Assess the Seahawks:

[BandWagon]

I'm really having some trouble coming to a position on the Seahawks and thus an opinion on how the game might unwind.

Here's what I've thought about so far. 2-1 with their loss coming at the hands of Jacksonville. Of the games they've played so far, maybe this is the closest to what we might expect on Sunday. The final score was 26-14, so we'll definitely have to score points. I was a bit surprised by the win over Atlanta...which perhaps indicates their defense is better than expected. Finally, Sunday's game against Arizona...a 37-12 victory. Is it relevent? I'm not sure. The "experts" all anticipated Arizona being a better team this year, but perhaps they aren't. Let's hope they're not.

Notable Team Stats:

73 first downs to 47 by opponents
1197 Total offensive yards (423ru, 774pa)
9 Sacks
9 TD's
2nd ranked NFC Offense
6th ranked NFC Defense
4th best NFC Passer Rating
2nd best NFC rushing yards
Vegas Line: skins -2

If we can't score it's going to be a long day. How do you see it? What do you think?

[Redskin-4-life]

Seattle is a hard team to read, because you never know what team is going to show up. We went up against some of the toughest defenses in the league, in preseason and in the first 2 games. I think we match up pretty well with them though. I honestly believe we can pull this one off, but we have to jump on them early.

[smoak]

I think we are running into a buzz saw and LUCKY to have a week off to prepare. That said, no team in the NFC is unbeatable. We have to be positive on the turnover ratio and limit Alexander. Their WRs have the tendency to drop a lot of balls, but Hass and their D are both underrated. It is going to be a dog fight and Portis need to have a good game. The D line for Seattle will get pressure and make passing a problem...

I know I just rambled there, but those are my thoughts. It could be a long day if we don't show up... and that includes the fans.

[X-Factor13]

The whole offense is centered around shaun alexander. If we can stop him we win the game IMO. The offense has it's hot and cold days, but it seems like the points are always in the 20's, something we have yet to reach this year. Other than stopping the run, we need to blitz the pass. Especially to the side opposite walter jones, because that's the weak side of the line.

They dont have lots of big names on D, but they play well just like us. I think if we run through the tackles we'll be in good shape.

[smoak]

The whole offense is centered around shaun alexander. If we can stop him we win the game IMO. The offense has it's hot and cold days, but it seems like the points are always in the 20's, something we have yet to reach this year. Other than stopping the run, we need to blitz the pass. Especially to the side opposite walter jones, because that's the weak side of the line.

They dont have lots of big names on D, but they play well just like us. I think if we run through the tackles we'll be in good shape.

Easier said than done. They have a solid o-line and Alexander (IMO) is easily the best back we've faced this season. I nnever really got on the Julius Jones hype band-wagon, and not because he is from dallass.... I think Whitten is a top 3-5 TE in the league.

[Patrick]

The offense may be centered around Shaun Alexander BUT it works.
We need to shut down Alexander (<100 yards) and focus on their med/short passing game. Matt H. longest pass play of the year is 48 yards. Yeah, he gets it all over the place but it's mostly 10 - 20 area. BUT the key is Alexander. AND on the flip side of that - the most affective way to limit SA, keep their offense off the field but that would require us to establish and maintain a running game. .................. JMO

[GolfFreak]

Good analysis ... I think our D can hang with any offense in the league, but what about our O? Can we score enough points to win this game? I think we cannot be conservative in the play calling in this game, we need to punch them in the mouth early and often. Go deep vs. little dump offs, which will open up the defense for Portis.

Let's not forget how horrible Seattle plays on the road, FedEx should be rocking ... hopefully we come out with a win.

[Patrick]

Good analysis ... I think our D can hang with any offense in the league, but what about our O? Can we score enough points to win this game? I think we cannot be conservative in the play calling in this game, we need to punch them in the mouth early and often. Go deep vs. little dump offs, which will open up the defense for Portis.

Let's not forget how horrible Seattle plays on the road, FedEx should be rocking ... hopefully we come out with a win.


Excellent point ......... The 12th MAN needs to pick it up right where we left off.

[lakewinola]

If we don't score more than 20, we have no chance at winning this game. Alexander is a beast and Darrell Jackson is putting up big numbers, I don't think we can hold them under 20.

[smoak]

If we don't score more than 20, we have no chance at winning this game. Alexander is a beast and Darrell Jackson is putting up big numbers, I don't think we can hold them under 20.

oh ye of little faith.

[BigCountry]

Give our defense some love here. I think we're gonna find out that the Dallas offense is very, very good and we held them in check. I think we can handle their receivers one on one but stopping Alexander behind that offensive line is easier said then done. On offense it's the same story and it will be every week until we actually do it. Run the ball and hit some big plays...Their secondary is their strength but their front 7 is vulnerable. If we don't win on Portis' back this week I'm not sure we will win.

[BurgundyNGold]

Hit or miss offense. No defense to speak of. Shaun Alexander is a beast, but containable. I think we can score on these folks.

BTW, did anybody else see the money counter they ran this weekend where they pulled the two guards to the left and blocked the center and two tackles down to the right? It was the one where Alexander scored a TD. I thought that was a brilliant variation of the counter trey (guard and tackle pull) that accounts for backside defensive speed. It would be GREAT if we could add that to our bag of tricks.

[Skinz4lyfe]

This is a very important game for us to win. We're coming off the bye week and had an emotional victory of the 'Girls so in order to keep the momentum going we need to win.

That said in order for us to win our D-line much stop Alexander. If we can stop the run and force them into 3rd and long situations I believe Hasselback will make some mistakes. I think he'll try to force the ball in there from time to time. Let's not under-estimate Jeremy Stevens either. He can be a playmaker if the Seahawks used him better. But the primary concern for me is stopping Alexander because their offensive line is top 5 in the league to me.

On offense we must pass the ball well. Sure establishing the run is our bread and butter but I say lets fake 'em out and test their passing defense (which is very suspect). If we're able to pass the ball and get the 8th man out of the box, Portis should have a field day. Hamlin (their SS) is a heavy hitter but not as good in coverage. Go deep a couple of times and let's see what happens.

[CarMike]

Our defense will keep us in games. Its up to our offense to put up enough points to win those games.

I say if we can get 18-21 points our defense will do the rest.

[CapitalDefense]

If we can't score it's going to be a long day. How do you see it? What do you think? That could be said for all of our remaining games....

Seattle is gonna run, run and run some more, mixing in alot of play action passing that includes alot of slants and crossing patterns. Play the run game solid and try to limit Alexanders yards while not biteing on the play action fakes. WOW I just made the Seahawks sound almost unstoppable on offense...now the good news...... GW is gameplanning them.

[MoeRedskins]

If our D can contain Alexander, with they have proven that they can stuff the run we will win. I think which ever team has the most rushing yards by the end of the game will be the victor.

[CapitalDefense]

Our defense will keep us in games. Its up to our offense to put up enough points to win those games.

I say if we can get 18-21 points our defense will do the rest.
If we get 21 points in every game from now to the end of the season, well we will be doing quite well in the standings. Not really that much to ask from an NFL offense either.

[skins4life24]

the hawks are as hot and cold as anyone in the league . . .if they bring there A game they can pretty much keep up with if not beat anyteam in the NFL on the other hand its usually all or nothing with them if they don't play great they look horrible . . .so we just have to hope after two good weeks there worse side shows up.

[SkinsFan4Life2003]

The Seahawks always have trouble on the road, so if 91,000 fans show up and rep the home team, Seattle will be in big trouble. The key is containing alexander. we contain him we win easily.

[GWBlitzST]

The Seahawks always have trouble on the road, so if 91,000 fans show up and rep the home team, Seattle will be in big trouble. The key is containing alexander. we contain him we win easily.
That is the absolute truth. This game, like all of our home games, can be decided by the fans. For those of you who saw the San Diego v. Giants game, that is just a reinforcer of how important a crowd staying in the game is to a home team.

I want to see a few things this game that I feel we haven't done enough of:
1. Get Portis outside. Swing passes, screens, stretch plays, fake reverses, whatever, get the man in space.

2. 20-30 yard passes. I know Brunell has got it in him, and I know Patten is willing to go up the middle on a medium post rout.

3. Blitz Sean Taylor. It's not my screen name for nothing.

4. TURNOVERS ON DEFENSE.

If we do these things, we will run over the Seahawks IMO.

[Sweepea436]

That is the absolute truth. This game, like all of our home games, can be decided by the fans. For those of you who saw the San Diego v. Giants game, that is just a reinforcer of how important a crowd staying in the game is to a home team.

I want to see a few things this game that I feel we haven't done enough of:
1. Get Portis outside. Swing passes, screens, stretch plays, fake reverses, whatever, get the man in space.

2. 20-30 yard passes. I know Brunell has got it in him, and I know Patten is willing to go up the middle on a medium post rout.

3. Blitz Sean Taylor. It's not my screen name for nothing.

4. TURNOVERS ON DEFENSE.

If we do these things, we will run over the Seahawks IMO.

I like this take on it the best. The rest of you had me worried. When you put it this way.....we're a lock!!! I'll be there trying to bring down the whole 403 section!!!

[smoak]

If our D can contain Alexander, with they have proven that they can stuff the run we will win. I think which ever team has the most rushing yards by the end of the game will be the victor.

I would agree assuming turnovers are even. It is tough to win football games if we keep coughing up the ball.

[BandWagon]

I like this take on it the best. The rest of you had me worried. When you put it this way.....we're a lock!!! I'll be there trying to bring down the whole 403 section!!!
Oh yeah? I'm in 402. Where do you sit in 403? Do you know about our "grumpy old man" in our section?

[dj_stouty]

Alexander has 54 career rushes in three games against the Skins for 221 rushing yards, 90 receiving yards and two touchdowns. That averages out to 73 yards on the ground at 4ypc, 30 yards in the air and about a TD a game.

The best stat is the one that shows the Redskins are 3-0 against Alexander...

He was good then...and he is good now. However that hasn't stopped the Skins from limiting him to under 100 yards and holding him to a TD or less in a game.

The 2005 version of this defense is arguably the best Alexander has seen...so I'm confident we can contain him.

[jonesy]

Seattle looks better than they have in a while. We need to be ready and have a flawless gameplan. These guys have been together a while in the same system and are 2004 DIVISION WINNERS. The Oline is beast.

This is no cake walk for a 6-10 team vs a 2004 playoff team.

[ihatedallas]

The seahwaks are a very inconsistent team. They can come otu and blow you away, then in the second half give ti away. There secondary is good on paper but has had some bad days so far...They can run the ball, but a good defense always beats a great offense. I think Portis will have a good day against that front seven and it will open the playaction.

[LATrueRedskin]

We have a very good chance of beating the Seahawks right now. We've had two weeks to prepare for them, and they have a bad rushing defense. I'm sure Gregg Williams is loving having two weeks to prepare our defense. I think we'll finally be able to run the ball successfully (we've played two very good defenses against the run) and we won't really need those long pass heroics.

[LATrueRedskin]

The Seahawks always have trouble on the road, so if 91,000 fans show up and rep the home team, Seattle will be in big trouble. The key is containing alexander. we contain him we win easily.

They sure do. And our home crowd will be fanatic after our recent win too. FedEx will be a tough, tough place for the Seahawks to come to.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

The Seahawks always have trouble on the road, so if 91,000 fans show up and rep the home team, Seattle will be in big trouble. The key is containing alexander. we contain him we win easily.
thats the point i was going to bring up. seattle isnt and hasnt been a very good road team for the past several seasons. it seems like they are a completely different team when it comes to playing on the road. it seems like the redskins have had their number in the last few matchups as well. alexander was barely a factor in games in the past against us. now the past doesnt really matter, but i dont see alexander going over 70 yards rushing against our defense. and if seattle cant run, they dont win. on defense, they have good individual players that dont necessarily play as a unit. the hawks run D isnt great, so i can see portis having a good game on the ground. i say skins 23 'hawks 14

[Axegrinder]

Holmgren has a good offense.
These guys have remained intact and laid a good ol' butt whoopin on us a couple of years ago.I do believe that their defense can be exploited though.

[skinswin]

Seattle is not really that hard to figure out in my opinion. There really a running team and always have been.

So...we do what Jacksonville did to them and that is taking away Shawn Alexander has to be our first priority on defense.

Then..that will force Hasselbeck (who is one of the most overrated players in the league) to have to move the team down the field.

I love the match up of their WR's against our secondary. We can win that battle because there WR are ordinary at best and once Sean Taylor lays out a WR or two, all of them will have Alligator arms.

On Offense, we have to attack there suspect Cornerbacks. And we have Moss and Pattan to do just that. We have to put up 24 points to win this game but I see us moving the ball offensively and getting a couple of turnovers defensively to get those 24 points.

Redskins 24 Seahawks 16

[Biggie]

Seattle is not really that hard to figure out in my opinion. There really a running team and always have been.

So...we do what Jacksonville did to them and that is taking away Shawn Alexander has to be our first priority on defense.

Then..that will force Hasselbeck (who is one of the most overrated players in the league) to have to move the team down the field.

I love the match up of their WR's against our secondary. We can win that battle because there WR are ordinary at best and once Sean Taylor lays out a WR or two, all of them will have Alligator arms.

On Offense, we have to attack there suspect Cornerbacks. And we have Moss and Pattan to do just that. We have to put up 24 points to win this game but I see us moving the ball offensively and getting a couple of turnovers defensively to get those 24 points.

Redskins 24 Seahawks 16

Redskins 17 Seahawks 14, I think.

[camasterton]

Walter Jones is the best LT in football. Damn near every Shaun Alexander run goes over Jones. Mack Strong is a great blocking fullback, that's all he does! The rest of the line is competent and thier receivers and TEs are competent blockers too, ergo thier stone hands! What they don't see from thier years out in the "trick play" west (AFC now NFC) are defenses that play 60 minute defense! When they do see those types teams, here's what happens-2004 Tampa Bay gives up 17 yds to Alexander, N. England gives up 77 yds, Buffalo gives up 39 yds. This year Jacksonville gives them 73 yards. We am that type of defense! Then you let Hassleback beat you.

[RedskinsVision]

we're starting to develop a grind it out rushing game with the deep passing game. we should be able to wear them out at home as their D is not as good as Chicago's. their strength on offense is our strength on defense.. we match up well vs. S. Alexander.. he'll get his but as long as we hold him to under 85 yards that means we're doing a good job and it's up to Hasselbeck to beat us with receivers we shouldn't fear.

[PA Skins Girl]

They seem balanced on offense and solid on defense. This will be a very good benchmark. If we can pull out a win, we might just have ourselves a team.

[beerman72]

I gotta say, I really like our chances to improve to 3-0 in this one. We had a week off to avoid any type of "hangover" after an emotional win over the cowgirls at their homecoming......gibbs and company have had two weeks to game plan for alexander & hasselbeck, and seattle probably has no idea what to expect from us offensively, and quite frankly, i dont think else anyone does either. will it be the ultra-conservative, struggling to get first downs crew, or the one that opened up the playbook and took the game from dallas in the final 4 minutes?

being at fedex, chance to go 3-0, remembering that drive when the crowd forced da bears into consecutive false starts, i think the place would be tough for any team to win, much less one that struggles mightily on the road.

probably a close one b/c of the ineptitude of the offense at times, but a skins win nonetheless. 23-17

[Rich77]

If we don't score more than 20, we have no chance at winning this game. Alexander is a beast and Darrell Jackson is putting up big numbers, I don't think we can hold them under 20.

Seattle will score points. Can we? Can we get in the redzone? Redskins are averaging one touchdown per game this season. We are not doing much against decent defences. Need Brunell, Patton, Nemo and Cooley to step it up.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

i think in this game we NEED to score 21-24 points. this has to be a breakout game for the offense, and if it is, we will be in good shape this season.

[Dolla Bill]

Take Alexander out of the game with our offense. Our defense will stuff the run, that's what we're built for. If the score dictates that they have to pass, then our defense will have a field day. Seattle is really really good at home, but on the road, they are slightly above average.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

as good as shaun alexander is he hasnt gone over 100 yards rushing against the skins in the last 3 games (all losses for the seahawks) and only in one of those years ('01) we had a good defense. interstingly though, we played seattle 3 straight years (01-03). here are some of alexander's stats:


11/04/01 @Washington L 14-27
13 carries/60 yards/ 4.6 ypc/LG 41/1 TD
4 recs/42 yds

11/03/02 vs. Washington L 3-14
19 carries/67 yards/3.5 ypc/LG 16/0 TDs
8 recs/48 yds

11/09/03 @Washington L 20-27
22 carries/94 yds/4.3 ypc/ LG 17/1 TD

[Redskinfan28]

I think this is the week Portis goes off and has a big day.

[Biggie]

as good as shaun alexander is he hasnt gone over 100 yards rushing against the skins in the last 3 games (all losses for the seahawks) and only in one of those years ('01) we had a good defense. interstingly though, we played seattle 3 straight years (01-03). here are some of alexander's stats:


11/04/01 @Washington L 14-27
13 carries/60 yards/ 4.6 ypc/LG 41/1 TD
4 recs/42 yds

11/03/02 vs. Washington L 3-14
19 carries/67 yards/3.5 ypc/LG 16/0 TDs
8 recs/48 yds

11/09/03 @Washington L 20-27
22 carries/94 yds/4.3 ypc/ LG 17/1 TD

He got 100 yards in the first two of those games, and particularly catching balls. We have to watch out for that.

[EberKain]

You can look at stats all day long, but you wont know until the teams step on the field. Just look at Dallas, the stats say they have a good defense, and the 49ers score 31 points to the tune of 390 yards...

[chrisbcbu]

Wow i just went browsing on some Seahawks boards they like the matchups at WR. They predict that Springs is going to get lit up. I had to laugh at them when they said Ade Jimoh would be playing our nickel back against them.

[skinsdude]

i think in this game we NEED to score 21-24 points. this has to be a breakout game for the offense, and if it is, we will be in good shape this season.

I agree. Our defense can hang with anyones offense but we can't expect them to hold opponents to less than 14 points every week. We need to start scoring in the mid to high 20's every week with the occasional mid to high 30's or we are not going to be successful this year against teams like the Broncos, Chiefs, Eagles, and Chargers. We need to start scoring some points if we're going to play with the big boys. We have the tools, we need to start using them properly.

[openallnight]

Wow i just went browsing on some Seahawks boards they like the matchups at WR. They predict that Springs is going to get lit up. I had to laugh at them when they said Ade Jimoh would be playing our nickel back against them.
I think most of their fans are overly sensitive to the mistakes Springs made while in Seattle. I think he had a few poor games where he got burnt pretty bad and that's what sticks in their minds. Plus the fact he missed so much time due to injury.
And I guess they forgot about our #1 draft pick.

I will say that Hasselbeck is the best QB we've faced this year and we MUST get alot better pass rush than the 1st 2 games to slow down their passing attack.

[Biggie]

I think most of their fans are overly sensitive to the mistakes Springs made while in Seattle. I think he had a few poor games where he got burnt pretty bad and that's what sticks in their minds. Plus the fact he missed so much time due to injury.
And I guess they forgot about our #1 draft pick.

I will say that Hasselbeck is the best QB we've faced this year and we MUST get alot better pass rush than the 1st 2 games to slow down their passing attack.

We might put Arrington in the game more purely for the sake of getting some pressure on Hasselbeck.

[openallnight]

We might put Arrington in the game more purely for the sake of getting some pressure on Hasselbeck.
I sure hope you're right.
Plus the noise our 12th Man will bring should give our D front a half-step advantage in their rush.

[828791Redskins]

Don't know if this has been posted.Has anyone seen the poll on Nfl.com.It's a poll of which undefeated team has the best chance of losing their first game this weekend.Guess who is leading with 76 percent.It's hard to pick against all the other teams even though they are on the road.

[redskin_rich]

I'm very happy that we get them here. BTW, we lucked out with the schedule this year, having to play both West divisions. Having to travel only to AZ, DEN, KC and STL was a big break for us, IMO.

Seattle has a great RB, a good QB and average WR's. I like our Defense against them. On the other side, I do think this will be a big week for Portis and we need to control the clock. Cooley could have a big game as well. I doubt if they give us many deep chances but the middle of the field should be open if we can execute.

Skins-24

Hawks-17

[CowboyKilla]

My 2cents, Key 1:containment of S. Alexander 2: rattle Hasselback and most importantly 3: score at least 20 points.

[KMDeMuth]

NFL Line of Scrimmage: week 4 (http://www.fresnobee.com/24hour/sports/football/nfl/story/2759474p-11357948c.html)
FANTASY - FIVE TO BENCH.....
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Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks (at Redskins) - Washington defense has been terrific, and the Seahawks usually play poorly in all phases on the road.

Seattle (2-1) at Washington (2-0), Sunday, 1:00 (Washington -2)

Storylines: The Redskins, who had a bye last week, will try to stay atop a division in which the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants are all 2-1...Washington is attempting to start 3-0 for the first time since 1991, when they won their first 11 games en route to a 14-2 finish and Super Bowl title...Skins trailed Cowboys, 13-0, with four minutes to play in Week 2, before rallying behind two late touchdown passes from Mark Brunell to Santana Moss...Redskins defense has given up just 20 points in its first two contests combined...Seahawks are looking for their first three-game win streak since the beginning of the 2004 campaign, when they started 3-0...Hawks were 37-12 winners over Arizona last week...Seattle running back Shaun Alexander comes off a 22-carry, 140-yard, four-touchdown performance against the Cardinals...Matt Hasselbeck is fourth in the NFC in passer rating (91.8)...Wideout Darrell Jackson is tied for third in the league with 22 catches...The Seahawk defense enters the game having not allowed a touchdown in four quarters.

Fast Fact: The Redskins' Joe Gibbs is 4-0 all-time against the Seahawks, and Seattle's Mike Holmgren is 0-3 in his career against Washington.
Blockus' Power Rankings (http://www.mcall.com/sports/all-powerrankssep28,0,4270332.story?coll=all-sports-hed) 11. Washington Redskins (2-0), 12 Gibbs vs. Holmgren this week; 'Skins run defense vs. Alexander is the feature.

[ObiWan1278]

"Washington is attempting to start 3-0 for the first time since 1991,"

Didn't the redskins start 5-0 one season and then blow it and not make the playoffs...or am I delusional?

[STaylor#21]

"Washington is attempting to start 3-0 for the first time since 1991,"

Didn't the redskins start 5-0 one season and then blow it and not make the playoffs...or am I delusional?

No you are correct, I think they finished 8-8 that year at best. That was such a disappointment.

[hockeygoalie29]

"Washington is attempting to start 3-0 for the first time since 1991,"

Didn't the redskins start 5-0 one season and then blow it and not make the playoffs...or am I delusional?


No you are correct, I think they finished 8-8 that year at best. That was such a disappointment.


Actually, it was the other way around. In 2001, under Marty, we started 0-5, then won our next 5 to get to .500 and ended up finishing 8-8.

We did start off in 7-1 in 1996, under Norv, winning 7 straight after losing the opener. Of course we lost 6 of the next 7 and ended up 9-7 and out of the playoffs.

[openallnight]

Actually, it was the other way around. In 2001, under Marty, we started 0-5, then won our next 5 to get to .500 and ended up finishing 8-8.

We did start off in 7-1 in 1996, under Norv, winning 7 straight after losing the opener. Of course we lost 6 of the next 7 and ended up 9-7 and out of the playoffs.
Yep, I thought we started 7-0 in '96 but, you're right we did lose the opener.
I've pretty much blocked out the entire turner era so, I'm not surprised by the mistake.

[PennSkinsFan]

Ok, so the good thing with the receivers is Warrick and Jackson both have knee problems right now. Both may play, but they will be hobbled, good news for young Mr. Rogers

[IowaSkinsFan]

Actually, it was the other way around. In 2001, under Marty, we started 0-5, then won our next 5 to get to .500 and ended up finishing 8-8.

We did start off in 7-1 in 1996, under Norv, winning 7 straight after losing the opener. Of course we lost 6 of the next 7 and ended up 9-7 and out of the playoffs.

I might as well make this my sig line:

Never underestimate the ability of a Norv Turner coached football team to underachieve.

[smoak]

Ok, I know I have dug up some old threads today and hope that isn't going to get me in trouble, but I am sitting here ruinning a lot of code and just waiting for data... I get bored. I was wondering what the feel was for the first game against Seattle. Well here it is!

Enjoy.

[ihatedallas]

For the playoff game*

There offense is revolved around Alexander, and you cant stop him, just hold him to around 80-100 yards instead of 200. Hassleback doesn't scare me becuase he seems to crumble at crunchtime. We have to contai there wideouts, since any of the three can break out.

on offense we have to run the ball right at there tackles, thier soft in the middle.Samuels has to contain high motor Winstrom, who never quits on a play. Rabach has to get to the next level and block Tutapu or he'll be involved in every one of our running plays.Thier secondary is good but not great, but Boulware can be a ballhawk at times.There linebackers have been hit with injuries and arent very good on the outside.

[WABronco]

We might put Arrington in the game more purely for the sake of getting some pressure on Hasselbeck.

Ha, Walt (and even Locklear) would own Lavar.

[WABronco]

Ok, so the good thing with the receivers is Warrick and Jackson both have knee problems right now. Both may play, but they will be hobbled, good news for young Mr. Rogers

D Jack's back, Warrick's always injured and he's the 4th receiver anyways.

[ihatedallas]

Ha, Walt (and even Locklear) would own Lavar.

Walter Jones might, but he couldnt block Daniels and LaVar...as far as you saying Locklear could block LaVar I really, really doubt it...

[ihatedallas]

D Jack's back, Warrick's always injured and he's the 4th receiver anyways.

He posted that 3 months ago...when we BEAT Seattle...

[WABronco]

Hit or miss offense. No defense to speak of. Shaun Alexander is a beast, but containable. I think we can score on these folks.

"Hit or Miss" Right...

That's why they've got the 2nd overall offense yardage wise, and the first scoring wise.

"No defense to speak of"

That's crazy talk. Seattle's got the best pass rush in the league and the 5th best rush d. The only question mark is their secondary, but I doubt they're worrying much about Brunell. CP's good though, so you've got that goin' for ya.

And we'll see how containable Alexander is Saturday, pshh...:rolleyes:

[WABronco]

He posted that 3 months ago...when we BEAT Seattle...

Those exact words?

[smoak]

Ok, I know I have dug up some old threads today and hope that isn't going to get me in trouble, but I am sitting here ruinning a lot of code and just waiting for data... I get bored. I was wondering what the feel was for the first game against Seattle. Well here it is!

Enjoy.

I still agree with my opinion and I love quoting myself...

All kidding aside, it worries me that this time we do not have a full week top prepare. It is going to be the toughest game we have played all seaosn and we are absolutely capable of winning.

Is it Saturday yet?

[WABronco]

Is it Saturday yet?

Errggg...

I'm gonna be in Seattle Saturday, but I won't be at the game, which sucks. I can't even watch my Broncos beat the Pats. I'm gonna have to seal off my ears and eyes, drive home Sunday morning, and watch the game then.

Dang, if I find out who won before then, I'm gonna be pissed!!!!:banghead:

[whitskins]

Those exact words?

You're confused, this is an old thread, go back and look at the first post, it's from 3 months ago. You're quoting people based on their comments from Week Four, not this week.

[GibbsRules!]

"Hit or Miss" Right...

That's why they've got the 2nd overall offense yardage wise, and the first scoring wise.

"No defense to speak of"

That's crazy talk. Seattle's got the best pass rush in the league and the 5th best rush d. The only question mark is their secondary, but I doubt they're worrying much about Brunell. CP's good though, so you've got that goin' for ya.

And we'll see how containable Alexander is Saturday, pshh...:rolleyes:
Look closely and you'll see that you played Frisco, Zona and St Louis twice...all stat padding games. We played the AFC West and granted, we did lose to a weak Oakland team, but other than that played three tough teams in San Diego, KC and Denver. Seattle got handled by Jax, played two weak teams in Tennessee and Houston and played an Indy team that treated you guys like a pre season matchup.

Those stats you speak of are inflated at best. Take em with a grain of salt.

And remember Shaun Alexander did most of his damage with Sean Taylor out of the game. ;)

[WABronco]

You're confused, this is an old thread, go back and look at the first post, it's from 3 months ago. You're quoting people based on their comments from Week Four, not this week.

Bahahaha!

What a dumby...:doh:

[WABronco]

Look closely and you'll see that you played Frisco, Zona and St Louis twice...all stat padding games. We played the AFC West and granted, we did lose to a weak Oakland team, but other than that played three tough teams in San Diego, KC and Denver. Seattle got handled by Jax, played two weak teams in Tennessee and Houston and played an Indy team that treated you guys like a pre season matchup.

Those stats you speak of are inflated at best. Take em with a grain of salt.

And remember Shaun Alexander did most of his damage with Sean Taylor out of the game. ;)

I guess we'll have to wait till Saturday...

[bgforever]

I'm really having some trouble coming to a position on the Seahawks and thus an opinion on how the game might unwind.

Here's what I've thought about so far. 2-1 with their loss coming at the hands of Jacksonville. Of the games they've played so far, maybe this is the closest to what we might expect on Sunday. The final score was 26-14, so we'll definitely have to score points. I was a bit surprised by the win over Atlanta...which perhaps indicates their defense is better than expected. Finally, Sunday's game against Arizona...a 37-12 victory. Is it relevent? I'm not sure. The "experts" all anticipated Arizona being a better team this year, but perhaps they aren't. Let's hope they're not.

Notable Team Stats:

73 first downs to 47 by opponents
1197 Total offensive yards (423ru, 774pa)
9 Sacks
9 TD's
2nd ranked NFC Offense
6th ranked NFC Defense
4th best NFC Passer Rating
2nd best NFC rushing yards
Vegas Line: skins -2

If we can't score it's going to be a long day. How do you see it? What do you think?


What was the 3rd down ratio of run to pass for their offense. I am thinking its about a 60-40 split or near it in favor of Alexander, even when 7 yds out.
It is probably how they also get big gains, on the defenses selling out up front, he blurs the D Line and has smallish corners to run over. He's a load too, as he can dip in and out, but like Portis, when outside, he creams you.

Hint. Meet him in his first two steps. Taylor, Clark and OLB have to get plenty of rest too, because the O Line of Seattle is formidable on his setting up blocking and cutbacks. We have two ways to work at this and I am not even giving it away to a Seattle fan here. Like I said before, its about the knowledge. This is going to be an offensive chess match, as well as a defensive one, more so than Tampa Bay.

3rd Dwn conversions don't have to be the end of the world, but I'd take my chances past their 45 and in, to avoid Frost's punting behavior.

[28beerslater]

Look closely and you'll see that you played Frisco, Zona and St Louis twice...all stat padding games. We played the AFC West and granted, we did lose to a weak Oakland team, but other than that played three tough teams in San Diego, KC and Denver. Seattle got handled by Jax, played two weak teams in Tennessee and Houston and played an Indy team that treated you guys like a pre season matchup.

Those stats you speak of are inflated at best. Take em with a grain of salt.

And remember Shaun Alexander did most of his damage with Sean Taylor out of the game. ;)

Yeah stats really don't mean a thing. But lately when Seattle has needed to score it has. I can't remember the last time where I thought "we really need to score here" and we didn't. Turnovers will be the key to the game for both teams.

[smoak]

Yeah stats really don't mean a thing. But lately when Seattle has needed to score it has. I can't remember the last time where I thought "we really need to score here" and we didn't. Turnovers will be the key to the game for both teams.

Stats really do not mean much in football. It will all take place on the field. I guess since the Seahawks can "score at will", then the other seven teams should just quit now. :rolleyes:

[smoak]

Bahahaha!

What a dumby...:doh:

Sorry for the confusion, but I went back to read this thread and founf it interestign enough to bring back. I wonder if some of the naysayers still feel the way they do b/c at the time we were 2-0 if wins that didn't look very impressive in the books.

[ihatedallas]

Bahahaha!

What a dumby...:doh:

lol i thought the same thing when i opened the thread...

[GibbsRules!]

Yeah stats really don't mean a thing. But lately when Seattle has needed to score it has. I can't remember the last time where I thought "we really need to score here" and we didn't. Turnovers will be the key to the game for both teams.

Exactly.

I know you have some capable WRs...D Jacks, Engram and Jurevicious and Hackett. Out of the lot I worry most about Joe Jurevicious. He seems to come up big in big games with clutch receptions and he knows how to do it in the playoffs. We need to clamp down on him and watch Jeramy Stevens as well. He's also come on strong as of late.

[Biggie]

You know, if we control the clock, their offense can't score 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 points on us like most of their fans predict.

[WABronco]

You know, if we control the clock, their offense can't score 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 points on us like most of their fans predict.

I dunno about that many, I was thinkin' more around 77 points or somethin...:lol1:

[redwolf1218]

Michael Boulware bothers me. he has good size, speed and athletic ability. their corners are fast too. their linebackers are not so fast. on defense they will have to choose to put Boulware on either Portis or Cooley, and the other of those 2 will most likely have to beat a slower linebacker. it will be up to Brunell to read that coverage.

on offense they have a great offensive line (most teams with a league-leading running back do). we have great linebackers to counteract them by helping our d-line in run support. Marshall, Arrington and Washington should be up to that task.

i would not overlook Hasselback against our banged up secondary. Taylor needs to have another huge game.

[28beerslater]

You know, if we control the clock, their offense can't score 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 points on us like most of their fans predict.

lol we haven't scored that many since the Texans game. But really our offense is used to sitting on the sidelines a lot. Our defense hasn't been able to get anybody off the field lately. We don't allow many points but it seems our D is out there FOREVER.

[28beerslater]

Exactly.

I know you have some capable WRs...D Jacks, Engram and Jurevicious and Hackett. Out of the lot I worry most about Joe Jurevicious. He seems to come up big in big games with clutch receptions and he knows how to do it in the playoffs. We need to clamp down on him and watch Jeramy Stevens as well. He's also come on strong as of late.

Yeah Jurevicious has great hands and I was really impressed at how he stepped up this season. The last few games though he hasn't gotten in much which really puzzles me since he was our go-to guy all year and now he's back to No.3. I think we'll incorporate him a lot more this Saturday and he should be the go-to man again.

[redwolf1218]

Yeah Jurevicious has great hands and I was really impressed at how he stepped up this season. The last few games though he hasn't gotten in much which really puzzles me since he was our go-to guy all year and now he's back to No.3. I think we'll incorporate him a lot more this Saturday and he should be the go-to man again.
all of your receivers are pretty big but not real fast. we have pretty good sized corners and safeties to match up against them. speed guys worry me more against our secondary. Jerevicius is slower than your tightends, running backs and even your fullback, according to this:
http://www.couchscout.com/hawk.htm
but it's hard to defend against a 6'-4 guy when the ball is in the air. he worries me in the red zone if he's matched up against Walt Harris.

[BandWagon]

Ok, I know I have dug up some old threads today and hope that isn't going to get me in trouble, but I am sitting here ruinning a lot of code and just waiting for data... I get bored. I was wondering what the feel was for the first game against Seattle. Well here it is!

Enjoy.
Thanks Smoak! I think this might be my first "comeback" thread!

[helimech24]

Yeah Jurevicious has great hands and I was really impressed at how he stepped up this season. The last few games though he hasn't gotten in much which really puzzles me since he was our go-to guy all year and now he's back to No.3. I think we'll incorporate him a lot more this Saturday and he should be the go-to man again.

I have always liked JJ, even with TB. The key to him will be our safety play and how Lemar does in the zone. If he can get back far enough to get into the passing lane, he will have trouble going over the middle. If Stevens and JJ are used right and Matt has enough time, we will have a long day. I think GW will get a lot of confusion out of your guys, but what worries me is the big plays we like to give up in big games on the road.

[Farmer Ted]

[QUOTE=WABronco]I'm gonna be in Seattle Saturday, but I won't be at the game, which sucks. I can't even watch my Broncos beat the Pats.QUOTE]

Don't worry, NO ONE is going to get to see the Broncos beat the Pats. Shanny is going to keep his losing streak going in the playoffs this weekend. You heard it here first.:)

[WABronco]

[QUOTE=WABronco]I'm gonna be in Seattle Saturday, but I won't be at the game, which sucks. I can't even watch my Broncos beat the Pats.QUOTE]

Don't worry, NO ONE is going to get to see the Broncos beat the Pats. Shanny is going to keep his losing streak going in the playoffs this weekend. You heard it here first.:)

nice one...:Padawan:

[helimech24]

[QUOTE=WABronco]I'm gonna be in Seattle Saturday, but I won't be at the game, which sucks. I can't even watch my Broncos beat the Pats.QUOTE]

Don't worry, NO ONE is going to get to see the Broncos beat the Pats. Shanny is going to keep his losing streak going in the playoffs this weekend. You heard it here first.:)

I hope you are wrong. I hate the Pats more than I hate the Broncos.

[Farmer Ted]

[QUOTE=Farmer Ted]

I hope you are wrong. I hate the Pats more than I hate the Broncos.

Well, so do I, but I've got to live with Broncos fans, and it's just more fun when they lose. I actually sort of liked the Broncos before I moved here.

[28Zcomeback]

As for their record, the Seahawks met five winning teams all year. One of those victories was against a banged-up, undermotivated Colts. They struggled against teams like the 49ers and the Cards.

With regard to our firsst meeting with them, they seemed to move the ball with ease against our defense As I recall, between the 20's it was pretty scary.

But this is the playoffs. The Seahawks have never faced a fighting, scratching playoff team like the Redskins. Brunell knows how to win; Hasselback?

If Brunell gets off to a fast start, and silences the home crowd, it will be interesting to see if Hassel can pass the Hawks back into the game.

[santanadasavior]

No one really knows how good the Seahawks really are. They have won most of their games but they haven't played anyone really good.

[inevitable]

Silencing the crowd is going to be difficult. Playoff crowds are like playoff teams, they don't stop fighting. Our guys are just going to have to play through the noise, its going to be bad all day long.

The best thing to do, in my opinion, is try to establish the run game, run at their smaller DT, Chuck Darby (listed as 270 lbs) and Lofa Tatupu. Force the safties up and hurt them with a deep ball to Santana.

OBviously we've tried to do that, and we've done it pretty effectively very often this year.

The matchup between Big Baby (Dockery) and Marcus Tubbs will be a good one. As will our T's vs. their DE's. Winstrom, imo, is a little washed up. Fischer, not bad either, but I think Samuels can handle him in the running and passing game.

I really think that if one of our other receivers can step up, we'll have a great shot of exploiting the Seahawks below average secondary. Particularly without saftey help over the top, if we establish the run game early.

Should be a great game between a team with a decent offense and amazing defense, and a team with an amazing offense and decent defense.

I think, like many playoff games, it will come down to the coaching, and Mike Holmgren just isn't in the same ballpark as Joe Gibbs, imho.

[santanadasavior]

Silencing the crowd is going to be difficult. Playoff crowds are like playoff teams, they don't stop fighting. Our guys are just going to have to play through the noise, its going to be bad all day long.

The best thing to do, in my opinion, is try to establish the run game, run at their smaller DT, Chuck Darby (listed as 270 lbs) and Lofa Tatupu. Force the safties up and hurt them with a deep ball to Santana.

OBviously we've tried to do that, and we've done it pretty effectively very often this year.

The matchup between Big Baby (Dockery) and Marcus Tubbs will be a good one. As will our T's vs. their DE's. Winstrom, imo, is a little washed up. Fischer, not bad either, but I think Samuels can handle him in the running and passing game.

I really think that if one of our other receivers can step up, we'll have a great shot of exploiting the Seahawks below average secondary. Particularly without saftey help over the top, if we establish the run game early.

Should be a great game between a team with a decent offense and amazing defense, and a team with an amazing offense and decent defense.

I think, like many playoff games, it will come down to the coaching, and Mike Holmgren just isn't in the same ballpark as Joe Gibbs, imho.

Keys to winning on the road in the playoffs.
1. Score first.
2. Don't turn the ball over.
3. Take the ball away.
4. Run the ball consistantly and effectively.
5. Convert third and longs.
6. Make short yardage stops.

All of these things would take the life out of the crowd if they were to get rowdy.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Seattle wins games by having the ball in their hands and controling the ball. We have to manage the game and keep the ball in Clinton's hands.

[28beerslater]

Seattle wins games by having the ball in their hands and controling the ball. We have to manage the game and keep the ball in Clinton's hands.

Yeah I think turnovers will be key for you guys winning.

[dallasadmin]

I was curious about Alexanders performance last time we met so I looked play by play.

1st possession
1-10-WAS35 (6:51) S.Alexander left end to WAS 35 for no gain (C.Griffin).

2nd possession
1-10-SEA20 (:03) S.Alexander right end to SEA 23 for 3 yards (L.Marshall).
2-7-SEA23 (15:00) S.Alexander right end to SEA 27 for 4 yards (C.Griffin).
2-1-WAS44 (13:28) S.Alexander up the middle to WAS 41 for 3 yards (P.Daniels).
2-10-WAS30 (11:32) S.Alexander right end to WAS 29 for 1 yard (S.Springs).
PENALTY on SEA-R.Tobeck, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at WAS 30 - No Play.

3rd possession
2-10-SEA43 (2:00) S.Alexander left guard to SEA 46 for 3 yards (R.Wynn; P.Daniels).
1-10-WAS45 (1:03) S.Alexander left end to WAS 41 for 4 yards (C.Rogers). FUMBLES (C.Rogers), ball out of bounds at WAS 46.
3-15-50 (:52) M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete to S.Alexander (M.Bowen).

4th possession
2-5-SEA49 (13:14) S.Alexander left tackle to SEA 49 for no gain (C.Rogers).

5th possession
1-10-SEA37 (6:13) S.Alexander right end pushed ob at WAS 29 for 34 yards (S.Taylor).
2-3-WAS3 (4:14) S.Alexander right end for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

6th possession - 4th quarter
1-10-SEA39 (14:32) S.Alexander left end to SEA 44 for 5 yards (L.Marshall).
PENALTY on SEA-D.Hackett, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SEA 44.

7th possession
1-15-SEA21 (6:52) S.Alexander left tackle to SEA 20 for -1 yards (C.Killings).
1-10-SEA45 (5:08) S.Alexander up the middle to 50 for 5 yards (C.Killings).
3-5-50 (3:50) S.Alexander left guard to WAS 41 for 9 yards (L.Marshall).
1-10-WAS41 (3:21) S.Alexander left end pushed ob at WAS 24 for 17 yards (R.Clark).
3-1-WAS15 (2:32) S.Alexander up the middle to WAS 12 for 3 yards (R.Wynn).

8th possession (off the Interception)
1-10-WAS33 (:49) S.Alexander left end to WAS 29 for 4 yards (C.Griffin).
2-6-WAS29 (:19) S.Alexander up the middle to WAS 29 for no gain (M.Washington).

Overtime
Redskins drive for field goal

Aside from 2 good ones he averages under 3 yards per carry.
I'm not too worried about stopping him.