Talk about your flip-floppers

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How can you top this one? (http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showpost.php?p=571006&postcount=3)

[CNYSkinFan]

Someone has promised Weld something. An ambassodrship or something. Why in hell would he agree to get in front of the SPitzer machine. I am in NY and I can tell you this is a done deal. We want change and are a Democratic state. If the Dems would have gotten out of their own way the last election Pataki would be done now. The real race is the ag spot Elliot is leaving. There are about 3000 candidates on both sides right now and I suspect dueling primaries which means we won't know the matchup until sep 2006.

[BurgundyNGold]

Clearly, the man has no soul.

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If I were a Yankee fan, I would not vote for him b/c it shows he is a spineless gutless slimeball. I'd rather vote for a dallass fan than dallass fan pretendign to love the Redskins.

[BurgundyNGold]

If I were a Yankee fan, I would not vote for him b/c it shows he is a spineless gutless slimeball. I'd rather vote for a dallass fan than dallass fan pretendign to love the Redskins.
We're talking about New Yorkers here. They voted for an obvious carpet bagger who took up residence in NY just before the election for the explicit purpose running as Senator for that state. Twice! RFK and Hillary. Too many NY voters clearly have no sense of honor.

In fact, I'm willing to advance my unsubstantiated Paintedbird conspiracy of the day: This is an elaborate social study to see exactly how far you can push the voting public in NY before they snap. Is there some line that you cannot cross for NY voters when running for office? My money says there is; it's the Connecticut sate line.

[Spence]

I like the fact that New Yorkers are not enslaved by parochialism. They vote for whomever they believe will best represent their interests, not just the boy or girl who grew up closest to their house. More of America should be like that.

Anyway, Weld should have stuck to his guns on the Sox. He's not going to win any votes in the NYC area anyway, so why bother trying to appeal to Yankee territory? There are actually Red Sox fans in upstate New York, many or most of whom live in Republican-leaning areas of the state. Combine them with other New York voters who just don't like the Yankees and that is his voting base; they comprise the 35% of the New York vote he will get if he runs against Spitzer. He's going to lose anyway so why not lose with a bit of honor and guts?

NOTE: Yesterday's poll puts Spitzer 30 points ahead of Weld.

[BurgundyNGold]

I like the fact that New Yorkers are not enslaved by parochialism. They vote for whomever they believe will best represent their interests, not just the boy or girl who grew up closest to their house. More of America should be like that.

Anyway, Weld should have stuck to his guns on the Sox. He's not going to win any votes in the NYC area anyway, so why bother trying to appeal to Yankee territory? There are actually Red Sox fans in upstate New York, many or most of whom live in Republican-leaning areas of the state. Those are his voters; they comprise the 35% of the New York vote he will get if he runs against Spitzer. He's going to lose anyway so why not lose with a bit of honor and guts?

NOTE: Yesterday's poll puts Spitzer 30 points ahead of Weld.
Guts, yes. Honor, no.

Call me old fashioned, but I don't like carpet baggers. The person who just shows up, pretends to care about your issues and runs for office isn't doing it for NY. They're doing it for themselves. I mean, to one extent of another all politics is about ego, but such a maneuver is an obvious and blatant case of serving ones own interests and ambitions. I prefer that behavior such as this not only be discouraged, but disallowed.

[RedskinsDave]

I like the fact that New Yorkers are not enslaved by parochialism. They vote for whomever they believe will best represent their interests, not just the boy or girl who grew up closest to their house. More of America should be like that.

There's no way you actually believe that.

Weld picked a battle far worse than changing parties. No fan on either side will buy this. He's not exactly another Hillary though as he is from NY.

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I would never change who I am... or even the perception of who I am to beg for a few votes. Campaigning is one thing, but I am not a phony and would succeed as a politician as I would not compromise my values/beliefs for the public or special interest groups.

[Spence]

There's no way you actually believe that.Of course I believe it. This a political discussion board, not an office party where the goal is to suck up to the boss. I write what I think.

[BurgundyNGold]

I would never change who I am... or even the perception of who I am to beg for a few votes. Campaigning is one thing, but I am not a phony and would succeed as a politician as I would not compromise my values/beliefs for the public or special interest groups.
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[Spence]

Guts, yes. Honor, no.

Call me old fashioned, but I don't like carpet baggers. The person who just shows up, pretends to care about your issues and runs for office isn't doing it for NY. They're doing it for themselves. I mean, to one extent of another all politics is about ego, but such a maneuver is an obvious and blatant case of serving ones own interests and ambitions. I prefer that behavior such as this not only be discouraged, but disallowed.I don't know if you're old fashioned because hatred for "carpet baggers" still seems to be pretty strong in some parts of the country, maybe most of it. But a newcomer to a state does not necessarily "pretend to care about your issues." Maybe they actually care about your issues. Off the top of your head, do you know who RFK ran against in New York. I sure don't. I find it hard to believe, however, that he was worthier of office than one of the great moral voices of the mid-to-late 1960s. Do you honestly think New York should have voted against RFK just because he was a newcomer to the state? They voted for the man they believed would best represent their concerns, not the man whose accent most closely matched their own. I applaud it.

In the case of Hillary Clinton, there is a good reason the GOP had to turn to Janet Pirro, a D-list candidate who has already admitted she can't raise money even though she's running against a woman Republicans all over the country despise and project their worst fears upon. Senator Clinton is a tireless workaholic. She regularly shows up at town fairs in places like Watertown and Batavia, to shake hands and chat to her constituents. I'm not a big fan of milk price supports, but the dairy farmers of New York, who mostly voted against her in 2000, love the price supports, so Senator Clinton fights her tail off for them every year. If she's just pretending to care about these issues then she's doing a damn good job of faking it. So good, in fact, that it makes no difference whether she's faking it or not -- the results are there.

[RedskinsDave]

Of course I believe it. This a political discussion board, not an office party where the goal is to suck up to the boss. I write what I think.

We may want to pass that on to some of your pets.

Anyways, regardless of who it is, I think just picking some state and running for office there should not be allowed no matter how dumb the electorate may be. It's kind of sad that you can run for office without establishing residency yet you can't vote for yourself.

[Spence]

Weld picked a battle far worse than changing parties. No fan on either side will buy this. He's not exactly another Hillary though as he is from NY.Dave, there is another, bigger, difference between Hillary Clinton and Bill Weld. When Bill Weld is going down to a crushing defeat on election night '06, Hillary Clinton will be celebrating her easy re-election.

[Spence]

We may want to pass that on to some of your pets.You lost me here. I'm sure whatever your point was, though, it was charitable and friendly.

Anyways, regardless of who it is, I think just picking some state and running for office there should not be allowed no matter how dumb the electorate may be. It's kind of sad that you can run for office without establishing residency yet you can't vote for yourself.You're free to believe that it shouldn't be allowed. It is, however, at least in some places.

[CNYSkinFan]

Well really, us New Yorkers really don't care what those outside of NY think about how we should run our state. Actually we really don't care too much about what those outside of NY think about anything. We seem to be doing just fine thank you very much.

But BnG don't you think RFk and HIllary are notable exceptions and not just carpet baggers. One a former atty general and the other a former first lady. It is not like Alan Keyes for christs sake. Plus their accomplishments as Senator far outweigh the whole carpet bagging claims. Really would Rick Lazio get more done then Hillary has for the last 6 years? I doubt that very much.

NYers judge a person as a whole and while we don't like carpetbagging, when they are the best candidate we will accept them. Afterall NYS was the gateway for immigrants from all lands to America for so long why not accept immigrants from the other states as well.

Weld is not going to get killed because he is a carpet bagger (although by putting up Weld the GOP is painting themselves into a corner on that issue). He is going to get killed because next year is not an election, it is a coronation for Spitzer. Unless he is found with a live boy or a dead girl the game is over.

[RedskinsDave]

Unless he is found with a live boy or a dead girl the game is over.

Then he can run in Massachusetts.

[Spence]

Really would Rick Lazio get more done then Hillary has for the last 6 years? I doubt that very much.That's my point. Lazio was an empty suit, a Long Island pretty boy the party turned to at the last minute out of desperation after Rudy Giuliani's tawdry personal life* forced him to pull out of the race. Not only are Hillary Clinton's political views closer to most New Yorker's than Rick Lazio, she's also a more effective Senator.

* Yeah, we all know about the cancer, but the real reason Rudy dropped out was the public reaction to the shabby way kept publicly humiliating his wife.

[Spence]

Then he can run in Massachusetts.He, that is, Weld, did. They elected him twice. And when President Clinton tried to name him Ambassador to Mexico, Senator Jesse Helms put the kibosh on the whole thing because he objected to Weld's views on marijuana decriminalization.

Considering the money he's made and the fun he's had torturing Wall Street investment bankers, I don't think Mr Spitzer would settle for anything less than America's third-largest state.

[CNYSkinFan]

Then he can run in Massachusetts.

Now that would be ironic.

[BurgundyNGold]

I don't know if you're old fashioned because hatred for "carpet baggers" still seems to be pretty strong in some parts of the country, maybe most of it. But a newcomer to a state does not necessarily "pretend to care about your issues." Maybe they actually care about your issues.
Yes, that's it. That's precisely why Hillary ran in NY. Keep telling yourself that when she's caring about NY values during her presidential bid. I'm sorry, but I just don't think that a Johnny-come-lately who sees a political opportunity and grabs it can be seen as anything other than disingenuous. I also don't agree with the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" philosphy that seems to have you looking the other way to such an obvious scallawaggery (cousin to Akh's favorite term).

Personally, I think that the reason to run for office is to make YOUR commuity a better place. She could've done that in Arkansas. Lord knows they need the help. Why didn't she? Because it wasn't politically beneficial for her and the Dems that she run in NY. Too bad that New Yorkers didn't have enough pride in their own communities to send her packing.

Off the top of your head, do you know who RFK ran against in New York. I sure don't. I find it hard to believe, however, that he was worthier of office than one of the great moral voices of the mid-to-late 1960s. Do you honestly think New York should have voted against RFK just because he was a newcomer to the state? They voted for the man they believed would best represent their concerns, not the man whose accent most closely matched their own. I applaud it.
As you echoed one of RFK's counterpoints to being a carpetbagger from one of his debates, I'm sure that you are well aware of the name of senator RFK dethroned. We don't have to talk about RFK. NY has a long history of picking the prettier pony. An out of town Dem running for a senatorial seat in NY is like a taking candy from a mentally challenged child. RFK, Buckley, Hillary... it doesn't matter to them and it's a shame.

At least Schumer is home grown.

In the case of Hillary Clinton, there is a good reason the GOP had to turn to Janet Pirro, a D-list candidate who has already admitted she can't raise money even though she's running against a woman Republicans all over the country despise and project their worst fears upon. Senator Clinton is a tireless workaholic. She regularly shows up at town fairs in places like Watertown and Batavia, to shake hands and chat to her constituents. I'm not a big fan of milk price supports, but the dairy farmers of New York, who mostly voted against her in 2000, love the price supports, so Senator Clinton fights her tail off for them every year. If she's just pretending to care about these issues then she's doing a damn good job of faking it. So good, in fact, that it makes no difference whether she's faking it or not -- the results are there.
Stop kidding yourself. So what, she's a politician. Great. That'll come in handy in 2008 when she "cares" so much about NY that she attempts to bolt back to DC as the POTUS. I'm sure that NY will be beaming with pride that "one of their own" is making a run at the White House. The way you're talking, I doubt that you really care about that either. Then again, party lines run pretty deep so I should probably expect that.

The sad thing is, I wouldn't have a problem with her running for the presidency. After all, it's not like she's Vincente Fox who just hopped the Rio Grande to take a shot at the White House. Or maybe I should applaud that?

[akhhorus]

Unless he is found with a live boy or a dead girl the game is over.

Edwin Edwards is sueing to get his line back from you.

[CNYSkinFan]

Edwin Edwards is sueing to get his line back from you.

it's in the public domain baby!!!!

[BurgundyNGold]

Well really, us New Yorkers really don't care what those outside of NY think about how we should run our state. Actually we really don't care too much about what those outside of NY think about anything. We seem to be doing just fine thank you very much.
Glad to hear it. We'll see how the 100 year city is doing in a few more decades.

But BnG don't you think RFk and HIllary are notable exceptions and not just carpet baggers. One a former atty general and the other a former first lady. It is not like Alan Keyes for christs sake. Plus their accomplishments as Senator far outweigh the whole carpet bagging claims. Really would Rick Lazio get more done then Hillary has for the last 6 years? I doubt that very much.
What about James Buckley? He wasn't exactly a high profile show pony. It doesn't matter; as you said, NY do want they want and there is no law against what any of these people did. BTW, I don't dispute the people who chose to run for office as much as I am insulted by the circumstances surrounding their elections. To me, you shouldn't be able to just pitch a tent and run for election. Otherwise, we're all about 20 years from bi-annual disaspora of buffoons from Hollywood just waiting to run for local office - whereever home happens to be that week. In case you're wondering, that would be bad.

NYers judge a person as a whole and while we don't like carpetbagging, when they are the best candidate we will accept them. Afterall NYS was the gateway for immigrants from all lands to America for so long why not accept immigrants from the other states as well.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Yeah, I got it. Sadly, we'd probably do the same thing in MD. Stalin could run as a Dem here and he'd win with 63%.

Weld is not going to get killed because he is a carpet bagger (although by putting up Weld the GOP is painting themselves into a corner on that issue). He is going to get killed because next year is not an election, it is a coronation for Spitzer. Unless he is found with a live boy or a dead girl the game is over.
The Reps are as stupid as they are crooked. The trick about trotting out a show pony is that you have to be able to tell if the pony is coming or going. Weld looks the same from both sides. Not exactly a "show" pony, unless that show is hosted by Joe Rogan.

Just for the record, I think that a person should be a legal resident in a state for at least 5 years before they run for office in a state. This tips the scales back to the locals and reduces carpetbagging. While Hillary may not be like this, the current system is just a magnet for corruption. I mean, all the special interests have to do is get a pretty or popular face and half the battle is won.

If a person has to live in a state for 5 years before running for office, at least that person get 5 years of watching local news to get an idea what the issues are. How could you possibly know them, let alone care about them in 6 months or a year? If the candidate really want the office for the right reasons, then they'll put in the time beforehand.

[akhhorus]

it's in the public domain baby!!!!

And he's in prison anyways baby!!!!

[RedskinsDave]

And he's in prison anyways baby!!!!

So he can run but not vote too!!

[akhhorus]

So he can run but not vote too!!

Earl Long actually won the Louisana Governship while spending most of the campaign in a mental institution.