an EX-redskin QB is good thing.

what did these guys go on to do after the Skins said they were no good ?

1) Trent Green

2) Rich Gannon

3) Brad Johnson

4) Gus Ferrot (sp)

5) Sage Rosenfeild

6) Hasselbeck

.................I know there's one or two more I'm missing ,my point is we have'nt been that good at developing young QB's in the first place .





P.S. even a couple went on to win a super bowl ,hey what do we know ?

[akhhorus]

lol, maybe they realize that being an EX-redskin QB is good thing.

what did these guys go on to do after the Skins said they were no good ?

1) Trent Green

He also did play in a system that made Kurt Warner look like a legend...

2) Rich Gannon

One great year and then Kaput. And another guy who was a system QB.

3) Brad Johnson

Won a Super Bowl with Tampa, but the Defense won that, not Brad.

4) Gus Ferrot (sp)

5) Sage Rosenfeild

6) Hasselbeck

What have these guys done at all since leaving Washington again? Gus has played occasionally, but Sage is a career backup and Hasselback is a backup. I don't know if either 5 and 6 have thrown a pass since leaving Washington.

.................I know there's one or two more I'm missing ,my point is we have'nt been that good at developing young QB's in the first place .

Which is funny because Norv was supposed to be a QB guru, and he couldn't do squat for them. Much like Spurrier.





P.S. even a couple went on to win a super bowl ,hey what do we know ?

Yes, but they played against each other(Johnson and Gannon) and while Johnson's defense scored more than his offense did in that Super Bowl, Gannon did nothing. You might have a case with Gannon, but Johnson was llike Dilfer-just don't screw things up for the defense.

[NamVet4]

lol, maybe they realize that being an EX-redskin QB is good thing.

what did these guys go on to do after the Skins said they were no good ?

1) Trent Green

2) Rich Gannon

3) Brad Johnson

4) Gus Ferrot (sp)

5) Sage Rosenfeild

6) Hasselbeck

.................I know there's one or two more I'm missing ,my point is we have'nt been that good at developing young QB's in the first place .





P.S. even a couple went on to win a super bowl ,hey what do we know ?
Interesting point Joe-T!
And while not one of them has had what is considered a distinguished career, they had a time and place to play in the NFL. I am more concerned that our Beloved Team brought these players in here in the first place!
In the era of FA is there really any chance that a team can develop a young QB prospect? ( How many times do you get the confluence of events that propels a Ben Roethlisberger to glory?) Jason Campbell is our next chance. I hope we don't blow it!
Just my 2 cents....

[skins74]

We should have kept Trent Green, I really liked him, remember he never had really strong arm but he could avoid some blitzes and make plays. Brad Johnson sucks. Gannon had some good years.

[hail2skins]

The story was probably about Ramsey and they just used the plural on QB.

[Skinz4lyfe]

what did these guys go on to do after the Skins said they were no good ?

1) Trent Green

2) Rich Gannon

3) Brad Johnson

4) Gus Ferrot (sp)

5) Sage Rosenfeild

6) Hasselbeck


Interesting. I'll take a stab at it.

1. Green has put together a solid career in KC (and would have excelled in St. Louis). I was pissed when we let him go and I think he couldv'e done well here.
2. Gannon put together a couple of good seasons, taking a team to the SB as well. He could have been serviceable but not much better than what we have now IMO.
3. Brad has a weak arm and a glass jaw. Sure he was the last QB to take us to the playoffs but he's got a weak arm and wilts under pressure. He's better suited in a west coast offense (as apposed to a verticle style offense) because he's very accurate but cannot throw the ball very deep.
4. Gus? He's put together a couple of solid games but nothing noteworthy. After the head butt incident who wanted him back here anyway?
5. Sage? Career backup player who has done nothing in the NFL.

Can't think of anybody else off hand right now.

[wewantdallas]

We should have kept Trent Green, I really liked him, remember he never had really strong arm but he could avoid some blitzes and make plays. Brad Johnson sucks. Gannon had some good years.

We most likely WOULD have kept him if it hadn't been for the ownership change that was happening in the midst of his contract renegotiation. Snyder acquired the team late, and Green could no longer wait around for the Redskins to get their act together and get him signed, so he went elsewhere. It was just an unfortunate series of events. But yeah, I always liked Green a lot, and he seemed to do real well the short time he was with us.

If we'd kept him, who knows how different the last 10 years might have been. Not that he would have been a savior by any means, but we may well have had consistency at the spot for a number of years, which usually equates to better records.

[ramseyfan1]

i saw that on the news, it was about the media showing up at Ram's home and asking him how he felt about being benched. That really pissed both of them off because they are still claiming to be great friends, which i believe.

[golongdude]

I'd be pissed if they came to my home. And, of course, the media's need to create controversy.

How much of what we read is riled and massaged by the media into bigger issues than exist in reality? Oh for the days of TASS! (ok, I am joking).

[CarMike]

lol, maybe they realize that being an EX-redskin QB is good thing.

what did these guys go on to do after the Skins said they were no good ?

1) Trent Green

2) Rich Gannon

3) Brad Johnson

4) Gus Ferrot (sp)

5) Sage Rosenfeild

6) Hasselbeck

.................I know there's one or two more I'm missing ,my point is we have'nt been that good at developing young QB's in the first place .





P.S. even a couple went on to win a super bowl ,hey what do we know ?

You're reaching bro. The only QB I would want to have held on to was Trent Green. He's it. Brad Johnson was wanting big bucks from the Redskins. The rest aren't any better than Ramsey. Sage and Hasselbeck? Are you kidding? One's a third string QB in MIAMI! The other is a back up to Eli. No thanks.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

the media tries to make them sound bad no matter what...

[IowaSkinsFan]

lol, maybe they realize that being an EX-redskin QB is good thing.

what did these guys go on to do after the Skins said they were no good ?

1) Trent Green

2) Rich Gannon

3) Brad Johnson

4) Gus Ferrot (sp)

5) Sage Rosenfeild

6) Hasselbeck

P.S. even a couple went on to win a super bowl ,hey what do we know ?

Trent was on the winning team in the SB, but he didn't 'win' it.

Gannon lost in the SB.

Johnson beat Gannon in that SB.

Frerotte, Rosenfels and Hasselbeck haven't won anything.

[The Skinsinator]

Just a marketing ploy to lure in better results. Brunnel is more than happy about this decision. Even ESPN wrote an article specifically about that.

[silverspring]

lol, maybe they realize that being an EX-redskin QB is good thing.

what did these guys go on to do after the Skins said they were no good ?

1) Trent Green

2) Rich Gannon

3) Brad Johnson

4) Gus Ferrot (sp)

5) Sage Rosenfeild

6) Hasselbeck


I think the thing to recognize is exactly what everyone is pointing out, but you are all missing the point.

All these qbs weren't Tom Brady's or Favres. They had major weaknesses and problems whether that be Brads weak arm or Gus inconsistency. Yet teams were able to succeed with them, some at the highest level.

And the comments like Brad Johnson won on the bucs defense. Does anyone know another team that has a great defense and ok offense? The point is we don't need tom brady and instead of constantly looking for something better we should try working with what we got. Hell I wouldn't mind losing a superbowl because we didn't have a Mcnabb, I would just like to get there.

[Joe-T]

Trent was on the winning team in the SB, but he didn't 'win' it.

Gannon lost in the SB.

Johnson beat Gannon in that SB.

Frerotte, Rosenfels and Hasselbeck haven't won anything.

Frerotte(thank you) is a starter and has been in the league for a while the others are back ups who might not have won anything but nether have we !

Trent has a superbowl ring

as does Brad ,and Gannon came close in that time what have we done ?

[Joe-T]

I think the thing to recognize is exactly what everyone is pointing out, but you are all missing the point.

All these qbs weren't Tom Brady's or Favres. They had major weaknesses and problems whether that be Brads weak arm or Gus inconsistency. Yet teams were able to succeed with them, some at the highest level.

And the comments like Brad Johnson won on the bucs defense. Does anyone know another team that has a great defense and ok offense? The point is we don't need tom brady and instead of constantly looking for something better we should try working with what we got. Hell I wouldn't mind losing a superbowl because we didn't have a Mcnabb, I would just like to get there.

Lets look north ...BALTIMORE , Trent Dilfer !

[akhhorus]

I think the thing to recognize is exactly what everyone is pointing out, but you are all missing the point.

All these qbs weren't Tom Brady's or Favres. They had major weaknesses and problems whether that be Brads weak arm or Gus inconsistency. Yet teams were able to succeed with them, some at the highest level.

And the comments like Brad Johnson won on the bucs defense. Does anyone know another team that has a great defense and ok offense? The point is we don't need tom brady and instead of constantly looking for something better we should try working with what we got. Hell I wouldn't mind losing a superbowl because we didn't have a Mcnabb, I would just like to get there.

I count Trent Green(who won a super bowl on IR and made 2 pro bowl appearances), Brad(who won a super bowl) and Rich gannon(two good years and one super bowl appearance). Why are Gus, Sage and Hasselback on this list again? They've done nothing as QBs. And if you want to throw blame for this, point most of it towards Houston and at Casserly and Oakland, at Norv. Trent Green left because Norv and Casserly low balled him in contract talks. Gannon left because Norv and Casserly cut him. Gus was a norv/Casserly child. Brad Johnson was undermined by Snyder and Norv with the signing of Jeff George. Sage and Hasselback? Who the hell cares about those two.

[silverspring]

I count Trent Green(who won a super bowl on IR and made 2 pro bowl appearances), Brad(who won a super bowl) and Rich gannon(two good years and one super bowl appearance). Why are Gus, Sage and Hasselback on this list again? They've done nothing as QBs. And if you want to throw blame for this, point most of it towards Houston and at Casserly and Oakland, at Norv. Trent Green left because Norv and Casserly low balled him in contract talks. Gannon left because Norv and Casserly cut him. Gus was a norv/Casserly child. Brad Johnson was undermined by Snyder and Norv with the signing of Jeff George. Sage and Hasselback? Who the hell cares about those two.

I think some will disagree that they did nothing. But if that is the case then you can say they have done nothing as an individual and you would be right, but my point is their team did something. In the end who cares what their qb did as long as you get to watch your team in post season those beers still taste just as good. Look how our defense plays, parts are interchangable.

[Keino]

I think the thing to recognize is exactly what everyone is pointing out, but you are all missing the point.

All these qbs weren't Tom Brady's or Favres. They had major weaknesses and problems whether that be Brads weak arm or Gus inconsistency. Yet teams were able to succeed with them, some at the highest level.

And the comments like Brad Johnson won on the bucs defense. Does anyone know another team that has a great defense and ok offense? The point is we don't need tom brady and instead of constantly looking for something better we should try working with what we got. Hell I wouldn't mind losing a superbowl because we didn't have a Mcnabb, I would just like to get there.


3 of the 6 have had success. Being an ex-Redskin is a 50-50 proposition as it relates to future success.

Gannon was on the worst Redskins team I've ever seen and didn't re-emerge until 7 years later. He had to go.

Trent Green, as has been pointed out, became a Free Agent before the ownership situation was settled, and therefore chose to go elsewhere. AT the time, the Rams threw an incredible amount of money his way and he immediately tore his ACL. I think Norval tried to keep him, but the Rams made him an offer we were in no position to match and it led directly to the acquisition of:

Brad Johnson, was the only QB on this list that we could've realistically kept on our roster. Notice that not one of the criticisms of him is making poor decisions, but his arm strength. This leads back to your point, which is we don't need a Brett Favre or Tom Brady, just a guy who won't lose the game for us by turning the ball over and demorilizing our hard working defense with boneheaded plays and holding the ball too long.

[akhhorus]

I think some will disagree that they did nothing. But if that is the case then you can say they have done nothing as an individual and you would be right, but my point is their team did something. In the end who cares what their qb did as long as you get to watch your team in post season those beers still taste just as good. Look how our defense plays, parts are interchangable.

Sage and Hasselback have a grand total of 225 attempts in 19 games. Thats nothing. Gus hasn't started more than 6 games since he left the skins(although that might change this year). They don't belong in this debate. There is a valid point with Trent Green, Brad and maybe Gannon(but he didn't do anything for 5 years after he left the skins and he only played in 8 games in 2 years for the skins).

[skins111111]

Is Gibbs grooming Brunell to be the next Dilfer........just don't lose type QB?
he can do that but we still need the odd long ball to loosen up the D for our ground game.

[silverspring]

3 of the 6 have had success. Being an ex-Redskin is a 50-50 proposition as it relates to future success.

Gannon was on the worst Redskins team I've ever seen and didn't re-emerge until 7 years later. He had to go.

Trent Green, as has been pointed out, became a Free Agent before the ownership situation was settled, and therefore chose to go elsewhere. AT the time, the Rams threw an incredible amount of money his way and he immediately tore his ACL. I think Norval tried to keep him, but the Rams made him an offer we were in no position to match and it led directly to the acquisition of:

Brad Johnson, was the only QB on this list that we could've realistically kept on our roster. Notice that not one of the criticisms of him is making poor decisions, but his arm strength. This leads back to your point, which is we don't need a Brett Favre or Tom Brady, just a guy who won't lose the game for us by turning the ball over and demorilizing our hard working defense with boneheaded plays and holding the ball too long.

so sure some of these people just happened to be in the right place at the right time. and yes you are right and if brunell can be that guy we should be able to win. i thought ramsey was that guy the second half of last season he played well enough that if our playcalling and such was better we should have won a couple more. But it just seems like our roster is always the problem, the excuse. I think a good coach with a good system should be able to take any nfl team to the first round of the playoffs. too much emphasis is being put on the roster and not enough on the system. That is why the pats are winning year in and year out.

[Joe-T]

Is Gibbs grooming Brunell to be the next Dilfer........just don't lose type QB?
he can do that but we still need the odd long ball to loosen up the D for our ground game.

It looks that way ,Gibbs is feeling the heat .Again I ask in the time all those QB's have come and gone what have we done?

[silverspring]

Sage and Hasselback have a grand total of 225 attempts in 19 games. Thats nothing. Gus hasn't started more than 6 games since he left the skins(although that might change this year). They don't belong in this debate. There is a valid point with Trent Green, Brad and maybe Gannon(but he didn't do anything for 5 years after he left the skins and he only played in 8 games in 2 years for the skins).

I agree. I was bringing out a bit of a different point though. I do think a mediocre qb has more of a chance of succeeding then a good one that is thrown into the fire.

[akhhorus]

It looks that way ,Gibbs is feeling the heat .Again I ask in the time all those QB's have come and gone what have we done?

So, why dont we also bring up all the crappy kickers, Rbs, wideouts, Tes, Olinemen, Dlinemen, Lbs, Cbs, etc etc etc during that time? While the Qb position has been bad for awhile, it is hardly the only reason for the skins' problems in the last 10 years or so.

[Skins.Fan]

lol, maybe they realize that being an EX-redskin QB is good thing.

what did these guys go on to do after the Skins said they were no good ?

1) Trent Green

2) Rich Gannon

3) Brad Johnson

4) Gus Ferrot (sp)

5) Sage Rosenfeild

6) Hasselbeck

.................I know there's one or two more I'm missing ,my point is we have'nt been that good at developing young QB's in the first place .





P.S. even a couple went on to win a super bowl ,hey what do we know ?


I suppose you could include Stan Humphries on that list too. He took San Diego to the Super Bowl the year they went.

This kind of thing happens all the time, though. It isn't a Redskins-specific phenomenon. We also drafted Frank Wycheck ('93) and Keenan McCardell ('91) and they went on to great careers in other places.

Personnel issues have been at the heart of our struggles for the last decade-plus. Your post was just one facet of those struggles.

[Gclark84]

Interesting point Joe-T!
And while not one of them has had what is considered a distinguished career, they had a time and place to play in the NFL. I am more concerned that our Beloved Team brought these players in here in the first place!
In the era of FA is there really any chance that a team can develop a young QB prospect? ( How many times do you get the confluence of events that propels a Ben Roethlisberger to glory?) Jason Campbell is our next chance. I hope we don't blow it!
Just my 2 cents....

I like Ben R but the Skins defense and several other teams made him look ordinary in games last year. The Steeler defense and running game led to his success last Year. If you recall when we played the Steelers in Pittsburgh that Randel EL did us in with his long returns more than Ben did with his arm and if we had any kind of life in our offence we win that game!

[syphy]

You forgot Stan Humphries.


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doh, looks like SkinsFan beat me to it

[Brokenstriker]

lol, maybe they realize that being an EX-redskin QB is good thing.

what did these guys go on to do after the Skins said they were no good ?

1) Trent Green

2) Rich Gannon

3) Brad Johnson

4) Gus Ferrot (sp)

5) Sage Rosenfeild

6) Hasselbeck

.................I know there's one or two more I'm missing ,my point is we have'nt been that good at developing young QB's in the first place .





P.S. even a couple went on to win a super bowl ,hey what do we know ?


and which coach was the last one to successfully develop a young QB? ... Gibbs. Trent Green ... and Mark Rypien before that.

[Joe-T]

You forgot Stan Humphries.


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doh, looks like SkinsFan beat me to it
LOL, yup I did sorry .I knew there was someone else I just could'nt remember. :lol1:

[PyroGenic]

He also did play in a system that made Kurt Warner look like a legend...



One great year and then Kaput. And another guy who was a system QB.

is it the same? Rams relied on a pass heavy attack while the chiefs are more of a running team. I know its the same coach but it doesn't look like the same system. I don't understand why you don't think Trent isn't a good quarterback. He's better than 75% of the starting QBs in the NFC east :)





is it the same? Rams relied on a pass heavy attack while the chiefs are more of a running team. I know its the same coach but it doesn't look like the same system. I don't understand why you don't think Trent isn't a good quarterback. He's better than 75% of the starting QBs in the NFC east :)

[akhhorus]

is it the same? Rams relied on a pass heavy attack while the chiefs are more of a running team. I know its the same coach but it doesn't look like the same system. I don't understand why you don't think Trent isn't a good quarterback. He's better than 75% of the starting QBs in the NFC east :)

Trent is running the same offense in KC as was ran in St Louis. And technically, he was running a similar version of it during his one good year in DC(Martz was his QB coach here). Both are run first attacks, but with great play action. St Louis only has been an effective offensive team when they have a very good running attack. While Trent has been extremely effective in KC, I don't think if you put him on any team he would be successful. He has arguably the best Oline in football(one of the best in recent memory), one legendary RB(and another good one) and one of the best TEs to play ever.

[Spence]

I edited the title of the thread. Not a huge deal, just something I thought would be more appropriate.

[The Iceman]

Trent is running the same offense in KC as was ran in St Louis. And technically, he was running a similar version of it during his one good year in DC(Martz was his QB coach here). Both are run first attacks, but with great play action. St Louis only has been an effective offensive team when they have a very good running attack. While Trent has been extremely effective in KC, I don't think if you put him on any team he would be successful. He has arguably the best Oline in football(one of the best in recent memory), one legendary RB(and another good one) and one of the best TEs to play ever.
I agree, Trent has been set up for success. It is not like he carries his team. Not even close. He has all the offensive tools.

[colkurtz]

We should have kept Trent Green and Stan Humprhries. Bad move to let them go.

Brad Johnson was certainly bettr than Jeff George - that was Dan Snyder's worst moment.

Ramsey will go down in [Redskin] history as a little better than Heath Shuler - but a draft bust, much the same. Lots of potential that never panned out. I don't see him making it anywhere else unless he improves a lot. Who's going to give him better OL pass protection or running game than he has here?