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BigCountry

09-19-2005, 07:03 PM

At first I didn't really give this any thought but now that I started watching this game it's nothing short of sickenning, appauling, disgusting, you name it. The NFL should be utturly ashamed of themselves for doing this and owe an appology to the Saints and the people of New Orleans. Instead of being money grubbing pigs they should have put the game in batton rougue and maybe provided busses for SAINTS FANS to come see the game. These people's lives were destroyed and the NFL takes away something that could have been really good for them. This is truely one of the most dispisable things I've ever seen and tonight I'm a Saints fan just as much as I'm a Redskins fan.

Vonslydog

09-19-2005, 07:07 PM

Let's discuss the game here. I for one am not happy sitting here watching this game knowing it's supposed to be a Saints home game but seeing all that Blue. The NFL screwed the pooch on this one.
This "home" game in NY has to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. It's unfair for the Saints, as well as every team in the NFC who only gets 8 home games compared to NY's 9.

Skin-E-Dip

09-19-2005, 07:08 PM

Eli looked better in that drive than anydrive Ive seen from Ramsey

chrisbcbu

09-19-2005, 07:14 PM

HAHAHAHA Aaron Brooks barely got touched and stumbled to the ground and that got called for roughing the passer. That made the ramsey hit look even worse now.

Santheb

09-19-2005, 07:33 PM

This is absolutely nothing like a home game. Thats horrible.

chrisbcbu

09-19-2005, 07:50 PM

This is absolutely nothing like a home game. Thats horrible.

Well they did paint one endzone with "Saints". But i guess that is all they did for the Saints.

Joe-T

09-19-2005, 08:44 PM

Folks ,you need to stop crying .There was no place else to put on the Telethon .All the Hotels had evacuees .What you need to watch is that the Gints are a team we need to take for real .

whitskins

09-20-2005, 12:36 AM

Folks ,you need to stop crying .There was no place else to put on the Telethon .All the Hotels had evacuees .What you need to watch is that the Gints are a team we need to take for real .

Don't worry, we'll see you and your team soon enough.

RedskinsDave

09-20-2005, 11:47 AM

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 05:25 PM

Don't worry, we'll see you and your team soon enough.\

No you won't ,your mom won't let you stay up that late .

RedskinsDave

09-20-2005, 05:57 PM

Folks ,you need to stop crying .There was no place else to put on the Telethon .All the Hotels had evacuees .

All the hotels in every other city in the whole country?!! Wow, I'll have to check my hospitality stocks. They must be booming!!! :rolleyes:

whitskins

09-20-2005, 05:59 PM

All the hotels in every other city in the whole country?!! Wow, I'll have to check my hospitality stocks. They must be booming!!! :rolleyes:

I wouldn't put any thought into it. Joe-T has been known to constantly make up stories that either support the Giants or trash the Skins. Even Councilman lived in less fantasy.

BurgundyNGold

09-20-2005, 06:00 PM

Nice to see the GiAints won their extra home game. That was very nice of the NFL to hand them that one. You have a team that has moved because their city is ruined and they have to travel to a hostile stadium to play a game. This one could have been played in many many places and instead they chose the absolute least fair place for the Saints. Hell, we could have hosted it here Sunday and there at least would have been plenty of people cheering the Saints.
Why not Canton? I think that'a great neutral site. Of perhaps in Aloha Stadium. Don't the Saints and theor family deserve a little break on the NFL's dime? The Gints would have to pay their own way of course, since it would be a Saints home game. ;)

RedskinsDave

09-20-2005, 06:09 PM

I honestly think they could have had it here. If they played on Sunday there would have been plenty of fans and plenty who would gladly have cheered for the Saints.

whitskins

09-20-2005, 06:17 PM

I honestly think they could have had it here. If they played on Sunday there would have been plenty of fans and plenty who would gladly have cheered for the Saints.

They could have had it at any vacant stadium in the country, they simply picked the only one that gave a distinct disadvantage to the "home" team. The fact that the telethon took place in New York has nothing to do with why the game was played at Giants Stadium, it was all about selling as many tickets as possible for the NFL and it was a joke.

danny's stogie

09-20-2005, 06:42 PM

Solution: move the Oct 2 Giants home game against St Louis to St Louis and move the Saints' Oct 23 away game at St Louis to San Antonio or Baton Rouge. That eliminates a Giants home game, gives the Saints another home game, and the Rams still play the same amount of games at home and away.

BurgundyNGold

09-20-2005, 06:46 PM

They could have had it at any vacant stadium in the country, they simply picked the only one that gave a distinct disadvantage to the "home" team. The fact that the telethon took place in New York has nothing to do with why the game was played at Giants Stadium, it was all about selling as many tickets as possible for the NFL and it was a joke.
Yeah, but Dave is right. You'd be hard pressed to find more die hard football fans with disposable income who just so happened to HATE the Gints to the point of being willing to root for the Saints. Plus, the Redskins played Monday night, and we know that more than a few Saints jerseys would've been sold to the folks who went to the game.

But, then again, the NFL wouldn't have had the chace to raise money via a telephon in front of a national audience if the game was on a Sunday.

BurgundyNGold

09-20-2005, 06:47 PM

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 06:49 PM

Some of you homers need to read the USA Today ,then you might understand .(most of you can't )

BurgundyNGold

09-20-2005, 06:50 PM

Some of you homers need to read the USA Today ,then you might understan .(most of you can't )
And you're NOT being a homer by running the the defense of your Gints? Please.

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 06:57 PM

I wouldn't put any thought into it. Joe-T has been known to constantly make up stories that either support the Giants or trash the Skins.

OK Rocky put up or shut up ! Where did I trash the Skins ,where ???? Show the thread ,while you homers are only worried about the Cowpukes I said watchout for the Giants and becuase of that I'm not a Skins fan ,well if your a Skins fan it's no wonder the rest of the league laughs at us .

RedskinsDave

09-20-2005, 07:10 PM

OK Rocky put up or shut up ! Where did I trash the Skins ,where ???? Show the thread ,while you homers are only worried about the Cowpukes I said watchout for the Giants and becuase of that I'm not a Skins fan ,well if your a Skins fan it's no wonder the rest of the league laughs at us .

What's up your rump guy? You think it was fair that the Giants got an extra home game? Please explain how that is. This ought to be fun to read.

akhhorus

09-20-2005, 07:12 PM

Some of you homers need to read the USA Today ,then you might understand .(most of you can't )

I posted the link, and I also heard the cheers for the Giants vastly outnumbering the cheers for the Saints.

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 07:22 PM

What's up your rump guy? You think it was fair that the Giants got an extra home game? Please explain how that is. This ought to be fun to read.
My point before was no one B#@%$ like this if they were playing the Jets ?Now tell me that's different ?The Giants didn't do it the league did ,and every game they play this year will be away ,everyone .I feel for this team and the people who live in New Orleans but Hasslet stunk before and he stinks now as a coach .So you think it's better to go to FED EX or Eagle land and have them boo everybody ,you think Fed-Ex would sellout to watch the Giants and Saints ?????? It's plan ignorant to assume such crap .

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 07:24 PM

RedskinsDave

09-20-2005, 07:28 PM

My point before was no one B#@%$ like this if they were playing the Jets ?Now tell me that's different ?The Giants didn't do it the league did ,and every game they play this year will be away ,everyone .I feel for this team and the people who live in New Orleans but Hasslet stunk before and he stinks now as a coach .So you think it's better to go to FED EX or Eagle land and have them boo everybody ,you think Fed-Ex would sellout to watch the Giants and Saints ?????? It's plan ignorant to assume such crap .

You still have failed to explain how it was fair for ANYONE that the Giants got an extra home game. I read the article I assume you're talking about in the Mcpaper and Ian O'Connor misses the point too. It was unfair and flat out moronic. I won't hold my breath for you to counter with any good reason it wasn't.

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 07:40 PM

You still have failed to explain how it was fair for ANYONE that the Giants got an extra home game. I read the article I assume you're talking about in the Mcpaper and Ian O'Connor misses the point too. It was unfair and flat out moronic. I won't hold my breath for you to counter with any good reason it wasn't.

Well you're the one who misses the point ,he said it better than I can .Post it or are you afraid of the truth ?

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 07:41 PM

BurgundyNGold

09-20-2005, 07:44 PM

I didn't fail you just choose to ignore . :weak:
"Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you write your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. You are the weakest link goodbye. You know, I've, I've never heard anyone make that joke before. Hmm. You're the first. I've never heard anyone reference, reference that outside the program before. Because that's what she says on the show right? Isn't it? You are the weakest link goodbye. And, and yet you've taken that and used it out of context to insult me in this everyday situation. God what a clever, smart girl you must be, to come up with a joke like that all by yourself. That's so fresh too. Any, any Titanic jokes you want to throw at me too as long as we're hitting these phenomena at the height of their popularity. God you're so funny!"

http://www.familyguyquotes.com/images/stewie.gif

RedskinsDave

09-20-2005, 07:49 PM

Well you're the one who misses the point ,he said it better than I can .Post it or are you afraid of the truth ?

Nope he said nothing and you have said even less. You think it's so brilliant, you post it. I think it's crap.

hail2skins

09-20-2005, 07:53 PM

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No you won't ,your mom won't let you stay up that late .You need to chill out and not bring members families into this. You also need to keep threads on topic and not get personal with people. YOu keep this up and you're out of here.

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 07:54 PM

Nope he said nothing and you have said even less. You think it's so brilliant, you post it. I think it's crap.

Of course you would it shoots you down . :weak:

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 07:55 PM

You need to chill out and not bring members families into this. You also need to keep threads on topic and not get personal with people. YOu keep this up and you're out of here.
No problem , so does he .

hail2skins

09-20-2005, 07:57 PM

No problem , so does he .You started it and in more than one thread. Watch it.

whitskins

09-20-2005, 07:59 PM

No problem , so does he .

Nobody brought up personal attacks against you, get off the cross. It's your pointless posts that are generating the heat you're feeling, you're not the first guy to post a bunch of nonsense and then run around in circles, your kind is easy to spot.

RedskinsDave

09-20-2005, 07:59 PM

Of course you would it shoots you down . :weak:

I see that you are mentally challenged as you cannot present any argument whatsoever to support your opinion. I assume you are also technologically challenged as you don't know how to cut and paste that rag piece.

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 08:00 PM

You started it and in more than one thread. Watch it.

Lets take it to PM's

whitskins

09-20-2005, 08:02 PM

How do you know ? Tell us why ?

How do I know that they could have had the game at any other vacant stadium in the country? Because Giants stadium was vacant yesterday just like any other neutral site. What in the world forced the NFL to schedule the game in NY over any other city? You posted some babble about all the hotel rooms being full with refugees? Are you kidding?

And the telethon in no way required the game to be played in NY. It was a nice PR touch, but it was woefully unfair to the Saints. You can have a game in San Antonio and a telethon in NY at the same time, you realize that right?

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 08:06 PM

How do I know that they could have had the game at any other vacant stadium in the country? Because Giants stadium was vacant yesterday just like any other neutral site. What in the world forced the NFL to schedule the game in NY over any other city? You posted some babble about all the hotel rooms being full with refugees? Are you kidding?

And the telethon in no way required the game to be played in NY. It was a nice PR touch, but it was woefully unfair to the Saints. You can have a game in San Antonio and a telethon in NY at the same time, you realize that right?

lol evacuees ,are you mad becuase it was unfair to the saints or the Skins ?

hail2skins

09-20-2005, 08:07 PM

Lets take it to PM'sfeel free to PM me.

whitskins

09-20-2005, 08:07 PM

lol evacuees ,are you mad becuase it was unfair to the saints or the Skins ?

Both actually. What's your point?

redskin_rich

09-20-2005, 08:08 PM

Jim Haslett and the Saints sure aren't happy about it. They don't blame the loss on playing at Giants Stadium but they make a good point about having a competitive disadvantage.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-saints-angryhaslett&prov=ap&type=lgns
``It wasn't a home game,'' he said. ``I look up at the scoreboard and there are signs, 'Let's Go Giants'. The referees, when they flipped the coin, they asked us if we wanted heads or tails. They had no idea who the home team was and who was away. The crowd noise we had to deal with, we never had to do a silent count at home.''

BurgundyNGold

09-20-2005, 08:09 PM

lol evacuees ,are you mad becuase it was unfair to the saints or the Skins ?
Both. That's the point. I'm late to the thread and even I can figure out that the consensus is that everyboy hates what the NFL did -- save Gints fans and you. Why you may ask? Because everybody got screwed on the deal to one degree or another except for your precious Gints. That sucks -- especially for the Saints.

BurgundyNGold

09-20-2005, 08:11 PM

Jim Haslett and the Saints sure aren't happy about it. They don't blame the loss on playing at Giants Stadium but they make a good point about having a competitive disadvantage.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-saints-angryhaslett&prov=ap&type=lgns
I heard that Haslett was on the sidelines before the game and was told that they had painted "Saints" in the end zones. Haslett chuckled and said that they should've saved the paint, lol.

hail2skins

09-20-2005, 08:13 PM

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 08:15 PM

Both actually. What's your point?

You proved my point .

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 08:18 PM

I wouldn't put any thought into it. Joe-T has been known to constantly make up stories that either support the Giants or trash the Skins. Even Councilman lived in less fantasy.

Still waiting .

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 08:20 PM

I saw that interview with Haslett and he didn't look to happy.

If you had Haslett's record you would'nt be happy either.

Joe-T

09-20-2005, 08:22 PM

Both actually. What's your point?

OK ,reverse it .The Skins are playing the Saints and there's no time to change do the Skins play in New York or Fed Ex ?

whitskins

09-20-2005, 08:22 PM

You proved my point .

Joe, you have no point. You never have. First it's not the Giants fault that the game was at their stadium (nobody ever said it was). Then the game was not an unfair advantage for the Saints. Then Redskins fans never would have sold out the game if we were playing the Saints. Then Giants fans all had to attend weddings and bar mitzvahs to prevent them from attending. Then some guy on USA Today says that it wasn't the Giants fault (wow, still nobody said it was). Now saying that it's unfair to the Saints and Redskins proves your point.

Give me a break, you don't even know what your own point is.

BurgundyNGold

09-20-2005, 08:23 PM

OK ,reverse it .The Skins are playing the Saints and there's no time to change do the Skins play in New York or Fed Ex ?
New York. It's a neutral site. That's the entire point, Joe.

hail2skins

09-20-2005, 08:25 PM

OK ,reverse it .The Skins are playing the Saints and there's no time to change do the Skins play in New York or Fed Ex ?There was plenty of time to change. The NFL was in discussion about this right after the flooding happened. They had options that were listed in all the reports that were coming out. San Antonio, Baton Rouge and others. You can't tell me you don't remember that.

whitskins

09-20-2005, 08:26 PM

OK ,reverse it .The Skins are playing the Saints and there's no time to change do the Skins play in New York or Fed Ex ?

The Skins and Saints could play at any neutral site in the NFL. It would be unfair no matter who the Saints are playing.

How was there not enough time to change it? The game wasn't scheduled for Giants Stadium in the first place, what makes putting the game there different from putting at any other stadium in the NFL??

It's so funny how you bash members of this board for being homers and you're so obviously the biggest Giants homer alive. I bet the only reason you wanted Ramsey to stay in as starter is so he could throw three more INTs to you guys in the next game!

Joe-T

09-21-2005, 04:31 PM

There was plenty of time to change. The NFL was in discussion about this right after the flooding happened. They had options that were listed in all the reports that were coming out. San Antonio, Baton Rouge and others. You can't tell me you don't remember that.

yes I do ...I also remember that ,

1) San Antonio was avaiable but the NFL said that at that time were not equipped to handle an NFL game ,concesions ,tickets media (not at that time ,not that they could'nt )
2)Baton Rouge ,Satadium yes ...hotel space no ,2 NFL teams and refs and everything else that went with it .

3) same with the other sites .(all filled with evacuees and didn't know if they could find rooms in time )

4) What I don't understand is why it's a big deal ,Skins ,Eagel ,and Cowboy fans must remmember that this was a "natural desaster" and that the Giants had not part in it and that the league did the best they could in a very short time

Joe-T

09-21-2005, 04:35 PM

The Skins and Saints could play at any neutral site in the NFL. It would be unfair no matter who the Saints are playing.

And that is my point ,and no matter who they would have play would have had an advantage ...so what's the problem ?

hail2skins

09-21-2005, 04:38 PM

yes I do ...I also remember that ,

1) San Antonio was avaiable but the NFL said that at that time were not equipped to handle an NFL game ,concesions ,tickets media (not at that time ,not that they could'nt )
2)Baton Rouge ,Satadium yes ...hotel space no ,2 NFL teams and refs and everything else that went with it .

3) same with the other sites .(all filled with evacuees and didn't know if they could find rooms in time )

4) What I don't understand is why it's a big deal ,Skins ,Eagel ,and Cowboy fans must remmember that this was a "natural desaster" and that the Giants had not part in it and that the league did the best they could in a very short timeBIG PICTURE, the NFL should have done a better job in making sure it was a home game environment for the NEW ORLEANS SAINTS.

all of those justifications are BS. If the NFL wanted to use one of those locations, they could have. The media has to move around anyway so there's no issue there. If madden can get across the country within a week, so can the NFL.

You are beginning to sound like a Giants fan though.

Joe-T

09-21-2005, 04:50 PM

You are beginning to sound like a Giants fan though.

nope just an informed Skins fan that thinks that the Giants can do us more harm than the Cowboys .Look back Gibbs had more trouble with the Giants than the Cowboys (yes I know it was Parcells )

hail2skins

09-21-2005, 04:53 PM

nope just an informed Skins fan that thinks that the Giants can do us more harm than the Cowboys .Look back Gibbs had more trouble with the Giants than the Cowboys (yes I know it was Parcells )interesting since ALL the analyst think the most of the Cowpukes. Also, I don't understand this. If you think the Gints will cause us the most trouble, why are you supporting the NFL giving them an extra home game when you know that game could have been played at a more neutral site?

Joe-T

09-21-2005, 05:17 PM

interesting since ALL the analyst think the most of the Cowpukes. Also, I don't understand this. If you think the Gints will cause us the most trouble, why are you supporting the NFL giving them an extra home game when you know that game could have been played at a more neutral site?\

It's not that I'm supporting them I just don't see the big deal this was not ours or theirs or the NFL's fualt it just happen .When things happen and their not anyones's fualt there accidents thats all .Lifes not fair I would accept the argument better if people were saying with the flood and all the devastation that's what is unfaire to this team .Do you really think that if the Giants had played the game here (Fed Ex) it would have matter ?

akhhorus

09-21-2005, 06:35 PM

BIG PICTURE, the NFL should have done a better job in making sure it was a home game environment for the NEW ORLEANS SAINTS.

all of those justifications are BS. If the NFL wanted to use one of those locations, they could have. The media has to move around anyway so there's no issue there. If madden can get across the country within a week, so can the NFL.

You are beginning to sound like a Giants fan though.

And if they wanted to put it in a stadium that was "NFL" ready, there are 31 other stadiums that could have been used. The simple fact is that the Giants got an extra home game, and there is no way anyone can say otherwise. The crowd monday night was really pro-Giants, despite the Saints fans getting extra time to buy tickets(which is the stupidest justification I've ever heard).

whitskins

09-21-2005, 06:46 PM

And that is my point ,and no matter who they would have play would have had an advantage ...so what's the problem ?

Are you really this dense? The problem is that the only stadium in which the Saints would have been the AWAY team for a HOME game was at Giants stadium. And stop trying to say that the NFL could not have had the game at any one of the other THIRTY stadiums that are already NFL ready, half of which didn't even have a game that weekend. Hotels were not fully booked in every single city besides New York for God's sake.

It would have been less fair to the Saints in any other stadium but BY FAR the LEAST FAIR place was to play the game on the HOME FIELD of their opponent. Good Lord take off the blinders.

If the Saints played their game at Fed Ex last weekend then they are not doing a freaking silent count on every play! In fact, I'd even bet that the crowd in any other stadium would be remarkably PRO SAINTS. The only reason the NFL hosted the game in New York was to get as high a turnout as possible. Bottom line.

Nobody pointed the finger at your beloved Giants so I really don't understand how you're continuing to cling to the ridiculous assertion that last Monday's game was a perfectly fair environment for the Saints to play a "home" game. That simply makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

hail2skins

09-21-2005, 09:41 PM

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It's not that I'm supporting them I just don't see the big deal this was not ours or theirs or the NFL's fualt it just happen .When things happen and their not anyones's fualt there accidents thats all .Lifes not fair I would accept the argument better if people were saying with the flood and all the devastation that's what is unfaire to this team .Do you really think that if the Giants had played the game here (Fed Ex) it would have matter ?Nobody is blaming the hurricane on the nfl or anyone else as you're indicating. We're saying it's the NFL's fault that the Saints had to play a home game against a team on their home turf. I'm sure Snyder would have let them use Fedex and probably would have let them paint both endzones for the Saints. Heck, he might even have sent RedskinsOne to New Orleans several times to pick up fans. The NFL had other options that were better.

redskin_rich

09-21-2005, 09:50 PM

It is unbelievable that anyone would argue this was fair, unless they were the biggest NY homer there is. I think the Giants would have won this game, even if they played it on the Moon but to put what is supposed to be one team's home game in the stadium of the opponent is completely, unarguably unfair, end of story.

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 06:21 AM

Nobody is blaming the hurricane on the nfl or anyone else as you're indicating. We're saying it's the NFL's fault that the Saints had to play a home game against a team on their home turf. I'm sure Snyder would have let them use Fedex and probably would have let them paint both endzones for the Saints. Heck, he might even have sent RedskinsOne to New Orleans several times to pick up fans. The NFL had other options that were better.
1) This was approved by the owners .

2) There was nothing stopping him from sending the plane anyway,so why didn't he ?

3) I didn't start the thread ,there were 13 replies before I even got into it .

4) FOR the Last time ,I grew up in NY my family is still there I talk to them and always get the Giants this or that ,I've lived here for 23years maybe I hate them as much as you hate Dallas .

5)I played football at a high level and to that point I look at the game as a whole ,we won yup but for 55min we lost and that worries me becuase it was against 2 team that aren't very good .

BurgundyNGold

09-22-2005, 06:48 AM

And if they wanted to put it in a stadium that was "NFL" ready, there are 31 other stadiums that could have been used. The simple fact is that the Giants got an extra home game, and there is no way anyone can say otherwise. The crowd monday night was really pro-Giants, despite the Saints fans getting extra time to buy tickets(which is the stupidest justification I've ever heard).
Well, technically 15 other stadiums could've been used as 15 were already hosting other NFL games, the Meadowlands was the Gints home stadium and the Superdome was not an option, but your point is well taken. Personally, I would've thrown in Canton and Aloha Stadium as options. Maybe, we could've turned the negative into a positive and even had an NFL game up in Canada before it got too cold. Any of these are viable options. Having it in New York was little more than a dog and pony sideshow debacle.

Another thing that Joe T has to stop doing is saying "It was a natural disaster" and "It wasn't the Gints fault." Nobody is blaming the Gints for the hurricane; that would be ludicrous. However, people ARE blaming the NFL for giving the Gints an extra home game. It wasn't fair to the Saints to have to go into hostile territory under the guise of a "home game". It wasn't fair for the rest of the league -- especially the NFC East -- that the Gints be granted a 9th home game. The only folks who benefitted from this are the Gints and possibly the Saints opponent teams in the NFC South. I don't see how Joe T can pragmatically see what the NFL did as fair, especially considering they had SO many other options.

chrisbcbu

09-22-2005, 06:52 AM

You know its sad when Fatsquerilli actually says the NFL messed up with this game. Even he gets the fact that this situation could have been handled way better by the NFL.

Did you not hear the Saints complaining about the game being in NY?

BurgundyNGold

09-22-2005, 06:55 AM

Nobody is blaming the hurricane on the nfl or anyone else as you're indicating. We're saying it's the NFL's fault that the Saints had to play a home game against a team on their home turf. I'm sure Snyder would have let them use Fedex and probably would have let them paint both endzones for the Saints. Heck, he might even have sent RedskinsOne to New Orleans several times to pick up fans. The NFL had other options that were better.
I wouldn't be so quick to absolve the Gints for the hurricane. There is an awful lot of hot air that get blown out of NY. :D

Seriously though, if I were the ownership of the Gints, there is no way that I would morally be able to accept an additional home game against a team whose city has become the flood equivalent of Pompeii. No way. Frankly, I am very disappointed in the Gints ownership and am rather surprised to not hear anybody chastise them for accepting the 9th home game.

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 06:59 AM

I wouldn't be so quick to absolve the Gints for the hurricane. There is an awful lot of hot air that get blown out of NY. :D

Ya know on this I will agree with you .

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 07:06 AM

Well, technically 15 other stadiums could've been used as 15 were already hosting other NFL games, the Meadowlands was the Gints home stadium and the Superdome was not an option, but your point is well taken. Personally, I would've thrown in Canton and Aloha Stadium as options. Maybe, we could've turned the negative into a positive and even had an NFL game up in Canada before it got too cold. Any of these are viable options. Having it in New York was little more than a dog and pony sideshow debacle.

Another thing that Joe T has to stop doing is saying "It was a natural disaster" and "It wasn't the Gints fault." Nobody is blaming the Gints for the hurricane; that would be ludicrous. However, people ARE blaming the NFL for giving the Gints an extra home game. It wasn't fair to the Saints to have to go into hostile territory under the guise of a "home game". It wasn't fair for the rest of the league -- especially the NFC East -- that the Gints be granted a 9th home game. The only folks who benefitted from this are the Gints and possibly the Saints opponent teams in the NFC South. I don't see how Joe T can pragmatically see what the NFL did as fair, especially considering they had SO many other options.

I'm not saying it was fair ,I'm saying no matter what or where it was played it would'nt have been fair to the Saints and the Saints wouldn't have been happy.As I pointed out before if it was the Skins or Eagels or Dallas it would'nt have been fair .

BurgundyNGold

09-22-2005, 07:16 AM

I'm not saying it was fair ,I'm saying no matter what or where it was played it would'nt have been fair to the Saints and the Saints wouldn't have been happy.As I pointed out before if it was the Skins or Eagels or Dallas it would'nt have been fair .
I can agree on this. However, I think there is a big difference between playing at a neutral site and being unfair to one team ...

1) Saints (9th away game added)

... and playing in NY and dispensing uneven amounts of fairness to the whole NFC ...

1) Saints (as before, only now you add in the hostile "home" crowd)
2) Gints (9th home game added)
3) NFC East (division rival gets a 9th home game)
4) NFC South (division rival gets 9th road game)
5) NFC (9th home game for Gints give them unfair advantage in playoff hunt)

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 01:54 PM

BnG ,I understand what you're getting at but let me ask you this ,would this matter right now if the Giants had lost ?

BurgundyNGold

09-22-2005, 01:57 PM

BnG ,I understand what you're getting at but let me ask you this ,would this matter right now if the Giants had lost ?
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Right is right, wrong is wrong and fair is fair. The outcome matters not.

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 02:05 PM

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Right is right, wrong is wrong and fair is fair. The outcome matters not.
Like I said before ,the league made a desision they though was right for everyone maybe if they had more time to decide on things it would have been different,reminds me of the Brett Farve commercial were he's walking along the street and second guessing eveything eveyone is doing after the've done it .

whitskins

09-22-2005, 02:12 PM

BurgundyNGold

09-22-2005, 02:15 PM

Like I said before ,the league made a desision they though was right for everyone maybe if they had more time to decide on things it would have been different,reminds me of the Brett Farve commercial were he's walking along the street and second guessing eveything eveyone is doing after the've done it .
You should know right from wrong and fair from unfair almost instinctively. I didn't need more than a couple of seconds to realize that the league's decision was a bad idea and a couple of more seconds to be able to ascertain out why. I clearly stated how and why is was unfair and to whom. It was wrong, you know it and you're just being a hard head. Otherwise, you really must be a closet Gints fan or Saints hater. I can't think of any other explanation for your obstinance.

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 02:21 PM

You should know right from wrong and fair from unfair almost instinctively. I didn't need more than a couple of seconds to realize that the league's decision was a bad idea and a couple of more seconds to be able to ascertain out why. I clearly stated how and why is was unfair and to whom. It was wrong, you know it and you're just being a hard head. Otherwise, you really must be a closet Gints fan or Saints hater. I can't think of any other explanation for your obstinance.

Well like the rest of us that don't walk on water ,we sometimes make mistakes .The NFL is run by people who aren't perfect .

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 02:22 PM

Yeah, so does Gibbs' decision to bench Ramsey, I seem to remember a lot of people bashing that even before they had a chance to second guess it. :rolleyes:

Again I have no idea what you talking about .I know some like it and some didn't .

akhhorus

09-22-2005, 02:25 PM

Well like the rest of us that don't walk on water ,we sometimes make mistakes .The NFL is run by people who aren't perfect .

And? As soon as this was announced, ESPN pundits were calling it unfair. It is unfair and takes little brainpower to realize that it was unfair. Yes, technically it was a home game for the Saints, but only a Giants homer or someone who is functionally retarded would think that the Saints would have any real home field advantage. Why you keep fighting for this is beyond comprehension.

RedskinsDave

09-22-2005, 02:25 PM

Well like the rest of us that don't walk on water ,we sometimes make mistakes .The NFL is run by people who aren't perfect .

Wheeee, everyone jump on the spin machine!! At least you're admitting they made a mistake now and not trying to say it was the best possible option anymore.

BurgundyNGold

09-22-2005, 02:27 PM

Well like the rest of us that don't walk on water ,we sometimes make mistakes .The NFL is run by people who aren't perfect .
I would think that at least one person in the group at the NFL offices that made that decision must've known it was an inherently bad idea, but at least we can agree it was a mistake.

IMO, the NFL should take some responsibility for it. Earlier in the thread, someone suggested making the Gints play the St. Louis game on the road and letting the Saints get an additional home game against St. Louis. That would balance everything out at 8 games a piece. Why has there been no mention of such an idea?

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 02:36 PM

I would think that at least one person in the group at the NFL offices that made that decision must've known it was an inherently bad idea, but at least we can agree it was a mistake.

IMO, the NFL should take some responsibility for it. Earlier in the thread, someone suggested making the Gints play the St. Louis game on the road and letting the Saints get an additional home game against St. Louis. That would balance everything out at 8 games a piece. Why has there been no mention of such an idea?

Like I said before and you guys agreed if it wasn;t the Giants fault then why make the Giants do it ?My point is you can't have it both ways you can't make the Giants pay for something the league did . Why not just throw out all home games for all teams in the playoff break down ?

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 02:40 PM

IMO, the NFL should take some responsibility for it. Earlier in the thread, someone suggested making the Gints play the St. Louis game on the road and letting the Saints get an additional home game against St. Louis. That would balance everything out at 8 games a piece. Why has there been no mention of such an idea?

Point ,Giant fans have already paid money for that game .The fans at the game the other night most likely were'nt season ticket holders .Pretty sure Redskin ticket holders paid their tickets months in advance also .

whitskins

09-22-2005, 02:41 PM

Again I have no idea what you talking about .I know some like it and some didn't .

You seem to have a distaste for second guessing in the matter of the Saints "home" game, but you were second guessing with the best of them when Gibbs benched Ramsey. Do you only hate complaints when they reflect upon the Giants?

BurgundyNGold

09-22-2005, 02:49 PM

Like I said before and you guys agreed if it wasn;t the Giants fault then why make the Giants do it ?My point is you can't have it both ways you can't make the Giants pay for something the league did . Why not just throw out all home games for all teams in the playoff break down ?
That's a nice little bundle of hyperbole. The fact is that the NFL screwed up. I do see your point that the season ticket holders for your Gints have already paid for that game. However, IMO, it would be worse to do nothing and leave things the way they are. The league should reimburse all of the Gint ticket holders for that St. Louis game and make it a road game for your Gints. If the season tciket holders don't like only going to 7 games, then perhaps they should've bought tickets to the Saints road game. In fact, I think many of them did.

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 02:50 PM

You seem to have a distaste for second guessing in the matter of the Saints "home" game, but you were second guessing with the best of them when Gibbs benched Ramsey. Do you only hate complaints when they reflect upon the Giants?

Nice try but LIKE MANY other Redskins fans it was more the way it was done it was wrong then and after the win it was still wrong .Remember Brunell was'nt player of the week it was Moss .I like Gibbs and all your spinning can't prove other wise .

P.S remember i didn't start this thread about the Giants game .Seems to me maybe someone else is the Giants fan .

chrisbcbu

09-22-2005, 02:52 PM

Point ,Giant fans have already paid money for that game .The fans at the game the other night most likely were'nt season ticket holders .Pretty sure Redskin ticket holders paid their tickets months in advance also .

What about the NO season ticket holders that paid for the home game already and didnt get to go?

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 02:55 PM

That's a nice little bundle of hyperbole. The fact is that the NFL screwed up. I do see your point that the season ticket holders for your Gints have already paid for that game. However, IMO, it would be worse to do nothing and leave things the way they are. The league should reimburse all of the Gint ticket holders for that St. Louis game and make it a road game for your Gints. If the season tciket holders don't like only going to 7 games, then perhaps they should've bought tickets to the Saints road game. In fact, I think many of them did.

IMO .lol.Have'nt heard much from the owners why don't they care ?Call the league complan .I'm sure the'll love your idea .

whitskins

09-22-2005, 02:55 PM

Nice try but LIKE MANY other Redskins fans it was more the way it was done it was wrong then and after the win it was still wrong .Remember Brunell was'nt player of the week it was Moss .I like Gibbs and all your spinning can't prove other wise .

P.S remember i didn't start this thread about the Giants game .Seems to me maybe someone else is the Giants fan .

Again, horrible job of deflecting. You think Gibbs handled the QB change wrong but the NFL did a great job of handling the Saints game. I can't tell who you're a bigger apologist for, the NY Giants of Paul Tagliabue. Who cares who was player of the week? That has nothing to do with what I said. You said the second guessing in this instance was stupid because it couldn't change anything, but last week you were second guessing Gibbs like a madman. Hypocrite warning...

And who cares who started the thread? Again, pointless (big shock). Tons of threads get started on other games on this site, get over yourself and make a legitimate point instead of looking foolish grasping at straws.

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 02:57 PM

What about the NO season ticket holders that paid for the home game already and didnt get to go?

The Saints well honer those tickets at the other stadiums ,as for the Giant game I was told it will be credit on next years tickets .

BurgundyNGold

09-22-2005, 02:57 PM

IMO .lol.Have'nt heard much from the owners why don't they care ?Call the league complan .I'm sure the'll love your idea .
The league doesn't care what I think. Apparently, they don't care what anyone thinks outside of NY and Gints fans. You must be quite pleased on both counts.

Joe-T

09-22-2005, 02:58 PM

Again, horrible job of deflecting. You think Gibbs handled the QB change wrong but the NFL did a great job of handling the Saints game. I can't tell who you're a bigger apologist for, the NY Giants of Paul Tagliabue. Who cares who was player of the week? That has nothing to do with what I said. You said the second guessing in this instance was stupid because it couldn't change anything, but last week you were second guessing Gibbs like a madman. Hypocrite warning...

And who cares who started the thread? Again, pointless (big shock). Tons of threads get started on other games on this site, get over yourself and make a legitimate point instead of looking foolish grasping at straws.

LOL, cool . :)