Why is everyone so convinced Campbell is "it"?

[Redskinmayhem]

I'm just wondering because other than his senior year, I really haven't seen anything else that would tell me he's our franchise QB. Ram looked good in college too and so did Heath. Besides, what did he do in the pre-season? Granted, I didn't see most of the games but of what I did see, he looks like a rookie. I don't know how most of you expect him to start in the VERY near future and take us to the promise land. I just don't think he's ready. Next year, MAYBE. Not this year though. Unless our season goes down the toilet fast. I'm honeslty just wondering why everyone sees so much promise in this kid. Don't get me wrong, I like him and I like the pick, but it seems like alot of people here are prematurely crowning him the best QB we've had in while. Someone please explain. Maybe I'm missing something.

[Redskinmayhem]

I guess, I'm just jaded after Heath and Ram. :cry:

[NamVet4]

Redskinmayhem, I think there is a desperate, immediate need among our fellow posters to feel good about a QB, any QB! :)
Right now Campbell is just another prospect, granted highly rated, who is waiting his turn. Circumstances will dictate when that turn occurs.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Good question. I can only assume its because he can make all the throws and has good mobility. Growing up in AL I did watch himi from time to time and I wasn't really impressed until his senior year. It seemed like he really "got it" by then. However, he's learning his 5th different offense in 5 yrs. It'll take him some time but the jury remains out on him. But you know as they always say, the backup QB is always the favorite football player in town (or something like that).

[GibbsFan]

You are right, there is nothing to prove that he will be successful NFL QB. But, the upside is resilent, having gone through 4 OC while in college. He's mobile, a needed advantage for NFL defenses. Good arm, and good decision maker last year, but beyond that there is no proof that he can be successful. But then there was no proof that Ryan Leaf could be an excellent NFL QB but many people thought he would be. I don't think he's ready, but I sure hope he gets ready fast.

[BigPlayJay]

I personally don't want to see him until next season.


I think the mentality seems to be that we need a perfect looking franchise QB. WE need to draft him, let him play through his lumps and then watch him become the next manning or Favre. Newsflash: it rarely works that way folks!

Brunell dosen't fit into the perfect plan obviously. Patrick clearly isn't headed down that road so Jason is the next great hope.

Personally, I will take anything at QB that will win the next game.

[skins74]

Redskinmayhem, I think there is a desperate, immediate need among our fellow posters to feel good about a QB, any QB! :)
Right now Campbell is just another prospect, granted highly rated, who is waiting his turn. Circumstances will dictate when that turn occurs.

NamVet summed it up well and to add to it I think its because we don't have any hope or confidence in Brunell-Ramsey.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'm just wondering because other than his senior year, I really haven't seen anything else that would tell me he's our franchise QB. Ram looked good in college too and so did Heath. Besides, what did he do in the pre-season? Granted, I didn't see most of the games but of what I did see, he looks like a rookie. I don't know how most of you expect him to start in the VERY near future and take us to the promise land. I just don't think he's ready. Next year, MAYBE. Not this year though. Unless our season goes down the toilet fast. I'm honeslty just wondering why everyone sees so much promise in this kid. Don't get me wrong, I like him and I like the pick, but it seems like alot of people here are prematurely crowning him the best QB we've had in while. Someone please explain. Maybe I'm missing something.

Who has said Campbell is "It"? All we have been discussing is the change to Brunell and if/when we would see Campbell.

[BigPlayJay]

Who has said Campbell is "It"? All we have been discussing is the change to Brunell and if/when we would see Campbell.
Many people on this board have expressed the desire to go with JC. Also "experts" like Bradshaw have written articles about it.

[hail2skins]

The name "Washington Redskins" should answer this question.

[dj_stouty]

Campbell was fairly successful at Auburn despite having 4 different offensive schemes each of his 4 years in school. I've seen quite a few Auburn games, and the guy can flat out PLAY.

I think drafting Campbell could very well be the best move Gibbs has ever made.

Only time will tell...

[BIGSEF3]

I have been thinking about this too. Not too long ago, alot of people felt Ramsey would be the savior of this franchise. All I can say is that Campbell is going to be "it" because we NEED him to be.

[BigPlayJay]

I think drafting Campbell could very well be the best move Gibbs has ever made.

Only time will tell...
I hope your right.

[tyrone_rush_fan]

I guess, I'm just jaded after Heath and Ram. :cry:

The big arm and mobility are great, but more importantly he has "it"- which I define as a confidence and coolness on the field. So don't lump this guy in with those "happy feet" of Heath and Ram.

[smoak]

I don't see Campbell as anything other than a smart accurate passer that can be average and lead this his team to the playoffs (assuming we continue to have a top 10 defense).

[BigPlayJay]

I really don't see any way anyone can make an acurate assesment of what jason will be in the NFL. Like was said before, we have to wait and see.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Many people on this board have expressed the desire to go with JC. Also "experts" like Bradshaw have written articles about it.

A desire to see him play is just that, wanting to see him on the field and see what he's got. It doesn't necessarily mean he is it.

After watching Patrick struggle, I think we know not to assume someone is IT.

[BigPlayJay]

A desire to see him play is just that, wanting to see him on the field and see what he's got. It doesn't necessarily mean he is it.

After watching Patrick struggle, I think we know not to assume someone is IT.
True. I know I would have like to seen him play alot more in the Preseason.

[akhhorus]

Besides his obvious physical talents, I like because because of his quote about the whole Ramsey situation. He gets it and understands that just because you are the starter and you're benched, doesn't mean its time to whine about it or time to give up and ask for a trade.

His quote:
"When it happened, it hurt my feelings," Campbell said. "But deep down inside I had a lot of pride. I knew that I could still go out there and do it. It was just a block in the road. You have to keep the faith. It's just a test of your faith."

[golongdude]

I think we all just need someone to hope in for that position as the current QBs don't leave us with much hope at all. Been a long time for feeling so bleak about this...

[CarMike]

For me he's part Brunell [in his early days of course] and Ramsey. Strong arm and mobile. He played at the highest level in college and performed very, very well.

We're all hoping that he's the real deal. It seems like its been forever since we've had a reliable QB.

[cnhnyy]

Well, every fan of every team thinks the YOUNG QB who holds a clipboard is their best QB. Why? Because they have not stunk it up on the field yet.

[Redskinmayhem]

Well, I was just wondering if I had missed something....Like I said, I like the guy alot for all the same reasons you all do. I was just questioning why it seems he's the one everyone one wants in the hot seat now.

I really hope he's is the one though.

One last thing- All the experts said Ram "can make all the throws". I think that might be the most over-used cliche about QB's. What I personally like about JC is that he's just as comfortable in the pocket as he is running around. That's something I don't think we've ever had here.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

He needs a year or two to watch and learn. He is defineately not the bast we got. Everyone forgets that Brunell is a former pro-bowler and playoff experienced.

[dirthogs]

The Jason Campbell pick was a Greg Williams pick, in the sense that Williams is the heir apparent for the HC job and Campbell will be Greg's guy. JC won't see the field unless the situation is really, really, really bad i.e. injuries or poor record. Gibbs master plan is to ride MB for 3-5 years retire, pass the team to Greg Williams and Campbell. Look at the first round picks ST, Carlos, who Williams wants to build the D around, along with Lavar, and Campbell a QB that Gibbs is hoping won't see the field while he's HC. Remember QB's usually take a min. of 3 years before they are NFL ready, Bibbs can't wait that long but Greg can.

[IowaSkinsFan]

The Jason Campbell pick was a Greg Williams pick, in the sense that Williams is the heir apparent for the HC job and Campbell will be Greg's guy. JC won't see the field unless the situation is really, really, really bad i.e. injuries or poor record. Gibbs master plan is to ride MB for 3-5 years retire, pass the team to Greg Williams and Campbell. Look at the first round picks ST, Carlos, who Williams wants to build the D around, along with Lavar, and Campbell a QB that Gibbs is hoping won't see the field while he's HC. Remember QB's usually take a min. of 3 years before they are NFL ready, Bibbs can't wait that long but Greg can.

Head coaches don't draft players for their successors. There is no guarantee the GW will even be here when Gibbs steps down. JC was a Joe Gibbs pick.

[dirthogs]

Head coaches don't draft players for their successors. There is no guarantee the GW will even be here when Gibbs steps down. JC was a Joe Gibbs pick.Why did he draft ST instead of Winslow. How come Carlos insted of Mike Williams. Gibbs is tring to structure the Redskins to win now yes, but he's also tring to insure the long term success of the team, and that includes keeping Greg Williams happy. Unlike other coaches Gibbs knows he's not going to be here, as a HC for a decade, so I do believe he's keeping Williams happy and Williams will replace Gibbs as HC. It is a likly scenerio that JC does play a year or two under Gibbs, but I think it's worst case scenerio type situation.

[Patrick]

I'm not on the JC bandwagon yet. I thought a QB was a bad pick at that spot in the last years draft and that there were too many other positions we needed to address. And as the QB of the future I have some deep concerns. Yes the kid might have all the phyical tool but his last year in college he was surround by awesome players which made him look that much better. Geezz, TWO of the most productive RBs in the nation sitting in his backfield. ...... I hope for the Skins sake he works out and will be pulling for him BUT I just don't know and have some major concerns about him making as a starting (productive) NFL QB.

[MoeRedskins]

Campbell is "It" because we have no other choice but to believe it. We gave up a lot to get him, so until he absolutely flops on his face and joins the long line of bust Redskin QBs (which he won't), he is the future of this franchise.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Why did he draft ST instead of Winslow. How come Carlos insted of Mike Williams. Gibbs is tring to structure the Redskins to win now yes, but he's also tring to insure the long term success of the team, and that includes keeping Greg Williams happy. Unlike other coaches Gibbs knows he's not going to be here, as a HC for a decade, so I do believe he's keeping Williams happy and Williams will replace Gibbs as HC.

Those are all players that will help us win now. To think that Joe drafted a QB so that GW will have a QB 4 years from now is ludicrous. It is even more obvious with the quick hook that Joe put on Patrick that JC's future will be sooner as opposed to later.

No one in the country has written that Joe drafted JC for GW.

[MoeRedskins]

The Jason Campbell pick was a Greg Williams pick, in the sense that Williams is the heir apparent for the HC job and Campbell will be Greg's guy. JC won't see the field unless the situation is really, really, really bad i.e. injuries or poor record. Gibbs master plan is to ride MB for 3-5 years retire, pass the team to Greg Williams and Campbell. Look at the first round picks ST, Carlos, who Williams wants to build the D around, along with Lavar, and Campbell a QB that Gibbs is hoping won't see the field while he's HC. Remember QB's usually take a min. of 3 years before they are NFL ready, Bibbs can't wait that long but Greg can.

You know, I really really really hope Greg Williams becomes the HC of this team when Joe retires, but it is just niave to think that GW will stick around for 4 more years when he is going to get an offer every single offseason, eventually the right one might come around. A lot can happen in 4 years. Also, riding Brunell for 3-5 years is just nuts. The man one maybe two years left in him. If Brunell is the starting QB come 2009, we will be the worst team in football.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Why did he draft ST instead of Winslow. How come Carlos insted of Mike Williams. Gibbs is tring to structure the Redskins to win now yes, but he's also tring to insure the long term success of the team, and that includes keeping Greg Williams happy. Unlike other coaches Gibbs knows he's not going to be here, as a HC for a decade, so I do believe he's keeping Williams happy and Williams will replace Gibbs as HC. It is a likly scenerio that JC does play a year or two under Gibbs, but I think it's worst case scenerio type situation.

We don't even know what GW's opinion of JC was before or after the draft. There is no indication that Joe even consulted with GW about drafting JC.

Joe is the one that worked him out at Auburn, not GW. How can you assert that JC is a GW pick?

[Go redskins]

I simply think we can win with average QB if everyone else is above average. I think that is why coach did what he did. He saw Burnell do good last year against Dallas and because of the better talent he could bring the same showing as last year. When Washington and Dallas play emotions are high and you will need a cool headed qb to lead to win (No turnovers)

In reference to Jason, if Burnell can't do it let's give him some experince, with the line blocking the way that they are and portis running good so far. He could be successful because those are key parts to the offense. I think that is why Gibbs was frustrated because all positions where clicking except the qb.

Point blank GIBBS WANTS TO WIN.

[dirthogs]

Those are all players that will help us win now. To think that Joe drafted a QB so that GW will have a QB 4 years from now is ludicrous. It is even more obvious with the quick hook that Joe put on Patrick that JC's future will be sooner as opposed to later.

No one in the country has written that Joe drafted JC for GW.Gibbs had the hook out quick because he wants MB to be the man so bad he can taste it. No one in the country has writen anything about it, due to the fact that most reporters aren't quick enough to think outside the obvious situation. Again I can see JC playing a year or two under Gibbs, but if Gibbs has his way MB would be his QB for 5 years then ride off into the sunset together. Agreed ST and Carlos are great young players that help now but Winslow and Williams were predicted to be great offensive players that could help now.

[cnhnyy]

Why did he draft ST instead of Winslow. How come Carlos insted of Mike Williams. Gibbs is tring to structure the Redskins to win now yes, but he's also tring to insure the long term success of the team, and that includes keeping Greg Williams happy. Unlike other coaches Gibbs knows he's not going to be here, as a HC for a decade, so I do believe he's keeping Williams happy and Williams will replace Gibbs as HC. It is a likly scenerio that JC does play a year or two under Gibbs, but I think it's worst case scenerio type situation.

GW could leave tomorow if there is a HC position opening right now. It is not like we are a yearly playoff team and it is worth for him to wait around.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Gibbs had the hook out quick because he wants MB to be the man so bad he can taste it. No one in the country has writen anything about it, due to the fact that most reporters aren't quick enough to think outside the obvious situation. Again I can see JC playing a year or two under Gibbs, but if Gibbs has his way MB would be his QB for 5 years then ride off into the sunset together. Agreed ST and Carlos are great young players that help now but Winslow and Williams were predicted to be great offensive players that could help now.

Jason Campbell won't be here in 5 years if Brunell plays that long. He would go FA and leave. You don't draft a QB in the first round, giving up 3 picks to do so, to draft a QB for your successor, potential or otherwise.

And drafting Campbell shows that even Joe knows that Brunell doesn't have another 5 years in him. And even if he does, his contract will come to the point where he will have to be released.

[dirthogs]

I completly understand were you guys are coming from. I agree that JC COULD play under Gibbs. Do you guys know for sure that Gibbs didn't talk to GW about drafting a QB, I don't know either way, do you think Gibbs would tell the press he did, I doubt it. No one knows what happens behind Gibbs office door except team officals. GW could very well leave at the end of the year, but I'll take him at his word which was he and his family love it in Washington and that he loves coaching under Gibbs. He said to the press this off season that he had no plans to leave Washington. Think about it why would you want to leave Washington, I know I'm not in the minority in thinking Washington is one of the best places to be the HC of a football team. Also if MB left at the end of last season we'd be in salary cap hell. If MB plays 5 of the 7 years on his contract the hit would be managable to the cap, i.e. Bruce Smith playing 3 of his 5 years.

[Sweepea436]

Gotta be the shoes....

[skinsdude]

Gotta be the shoes....

Sweepea, we can always count on you for your in depth reporting. LOL

[RoanokeSkin]

I dont believe people are calling for Campbell because they think he is "it", its just that he is the only one that has not had a shot yet.

But will all due respect, I think he is currently the best quarterback on the team.

[Sweepea436]

Sweepea, we can always count on you for your in depth reporting. LOL

I'll be the first to tell you I have very little "intelligent" insight. It would take me a week to find the stats you guys have up here in minutes, if I could find them at all.........but one thing I CAN do, is blurt out the first thing that pops in to my head..... I'm good for that...... :Peace:

[danny's stogie]

I don't think anyone is convinced that Campbell is "it". If we all did then the HR in depth QB poll would look a lot different. That being said, drafting a QB in the early rounds gives a fan base hope that their team has unearthed the next Montana, Favre, etc. We all took the bait with Ramsey (especially after the Seahawks game), but now I think a lot of us are jaded and take a wait and see attitude.

The fact is however, that success in the NFL is disproportionately tied to the QB position and getting the QB that makes you a winner is pure luck. Almost all great QBs are obtained via the draft (there's no way in hell the Colts are letting Manning leave or the Pats letting Brady go anywhere else) and the draft is a pure crap-shoot, for every McNabb there are a dozen Tim Couches, Ryan Leafs, Akili Smiths, and Joey Harringtons. So in essence the success of the Eagles, Pats, Colts, and Falcons is nothing more than pure luck. So in my mind Campbell is nothing more than a lottery ticket, not the powerball, the odds are so bad why even bother playing, but more like the state lottery.

[skinsdude]

I'll be the first to tell you I have very little "intelligent" insight. It would take me a week to find the stats you guys have up here in minutes, if I could find them at all.........but one thing I CAN do, is blurt out the first thing that pops in to my head..... I'm good for that...... :Peace:

Hey, keep it up, it's good to here from you.

[Dolla Bill]

I'm not on the JC bandwagon yet. I thought a QB was a bad pick at that spot in the last years draft and that there were too many other positions we needed to address. And as the QB of the future I have some deep concerns. Yes the kid might have all the phyical tool but his last year in college he was surround by awesome players which made him look that much better. Geezz, TWO of the most productive RBs in the nation sitting in his backfield. ...... I hope for the Skins sake he works out and will be pulling for him BUT I just don't know and have some major concerns about him making as a starting (productive) NFL QB.


As a side note Patrick, he will have one of the most productive backs in the NFL to make him look good here.

[whistleandthumb]

I'm convinced that Campbell has "it" just from Gibbs scouting him and wanting him on the team. However, I'm never convinced that successful college QB's can make it in the NFL until they do, because so many just suck at the pro level. I'm excited about having JC as franchise QB, but cautiously so.

[jsagan77]

I don't know why we didn't wait and try to draft Leinert or Vince Young.. I hope i wrong about this but from what i've seen JC isn't worth the Charmin Extra he wipes his butt with.

[Sweepea436]

I don't know why we didn't wait and try to draft Leinert or Vince Young.. I hope i wrong about this but from what i've seen JC isn't worth the Charmin Extra he wipes his butt with.


Ooooo Lemon scented?

Oh wait....that's a bad thing right? I say why not if he can afford it........wait, what were we talking about again?

For crying out loud, the rookie hasn't gotten ANY starts yet and we're ready to send him packing............ tough crowd

[akhhorus]

I don't know why we didn't wait and try to draft Leinert or Vince Young.. I hope i wrong about this but from what i've seen JC isn't worth the Charmin Extra he wipes his butt with.

If the skins were in a position to draft either of them in 2005, there would have been much bigger problems than just the QB position. That would have meant that the defense and running game would have completely failed.

[skinfan43]

This thread is makes no sense at all at this point in time, nobody is ready to proclaim Campbell ANYTHING yet, either a bust or a Hall Of Famer. He hasn't shown anything yet, because he hasn't practiced first-team yet, and hasn't played on the field of play, preseason or regular, more than a couple of drives yet!!! I feel pretty dumb for even typing right now, there's just NOTHING to comment on yet, except to say, WTF PEOPLE??????!!!!!!!
(Maybe some Skins fans just mentally lose it a bit when the first Dallass game approaches, i guess :rolleyes: )

[Patrick]

As a side note Patrick, he will have one of the most productive backs in the NFL to make him look good here.

I take it you are referring to Portis and you're probably right IF the conditions work out that way.
A) Campbell progress fast enough that he'll see action in the next year or so.
B) Portis stays healthy
C) Portis STAYS
D) We retain quality WRs
E) We retain a quality O-line.

[redskn65]

No one knows whether Campbell is it or not however IMO out of what we have he is the most gifted QB we have. Does that mean I want to see him start right now...hell no...only because I just feel he will grow faster by watching and learning from the sidelines at least for this first year. And for all you fans shouting about Greg Williams becoming our next coach..plz stop it...the man is one hell of a defensive coordinator and motivator but I don`t recall his team in Buffalo being all that good when he was head coach. I`m not saying he doesn`t or won`t get another shot at becoming head coach either here or somewhere else I just don`t think we can automatically assume he will be a great HEAD coach.

[ihatedallas]

This is about the 8th quarterback thread ive seen since monday...

[CowboyKilla]

Redskin goggles, I hope he is though.

[redskin_rich]

Well lets see,

Pro's
-Great size
-Athletic ability
-Strong arm
-Good decision making*

*Apparently from what I have seen in camp and preseason but not proven.

Cons
-Lack of experience

Yep, I believe Jason Campbell can be "it."

[IowaSkinsFan]

Well lets see,

Pro's
-Great size
-Athletic ability
-Strong arm
-Good decision making*

*Apparently from what I have seen in camp and preseason but not proven.

Cons
-Lack of experience

Yep, I believe Jason Campbell can be "it."

I only saw him play against the Ravens, so my exposure to him was much more limited compared to what you saw. But in my time viewing him, I saw a guy who was not ready to take the field this year. JMO.

[redskin_rich]

I only saw him play against the Ravens, so my exposure to him was much more limited compared to what you saw. But in my time viewing him, I saw a guy who was not ready to take the field this year. JMO.
Oh I agree, I didn't mean this year, I meant for the future. He needs to get a season or 2 under his belt.

[IowaSkinsFan]

This is about the 8th quarterback thread ive seen since monday...

Well, there has been some new developments to talk about this week......

[colkurtz]

Big, young, mobile and a good passer.

EVERY draft pick is a crap shoot. Jason is no exception. I just hope he doesn't get put in too soon.

[skins74]

He is gonna be the next Jason Campbell.

[inevitable]

Big, young, mobile and a good passer.

EVERY draft pick is a crap shoot. Jason is no exception. I just hope he doesn't get put in too soon.

Every single draft pick. First play someone who's touted as the best player in 100 years could break his neck (obviously I don't hope this happens, just its possible) or, in more realistic terms - break his leg, then tear his ACL (hi KW II)

There are people you are so sure that are going to succeed but just do not. There are people that you never expect to succeed that turn out revolutionizing the game and the meaning of success (Tom Brady).

Jason Campbell has the physical and mental attributes that deem him someone who could have great success in the NFL. Whether he will ever reach his potential, we'll have to see. Some QB's don't get there for four or more years (Cough- PR - Cough), some get right into it (Roethlisberger) We just have to wait and see.