Dan Patrick talking about Ramsey

[joethefan]

On now....Chris Mortenson to talk about it in about 20 minutes....

Arguing the Health of Brunell and McNair as a reason for Ramsey and Volek to stay.

[danny's stogie]

Mort thinks the heat will get turned up on the Ramsey trade. Says the Jets need to start thinking long term and that if it's not Ramsey that they try to start thinking of a package deal for Leinhart similar to the Giants and Eli.

[whistleandthumb]

Fatsquerelli is reporting that we aren't going to deal Ram.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2173731

[Redskin4Life]

Fatsquerelli is reporting that we aren't going to deal Ram.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2173731
On the radio, ESPN reported that Lenny P. asked the Skins FO and they have no comment... sounds like the same reaction that Fatass got when he reported that we were going to pick Campbell.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I agree that we shouldn't deal Ramsey during this season because if we did, we would be betting our season on the health of Brunell. Campbell is obviously not ready. Trading Ramsey after the season might be something we should look in to. The way they were talking about Ramsey, I think Ramsey's value is a little higher than some people around HR think. Mortensen was saying Ramsey is probably their best option. The Jets called the Redskins twice which leads one to believe they had an initial offer, and then they sweetened the deal and the Skins still didn't bite. Can't say there is any particular player on the Jets that the skins need but it looks like they might have a high draft spot next year.

[chrisbcbu]

I agree that we shouldn't deal Ramsey during this season because if we did, we would be betting our season on the health of Brunell. Campbell is obviously not ready. Trading Ramsey after the season might be something we should look in to. The way they were talking about Ramsey, I think Ramsey's value is a little higher than some people around HR think. Mortensen was saying Ramsey is probably their best option. The Jets called the Redskins twice which leads one to believe they had an initial offer, and then they sweetened the deal and the Skins still didn't bite. Can't say there is any particular player on the Jets that the skins need but it looks like they might have a high draft spot next year.

If they would offer up Abraham i would have done the deal in a heartbeat, but i dont see them doing that. And he is probably the only guy on the team i would want.

[EberKain]

I really see no way that we get rid of Ram, because I dont see him pitching a fit like Coles. We all know Brunell is not going to be around for many years, and he will be lucky to stay healthy all this year. Ram and Cambell will be a good 1-2 QB situation in years to come. IMO

[Redskin4Life]

I agree that we shouldn't deal Ramsey during this season because if we did, we would be betting our season on the health of Brunell. Campbell is obviously not ready. Trading Ramsey after the season might be something we should look in to. The way they were talking about Ramsey, I think Ramsey's value is a little higher than some people around HR think. Mortensen was saying Ramsey is probably their best option. The Jets called the Redskins twice which leads one to believe they had an initial offer, and then they sweetened the deal and the Skins still didn't bite. Can't say there is any particular player on the Jets that the skins need but it looks like they might have a high draft spot next year.
Depends on what you consider "sweetening"... they probably offered a 4th, then called back with a 3rd. Skins FO is probably waiting for the 2nd or 1st for next year from them. And as scary as it sounds, they might give it up. I don't think the Jets are telling the media how bad the injury really is. Could be career-ending.

Dinger could do wonders with a strong armed QB like Ramsey in NY.... not to mention the Coles to Ramsey connection already exists. And I doubt they can flush their season down the toilet to fast enough to get Leinart.... one 1st pick for Ramsey or 4 picks (2 first) for Leinart. I would take my chance with Ramsey...

[SuperScout2]

This is going to be interesting right up to the trade deadlines. The Redskins are emphatic about not trading Ramsey (at this time). Teams are very interested in Ramsey.

Someone in the hierarchy of the Redskins likes Ramsey and is holding the wolves at bay. I'm guessing its the coach(es) other than Gibbs.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I know it's tough but some of these doctors are really blowing it. Pennington has had the same surgery twice and they still haven't gotten it right. Maybe the Jets rushed him back but after all these years of football and all this money shouldn't they know better? Dr. James Andrews stock just went down.

I have a titanium rod running length-wise through my femur bone and I have had zero complications in 8 years and I can run faster than ever. My surgeon rules. I need to send him another card.

[Redskin4Life]

If they would offer up Abraham i would have done the deal in a heartbeat, but i dont see them doing that. And he is probably the only guy on the team i would want.
Skins might be waiting for Abraham and pick for Ramsey since we know what kind of desperation they're in plus the money to sign Abraham to a long term deal.... maybe Abraham and 4th for Ramsey.

Also, we would need some kind of assurance that Abraham wouldn't get injured during the season... 1st if he goes down during this year.

[Redskin4Life]

This is going to be interesting right up to the trade deadlines. The Redskins are emphatic about not trading Ramsey (at this time). Teams are very interested in Ramsey.

Someone in the hierarchy of the Redskins likes Ramsey and is holding the wolves at bay. I'm guessing its the coach(es) other than Gibbs.
Could be the FO, waiting for a better deal. The 1st round pick for Ramsey....

[Ibleedburgundy]

Depends on what you consider "sweetening"... they probably offered a 4th, then called back with a 3rd. Skins FO is probably waiting for the 2nd or 1st for next year from them. And as scary as it sounds, they might give it up. I don't think the Jets are telling the media how bad the injury really is. Could be career-ending.

Dinger could do wonders with a strong armed QB like Ramsey in NY.... not to mention the Coles to Ramsey connection already exists. And I doubt they can flush their season down the toilet to fast enough to get Leinart.... one 1st pick for Ramsey or 4 picks (2 first) for Leinart. I would take my chance with Ramsey...


The Cardinals seem to be pretty intent on winning the Leinert lottery.

[BIGSEF3]

The Jets would be foolish to give up a 1st. Considering they may very well end up with the 1st overall pick, meaning leinhart, why would they give that up for ramsey?

I also am curious about the Jets calling the skins twice. I wonder if "the toe" is giving any input on the matter. Presumabley, he has no reason not to love Ramseys attitude or his arm.

[Curtisprc3]

I'm sure this will be the time when Ramsey goes public with his desire to be traded!

[superbowl06]

I think his value is much higher right now than it will be at the end of the year. If we can get a second round pick, Abraham, or a combo package that's lucrative, we should take our chances. I know that campbell's "not ready," but i honestly think we'd be about the same with a rookie making mistakes as with ramsey's bone-headed passes

[superbowl06]

And you KNOW Patrick's agent is going to start lobbying

[Stinkfist0]

I'm not suggesting giving Ramsey away, but the Skins should at least be open to the possibility of talking to the Jets. The reports make it sound like they have just flat out rejected the idea of a trade. The Jets interest is in no doubt peaked right now in part out of desperation. Now may be the time to get maximum value from them. I'm not so sure that the Skins will be able to get as much after the season when more options will become available to teams.

Even if Brunell gets hurt, Ramsey hasn't shown that he is a great player in the Washington offense.

The Skins should take Brunell as their starter and go ahead with Campbell as the #2. Campbell may not be ready to start, but if he is forced to play because of injury then so be it.

With the draft and free agency, many QB needy teams will be able to look elsewhere to fill their needs. The Skins actually have an advantage in that they already have their future starter (Campbell) as their #3 QB. This gives them a chance to deal their #2 (Ramsey), and still have a viable backup. Campbell is a rookie, he's not retarded. The coaching staff must feel he has talent if they traded up to get him in the 1st round. Looking at the Redskins' QBs passing stats the last two years, I'm fairly condifent JC could match that output.

[Redskin4Life]

The Jets would be foolish to give up a 1st. Considering they may very well end up with the 1st overall pick, meaning leinhart, why would they give that up for ramsey?

I also am curious about the Jets calling the skins twice. I wonder if "the toe" is giving any input on the matter. Presumabley, he has no reason not to love Ramseys attitude or his arm.
The Jets HONESTLY have the makeup to win a couple of games (NO, Buf twice) but I have NO confidence in ARIZONA, Bills, Texans or the 49ers undercutting the Jets for the #1 pick. Then that would leave them without Ramsey and without Leinart.... or worse, they would have to give up MORE for either one of them. The Leinart sweepstakes is going to gain more interest and maybe more compensation than the SD-NYG trade.

And what about the worst case scenario, Leinart gets hurt... Ramsey's value will increase EXPONENTIALLY cause he would then be the best option out there.

I'm not staking my life on this or anything... but realistically, I think the Jets will give their #1 up, hoping to salvage the season with Ramsey and make it a teens 1st.

[STaylor#21]

The Jets HONESTLY have the makeup to win a couple of games (NO, Buf twice) but I have NO confidence in ARIZONA, Bills, Texans or the 49ers undercutting the Jets for the #1 pick. Then that would leave them without Ramsey and without Leinart.... or worse, they would have to give up MORE for either one of them. The Leinart sweepstakes is going to gain more interest and maybe more compensation than the SD-NYG trade.

And what about the worst case scenario, Leinart gets hurt... Ramsey's value will increase EXPONENTIALLY cause he would then be the best option out there.

I'm not staking my life on this or anything... but realistically, I think the Jets will give their #1 up, hoping to salvage the season with Ramsey and make it a teens 1st.

If we could get Abraham or a 1st Round Pick I would be overwhelmed with joy. I agree now is the time to get rid of Ramsey, his stock is at the all time high (presuming leinart doesn't get injured). Why wouldn't we move on this deal? Because Ramsey is a good backup, are you kidding me! I was with Brunell from the start of the preseason and don't see why people think Patrick is the way to go. If you want to average 2 int's a game, he's our quarterback, but I definetly do not.

[Redskin4Life]

I'm not suggesting giving Ramsey away, but the Skins should at least be open to the possibility of talking to the Jets. The reports make it sound like they have just flat out rejected the idea of a trade. The Jets interest is in no doubt peaked right now in part out of desperation. Now may be the time to get maximum value from them. I'm not so sure that the Skins will be able to get as much after the season when more options will become available to teams.

Even if Brunell gets hurt, Ramsey hasn't shown that he is a great player in the Washington offense.

The Skins should take Brunell as their starter and go ahead with Campbell as the #2. Campbell may not be ready to start, but if he is forced to play because of injury then so be it.

With the draft and free agency, many QB needy teams will be able to look elsewhere to fill their needs. The Skins actually have an advantage in that they already have their future starter (Campbell) as their #3 QB. This gives them a chance to deal their #2 (Ramsey), and still have a viable backup. Campbell is a rookie, he's not retarded. The coaching staff must feel he has talent if they traded up to get him in the 1st round. Looking at the Redskins' QBs passing stats the last two years, I'm fairly condifent JC could match that output.
Not to mention our #3 next year is still available in Bryson Spinner (I think).... I'm sure he knows enough of the offense to be a good #3 QB.

Guys, I don't want to bash on Ramsey cause I'm one of his supporters but realistically, what about this offense do any of you feel works to Ramsey's strengths?? This offense is about ball control and not being stupid with the ball... Ramsey has proven, even in limited action this season, that he can't shake the Ol' Ball Coach's brainwashing from his game. I say we trade him and let someone else "reprogram him"....

Points to ponder: what if Brunell plays well, doesn't get injured and takes us to the promise land (I'm only hoping for the playoffs)? We would have Ramsey on the bench for NOTHING... or what if Brunell gets hurt late in the season with a chance at the playoffs, do you want Ramsey in there or a Campbell that understands the system and is ready to go?

[superbowl06]

If we could get Abraham or a 1st Round Pick I would be overwhelmed with joy. I agree now is the time to get rid of Ramsey, his stock is at the all time high (presuming leinart doesn't get injured). Why wouldn't we move on this deal? Because Ramsey is a good backup, are you kidding me! I was with Brunell from the start of the preseason and don't see why people think Patrick is the way to go. If you want to average 2 int's a game, he's our quarterback, but I definetly do not.

Exactly. I think a qb off the street would be as good at ramsey in DC. he's strong-armed, etc., but his confidence is shaken and he's clearly not developed in his ability to read plays. Let's get some value NOW instead of trading him for a 5th rounder next year.

[thickskin]

I know it's tough but some of these doctors are really blowing it. Pennington has had the same surgery twice and they still haven't gotten it right. Maybe the Jets rushed him back but after all these years of football and all this money shouldn't they know better? Dr. James Andrews stock just went down.

I have a titanium rod running length-wise through my femur bone and I have had zero complications in 8 years and I can run faster than ever. My surgeon rules. I need to send him another card.

that's great, but how many linebackers are chasing you when you run?

[Ibleedburgundy]

Not to mention our #3 next year is still available in Bryson Spinner (I think).... I'm sure he knows enough of the offense to be a good #3 QB.

Guys, I don't want to bash on Ramsey cause I'm one of his supporters but realistically, what about this offense do any of you feel works to Ramsey's strengths?? This offense is about ball control and not being stupid with the ball... Ramsey has proven, even in limited action this season, that he can't shake the Ol' Ball Coach's brainwashing from his game. I say we trade him and let someone else "reprogram him"....

Points to ponder: what if Brunell plays well, doesn't get injured and takes us to the promise land (I'm only hoping for the playoffs)? We would have Ramsey on the bench for NOTHING... or what if Brunell gets hurt late in the season with a chance at the playoffs, do you want Ramsey in there or a Campbell that understands the system and is ready to go?


If we are going to keep throwing these 5-10 yard outs and the WR screens you need somebody with a gun for an arm. The sooner the ball gets there, the less likely it is to be intercepted and the more time the WR has to make his move.

Obviously Brunell 2005 is the better QB but that arm strength issue (what ever it was, he doesn't admit it but we all know something was wrong) could come back. As soon as 2004 Brunell comes back, we need to go back to Ramsey. And 2004 Brunell will come back eventually, it's only a matter of time. Will it be this season? Next season? Who knows. Gibbs has always stressed having a good back-up QB and it's a good policy.

[Stinkfist0]

I'm not sure what is really fair value for Ramsey, but I know all this talk about getting Abraham in return is unrealistic. Getting Abraham and a pick is inconceivable.

Abraham is an all-star caliber pass rusher. He is good enough the Jets were willing to franchise him, which means they were willing to pay him top 5 DE money to keep him.

Ramsey is a young QB with potential who hasn't really proven anything, throws a lot of picks, and has never even show enough to be considered a definite starter in the league.

Anyone who feels Ramsey's value equates to Abraham is suffering from some major hometown bias. If we had the Jets QB situation, with everything else being equal, would you guys trade Shawn Springs or Sean Taylor, or Marcus Washington for Joey Harrington or Billy Volek? I doubt it.

[Ibleedburgundy]

that's great, but how many linebackers are chasing you when you run?

When I run it doesn't matter who is behind me. Only who's in front.

[Redskinfan28]

If we could get Abraham or a 1st Round Pick I would be overwhelmed with joy. I agree now is the time to get rid of Ramsey, his stock is at the all time high (presuming leinart doesn't get injured). Why wouldn't we move on this deal? Because Ramsey is a good backup, are you kidding me! I was with Brunell from the start of the preseason and don't see why people think Patrick is the way to go. If you want to average 2 int's a game, he's our quarterback, but I definetly do not.

If we trade Ramsey and Brunell goes down, our season is done. Campbell is not ready.

[Redskinfan28]

I'm not sure what is really fair value for Ramsey, but I know all this talk about getting Abraham in return is unrealistic. Getting Abraham and a pick is inconceivable.

Abraham is an all-star caliber pass rusher. He is good enough the Jets were willing to franchise him, which means they were willing to pay him top 5 DE money to keep him.

Ramsey is a young QB with potential who hasn't really proven anything, throws a lot of picks, and has never even show enough to be considered a definite starter in the league.

Anyone who feels Ramsey's value equates to Abraham is suffering from some major hometown bias. If we had the Jets QB situation, with everything else being equal, would you guys trade Shawn Springs or Sean Taylor, or Marcus Washington for Joey Harrington or Billy Volek? I doubt it.

Yep

[CNYSkinFan]

I'm not sure what is really fair value for Ramsey, but I know all this talk about getting Abraham in return is unrealistic. Getting Abraham and a pick is inconceivable.

Abraham is an all-star caliber pass rusher. He is good enough the Jets were willing to franchise him, which means they were willing to pay him top 5 DE money to keep him.

Ramsey is a young QB with potential who hasn't really proven anything, throws a lot of picks, and has never even show enough to be considered a definite starter in the league.

Anyone who feels Ramsey's value equates to Abraham is suffering from some major hometown bias. If we had the Jets QB situation, with everything else being equal, would you guys trade Shawn Springs or Sean Taylor, or Marcus Washington for Joey Harrington or Billy Volek? I doubt it.


Absolutely correct!!!

[hail2skins]

In this day and age of the game and we hear it all the time, you need to good QB's for a season. Maybe the coaches aren't ready for Campbell to be #2 and that's why they are not trading Ramsey.

[Motorhead1]

We will not trade Ramsey period, Danny might take risks but Joe will not. He is a firm believer of a "bird in the hand is better then two in the bush" he'll protect the teams season first, before trying and improve our draft chances. Thats what he (conservative) and we just have to live with it, but as we like to say "in Joe we trust"

[Rich77]

I think his value is much higher right now than it will be at the end of the year. If we can get a second round pick, Abraham, or a combo package that's lucrative, we should take our chances. I know that campbell's "not ready," but i honestly think we'd be about the same with a rookie making mistakes as with ramsey's bone-headed passes

I would get rid of Ram if we were 0-2, but right now the playoffs are not out of the question and Ram may be needed later in the season. It would give the team confidence for next season just to be competing for a playoff spot. We are paying Ram to do a job and he needs to shut up and behave like a team player, which he is not doing.
Tennessee changed quarterbacks against LSU at halftime last night and it resulted in a big win for them.

[akhhorus]

If we trade Ramsey and Brunell goes down, our season is done. Campbell is not ready.


probably, but who knows. If I told you before the 04 season that Roethlesberger would win his first 15 regular season starts in a row, you'd have me locked up. Campbell might be ready, he might not. We don't know until he plays.

[BurgundyNGold]

probably, but who knows. If I told you before the 04 season that Roethlesberger would win his first 15 regular season starts in a row, you'd have me locked up. Campbell might be ready, he might not. We don't know until he plays.
I doubt it. You've gotten off of far more serious charges. :D

[akhhorus]

I doubt it. You've gotten off of far more serious charges. :D

If only you knew.....

[CarMike]

The Jets would be foolish to give up a 1st. Considering they may very well end up with the 1st overall pick, meaning leinhart, why would they give that up for ramsey?

I also am curious about the Jets calling the skins twice. I wonder if "the toe" is giving any input on the matter. Presumabley, he has no reason not to love Ramseys attitude or his arm.

BIGSEF, where do you come up with this stuff? No way the Jets get the #1 overall pick even with Testiverde as their QB. The 49ers, Cardinals, Texans all come to mind when talking about the #1 spot. The Jets could still go to the playoffs this year....

[Redskin4Life]

I'm not sure what is really fair value for Ramsey, but I know all this talk about getting Abraham in return is unrealistic. Getting Abraham and a pick is inconceivable.

Abraham is an all-star caliber pass rusher. He is good enough the Jets were willing to franchise him, which means they were willing to pay him top 5 DE money to keep him.

Ramsey is a young QB with potential who hasn't really proven anything, throws a lot of picks, and has never even show enough to be considered a definite starter in the league.

Anyone who feels Ramsey's value equates to Abraham is suffering from some major hometown bias. If we had the Jets QB situation, with everything else being equal, would you guys trade Shawn Springs or Sean Taylor, or Marcus Washington for Joey Harrington or Billy Volek? I doubt it.
Problem is the Jets franchised him so he wouldn't get away for nothing. The Jets can't sign him to a long term deal so I'm guessing they're just waiting for an opportunity to trade him to someone for a 1st (at least). But in this case, Ramsey could be their future and present with this injury possibly being career-threatening. The Jets might give up Abraham and a low draft pick...

[Redskin4Life]

I'm not sure what is really fair value for Ramsey, but I know all this talk about getting Abraham in return is unrealistic. Getting Abraham and a pick is inconceivable.

Abraham is an all-star caliber pass rusher. He is good enough the Jets were willing to franchise him, which means they were willing to pay him top 5 DE money to keep him.

Ramsey is a young QB with potential who hasn't really proven anything, throws a lot of picks, and has never even show enough to be considered a definite starter in the league.

Anyone who feels Ramsey's value equates to Abraham is suffering from some major hometown bias. If we had the Jets QB situation, with everything else being equal, would you guys trade Shawn Springs or Sean Taylor, or Marcus Washington for Joey Harrington or Billy Volek? I doubt it.
In response to your rhetorical question I ask this:

Would you rather lose all this year AND LOSE SPRINGS in the offseason??? Abraham is a FA again at the end of the season. He's not signing a new deal. Why not get something for him?!?!?

And in the Skins case, they sense blood in the water up there... we're going to nibble at them until we take a big bite and take that pick and Abraham.

Maybe I'm being a homer about all of this, but I just see the QB as being the toughest to draft and the hardest to replace while DE seem to come up all the time from nowhere (Jason Taylor a 3rd, Bertrand Berry a 3rd, Lance Johnstone a 2nd, a couple undrafted and these were all top 20 in sacks last year).

[whistleandthumb]

The Jets probably offered a low round pick, then called back and offered a slightly higher pick. My guess is that they would try to trade for Ramsey, were rejected, and then signed Vinny. I'm sure we didn't bite because the deal wasn't sweet enough, and I think the only thing that would entertain Gibbs would be a first round pick. The Jets, knowing Penny's noodle is done, are probably saving as many picks and assets (read: Abraham) as they can to make a deal for the #1 pick next year (read: Leinart).

There's no way the Jets give us a #1 for Ram when they could be a contender in the Leinart sweepstakes. And we're not taking anything less than a #1 because we need Ram when Brunell goes down this year.

[bigsetz]

I would only trade Ramsey to the Jets for a first rounder. There's this kid from BC they call Kiwi that I wouldnt mind having on the team and with the Jets #1 it might just be high enough to grab him. That'd be a solution to the DE problem and would be cheaper than signing Abraham to a massive contract. Just my 2 cents...

[silverspring]

I need to see Brunell play more than 5 minutes of good football before we give away our backup. Show me at least a half of decent qb play and then I will consider it if we get a sweet deal.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I don't think it would be a good idea to trade Ramsey during the season, but we aren't likely to get the same for him that we could during an in season trade. I think most teams know we aren't going to keep him after this season anyway.

[redskin_rich]

I don't think it would be a good idea to trade Ramsey during the season, but we aren't likely to get the same for him that we could during an in season trade. I think most teams know we aren't going to keep him after this season anyway.
Exactly, sell while the stock is high. If the price is right, we have to listen. Patrick has no future here, besides, some here are saying that ESPN has Ramsey demoted to 3rd string anyway. Why worry about our 3rd?

[IowaSkinsFan]

Exactly, sell while the stock is high. If the price is right, we have to listen. Patrick has no future here, besides, some here are saying that ESPN has Ramsey demoted to 3rd string anyway. Why worry about our 3rd?

I know ESPN has been saying that, but I can't believe that. Campbell isn't close to being ready. If Ramsey was third string, they would have made the deal. You don't hold on to 3rd string QB's when a trade is offered unless they are a high first round pick still in their rookie year (i.e. Campbell).

[palladia]

Exactly, sell while the stock is high. If the price is right, we have to listen. Patrick has no future here, besides, some here are saying that ESPN has Ramsey demoted to 3rd string anyway. Why worry about our 3rd?

Agreed. If someone is desperate enough to offer a 1st round pick for him, we have to be smart enough to take it.

[44Riggo]

I would only trade Ramsey to the Jets for a first rounder. There's this kid from BC they call Kiwi that I wouldnt mind having on the team and with the Jets #1 it might just be high enough to grab him. That'd be a solution to the DE problem and would be cheaper than signing Abraham to a massive contract. Just my 2 cents...

I'm not seeing a 1st rounder coming our way for Ramsey...I'd be thrilled to get a 2nd rounder. My guess is if the jets did call the Redskins there offering a 4th or in that territory. Ramsey has done nothing on a consistant basis to justify any team giving up a #1 pick.

[guinness4health]

I know it's tough but some of these doctors are really blowing it. Pennington has had the same surgery twice and they still haven't gotten it right. Maybe the Jets rushed him back but after all these years of football and all this money shouldn't they know better? Dr. James Andrews stock just went down.

I have a titanium rod running length-wise through my femur bone and I have had zero complications in 8 years and I can run faster than ever. My surgeon rules. I need to send him another card.

I think that part of the reason is that the surgery that was done on Pennington the first time was a new experimental procedure (which is what was reported on sports center last night...if we can believe that to be the truth cause we know how reliable ESPN can be at times)....

If this is the truth then it is clear that the original injury that Pennington suffered was far worse than the Jets ever let on. Which explains why it has turned out to be unsuccessful and it also explains why it was taking so long for Pennington to get healthy this off season....

IF the orginal injury was truly what they said it was the rehab for it shouldn't have lasted as long....

tough break for Pennington and the Jets.

[bigsetz]

I'm not seeing a 1st rounder coming our way for Ramsey...I'd be thrilled to get a 2nd rounder. My guess is if the jets did call the Redskins there offering a 4th or in that territory. Ramsey has done nothing on a consistant basis to justify any team giving up a #1 pick.

Oh, I dont think they'd give up a # 1 pick to begin with, but hypothetical...if we send Taylor up there to hold them at gun point and we get a choice of 1st rounder to Abraham...I'd go w/ the 1st pick.

Is it just me or do we really like trading with the Jets and Broncos...

[IowaSkinsFan]

NY has to realize that they aren't going to have a very good season, so it will be very hard to get them to part with their #1 pick for next season because it is going to be so high.

No QB they bring in now is going to save their season. They don't know the playbook, haven't practiced with the WR's. The Jet's best chance to win is with Bollinger.

[swheeler]

Is it just me or do we really like trading with the Jets and Broncos...
We do our share of trading with the Eagles, too.

[IowaSkinsFan]

We do our share of trading with the Eagles, too.

Nah, they mostly just sign our free agents: Thrash, Kalu, McCants....We've only traded for Thrash that I can remember.

[GreenspanDan]

I have a titanium rod running length-wise through my femur bone and I have had zero complications in 8 years and I can run faster than ever. My surgeon rules. I need to send him another card.

yeah, but how many times a year do you get sacked by 250-pound linemen?

[44Riggo]

We might have gotten a #1 three years ago...now the book is open on what Ramsey is, a strong armed, tough QB that's not going to make waves or cause trouble but also one that makes critical mistakes at the wrong times and doesn't throw a long ball with air under it. Not to say he won't appeal to a club or two but he's no longer 1st round material. Remember other clubs know our situation too; the Jets may be dealing from somewhat a position of weakness but so are we. Ramsey is currently the #2 QB with only one year left on his contract with a #1 draft choice sitting behind him.

[GreenspanDan]

if i see the words "first round" mentioned again in this thread i'm going to scream. please, nobody has and nobody is going to offer a first rounder for Ramsey. we'd be lucky to get a second rounder. a third round pick is what we'd likely be offered.

[bigsetz]

You never know the Herm and Co. over there. If he thinks Ramseys the guy that can get them out of a funk then he might pull the trigger... "you play to win the game!"...remember. Either way, at the end I think he'll be saying this old line..."playoffs!...you wanna talk about playoffs??!!"

HA HA :jetsuk:

[whitskins]

The Jets shouldn't give up any draft picks for Ramsey, they need to hold on to them so they can offer a bounty for the #1 pick to get Leinhart. That would be hilarious, Leinhart has already taken over LA, the next logical step would be to become King of New York. It'd be Broadway Joe all over again!

[IowaSkinsFan]

The Jets shouldn't give up any draft picks for Ramsey, they need to hold on to them so they can offer a bounty for the #1 pick to get Leinhart. That would be hilarious, Leinhart has already taken over LA, the next logical step would be to become King of New York. It'd be Broadway Joe all over again!

The way it's going, they are going to have to offer that bounty to Houston, because they already have David Carr........

[whitskins]

The way it's going, they are going to have to offer that bounty to Houston, because they already have David Carr........

Arizona could sneak in there though too. Of course, Denny Green would probably make the trade so he could snag another WR...

[smoak]

On the radio, ESPN reported that Lenny P. asked the Skins FO and they have no comment... sounds like the same reaction that Fatass got when he reported that we were going to pick Campbell.

That jerk is luck I am not working in the front office, b/c I certainly would have a comment but he would not be able to print it.

[smoak]

Nah, they mostly just sign our free agents: Thrash, Kalu, McCants....We've only traded for Thrash that I can remember.

Don't forget Shawn Barber, Brian Mitchell, David Akers...

[camasterton]

Ramsey has a live arm. He's thrown 33 TD passes vs 29 ints in a couple of seasons of work for an organization and coaching staffs that have been inept to inconsistent. There are way plenty of Coaches and personel men in the league who think he's worth it. We better too.

[akhhorus]

Don't forget Shawn Barber, Brian Mitchell, David Akers...

I don't know why people keep counting Akers as an "ex Skin". He was on the TC roster for about 15 minutes.

[GoDannyBoy]

I am impressed. We are not getting a first for Ramsey. But I say the future is with Campbell and if Brunell goe down then put in Campbell.

He is mobile and he has an arm to get the ball downfield. Let him run a lot the first couple years to keep the "D" honest and move on.

[saviour]

I would trade Ramsey just becuase this would be the time to do it. I am pretty sure we can get something decent if the Jets continue to ask about him. They will drive the price up hopefully and we should be able to parlay that into something worthwhile.

We need to come up with a better offensive scheme before we worry about what QB's we have on our roster. We won by playing streetball against a weak secondary. This offense has done nothing but make both of our QB's look bad. Santana Moss bailed our offense out by abusing Roy Williams and Brunell made a big play with his legs but that does not hide that fact that we STILL have an unimaginative offense.

It just kills me to see San Diego and San Francisco of all teams abuse the C'Boys secondary for entire games and we wait until we have under 3 minutes on the clock before we test them. I could have sworn we were going to open up the offense this year.

[Dexter72]

I don't know why people keep counting Akers as an "ex Skin". He was on the TC roster for about 15 minutes.

Didn't Akers play a game for the Skins? I thought he came in one season (2000?), played in the 2nd game of the season, missed a 47 yarder and got cut by Norv the following week...A week after Scott Blanton got cut after the opener...Does that sound right to anyone?

Edit:
It was 98. He missed wide from 48 and 49 -- good cut, Norv!

| Name | FGM FGA PCT | XPM XPA | PT |
+----------------------+------------------+------------+-------+
| David Akers | 0 2 0.0 | 2 2 | 2 |
| Cary Blanchard | 11 17 64.7 | 30 31 | 63 |
| Scott Blanton | 2 4 50.0 | 4 4 | 10 |


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was1998.htm

[whitskins]

I would trade Ramsey just becuase this would be the time to do it. I am pretty sure we can get something decent if the Jets continue to ask about him. They will drive the price up hopefully and we should be able to parlay that into something worthwhile.

We need to come up with a better offensive scheme before we worry about what QB's we have on our roster. We won by playing streetball against a weak secondary. This offense has done nothing but make both of our QB's look bad. Santana Moss bailed our offense out by abusing Roy Williams and Brunell made a big play with his legs but that does not hide that fact that we STILL have an unimaginative offense.

It just kills me to see San Diego and San Francisco of all teams abuse the C'Boys secondary for entire games and we wait until we have under 3 minutes on the clock before we test them. I could have sworn we were going to open up the offense this year.

Watch the game again, our WRs were abusing their secondary all game long. Brunell was just having a hard time getting synched up with them. Then he and Moss finally clicked and we got two huge scores and we won. What the heck was "streetball" about straight up torching a cover four for two long TDs?

Brunell only had a few days to work with the first string WRs, the previous six weeks of the season he was throwing to Antonio Brown and Kevin Dyson. The offense as a whole just needs to click because WRs were open streaking down the field and we were throwing it to them. Once those passes connect then you can consider this offense "opened up".

[rskinsfan10]

I know it's tough but some of these doctors are really blowing it. Pennington has had the same surgery twice and they still haven't gotten it right. Maybe the Jets rushed him back but after all these years of football and all this money shouldn't they know better? Dr. James Andrews stock just went down.You seem to be contradicting yourself. On one hand you are saying that maybe the Jets rushed him back. You also say that they haven't gotten the surgery right. Now Dr. Andrew's stock has went down. How is that the case? For all we know, it could have been Pennington himself that didn't take the proper precaution in not resting as long as he should have.

I don't see how this hurts Andrews' rep as the best in the business.

[MWballer]

I think we should trade Ramsey if the offer is right. The best deal u can get is wen the other person is desperate we've all seen that in Fantasy Football plenty of times. So if we can get a 2nd and 3rd round pick or jus a First rnd pick for him id accept that and run. There not giving up Abraham so we might as well stop talking bout getting him Id rather either draft one of the promising young DE with a 1st that we get. Or take Freeney who to me is better than Abraham in the offseason with all that brand new cap space well have nex year. If we do make this trade we've gotta go pick up a vet fast cause I think we have a chance this year and dont want to rest the season on a rookies shoulders. That may be Y we've not accepted a trade yet cause were looking for a vet whos rotting out there. Maybe Tim Couch lol im joking and im serious at the same time tho.

[akhhorus]

Didn't Akers play a game for the Skins? I thought he came in one season (2000?), played in the 2nd game of the season, missed a 47 yarder and got cut by Norv the following week...A week after Scott Blanton got cut after the opener...Does that sound right to anyone?

Edit:
It was 98. He missed wide from 48 and 49 -- good cut, Norv!

| Name | FGM FGA PCT | XPM XPA | PT |
+----------------------+------------------+------------+-------+
| David Akers | 0 2 0.0 | 2 2 | 2 |
| Cary Blanchard | 11 17 64.7 | 30 31 | 63 |
| Scott Blanton | 2 4 50.0 | 4 4 | 10 |


http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was1998.htm

I stand corrected, but this is not like cutting Wycheck when you knew how good he was and Norv cut him just because he was caught with roids.

[saviour]

Watch the game again, our WRs were abusing their secondary all game long. Brunell was just having a hard time getting synched up with them. Then he and Moss finally clicked and we got two huge scores and we won. What the heck was "streetball" about straight up torching a cover four for two long TDs?

Brunell only had a few days to work with the first string WRs, the previous six weeks of the season he was throwing to Antonio Brown and Kevin Dyson. The offense as a whole just needs to click because WRs were open streaking down the field and we were throwing it to them. Once those passes connect then you can consider this offense "opened up".


I have watched the game a few times already becuase I like to see what we are doing on offense. I didnt mean to say that we were not completing passes becuase we were completing enough to sustain the minimul drives that we had, but not enough to get into scoring position. But yes, there were passes completed. The difference in our passing game and other teams is that we dont put enough pressure on people throughout the entire game with our passing offense. We only make passes long enough to move the chains.

I applaud Mike Nolan for attacking the Boys defense all game long, just as Eli Manning did to the Chargers defense. The pressured the opposing defense so much that they did not know what part of the field to cover and it showed. With our offense everyone seems to sit in the short to middle area of the field becuase we never like to take a chance downfield becuase it may kill the drive. The best part about that 4 minute stretch against the Cowboys is that we kept the pressure on them even when they kept knocking the ball down. Roy Williams even dropped a sure shutout cliching INT but we kept on attacking. That is the kind of offense that everyone was expecting. Why have Moss if you are not sending him deep on atleast 40 percent of the time. He will keep the safety out of the box by himself. Hopefully with that display we will start attacking more. The entire game felt like a 2004 game with different personell until the last 4 minutes when we started to attack. It seemed as if Jacobs or Moss was going deep on every play and I loved it becuase you could see the middle of the field was wide open.

The reason why I referred to it as streetball was becuase the routes were suggested by Moss and not called by the coaching staff. He went to the coaches and said "I think I can get behind them with a double move so give me a shot". That is what we all did as kids when we played. I just found it to be strange that we didnt attack them like that throughout the entire game until it was absolutely needed.

[whitskins]

I have watched the game a few times already becuase I like to see what we are doing on offense. I didnt mean to say that we were not completing passes becuase we were completing enough to sustain the minimul drives that we had, but not enough to get into scoring position. But yes, there were passes completed. The difference in our passing game and other teams is that we dont put enough pressure on people throughout the entire game with our passing offense. We only make passes long enough to move the chains.

I applaud Mike Nolan for attacking the Boys defense all game long, just as Eli Manning did to the Chargers defense. The pressured the opposing defense so much that they did not know what part of the field to cover and it showed. With our offense everyone seems to sit in the short to middle area of the field becuase we never like to take a chance downfield becuase it may kill the drive. The best part about that 4 minute stretch against the Cowboys is that we kept the pressure on them even when they kept knocking the ball down. Roy Williams even dropped a sure shutout cliching INT but we kept on attacking. That is the kind of offense that everyone was expecting. Why have Moss if you are not sending him deep on atleast 40 percent of the time. He will keep the safety out of the box by himself. Hopefully with that display we will start attacking more. The entire game felt like a 2004 game with different personell until the last 4 minutes when we started to attack. It seemed as if Jacobs or Moss was going deep on every play and I loved it becuase you could see the middle of the field was wide open.

The reason why I referred to it as streetball was becuase the routes were suggested by Moss and not called by the coaching staff. He went to the coaches and said "I think I can get behind them with a double move so give me a shot". That is what we all did as kids when we played. I just found it to be strange that we didnt attack them like that throughout the entire game until it was absolutely needed.

Well I guess we've both watched the game multiple times then but I still feel like we were attacking deep throughout the game. In the first quarter Brunell had a pass batted away in the endzone from about 35 yards out that Moss abused the secondary on that was underthrown.

I saw Patten get at least five yards behind the defense on one play only to have the ball underthrown and bounce off his hands. I saw Moss get loose a couple more times and Jacobs break away a couple times too but we just weren't connecting. I think it was a timing issue more than anything. But I feel like we were running those routes all game. Thankfully with 4 minutes left we finally connected on two of them.

What killed the offense in my mind was the total lack of a run game as well as the 5 sacks and constant penalties. We would make one great play and follow it up with a false start or hold. The absolute worst was on Moss' beautiful 41 yard catch from Brunell that we promptly followed up with a delay of game. I let a string of expletives fly after that one that was pretty frightening.

But I still feel like we opened up the offense for four quarters, it just didn't do any good because we couldn't complete the passes. The difference though is in 04 we didn't even attempt the passes because those jerks were never open deep. These new guys can and will get behind a defense consistently. It seems like Brunell was at least clicking with Moss at the end, if we can show teams that we are capable of completing those passes with some regularity then things are gonna look a lot different.

[hail2skins]

You seem to be contradicting yourself. On one hand you are saying that maybe the Jets rushed him back. You also say that they haven't gotten the surgery right. Now Dr. Andrew's stock has went down. How is that the case? For all we know, it could have been Pennington himself that didn't take the proper precaution in not resting as long as he should have.

I don't see how this hurts Andrews' rep as the best in the business.There has been some discussion on the radio as to whether Pennington game himself enough time. All players will say they're fine they were saying so should the team trust them was the other discussion they had. They said you always want to hear your players saying their ready but again can you trust what they are saying. I agree with you, he is contradicting himself with that post.

[ShaggySkins]

There has been some discussion on the radio as to whether Pennington game himself enough time. All players will say they're fine they were saying so should the team trust them was the other discussion they had. They said you always want to hear your players saying their ready but again can you trust what they are saying. I agree with you, he is contradicting himself with that post.

I'm sorry but the blame has to go on the Jets and the team physicians. They should have tested Pennington out hard before ever giving him the OK to play. Of course he is going to rush back most players do its just the competitive nature. The team needs to understand how he is though and from what I heard about him the first couple of weeks is that he had really bad arm strength and velocity. This should have been a sign to the physcians and they should have shut him down for a couple of weeks to let him heal. Its really a shame because although I didn't think he was that great its really sad that his career is likely over.

[Ibleedburgundy]

You seem to be contradicting yourself. On one hand you are saying that maybe the Jets rushed him back. You also say that they haven't gotten the surgery right. Now Dr. Andrew's stock has went down. How is that the case? For all we know, it could have been Pennington himself that didn't take the proper precaution in not resting as long as he should have.

I don't see how this hurts Andrews' rep as the best in the business.


What I'm saying is I don't know what happened but in any case, the surgery can not be considered a success.

[ShaggySkins]

What I'm saying is I don't know what happened but in any case, the surgery can not be considered a success.

The surgery isn't necessarily a failure if the guy doesn't go through the proper rehab and rest period. I doubt Chad did that and unfortunately him and the Jets are paying the price.

[Ibleedburgundy]

The surgery isn't necessarily a failure if the guy doesn't go through the proper rehab and rest period. I doubt Chad did that and unfortunately him and the Jets are paying the price.

The surgeon's advice on rehabilitation would be followed precisely by the Jets (one would hope). When I had surgery, the surgeon was involved in the rehab to an extent and he had a long set of rules for the first year and we had incremental check-ups with the surgeon himself. The surgeon ultimately determines the rehab and rest period. I would imagine Andrews would plan the rehab for Pennington, only far more attentively because of the $$$ at stake.

[X-Factor13]

Abraham actually seems like a possibility for us just because of his need ot get out of new york. You never know, he could be like corey dillon and is just sick of the same surroundings. Hopefully we can add him and become the best team in the world...

Honestly i doubt we get a 1st out of this deal, because this draft could favor the jets' needs at olb and now qb. I do believe if we don't get abraham we should definately get a 2nd just because the jets so desperately need him... ONLY TO DISCOVER THAT HE IS THE SAME PATRICK RAMSEY AS THE ONE WHO STUNK UP THE PLACE IN WASHINGTON!!!!


MUAHAHAHAHAHA :lol1:

[thickskin]

The surgeon's advice on rehabilitation would be followed precisely by the Jets (one would hope). When I had surgery, the surgeon was involved in the rehab to an extent and he had a long set of rules for the first year and we had incremental check-ups with the surgeon himself. The surgeon ultimately determines the rehab and rest period. I would imagine Andrews would plan the rehab for Pennington, only far more attentively because of the $$$ at stake.

my friend saw andrews for a shoulder (of course, a student probably did his actual procedure) and he had a brief improvement--6 months or so--followed by chronic pain, essentially his original condition. apparently, it's just a tricky joint. the shoulder was shaped by 10s of millions of years to serve the function of hanging/swinging from limbs, and even the changes involved in walking upright occur mostly from the hips downward. so not surprisingly, as we're essentially misusing them, shoulders are just prone to injury.

[joethefan]

Someone in the hierarchy of the Redskins likes Ramsey and is holding the wolves at bay. I'm guessing its the coach(es) other than Gibbs.

Well remember, Snyder scouted Ramsey...before Spurrier got here.

[Redblood]

the shoulder was shaped by 10s of millions of years to serve the function of hanging/swinging from limbs.

To believe the above takes more faith than to believe in Devine design!

Evolution is an unproven theory completely contradicted by the 2nd law of Thermodynamics!

[Booser]

uh-oh...

[Ibleedburgundy]

To believe the above takes more faith than to believe in Devine design!

Evolution is an unproven theory completely contradicted by the 2nd law of Thermodynamics!


...and planet Earth is 5000 years old. Somebody needs a trip to the Smithsonian.

The point was that shoulders are very complex and difficult to operate on.

[redskifreak]

testverde signed to the jets good lord

[thickskin]

To believe the above takes more faith than to believe in Devine design!


then i guess that makes me a superstitious, faith-driven, dullard and adherent to a cowardly ideology intellectually incapable of coming to grips with reality. please pray for me next time you're jacked in to the matrix.

[superbowl06]

Are we seriously going to start debating evolution in this forum? are you kidding?

[Ohiofan]

Gotta be nuts not to take a first round pick for Ramsey. He will not re-sign with the Skins and will be gone after his contract is up. So I agree, sell when the price is high.

Although I agree that Brunell has not really put together a single complete quality game yet, Gibbs will use Brunell to the bitter end unless there is a severe injury. So we should get what we can while we can for Ramsey.

[bwparker]

Gotta be nuts not to take a first round pick for Ramsey. He will not re-sign with the Skins and will be gone after his contract is up. So I agree, sell when the price is high.

Although I agree that Brunell has not really put together a single complete quality game yet, Gibbs will use Brunell to the bitter end unless there is a severe injury. So we should get what we can while we can for Ramsey.
Has anyone (public person(analyst or reporter)...i.e. NOT a board member) said that we could get anything resembling a 1st rounder for Ramsey?

[bosshog001]

Has anyone (public person(analyst or reporter)...i.e. NOT a board member) said that we could get anything resembling a 1st rounder for Ramsey?

Yes the same folks who are predicting that we will go 10-6?

[HanburgerBum]

The Jets HONESTLY have the makeup to win a couple of games (NO, Buf twice) but I have NO confidence in ARIZONA, Bills, Texans or the 49ers undercutting the Jets for the #1 pick. Then that would leave them without Ramsey and without Leinart.... or worse, they would have to give up MORE for either one of them. The Leinart sweepstakes is going to gain more interest and maybe more compensation than the SD-NYG trade.

And what about the worst case scenario, Leinart gets hurt... Ramsey's value will increase EXPONENTIALLY cause he would then be the best option out there.

I'm not staking my life on this or anything... but realistically, I think the Jets will give their #1 up, hoping to salvage the season with Ramsey and make it a teens 1st.


If you think it is realistic that the Jets would give up a No. 1 for Ramsey, you should share whatever you have been smoking. The No. 1 for Ramsey was the Miami boat last year that has already sailed. The people that man the front office of other teams get paid too. They aren't idiots. This is the communications age, everybody knows what's going on in every other city.

You think the Jets don't know that Ramsey has been stinking up the place with turnovers? That Gibbs benched him three series into the season? That some people consider him now to be 3rd string on the depth chart?

If the Skins don't deal Ramsey now when the Jets may be desperate, they would be lucky to get a 5th rounder for him in the offseason.

[HanburgerBum]

If we trade Ramsey and Brunell goes down, our season is done. Campbell is not ready.


Just exactly what has Ramsey done in the recent past that makes you think the season would not be done if Patrick takes over the reins again? He is slow to read the defenses, stares at his primary target, can't get away from a pass rush, throws a ton of interceptions, and fumbles every other time that he gets hit.

Even as a rookie, would Campbell be any worse? I doubt it. John Riggins said on WTEM that he thinks Campbell should be ahead of Ramsey now on the depth chart, and more importantly John said that most players on the team think that.

[bnicely]

Just exactly what has Ramsey done in the recent past that makes you think the season would not be done if Patrick takes over the reins again? He is slow to read the defenses, stares at his primary target, can't get away from a pass rush, throws a ton of interceptions, and fumbles every other time that he gets hit.

Even as a rookie, would Campbell be any worse? I doubt it. John Riggins said on WTEM that he thinks Campbell should be ahead of Ramsey now on the depth chart, and more importantly John said that most players on the team think that.

Agreed Bum........if Campbell has to be counted on this season for anything at all other than mop duty we are in big trouble. Campbells going to be a 2-3 year project

[bnicely]

my friend saw andrews for a shoulder (of course, a student probably did his actual procedure) and he had a brief improvement--6 months or so--followed by chronic pain, essentially his original condition. apparently, it's just a tricky joint. the shoulder was shaped by 10s of millions of years to serve the function of hanging/swinging from limbs, and even the changes involved in walking upright occur mostly from the hips downward. so not surprisingly, as we're essentially misusing them, shoulders are just prone to injury.

What if human and chimp DNA was even 96% homologous? What would that mean? Would it mean that humans could have 'evolved' from a common ancestor with chimps? Not at all! The amount of information in the 3 billion base pairs in the DNA in every human cell has been estimated to be equivalent to that in 1,000 books of encyclopaedia size [6]. If humans were 'only' 4% different this still amounts to 120 million base pairs, equivalent to approximately 12 million words, or 40 large books of information. This is surely an impossible barrier for mutations (random changes) to cross [7].

How is this for your intellectual interpretation. I just wanted to drop that in......I won't mention another word on this forum about this subject

[hail2skins]

Yeah folks, this thread isn't about evolution. Let's stay on topic here. Take the evolution discussion to the Apache.

[BigPlayJay]

We need Ramsey! Brunell will miss a game or two (or possibly worse). Ramsey is an NFL backup and thats what we need him to be right now.

I really doubt he's ever going to get much of a chance to be a starter again anyways. He lacks too many of the necessary skills to be a # 1. There have been qb's with alot more talent, picked much higher that wound up with fewer games than Ram has had. I think many of us have been enamored with him because of the bullets he throws and the shots he's taken in the pocket. It turns out though, those things highlight his weakness. Both coaches he has had repeatedly said he need to learn touch. And he was still holding the ball too long right up till his final play this year.

That said, I think he will play again for us this year, and he will probably play well at times, I hope!

[GWBlitzST]

Personally I feel like this offseason the Saints and Raiders are going to be looking for a new QB. Oh wait, the Saints drafted that guy from FSU that got kicked to the Arena League. How'd that work out? I think Ramsey would be fine with either of those teams, esp. the Saints, as he has connects down in LA.

[bwparker]

Yes the same folks who are predicting that we will go 10-6?
Can you give me some one specific. All I've heard is that we will be lucky to get a 4th rounder for him. And that ain't worth it.

[IVSkinsFan]

Aftet we win by at least 10 and the jets fall by a couple of touchdowns this weekend, we'll get a second. The deal will be announced monday or tuesday.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Personally I feel like this offseason the Saints and Raiders are going to be looking for a new QB. Oh wait, the Saints drafted that guy from FSU that got kicked to the Arena League. How'd that work out? I think Ramsey would be fine with either of those teams, esp. the Saints, as he has connects down in LA.


LMAO they had all these huge feature articles about how good Adrian McPhearson is and he stunk up the place at FSU. Trust me, I was there. He's not that fast, at least not on the football field he does not have a gun for an arm (again, I don't care if he can throw 80yards, it never came out at FSU) and he's not accurate. "AD" is a bum. Good in highschool and that's about it.
Oh yeah, and his most defining trait is he's a complete idiot who you can't trust.

[thickskin]

What if human and chimp DNA was even 96% homologous? What would that mean? Would it mean that humans could have 'evolved' from a common ancestor with chimps? Not at all! The amount of information in the 3 billion base pairs in the DNA in every human cell has been estimated to be equivalent to that in 1,000 books of encyclopaedia size [6]. If humans were 'only' 4% different this still amounts to 120 million base pairs, equivalent to approximately 12 million words, or 40 large books of information. This is surely an impossible barrier for mutations (random changes) to cross [7].

How is this for your intellectual interpretation. I just wanted to drop that in......I won't mention another word on this forum about this subject

start a thread and i'll explain it.

[thickskin]

We need Ramsey! Brunell will miss a game or two (or possibly worse). Ramsey is an NFL backup and thats what we need him to be right now.

I really doubt he's ever going to get much of a chance to be a starter again anyways. He lacks too many of the necessary skills to be a # 1. There have been qb's with alot more talent, picked much higher that wound up with fewer games than Ram has had. I think many of us have been enamored with him because of the bullets he throws and the shots he's taken in the pocket. It turns out though, those things highlight his weakness. Both coaches he has had repeatedly said he need to learn touch. And he was still holding the ball too long right up till his final play this year.

That said, I think he will play again for us this year, and he will probably play well at times, I hope!

agreed. he doesn't deserve to start, but his inconsistent play is preferable to jc's uncertain play. not to mention his experience in the system.

[smoak]

Yeah folks, this thread isn't about evolution. Let's stay on topic here. Take the evolution discussion to the Apache.

Have you seen the slope of Ramsey's forehead?

:Peace:

[colkurtz]

Folks, we are 2-0 and realistically could be in the running for a wildcard spot.
We need Ramsey as the backup, in case Brunell goes down. Ramsey is a dropoff from Brunell but not that far off.

Mid-season trades are extremely rare, a virtual 'missing link' so to speak. We are trying to get to the playoffs now and will trade Patrick in the off season. His value is as a backup QB and he will bring the team an equivalent level - 3rd or fourth rounder.

Anyone who thinks we can get a first rounder for Ramsey needs to have his brain cavity carbon dated.

[superbowl06]

We don't need a good backup, we need somebody who is a seatwarmer. If we start rolling and Brunell goes down, we just want somebody to step in and not make mistakes until JC is ready. I think Testaverde and Doug Johnson could do that just fine. And if we can get a 2nd rounder from the desperate Jets, we ought to take it. If we can get a 3rd or 4th, let's hold on and probably get just as much in the offseason.

[BIGSEF3]

Anyone who thinks we can get a first rounder for Ramsey needs to have his brain cavity carbon dated.

Hahaha! I just got done with another thread where this guy is arguing that we should go with Ramsey, and this after Brunell gave us the biggest win we've had in years. I think theres alot of carbon dating that could be done around here. ;-)