McNabb has hernia? (per PFT) [Archive] - hailRedskins.com Fan Board

GolfFreak

09-25-2005, 07:55 PM

Consider the source, but they are reporting (or Fox Sports is reporting) he may need surgery.

PFT (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)

MCNABB HAS HERNIA?

Jay Glazer of FOXSports reported on-air minutes ago that Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb was checked out this week for a sports hernia, and that tests were inconclusive.

If it is determined that McNabb's current abdomen problem traces to a hernia, he'll have surgery after the season to repair it.

Typically, players don't delay this procedure, which has knocked guys out of action for 6-8 weeks in the past. If McNabb plays with the condition, his mobility surely will be limited.

CarMike

09-25-2005, 08:00 PM

redskin_rich

09-25-2005, 08:11 PM

If he does, I hope he makes a quick and healthy recovery.

If he misses any time, I doubt the Eagles will miss a beat. 2 or 3 years ago when McNabb went down everyone thought that was it for the Eagles. [myself included] What happened? Feely comes in and plays his best football ever.

I think its the system instead of some of the players. Seems the Eagles can plug in anyone into that system and come out smelling like roses.
It was obvious today that something was wrong with McNabb. He definitely doesn't have his scrambling and running ability and he wasn't throwing with his legs under him. This will be interesting to watch, I still believe, like you Mike, that the coaches and the system will always be good but them not having McNabb's playmaking ability makes them vulnerable.

NCskinsfanatic

09-25-2005, 08:12 PM

Consider the source, but they are reporting (or Fox Sports is reporting) he may need surgery.

PFT (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)
To say he'll be limited in his mobility is an understatement lol.....I've had two hernia surgeries in my life and IMHO it's not exactly something you want to put off to continue playing a contact sport.

BandWagon

09-25-2005, 10:14 PM

Here's the FOX story: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4903072

FOXSports.com has learned that this week the Eagles star quarterback was tested for a sports hernia, a very vague tear or "disruption" in the abdominal area that does require surgery. McNabb had an MRI taken early this week and the results were sent to America's foremost sports hernia expert Dr. William Meyers.

According to those close to McNabb, the MRI was not conclusive enough to determine whether or not McNabb had an abdominal strain or a sports hernia. Often an MRI doesn't show a sports hernia in the early stages. In fact, in many cases a proper diagnosis cannot be made for quite a while.

But if McNabb does have a sports hernia, it would explain his reluctance so far this season to run with the ball. Fans and media have been wondering why McNabb has not run the ball as often as in the past. Heading into Week 3, he had just the one rush for no gain. Such an injury is excruciating when a player tries to open it up.

If, in fact, McNabb's ab strain turns out to be a sports hernia then he will have to play through the pain in the area for the remainder of the season as rest and treatment won't really cure the problem. Surgery would also be required following the year. The team would have to monitor his reps in practice throughout the season and rest him at times during the week until the Eagles season is complete.

Camden

09-25-2005, 11:09 PM

McNabb is pretty tough and will play thru this if it won't get worse or isn't career threatening. Remember he's played on a broken ankle ... played through torn rib cartilage in the NFC championship loss to Carolina ... and played through torn ligaments in his thumb a couple of years ago.

RoanokeSkin

09-26-2005, 06:23 AM

PyroGenic

09-26-2005, 06:31 AM

From watching that game today, it is pretty clear to me that both the sternum and the hernia were bothering him. David Akers' hamstring is another injury that is going to affect them all year long. Hamstring injuries on kickers dont allow for quick recovery.

Honestly I hate to see it. I want to go head to head with them...our best against theirs.

I felt really bad for Akers, it looked like he was in extreme pain whenever he was on the field. I respect that guy but damn, that's just kinda crazy.

dj_stouty

09-26-2005, 08:52 AM

This reminds me of Steve McNair last season....no practice...but starts on gameday. In the end...he couldn't keep up with the pace.

They are going to be in a shootout in Kansas City next week. Philly better hope McNabb is good to go...

smoak

09-26-2005, 09:04 AM

Ibleedburgundy

09-26-2005, 11:06 AM

From watching that game today, it is pretty clear to me that both the sternum and the hernia were bothering him. David Akers' hamstring is another injury that is going to affect them all year long. Hamstring injuries on kickers dont allow for quick recovery.

Honestly I hate to see it. I want to go head to head with them...our best against theirs.

I feel the same way. Don't want a handicapped win. Want a quality win. I hope McNugget makes a full recovery so he can get tore up by our defense.

nicefellow31

09-26-2005, 12:49 PM

It is scary to think we all saw that something was "wrong" with McNabb and he still threw for over 350 2 TDs.

I wish something was "wrong" with a Redskins QB for once.

That said, I see the Eagles as ripe for the picking if a team can start playing good football.

I couldn't agree more. Would love to see Ramsey or Brunell have something "wrong" with them.

PGiddy18

09-26-2005, 04:30 PM

And the Madden Curse lives on....

I'm sorry to hear this. McNabb is a quality player, and I hate to see a guy like him get hurt. I hope it all gets worked out.... but not so much that the eagles do better then last year :gwink:

The Skinsinator

09-26-2005, 06:00 PM

It is scary to think we all saw that something was "wrong" with McNabb and he still threw for over 350 2 TDs.

I wish something was "wrong" with a Redskins QB for once.

That said, I see the Eagles as ripe for the picking if a team can start playing good football.
It is indeed very scary. However, he didn't look like the same Donovan. Not near as much mobility and didn't hit several open passes he usually completes. As much as I hate to say it, that's how good this guy really is.

MoeRedskins

09-28-2005, 01:37 PM

It is confirmed McNabb has a hernia, but he says that he hopes it won't cause him to miss any time. If he doesn't get it fixed soon he will. I don't see somebody lasting anoth 13 weeks with an injury that I have heard is as painful as any out there.

McNabb's Hernia (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Apan4fuLiwIwunucxCPsQK5DubYF?slug=ap-eagles-mcnabb&prov=ap&type=lgns)

ryflan47

09-28-2005, 02:01 PM

It's not a good idea to play through the hernia. This guy's gonna be in P A I N!

smoak

09-28-2005, 02:12 PM

Wow, this is definetly going to be a issue when he gets hit in games.

BurgundyNGold

09-28-2005, 02:14 PM

Call McNabb whatever you want -- overrated, product of the system, best current QB -- I don't know if any of them are true. I do know one thing you can't call him: wimp.

smoak

09-28-2005, 02:16 PM

I really don't see how anyone could say McNabb is overrated. He is as good a QB there is these days.

Too bad he just won't go play for a nice AFC team.

BurgundyNGold

09-28-2005, 02:21 PM

I really don't see how anyone could say McNabb is overrated. He is as good a QB there is these days.

Too bad he just won't go play for a nice AFC team.
I think he is definitely an excellent QB. I don't think he is an elite QB though. Maybe just a half notch below that. I think that, from what I've seen, when the game is on the line or when the pressure gets ratcheted up, he's had a tendency to make killer mistakes and his accuracy goes out the window. Until he overcomes that tendency, he can't be considered an elite QB in my book. So, to me, he's only overrated by those who consider him an elite QB.

IowaSkinsFan

09-28-2005, 02:49 PM

If he does, I hope he makes a quick and healthy recovery.

If he misses any time, I doubt the Eagles will miss a beat. 2 or 3 years ago when McNabb went down everyone thought that was it for the Eagles. [myself included] What happened? Feely comes in and plays his best football ever.

I think its the system instead of some of the players. Seems the Eagles can plug in anyone into that system and come out smelling like roses.

The Iggles do have the best of the Detmer QB's and would probably rely heavily on Westbrook if it came to that. We might finally see what he can do as the centerpiece of the ofense carrying the ball 22+ times a game.

smoak

09-28-2005, 02:59 PM

I think he is definitely an excellent QB. I don't think he is an elite QB though. Maybe just a half notch below that. I think that, from what I've seen, when the game is on the line or when the pressure gets ratcheted up, he's had a tendency to make killer mistakes and his accuracy goes out the window. Until he overcomes that tendency, he can't be considered an elite QB in my book. So, to me, he's only overrated by those who consider him an elite QB.

I definitely agree that he hasn't been clutch, but you can say the same about Manning who saves some of his worst performances for big games. By your standard, Brady is the only elite QB because he is the only one doing it on a consistent basis. Here is a list of SB QBs (off the top of my head):

Brady/McNabb
Brady/Delhomme
Johnson/Gannon
Brady/Warner
Dilfer/Collins
Warner/McNair
Elway/Chandler?
Elway/Favre
Favre/Bledsoe

I absolutely wouldn't argue that some of McNabb's WORST performances come in his teams biggest games, but outside of Brady/Manning, who else in the NFL would you want? Who would you put higher?

smoak

09-28-2005, 03:04 PM

The Iggles do have the best of the Detmer QB's and would probably rely heavily on Westbrook if it came to that. We might finally see what he can do as the centerpiece of the ofense carrying the ball 22+ times a game.

Actually, when McNabb has missed games in the past, I don't recall the Iggles running more. Reid is a very stubborn man who really wants to win his way (throwing the ball). It is almost laughable at times...

I think McMahon would come in if McNabb is out long term and he would be very successful.

chrisbcbu

09-29-2005, 12:06 PM

Could this be the curse of "Madden" slowly creeping its way into Mcnabbs year??

smoak

09-29-2005, 12:07 PM

Could this be the curse of "Madden" slowly creeping its way into Mcnabbs year??

The Iggles are so blessed with luck that I am playing the wait and see game, but if he is ineffective/injured, you know that angle will be talked up.

danny's stogie

09-29-2005, 12:08 PM

Could this be the curse of "Madden" slowly creeping its way into Mcnabbs year??

LOL...I was just thinking this.

nicefellow31

09-29-2005, 12:40 PM

LOL...I was just thinking this.
You guys beat me to the punch. I was going to post the same thing.

PhillyPhil

09-29-2005, 01:26 PM

The Iggles are so blessed with luck that I am playing the wait and see game, but if he is ineffective/injured, you know that angle will be talked up.

Let me know when our "luck" wins us a SB. :rolleyes:

C-7

09-29-2005, 01:30 PM

Let me know when our "luck" wins us a SB. :rolleyes:

Luck will only get you so far, Phil.

smoak

09-29-2005, 01:38 PM

Let me know when our "luck" wins us a SB. :rolleyes:

Even with McNabb at 80%, you have to feel like you're knocking on the door again. I just mean that I feel Philly has been blessed to stay relatively healthy over the past few years. You have had an injury at a time or at a position that was critical... TO went down after you basically clinched everything. The year McNabb went down, I think you were far out in front... The d-line has been depleted at times which makes me wonder why you let a Corey Simon walk unless he is a cancer in the lockerroom.

But overall, you guys are usually healthy.

chrisbcbu

09-29-2005, 01:44 PM

smoak

09-29-2005, 01:57 PM

Except for the RB position.

Buckhalter goes down so much that I'm sure it doesn't feel like he is part of the team.

PhillyPhil

09-29-2005, 05:06 PM

Even with McNabb at 80%, you have to feel like you're knocking on the door again. I just mean that I feel Philly has been blessed to stay relatively healthy over the past few years. You have had an injury at a time or at a position that was critical... TO went down after you basically clinched everything. The year McNabb went down, I think you were far out in front... The d-line has been depleted at times which makes me wonder why you let a Corey Simon walk unless he is a cancer in the lockerroom.

But overall, you guys are usually healthy.

I think we are right back on the door step, but it's a long season, although on the injuries I have to disagree. Where do I start. We didn't have Westbrook during our entire playoff run 3 yrs ago, McNabb missed a bunch of games at the end of the season the year after and Owens through our playoff run last year. Those are huge injuries for long periods of time. That's not including Ritchie, Buckhalter for 2 yrs, Burgess for 2 yrs, McDougle gets shot, etc. Every team has injuries, but I think ours have been very big losses almost every year at a crucial time. I will never use that as an excuse for our failure to win a SB, but I had disagree with you on that one.
Corey Simon I think we should have held on to, he's not a cancer he's just really fat and out of shape.

danny's stogie

09-29-2005, 05:43 PM

I think we are right back on the door step, but it's a long season, although on the injuries I have to disagree. Where do I start. We didn't have Westbrook during our entire playoff run 3 yrs ago, McNabb missed a bunch of games at the end of the season the year after and Owens through our playoff run last year. Those are huge injuries for long periods of time. That's not including Ritchie, Buckhalter for 2 yrs, Burgess for 2 yrs, McDougle gets shot, etc. Every team has injuries, but I think ours have been very big losses almost every year at a crucial time. I will never use that as an excuse for our failure to win a SB, but I had disagree with you on that one.
Corey Simon I think we should have held on to, he's not a cancer he's just really fat and out of shape.

I disagree. The Eagles haven't caught the injury bug more so than any other team, but their injuries get more publicity and are more heavily scrutinized because the Eagles have been in contention for the past several years. For example, no one remembers that the SF 49ers lost Julian Peterson for most of last season and they may have won a game or two more if he was available, but when Westbrook goes down people say the Eagles would have won the NFC champ game if he was healthy.

PhillyPhil

09-29-2005, 06:50 PM

I disagree. The Eagles haven't caught the injury bug more so than any other team, but their injuries get more publicity and are more heavily scrutinized because the Eagles have been in contention for the past several years. For example, no one remembers that the SF 49ers lost Julian Peterson for most of last season and they may have won a game or two more if he was available, but when Westbrook goes down people say the Eagles would have won the NFC champ game if he was healthy.

I agree our injuries receive more attention than most. Although, I don't know there is another team in the league that lost one of their 3 best players, 3 consecutive years for a long stretch of the season into the playoffs. I don't think we get more injuries, but the ones we've had the last few years have been huge (Julian Peterson-like).

danny's stogie

09-29-2005, 07:59 PM

I agree our injuries receive more attention than most. Although, I don't know there is another team in the league that lost one of their 3 best players, 3 consecutive years for a long stretch of the season into the playoffs. I don't think we get more injuries, but the ones we've had the last few years have been huge (Julian Peterson-like).

Most teams lose one of their best players every year. Look at some of the injuries that have already occurred...

-Jevon Walker, one of GBs 3 best players.
-Takeo Spikes, buffalo's best player.
-Rodney Harrison, one of NE's best players (in fact, NE is a team that loses one of it's best players every year and everyone says, "oh no, they lost Ty Law! How will they ever recover?)
-Pennington
-Darius, one of jacksonville's best players.
-Jenkins, Carolina's best player
-Winslow, should I be allowed to suggest that the Browns have 3 best players?
-Birk, Vikings
-Butler, St. Louis, I know he's not one of their best players but considering how thin they are at CB his injury stings.

So considering the amount of invaluable players that have already been lost for the season losing one of your 3 best players each of the last 3 years for just a couple of games should seem like a blessing.

PhillyPhil

09-29-2005, 08:29 PM

Most teams lose one of their best players every year. Look at some of the injuries that have already occurred...

-Jevon Walker, one of GBs 3 best players.
-Takeo Spikes, buffalo's best player.
-Rodney Harrison, one of NE's best players (in fact, NE is a team that loses one of it's best players every year and everyone says, "oh no, they lost Ty Law! How will they ever recover?)
-Pennington
-Darius, one of jacksonville's best players.
-Jenkins, Carolina's best player
-Winslow, should I be allowed to suggest that the Browns have 3 best players?
-Birk, Vikings
-Butler, St. Louis, I know he's not one of their best players but considering how thin they are at CB his injury stings.

So considering the amount of invaluable players that have already been lost for the season losing one of your 3 best players each of the last 3 years for just a couple of games should seem like a blessing.

Your examples are one player in one year. Take the Javon Walker example. It's not saying the Packers lost Farvere one year, Green the next, and Walker the year after. Thats my point. It happened to the Eagles 3 years in a row. Anyway I was just disputing the guy who said the Eagles have been blessed with injuries.

redskin_rich

09-29-2005, 08:42 PM

Your examples are one player in one year. Take the Javon Walker example. It's not saying the Packers lost Farvere one year, Green the next, and Walker the year after. Thats my point. It happened to the Eagles 3 years in a row. Anyway I was just disputing the guy who said the Eagles have been blessed with injuries.
I know I'm a bit late to this discussion but I think the injuries happen to everybody. Sometimes they are more devastating, like in the case of losing a QB. Not many teams can overcome losing their starting QB for the season.
I will say this for Philly, you guys have done a great job of building depth, especially on both lines and in the secondary. You are thin at WR, LB and somewhat at RB. I think having depth where you all have it is the best place to be though.
That and good coaching is why the Eagles have survived their injuries over the years.

danny's stogie

09-29-2005, 09:00 PM

Your examples are one player in one year. Take the Javon Walker example. It's not saying the Packers lost Farvere one year, Green the next, and Walker the year after. Thats my point. It happened to the Eagles 3 years in a row. Anyway I was just disputing the guy who said the Eagles have been blessed with injuries.

I wouldn't know how to research this, but I'd guess that every team in the league loses one of their key players roughly 2 out of every 3 years. I pointed out 7 invaluable players (Butler and Winslow were both stretches, if you count them 9) that are already lost for the year and week 4 hasn't even started. Yes the Eagles lost some of their key guys for a couple of games, but for every game they missed I'm sure the Eagles' opponent had roughly the same amount of injuries. And also, you overestimate those losses. They all missed nothing more than a couple of games, none of them were out for even half the season.

PhillyPhil

09-30-2005, 07:44 AM

I wouldn't know how to research this, but I'd guess that every team in the league loses one of their key players roughly 2 out of every 3 years. I pointed out 7 invaluable players (Butler and Winslow were both stretches, if you count them 9) that are already lost for the year and week 4 hasn't even started. Yes the Eagles lost some of their key guys for a couple of games, but for every game they missed I'm sure the Eagles' opponent had roughly the same amount of injuries. And also, you overestimate those losses. They all missed nothing more than a couple of games, none of them were out for even half the season.

Not half the season but more than "a couple" of games, and playoffs are kind of important too.

McNabb (2002) missed last 5 games
Westbrook (2003) missed entire playoff run
Owens (2004) missed 7 weeks and 2 playoff games.

I agree every team has big losses, but would you agree with my initial point, disputing the statement "the Eagles have been blessed to stay relatively healthy over the past few years?"
That's the only point I'm trying to make, we've been no worse off than most teams, just not "blessed."
If it makes you feel any better I think we are going to lose this weekend. Really.

PhillyPhil

09-30-2005, 07:45 AM

I know I'm a bit late to this discussion but I think the injuries happen to everybody. Sometimes they are more devastating, like in the case of losing a QB. Not many teams can overcome losing their starting QB for the season.
I will say this for Philly, you guys have done a great job of building depth, especially on both lines and in the secondary. You are thin at WR, LB and somewhat at RB. I think having depth where you all have it is the best place to be though.
That and good coaching is why the Eagles have survived their injuries over the years.

Agreed. I appreciate the objectivity, Rich.

IowaSkinsFan

09-30-2005, 07:54 AM

I would add to this that I also admire the way that Philly has built their team, through the draft by and large. It helps fans indentify with the team, which has become increasingly harder in the days of FA. I wish the Redskins would take a page from Philly in that regard when it comes to the draft.

danny's stogie

09-30-2005, 09:48 AM

Not half the season but more than "a couple" of games, and playoffs are kind of important too.

McNabb (2002) missed last 5 games
Westbrook (2003) missed entire playoff run
Owens (2004) missed 7 weeks and 2 playoff games.

I agree every team has big losses, but would you agree with my initial point, disputing the statement "the Eagles have been blessed to stay relatively healthy over the past few years?"
That's the only point I'm trying to make, we've been no worse off than most teams, just not "blessed."
If it makes you feel any better I think we are going to lose this weekend. Really.

No, I agree with Smoak. Every team has injuries and I think you're overestimating the losses that the Eagles had. In none of the past playoff runs have the Eagles been ravished or devasted by injuries, thus the Eagles have been "relatively" injury free or at least akin to the league average. Some teams that make the playoffs can hardly field a team after the 16 game season. But at this point we're debating six and half a dozen.

It doesn't make me feel better that you think the Eagles are going to lose this weekend. I'll feel better if they lose...and if the giants lose, and the cowboys. I think Philly will win though. KC doesn't have anyone to replace Roaf and they weren't able to get into any rhythm against Denver because of his absense.

skins74

09-30-2005, 01:57 PM

I feel really bad for McNabb.....................NOT :Padawan:

PhillyPhil

09-30-2005, 07:39 PM

No, I agree with Smoak. Every team has injuries and I think you're overestimating the losses that the Eagles had. In none of the past playoff runs have the Eagles been ravished or devasted by injuries, thus the Eagles have been "relatively" injury free or at least akin to the league average. Some teams that make the playoffs can hardly field a team after the 16 game season. But at this point we're debating six and half a dozen.

It doesn't make me feel better that you think the Eagles are going to lose this weekend. I'll feel better if they lose...and if the giants lose, and the cowboys. I think Philly will win though. KC doesn't have anyone to replace Roaf and they weren't able to get into any rhythm against Denver because of his absense.

If not being "ravished by injuries" means relatively blessed then we are way off and I'm fine with just plain disagreeing on this one. I can't remember one team in recent playoff history that could "hardly field a team". We're not close to six one half dozen,but to each his own.