Not much respect from the Orange Mane..

[RoanokeSkin]

The guys over at the Broncos message board (www.orangemane.com) seem to think they are totally going to shut our offense down and that they are going to walk all over our D.

I have been chatting it up with them, not talking smack as much as getting opinions on the game. Some of them are very realistic, some are extreme homers, much like you would expect from any board. It is some fun reading, if you guys want to take a look.

(P.S. - they pretty much hate extremeskins.com, because those guys just seem to think we are going to kill Denver)

[dj_stouty]

Orangemane has some decent guys/gals over there...but there are a few that have delusions of grandure.

They have extra incentive to beat the Skins this week....since they own our 1st rounder in next year's draft and they want us to lose as many games as possible.

I think any "realistic" fan of either team should be cautious of this game...

[Love the Truth]

(P.S. - they pretty much hate extremeskins.com, because those guys just seem to think we are going to kill Denver)

Well the Redskins have not "killed" anyone yet so I am definitely not saying the Redskins will kill Denver. But the Redskins are playing harder teams as we go along, and playing better as we go along. So I like what Gibbs is doing. He has the team believing.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Our schedule was pretty sweet in that it warmed us up slowly. And we have risen to the occasion in each of the first three weeks. Each opponent tougher than the previous, each defense better than the last. Our schedule has built us up to this game and this will the toughest yet. Denver is a good team. This will be a good game.

[RedskinsDave]

I like the guy who said the NFCLeast and the AFCbest. Tell me which division is 4-1 against the other.....

[Spence]

OrangeMane seems okay to me. They're over-reacting to a bunch of silly posts at extremeskins.com, but that's not terribly surprising. If you judge all Redskins fans by what you see at that website, of course you're going to come away with a negative opinion. If they spent more time here they'd get a better idea of what Redskins fans are really like: informed, passionate, relatively fair-minded.

[chrisbcbu]

Look at these comments from Rod Smith. This should be a fun game for portis

Source (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_3082298)
Jacksonville, Fla. - Hey, Clinton Portis. A word of warning. When you return to Colorado for a homecoming football game, leave those fancy pink shoes of yours in the closet.

'Cause the Broncos don't dance.

They stomp.

"If I catch Portis over by the sideline, I'm going to knock him out," said Denver receiver Rod Smith, feeling feisty after the Broncos pounded Jacksonville 20-7 on Sunday.

He merely said it jokingly but i still thought it was funny, since portis had called him when he was out of the game with a concussion the last week.

"I might have to tackle Portis. He called me and dogged me about getting knocked out last week against Kansas City," said Smith, who left the Chiefs game dizzy from a concussion. "When I got home from the game, the first message on my answering machine was from Portis. He was dogging me out about getting knocked out. But I'm going to knock him out."

I think if Portis and Rod matched up, Portis would run him over! :lol1:

[IowaSkinsFan]

Last year we had an Orange Mane member posting here after the Portis-Bailey trade, I think he went by the username of Spider....there was one other also, but I don't think he visited as often as Spider. But at any rate, both of those visitors were good posters and are welcomed back here at any time. I would expect to see one, or both, in here sometime before the game on Sunday.

These teams are close enough that I expect fans from both side expect their teams to win on Sunday, as it should be.

[akhhorus]

Last year we had an Orange Mane member posting here after the Portis-Bailey trade, I think he went by the username of Spider....there was one other also, but I don't think he visited as often as Spider. But at any rate, both of those visitors were good posters and are welcomed back here at any time. I would expect to see one, or both, in here sometime before the game on Sunday.

These teams are close enough that I expect fans from both side expect their teams to win on Sunday, as it should be.

I posted over ther during the Portis-Bailey trade and they were nice and calm fans. They're entitled to their opinion.

[BIGSEF3]

Orangemane has some decent guys/gals over there...but there are a few that have delusions of grandure.

They have extra incentive to beat the Skins this week....since they own our 1st rounder in next year's draft and they want us to lose as many games as possible.

I think any "realistic" fan of either team should be cautious of this game...

can you honestly blame them? denver is coming off two SOLID games. If we had played that well in either of our two games, I think we would be thinking we're unstoppable too.

[redskinz#1fan]

This was something that one of their members posted. My response follows after his.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlecRaenos
I fully expect Denver to attack that D up the gut in the beginning with the occasional edge runs. Plummer will bootleg some, but mostly just throw short, dump off passes to keep your Defense worried.

Jax thoght they would stop our run game but gashed for 188 yards. Having Anderson and Bell, two differnet backs with different assets makes it harder to contain the run attack.


First of all hello everyone and I wish ya'll the best in your upcoming game against my skins. There is no way that ya'll will attack us up the gut. The edge is the best place to attack us, and were even tight there. You said that Jax thought they would stop ya'll up the gut but you gained 188 yards. Well "NEWS FLASH", we ain't Jax! We are a team that hasn't had a 100 yard rusher against us in the last 8 games. We have some very good/fast linebackers, that will attack the short passes. Plus you mention that you have 2 different styles of RB's that will make it harder to contain your running game. Well we have the same thing! Of course we have you know who? Mr. Portis! Then we have Ladell Betts that can be a starter for any team in this league and probably will be in the next year or so. So please don't think that you are the only team with this asset.

May the best team win!

By the way to all the doubters, 3-0 is still 3-0! PERIOD!

[RoanokeSkin]

I see that we have taken the fight to them....lol. Nice job Spence, DJ and Co.

[hail2skins]

can you honestly blame them? denver is coming off two SOLID games. If we had played that well in either of our two games, I think we would be thinking we're unstoppable too.That's it, I'm officially calling for a vote on your allegiance.

[Redskinfan28]

That's it, I'm officially calling for a vote on your allegiance.

Do you honestly think any Denver fan would think they would lose to the Redskins at home this weekend? Noone other than Redskin fans think we have a chance in Denver this weekend.

[skins74]

It will be a close hard fought game with the Redskins winning by a FG. Champ will get burned by Moss. Cooley will step on Champ's helmet after he runs him over and Clinton will stiff arm Champ into the turf.

[BurgundyNGold]

Do you honestly think any Denver fan would think they would lose to the Redskins at home this weekend? Noone other than Redskin fans think we have a chance in Denver this weekend.
I think his point is that BIGSEF is supposed to be a Redskin fan. Yet, he can't stop S-ing the D of other team's while not giving his 3-0 team their props on Monday after a solid performance against a playoff team from a year ago.

At least wait until Wednesday before starting up on how great other teams are BIGSEF.

[bfauble83]

It will be a close hard fought game with the Redskins winning by a FG. Champ will get burned by Moss. Cooley will step on Champ's helmet after he runs him over and Clinton will stiff arm Champ into the turf.

Sound like Roland is going to have a busy day.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

ive been a lurker over there since the trade last year and most are homers as most fans are and some are more realistic. they normal dont attack unless they are provoked.....

[BurgundyNGold]

ive been a lurker over there since the trade last year and most are homers as most fans are and some are more realistic. they normal dont attack unless they are provoked.....
So, they're like... squirrels?

[IMALILTEAPOT]

they are having a war over there. i see spence, dj and redskindave backin our team. we should all go over there and attack! :)

[The Skinsinator]

They can talk all they want and dowplay our victories. But, we are still 3-0. Beating them or even playing playing them close will garner more respect throughout the league. We can't let their fans get to us. Atmospheres like this and Dallas are why I'm very happy that Brunell is our starter and not Ramsey. Sunday's atmosphere will be hostile. This game will come down to turnovers, coaching, and gameplans.

[LATrueRedskin]

Beating Denver in Denver will be a very tough task, but I think we match up well against them like we did with the Seahawks. If we can stop their run, we'll have a very good chance of beating them. I'll take our defense every game to put us in the position to win.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

So, they're like... squirrels?
exactly! lol.....see BNG, you always have the answers! :)

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

they are having a war over there. i see spence, dj and redskindave backin our team. we should all go over there and attack! :)
they got me all riled up! i about to register over there now.....

[BurgundyNGold]

That site is freaking me out. It's like the bizarro HR. I'm going to go over and check out their political forum to see if there is a conservative Spence.

BTW, the colors on that site are burning my retina. I can only visit for short periods before I'm forced to look away from the screen.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

they got me all riled up! i about to register over there now.....
i would do it, but the lazyness is just too strong

[rbackfactory80]

The guys over at the Broncos message board (www.orangemane.com) seem to think they are totally going to shut our offense down and that they are going to walk all over our D.

I have been chatting it up with them, not talking smack as much as getting opinions on the game. Some of them are very realistic, some are extreme homers, much like you would expect from any board. It is some fun reading, if you guys want to take a look.

(P.S. - they pretty much hate extremeskins.com, because those guys just seem to think we are going to kill Denver)


Hey skins fans,

This will be a tougher game then most Broncos fans would give you credit for. I living on the east coast and watching the Skins play realize your D is no joke at all. You guys are 3-0 and you record alone states that this is a game that Denver will not sleep on. As far as our D vs your O well that I think will be the matchup of the game. As good as your D is, we are playing at home so you have to expect us to put some points up on you. Not being a homer but your offense will not have an easy time putting up ten points on the board. The best way for you to come out with a victory is to weather the storm which is the first half. If you keep in this game till the fourth Quarter you might have a chance to pull away a late victory. That being said I predict a 20-10 victory for Denver.

[hail2skins]

I fixed your response for you rback, the quote didn't come through correctly.

[GibbsRules!]

That site is freaking me out. It's like the bizarro HR. I'm going to go over and check out their political forum to see if there is a conservative Spence.
BTW, the colors on that site are burning my retina. I can only visit for short periods before I'm forced to look away from the screen.:lol1:

[hail2skins]

I think his point is that BIGSEF is supposed to be a Redskin fan. Yet, he can't stop S-ing the D of other team's while not giving his 3-0 team their props on Monday after a solid performance against a playoff team from a year ago.

At least wait until Wednesday before starting up on how great other teams are BIGSEF.Duh :doh:

So does that mean he thinks BIGSEF is a Denver fan. :D

[rbackfactory80]

I fixed your response for you rback, the quote didn't come through correctly.


thanks

[hail2skins]

That thread over there is funny as heck. There more upset with the comments from ES. It's a lot of back and forth, some good and some bad. The guy with the F word comment is ridiculous. That was a "waving of the white flag from him" to me and dropping the f-bomb wasn't warranted.

[rbackfactory80]

That thread over there is funny as heck. There more upset with the comments from ES. It's a lot of back and forth, some good and some bad. The guy with the F word comment is ridiculous. That was a "waving of the white flag from him" to me and dropping the f-bomb wasn't warranted.

On the Omane there is a link to extremeskins so I went over their just to gain their perspective on the game. All they talked about was picking us apart and blowing us out. One of your members refered me to this site and said I would find more knowledgeable fans with less homeristic takes. He basically called extremeskins a joke, which by reading this boards posters seems more accurate.

[RedskinsDave]

That thread over there is funny as heck. There more upset with the comments from ES. It's a lot of back and forth, some good and some bad. The guy with the F word comment is ridiculous. That was a "waving of the white flag from him" to me and dropping the f-bomb wasn't warranted.

Are you Roanoke?

[IMALILTEAPOT]

On the Omane there is a link to extremeskins so I went over their just to gain their perspective on the game. All they talked about was picking us apart and blowing us out. One of your members refered me to this site and said I would find more knowledgeable fans with less homeristic takes. He basically called extremeskins a joke, which by reading this boards posters seems more accurate.

yea if u want a quality convo, u should stay here. ES is just flashy, they dont have a lot of smart realistic fans there. thats why when i hear other teams say skins fans are crazy, i get mad because its just beacuse of a couple of fans. as a whole, we are some of the most knowledgeable fans out there

[BurgundyNGold]

That thread over there is funny as heck. There more upset with the comments from ES. It's a lot of back and forth, some good and some bad. The guy with the F word comment is ridiculous. That was a "waving of the white flag from him" to me and dropping the f-bomb wasn't warranted.
Tell me about it. Too bad for them that they caught Spence on a day when he has less than a full workload, lol.

[RoanokeSkin]

Are you Roanoke?


Am I what? I was just talking football with those guys, not dropping any f-bombs or anything. I was actually just asking how those guys thought they would attack our defense, but some of them got hasty. Then I saw that Spence, Dj and crew came in with back up.

[Biggie]

AlecRaenos, or whatshisface at Orange Mane comes off as a complete jerk to me. He acts like the Broncos are the friggin Patriots, and won't concede a single point to the Redskins fans over there. He almost reminds me of Councilman, except not as annoying.

[RedskinsDave]

Am I what? I was just talking football with those guys, not dropping any f-bombs or anything. I was actually just asking how those guys thought they would attack our defense, but some of them got hasty. Then I saw that Spence, Dj and crew came in with back up.

No, I was trying to figure out who hail2 was over there because I didn't see his posts.

[TheDave]

AlecRaenos, or whatshisface at Orange Mane comes off as a complete jerk to me. He acts like the Broncos are the friggin Patriots, and won't concede a single point to the Redskins fans over there. He almost reminds me of Councilman, except not as annoying.

That's just Alec... actually you guys got him in a good mood... You should see when he is pissed

[X-Factor13]

i'm watching the game with a broncos fan so i sure hope we win! That being said i don't really have a problem with denver fans, they are pretty reasonable.

[Skinz4lyfe]

That's it. I'm signing up!

[hail2skins]

Are you Roanoke?No, I'm not.

[hail2skins]

Am I what? I was just talking football with those guys, not dropping any f-bombs or anything. I was actually just asking how those guys thought they would attack our defense, but some of them got hasty. Then I saw that Spence, Dj and crew came in with back up.That wasn't about you. It was one of their members who did it.

[hail2skins]

No, I was trying to figure out who hail2 was over there because I didn't see his posts.I just read it, I didn't post.

[chrisbcbu]

On the Omane there is a link to extremeskins so I went over their just to gain their perspective on the game. All they talked about was picking us apart and blowing us out. One of your members refered me to this site and said I would find more knowledgeable fans with less homeristic takes. He basically called extremeskins a joke, which by reading this boards posters seems more accurate.

Over here, we dont think its going to be a cake walk like Extremeskins believe this game is. We think it will be tough for the Skins to win over at Invesco field merely for the fact of the high altitude and the thin air, and add that with the crowd noise then that = home field advantage.

BTW is Bailey going to play for this game? Or is he still injured?

[Skinz4lyfe]

Their site is pretty interesting. Many people over there are comparing us to Jacksonville but IMO that's a huge mistake. Our secondary is better and our offense is better. I bet the coaching staff doesn't feel that way. Anyway, I'm tryin' to educate them over their and get some respect. But I'd be willing to say about 60% of them respect us because of our D and no they are not gonna win w/o a fight.

[tommahawk]

They are giving our O-line no credit.
Thinking their D-line will just blow through them like creampuffs.
I think the Dirtbags need to post this stuff in the locker room.

[Skinz4lyfe]

They are giving our O-line no credit.
Thinking their D-line will just blow through them like creampuffs.
I think the Dirtbags need to post this stuff in the locker room.

I totally agree w/you. That is where the game lies IMO. If we control their D-line we'll be alright. If not, it will be an uphill battle.

[BurgundyNGold]

Their site is pretty interesting. Many people over there are comparing us to Jacksonville but IMO that's a huge mistake. Our secondary is better and our offense is better. I bet the coaching staff doesn't feel that way. Anyway, I'm tryin' to educate them over their and get some respect. But I'd be willing to say about 60% of them respect us because of our D and no they are not gonna win w/o a fight.
I don't know that our offense is better. I'd rather have Jimmy Smith [today] than any of our WRs. I'd rather have Byron Leftwich than any of our QBs. Their OL isn't bad and Fred Taylor -- when healthy -- is a very good RB.

[RedskinsDave]

After some comments towards Spence I have chosen to stop playing nice over there. It did no good anyways. Trying to talk football still got mostly juvenile responses.

[Spence]

After some comments towards Spence I have chosen to stop playing nice over there. It did no good anyways. Trying to talk football still got mostly juvenile responses.It is almost literally impossible to have a civil conversation over there unless you are convinced the Broncos are going to win every game in a blowout. I like Denver and I like Colorado. I can't believe there are not smarter Broncos fans than that bunch.

When Dave stops playing nice, the fun usually begins. No one knows that better than I do. :)

[whitskins]

I don't know that our offense is better. I'd rather have Jimmy Smith [today] than any of our WRs. I'd rather have Byron Leftwich than any of our QBs. Their OL isn't bad and Fred Taylor -- when healthy -- is a very good RB.

They have some interesting pieces but they're a really unproductive unit. Leftwich to Jimmy Smith has resulted in some good connections this year, but the o-line has been awful. Leftwich has been getting blown up A LOT and Fred Taylor is getting no help. The poor guy rushed for 12 yards last week against Denver. TWELVE! I think the O-line is killing that team.

[RedskinsDave]

I made myself laugh here: (one of their trolls said he had to come to my level)

Well you're gonna need to borrow Spence's high horse and a stepping stool. Just this time make sure you mount the poor horse from the side.

[hail2skins]

I made myself laugh here: (one of their trolls said he had to come to my level)LMAO, that's pretty darn good.

[akhhorus]

I liked your Life partner joke Dave. That was funny.

[Spence]

Dave is doing sterling work in there. If you're a fan of cruel insults, and I sure as hell am, you should have a look.

[hail2skins]

Talk about a fan base that's full of themselves. They say Skins fans are chest thumping when it's actually them that's doing it. Seems like a lot of them have run out of football knowledge and are now just throwing insults around. It was a pretty good thread up til that point.

[ihatedallas]

Its annoying how all of them are so smyug, but it is there board. One mentioned the Dline and how there not sold on them....i gurrante the broncos wont get 125 on the ground....

[jaggedice]

whatever, they got spanked by miami, even though I'm hesitant on us taking one in Denver (one of the toughest places to play), it will definetly be closer than many people think. I feel that greg williams will give plummer fits, and force him to stay in the pocket and make bad throws. as long as we can keep plummer in the pocket, we have a chance this weekend.

[hail2skins]

All I have to say is good job on representing the Skins and hR.

[redwolf1218]

i dont know if i'm missing something, but i cant believe anyone would pride themselves in being called "the orange mane". whatever happened to "the orange crush"? is this name "orange mane" supposed to replace that once proud distinction? does the mane somehow refer to the hair on a horses neck, them being the broncos? i mean there's only a handful of defenses that have been named, and orange crush is one of them. also "the no-name defense" comes to mind, and "steel curtain". but the orange mane is lame. i'm lost.

[CornerBlitz]

Well it does make it easier to give opinions when your 3-0 and other fans might listen to what you have to say.

[Fathead]

It is almost literally impossible to have a civil conversation over there unless you are convinced the Broncos are going to win every game in a blowout. I like Denver and I like Colorado. I can't believe there are not smarter Broncos fans than that bunch.



Welcome to my world in the intermountain west.


And there aren't smarter donkey fans.

[redwolf1218]

Welcome to my world in the intermountain west.


And there aren't smarter donkey fans.
looking at a map of the USA, the Broncos should have the largest and most spread out fan base in the country, geographically speaking. there's no one else around there to follow. that should breed lackadaisical fans. here the fan base is a tight nit group with deep roots in a long and storied franchise, and not too willing to tolerate ignorance. the loyalty is intense and conjested in heavily populated areas, and in many cases it goes back through generations. that should breed knowledgeable and objective fans.

[chrisar]

Reading this thread about lack of respect on OrangeMane has been fascinating. You've been dissing "us" for not respecting any part of your team and yet where is the respect from you? Over the last three games the Bronco D has allowed 165 yards rushing total or an avg of 55 yards a game. Take away the Jax game, and their measely 12 yards, we still held KC and SD both well respected rushing teams to ~75 yards a game. What's not talked about is that we're not doing that by stacking the box with 8 or 9 guys.

Every game in the NFL is tough and the skins are 3-0 so you are not sneaking in here. But, at least admit the Bronco D is playing huge and going on the road to Mile Hi - you'll have your work cut out for you. Besides, we're playing to move that draft pick up towards #1 and away from 32.

[BurgundyNGold]

Reading this thread about lack of respect on OrangeMane has been fascinating. You've been dissing "us" for not respecting any part of your team and yet where is the respect from you? Over the last three games the Bronco D has allowed 165 yards rushing total or an avg of 55 yards a game. Take away the Jax game, and their measely 12 yards, we still held KC and SD both well respected rushing teams to ~75 yards a game. What's not talked about is that we're not doing that by stacking the box with 8 or 9 guys.

Every game in the NFL is tough and the skins are 3-0 so you are not sneaking in here. But, at least admit the Bronco D is playing huge and going on the road to Mile Hi - you'll have your work cut out for you. Besides, we're playing to move that draft pick up towards #1 and away from 32.
Welcome to hR! Nobody thinks that Denver is going to be easy. Quite the contrary, in fact. You guys have a very stout defense (6th overall), especially against the run (3.5 YPA). Luckily, so do we (5th overall, 3.6 YPC). I expect another ugly game with the winning team maybe getting 20 points.

[Biggie]

Reading this thread about lack of respect on OrangeMane has been fascinating. You've been dissing "us" for not respecting any part of your team and yet where is the respect from you? Over the last three games the Bronco D has allowed 165 yards rushing total or an avg of 55 yards a game. Take away the Jax game, and their measely 12 yards, we still held KC and SD both well respected rushing teams to ~75 yards a game. What's not talked about is that we're not doing that by stacking the box with 8 or 9 guys.

Every game in the NFL is tough and the skins are 3-0 so you are not sneaking in here. But, at least admit the Bronco D is playing huge and going on the road to Mile Hi - you'll have your work cut out for you. Besides, we're playing to move that draft pick up towards #1 and away from 32.

No one is saying that this will be a blowout. We're not the idiots from ExtremeSkins.

[hail2skins]

Reading this thread about lack of respect on OrangeMane has been fascinating. You've been dissing "us" for not respecting any part of your team and yet where is the respect from you? Over the last three games the Bronco D has allowed 165 yards rushing total or an avg of 55 yards a game. Take away the Jax game, and their measely 12 yards, we still held KC and SD both well respected rushing teams to ~75 yards a game. What's not talked about is that we're not doing that by stacking the box with 8 or 9 guys.

Every game in the NFL is tough and the skins are 3-0 so you are not sneaking in here. But, at least admit the Bronco D is playing huge and going on the road to Mile Hi - you'll have your work cut out for you. Besides, we're playing to move that draft pick up towards #1 and away from 32.I don't think you see anyone here taking Denver lightly. Unlike your board where it's like we don't have a chance at all. BTW, welcome to hR where we have civil discussions about football.

[Fathead]

looking at a map of the USA, the Broncos should have the largest and most spread out fan base in the country, geographically speaking. there's no one else around there to follow. that should breed lackadaisical fans. here the fan base is a tight nit group with deep roots in a long and storied franchise, and not too willing to tolerate ignorance. the loyalty is intense and conjested in heavily populated areas, and in many cases it goes back through generations. that should breed knowledgeable and objective fans.



Exactly. People who live here and don't know any football but like a team are sure to like the donkeys. It's ridiculous. Every year it's OMG THE BRONCOS ARE GOING 19-0! JOHN ELWAY!

[BurgundyNGold]

All I have to say is good job on representing the Skins and hR.
Hear, hear. RoanokeSkin, DJ, Dave, Spence and a few others did a great job representing. Things started to unravel a bit when Spence started confounding them with all of those big words he uses and when Dave had a couple of them questioning their metrosexuality. Too funny. :D

[redskin_rich]

Reading this thread about lack of respect on OrangeMane has been fascinating. You've been dissing "us" for not respecting any part of your team and yet where is the respect from you? Over the last three games the Bronco D has allowed 165 yards rushing total or an avg of 55 yards a game. Take away the Jax game, and their measely 12 yards, we still held KC and SD both well respected rushing teams to ~75 yards a game. What's not talked about is that we're not doing that by stacking the box with 8 or 9 guys.

Every game in the NFL is tough and the skins are 3-0 so you are not sneaking in here. But, at least admit the Bronco D is playing huge and going on the road to Mile Hi - you'll have your work cut out for you. Besides, we're playing to move that draft pick up towards #1 and away from 32.
I don't think you will see anybody here saying that this is an easy game. This will be our toughest game so far. I do think it will be close, either way. This isn't the Chiefs you are playing, this team always plays hard.
As far as that draft pick, we are hoping it is a later pick than your's. ;)

[hail2skins]

Talk about a message board, check this site out. No discussion whatsoever.

http://www.broncosfreak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11029&page=5

[BurgundyNGold]

Talk about a message board, check this site out. No discussion whatsoever.

http://www.broncosfreak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11029&page=5
Good lord. It's like they started a thread so that they could all type one sentence posts and gleaming nuggets of wisdom like "Redskins S*ck". Is this hosted at a Denver junior high school?

[redskin_rich]

Talk about a message board, check this site out. No discussion whatsoever.

http://www.broncosfreak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11029&page=5
Wow, I could actually feel my IQ dropping just reading that garbage.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Hmmm... well, you can't expect there to be a complete lack of homers on either board. Of course, fans will expect their respective teams to win, but these blowout predictions by either side are a bit ridiculous. This will clearly be a defensive battle. Both teams will have hard times running the ball. We want to force Jake Plummer to throw a lot because, well, he's Jake Plummer, and if you harass him enough, bad things happen. Bronco fans can say things like "he's doing much better in the pocket" and "he's not making stupid mistakes anymore," just like Skins fans can say things like "Brunell was hurt last year" and "Brunell is coming off his best game as a Redskin." That doesn't change the fact that most Denver fans probably want to force Brunell to handle the ball as much as possible, given the reputation he's garnered since he changed uniforms.

In other words, Washington 122, Denver 0. ;)

[BurgundyNGold]

In other words, Washington 122, Denver 0. ;)
Glad to see you've kept it reined in Joe, lol.

[Fathead]

Good lord. It's like they started a thread so that they could all type one sentence posts and gleaming nuggets of wisdom like "Redskins S*ck". Is this hosted at a Denver junior high school?



That's the extent of the discussion I get out of people when they see me in my skins shirt and want to talk smack about sunday.


Them: "The Skins Suck!"

Me: "Really? Our D is top notch and the Offense is starting to come around. I think we have a shot, but it will be difficult. The Broncos are playing real well right now."

Them "The skins really suck!"

[BandWagon]

You know what the problem really is? It has nothing to do with Champ or Clinton...they're still really burned up about "the Quarter" in XXII. When WWD and I were at the HOF Game last year, they showed all 5 touchdowns on the screen during a commercial break and you should have heard the moaning. You figure after winning a couple themselves, they'd get over it.

[hail2skins]

That's the extent of the discussion I get out of people when they see me in my skins shirt and want to talk smack about sunday.


Them: "The Skins Suck!"

Me: "Really? Our D is top notch and the Offense is starting to come around. I think we have a shot, but it will be difficult. The Broncos are playing real well right now."

Them "The skins really suck!"stop hanging at Junior High Schools. :D

[redwolf1218]

You know what the problem really is? It has nothing to do with Champ or Clinton...they're still really burned up about "the Quarter" in XXII. When WWD and I were at the HOF Game last year, they showed all 5 touchdowns on the screen during a commercial break and you should have heard the moaning. You figure after winning a couple themselves, they'd get over it.
i can relate. i never got over the loss to the Raiders.

[Fathead]

If the baby food section of the grocery store is junior high..... then maybe I should quit going. ;)

[BurgundyNGold]

That's the extent of the discussion I get out of people when they see me in my skins shirt and want to talk smack about sunday.


Them: "The Skins Suck!"

Me: "Really? Our D is top notch and the Offense is starting to come around. I think we have a shot, but it will be difficult. The Broncos are playing real well right now."

Them "The skins really suck!"
Yep. Sounds like a trip through Dallass.

[redskin_rich]

Hmmm... well, you can't expect there to be a complete lack of homers on either board. Of course, fans will expect their respective teams to win, but these blowout predictions by either side are a bit ridiculous. This will clearly be a defensive battle. Both teams will have hard times running the ball. We want to force Jake Plummer to throw a lot because, well, he's Jake Plummer, and if you harass him enough, bad things happen. Bronco fans can say things like "he's doing much better in the pocket" and "he's not making stupid mistakes anymore," just like Skins fans can say things like "Brunell was hurt last year" and "Brunell is coming off his best game as a Redskin." That doesn't change the fact that most Denver fans probably want to force Brunell to handle the ball as much as possible, given the reputation he's garnered since he changed uniforms.

In other words, Washington 122, Denver 0. ;)
Post. Of. The. Month!

[GibbsRules!]

Hmmm... well, you can't expect there to be a complete lack of homers on either board. Of course, fans will expect their respective teams to win, but these blowout predictions by either side are a bit ridiculous. This will clearly be a defensive battle. Both teams will have hard times running the ball. We want to force Jake Plummer to throw a lot because, well, he's Jake Plummer, and if you harass him enough, bad things happen. Bronco fans can say things like "he's doing much better in the pocket" and "he's not making stupid mistakes anymore," just like Skins fans can say things like "Brunell was hurt last year" and "Brunell is coming off his best game as a Redskin." That doesn't change the fact that most Denver fans probably want to force Brunell to handle the ball as much as possible, given the reputation he's garnered since he changed uniforms.

In other words, Washington 122, Denver 0. ;) LOL, or how bout Skins 42, Broncos 10 ;)

[Sweepea436]

I have to say it was a treat to follow Spence along that thread and watch him almost single handedly drive a message board insane. He was playing chess....that was a checkers house...... Best thing about it was, when he refused to get in to a flame war they got on him about "taking the high road"...and when he showed them how foolish they sounded fighting a one sided war....they called him passive aggresive...........That's the first time I ventured to an opposing teams site. I didn't realize how fun it is.......

[skins74]

Hmmm... well, you can't expect there to be a complete lack of homers on either board. Of course, fans will expect their respective teams to win, but these blowout predictions by either side are a bit ridiculous. This will clearly be a defensive battle. Both teams will have hard times running the ball. We want to force Jake Plummer to throw a lot because, well, he's Jake Plummer, and if you harass him enough, bad things happen. Bronco fans can say things like "he's doing much better in the pocket" and "he's not making stupid mistakes anymore," just like Skins fans can say things like "Brunell was hurt last year" and "Brunell is coming off his best game as a Redskin." That doesn't change the fact that most Denver fans probably want to force Brunell to handle the ball as much as possible, given the reputation he's garnered since he changed uniforms.

In other words, Washington 122, Denver 0. ;)



I had Washington 147, Denver 0. :beer:

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm glad to see we're keeping our predictions in the park. :rolleyes:

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I'm glad to see we're keeping our predictions in the park. :rolleyes:

What, you only have us in the double-digits? What are you, some kind of crazy Broncos fan?

[chrisar]

Hmmm... well, you can't expect there to be a complete lack of homers on either board....
In other words, Washington 122, Denver 0. ;)

You must be talking about the penalty yards. :sfight:

[JoeDaSchmoe]

You must be talking about the penalty yards. :sfight:

Yeah, the celebration penalties we'll get after all those touchdowns will probably add up....

[RedskinsDave]

I have to say it was a treat to follow Spence along that thread and watch him almost single handedly drive a message board insane. He was playing chess....that was a checkers house...... Best thing about it was, when he refused to get in to a flame war they got on him about "taking the high road"...and when he showed them how foolish they sounded fighting a one sided war....they called him passive aggresive...........That's the first time I ventured to an opposing teams site. I didn't realize how fun it is.......

And since Spence and I often like to take opposite paths (outside of the Redskins), I chose to take their low road. :D

[llayne]

Anyway, I have a few question for the Redskin fans, and by the way I' am an huge Broncos fan. First of all, and I' am sure you have been asked this a lot, but how do you guys feel about Portis? Was he worth giving up Champ? Secondly, how do you guys like the matchups in the upcoming game. I personally feel the matchups favor Denver only because their defense is just as good as the Redskins and the offense has been better except for our week one lost. Shutting down Fred Taylor in Jacksonvile and the Cheifs makes me beleive we can shut Portis down, and the rest of your offense just dosn't scare me. Conversly, our offense has been far short of great but has more upside than yours.

[Biggie]

Was he worth giving up Champ?

Yes. We were actually a much better defense last year, even without him.

[redskin_rich]

Anyway, I have a few question for the Redskin fans, and by the way I' am an huge Broncos fan. First of all, and I' am sure you have been asked this a lot, but how do you guys feel about Portis? Was he worth giving up Champ? Secondly, how do you guys like the matchups in the upcoming game. I personally feel the matchups favor Denver only because their defense is just as good as the Redskins and the offense has been better except for our week one lost. Shutting down Fred Taylor in Jacksonvile and the Cheifs makes me beleive we can shut Portis down, and the rest of your offense just dosn't scare me. Conversly, our offense has been far short of great but has more upside than yours.
Champ wouldn't take our offer, which was very good. He simply didn't want to be here anymore, so we gave an unsigned player and a 2nd rd pick for Portis. With the money saved by not signing Champ we signed Portis to a new deal and we signed Shawn Springs. Portis is a top RB in this league and Springs had a better year last year than Champ ever has had. 6 int's and 6 sacks, how many CB's can you name that have ever achieved that feat? Any how, I feel it was a good trade both ways, you all needed a top flight CB and we needed a top tier RB.
I am not going to get into breakdowns of our O and D and your's in this thread. I think we are very equal, this will be a close game and Denver has the advantage of being at home.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Anyway, I have a few question for the Redskin fans, and by the way I' am an huge Broncos fan. First of all, and I' am sure you have been asked this a lot, but how do you guys feel about Portis? Was he worth giving up Champ? Secondly, how do you guys like the matchups in the upcoming game. I personally feel the matchups favor Denver only because their defense is just as good as the Redskins and the offense has been better except for our week one lost. Shutting down Fred Taylor in Jacksonvile and the Cheifs makes me beleive we can shut Portis down, and the rest of your offense just dosn't scare me. Conversly, our offense has been far short of great but has more upside than yours.

We love Portis around here. If the O-line would ever get its act together and open up some holes, Portis would be chalking up a lot more 1,500-yard seasons. As it is, he has to fight for a bunch of his yards by himself. Luckily, the line seems to be progressing slowly but surely. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see Portis' yards per carry gradually climb as the season goes on. As for Champ, our defense doesn't seem to miss him one bit.

The matchups are pretty even. You'll probably do a good job shutting down our running game as we will shutting down yours. Plummer will probably make one or two more big plays, but also one or two more big mistakes, than Brunell will. What worries me is that the game could very well come down to Jason Elam vs. Nick Novak, and that's a terrifying prospect. However, with Champ still nursing a sore hammy, Santana might be able to make yet another game-changing play for us. I know you guys have Lelie and Watts for speedsters, but I wouldn't put them in quite the same category as Moss, who can make anything happen from anywhere on the field.

Anyways, seems to me like it'll be a tight, relatively low-scoring game, probably similar to the Seahawks game. Something along the lines of 17-14, 21-17, 21-20, 21-13, that sorta thing. The Redskins are suddenly very good at winning those games, but the Broncos are very good at home. I can understand why the Skins would be getting a couple points in the spread, but at this point, I'd just tell you to flip a coin.

[ozomulsion]

Long read, so bear with me.
Hello all, Bronco fan here. Just glad to see there is a Skins site much better than Extremeskins. Love your board! About Alec: he's not much of a people person at all, take him with a grain of salt. Raderh8tr: best to just put him on ignore. When someone starts spouting off nonsense. Just say, welcome to ignore and use the ignore button. Speaking of life partners, Spence and DJ are the epitome of hetero life partners. The way they speak of one another left me perturbed, to say the least. ;)

On to the game. You have a fine offensive line. Ours is really starting to gel.
Advantage: Neither

Your wide receivers, aside from Moss, don't impress me at all. Cooley has done well. Personally I expected more out of Patten. Always been a big Patten fan. If Jake can finally hit Lelie on some long balls, we will be a complete group. Adams, our 3rd WR, is really coming on. Much like we expected Darius Watts to do. But hey, at least somebody is coming on as a legit 3rd wide out.
Advantage: Broncos

Portis is an excellent back, we all know that. Betts is a solid backup to say the least. Roc isn't to shabby himself. Anderson is a solid back for us. Picks up the blitz very well. Bell is a star in the making. We are trying to eek one more year out of Anderson. Bell will be a star in this league. Mark my words. Most of our fans have turned their back on him. They will look silly sooner than later.
Advantage: Skins

Brunell (84.3 rating) is doing what he has to to win. You can't argue with that. He's playing within himself. Coming up big when he has to. Beautiful quick pass to Moss in overtime. I'm thinking it was on third down. Props for that. Plummer, like Brunell, is playing within himself. Keeping drives alive with big third down completions. He needs to work on his deep ball to Lelie. Will step up to a whole other level if he can do that. Had a 110 QB rating the last game. Can't ask for more than that.
Advantage: Neither

Don't know much about your D-line except they are solid. Don't get much pass rush from what I understand. Griffen is very good. I could take up two pages talking about our D-line but won't. Pryce is a beast. Period. The Browns players always were excellent against the pass but not very good against the run. My, how times have changed. Doing a wonderful job in both aspects.
Advantage: Broncos

Your linebackers are an excellent group. Been really impressed by Marshall. Washington is great as always. Holdman is OK. I believe we have one of the best line backing units in the NFL. Period. I was an Ian Gold doubter. Not anymore. Excellent Group, no need to go on.
Advantage: Broncos

Your secondary is awesome. Springs is everything you could ask for. Sean Taylor is a stud. I'm a huge fan of the U. Could go on and on about Taylor. Harris has alway been solid if not spectacular. Rodgers is the man. One of my favorite players coming out of the draft. Still one of my favs. You guys have a gem right there.

Champ has stepped up his game to a whole other level this year. We found a couple of gems ourselves at DB in this years draft. Darrent Williams(5-9) (176lbs)(4.30 forty) is amazing. If Champ(game time decision) doesn't play, Darrent will likely have Moss one on one. He can do this. I know he's a rookie but he's special. I could go on and on about Darrent but wont. Foxworth (5-11)(183lbs)(4.34 forty) looks to be special himself. I'm sure you guys know a little about him as he's from Maryland. Ferguson has been solid. Can't ask anymore of him. Lynch has been very quick this year coming up on blitzes. He is what he is.
Advantage: Skins

Special teams is a wash unless Darrent is returning punts. He's special at this. Elam stinks. Todd Sauerbrun is awsome. Your kicker looks to be a future great. Special teams will be very important. No doubts there.

Prediction: Broncos 76 Skins 3. J/K
Real prediction: Broncos 13 Skins 10

Hope both teams stay injury free. We have the makings of a great game fellas. Cheers. It's time for a Blood Mary.

[Fathead]

That assessment is fair, although I disagree in a few areas.


This will be a contest decided by 7 or less. Turnovers/field position will be a huge factor.

[hockeygoalie29]

Long read, so bear with me.

Very nice job, you obviously know your stuff when it comes to the NFL. The only differance in my opinion is that the Skins have the better linebackers, especially if Lavar gets in on more than a few snaps.

I was tempted to rate our D-lines as equal, but I am still disapointed in the lack of a pass rush our guys have. When it comes to stopping the run though, they have no equal. But Denver's D-line has looked very good in all aspects so far so I will agree and give the edge to them for balance.

This game is going to come down to the fourth quarter, I'd be willing to bet whichever team has the ball for the last significant drive will pull out the win.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Long read, so bear with me.
Hello all, Bronco fan here. Just glad to see there is a Skins site much better than Extremeskins. Love your board! About Alec: he's not much of a people person at all, take him with a grain of salt. Raderh8tr: best to just put him on ignore. When someone starts spouting off nonsense. Just say, welcome to ignore and use the ignore button. Speaking of life partners, Spence and DJ are the epitome of hetero life partners. The way they speak of one another left me perturbed, to say the least. ;)

On to the game. You have a fine offensive line. Ours is really starting to gel.
Advantage: Neither

Your wide receivers, aside from Moss, don't impress me at all. Cooley has done well. Personally I expected more out of Patten. Always been a big Patten fan. If Jake can finally hit Lelie on some long balls, we will be a complete group. Adams, our 3rd WR, is really coming on. Much like we expected Darius Watts to do. But hey, at least somebody is coming on as a legit 3rd wide out.
Advantage: Broncos

Portis is an excellent back, we all know that. Betts is a solid backup to say the least. Roc isn't to shabby himself. Anderson is a solid back for us. Picks up the blitz very well. Bell is a star in the making. We are trying to eek one more year out of Anderson. Bell will be a star in this league. Mark my words. Most of our fans have turned their back on him. They will look silly sooner than later.
Advantage: Skins

Brunell (84.3 rating) is doing what he has to to win. You can't argue with that. He's playing within himself. Coming up big when he has to. Beautiful quick pass to Moss in overtime. I'm thinking it was on third down. Props for that. Plummer, like Brunell, is playing within himself. Keeping drives alive with big third down completions. He needs to work on his deep ball to Lelie. Will step up to a whole other level if he can do that. Had a 110 QB rating the last game. Can't ask for more than that.
Advantage: Neither

Don't know much about your D-line except they are solid. Don't get much pass rush from what I understand. Griffen is very good. I could take up two pages talking about our D-line but won't. Pryce is a beast. Period. The Browns players always were excellent against the pass but not very good against the run. My, how times have changed. Doing a wonderful job in both aspects.
Advantage: Broncos

Your linebackers are an excellent group. Been really impressed by Marshall. Washington is great as always. Holdman is OK. I believe we have one of the best line backing units in the NFL. Period. I was an Ian Gold doubter. Not anymore. Excellent Group, no need to go on.
Advantage: Broncos

Your secondary is awesome. Springs is everything you could ask for. Sean Taylor is a stud. I'm a huge fan of the U. Could go on and on about Taylor. Harris has alway been solid if not spectacular. Rodgers is the man. One of my favorite players coming out of the draft. Still one of my favs. You guys have a gem right there.

Champ has stepped up his game to a whole other level this year. We found a couple of gems ourselves at DB in this years draft. Darrent Williams(5-9) (176lbs)(4.30 forty) is amazing. If Champ(game time decision) doesn't play, Darrent will likely have Moss one on one. He can do this. I know he's a rookie but he's special. I could go on and on about arrent but wont. Foxworth (5-11)(183lbs)(4.34 forty) looks to be special himself. I'm sure you guys know a little about him as he's from Maryland. Ferguson has been solid. Can't ask anymore of him. Lynch has been very quick this year coming up on blitzes. He is what he is.
Advantage: Skins

Special teams is a wash unless Darrent is returning punts. He's special at this. Elam stinks. Todd Sauerbrun is awsome. Your kicker looks to be a future great. Special teams will be very important. No doubts there.

Prediction: Broncos 76 Skins 3. J/K
Real prediction: Broncos 13 Skins 10

Hope both teams stay injury free. We have the makings of a great game fellas. Cheers. It's time for a Blood Mary.

Excellent breakdown and I really can't argue w/you much about it. But a bit of advice...if Champ doesn't play, don't blitz Brunell too much because I believe he has a better chance of finding the open receiver than Plummer does. Brunell has been playing much better recently and I feel that is what hurt the Seahawks on 3rd downs. Another thing is I don't feel we can win this game w/o winning the turnover battle. Nevertheless, I can go w/your analysis of the two teams. Good first post and welcome to HR.

[Sweepea436]

And since Spence and I often like to take opposite paths (outside of the Redskins), I chose to take their low road. :D

Haha, yeah I saw you a DJ in the mix. When you get attacked in hostile territory...it's good to have back up:)

[Sweepea436]

Long read, so bear with me.
Hello all, Bronco fan here. Just glad to see there is a Skins site much better than Extremeskins. Love your board! About Alec: he's not much of a people person at all, take him with a grain of salt. Raderh8tr: best to just put him on ignore. When someone starts spouting off nonsense. Just say, welcome to ignore and use the ignore button. Speaking of life partners, Spence and DJ are the epitome of hetero life partners. The way they speak of one another left me perturbed, to say the least. ;)

On to the game. You have a fine offensive line. Ours is really starting to gel.
Advantage: Neither

Your wide receivers, aside from Moss, don't impress me at all. Cooley has done well. Personally I expected more out of Patten. Always been a big Patten fan. If Jake can finally hit Lelie on some long balls, we will be a complete group. Adams, our 3rd WR, is really coming on. Much like we expected Darius Watts to do. But hey, at least somebody is coming on as a legit 3rd wide out.
Advantage: Broncos

Portis is an excellent back, we all know that. Betts is a solid backup to say the least. Roc isn't to shabby himself. Anderson is a solid back for us. Picks up the blitz very well. Bell is a star in the making. We are trying to eek one more year out of Anderson. Bell will be a star in this league. Mark my words. Most of our fans have turned their back on him. They will look silly sooner than later.
Advantage: Skins

Brunell (84.3 rating) is doing what he has to to win. You can't argue with that. He's playing within himself. Coming up big when he has to. Beautiful quick pass to Moss in overtime. I'm thinking it was on third down. Props for that. Plummer, like Brunell, is playing within himself. Keeping drives alive with big third down completions. He needs to work on his deep ball to Lelie. Will step up to a whole other level if he can do that. Had a 110 QB rating the last game. Can't ask for more than that.
Advantage: Neither

Don't know much about your D-line except they are solid. Don't get much pass rush from what I understand. Griffen is very good. I could take up two pages talking about our D-line but won't. Pryce is a beast. Period. The Browns players always were excellent against the pass but not very good against the run. My, how times have changed. Doing a wonderful job in both aspects.
Advantage: Broncos

Your linebackers are an excellent group. Been really impressed by Marshall. Washington is great as always. Holdman is OK. I believe we have one of the best line backing units in the NFL. Period. I was an Ian Gold doubter. Not anymore. Excellent Group, no need to go on.
Advantage: Broncos

Your secondary is awesome. Springs is everything you could ask for. Sean Taylor is a stud. I'm a huge fan of the U. Could go on and on about Taylor. Harris has alway been solid if not spectacular. Rodgers is the man. One of my favorite players coming out of the draft. Still one of my favs. You guys have a gem right there.

Champ has stepped up his game to a whole other level this year. We found a couple of gems ourselves at DB in this years draft. Darrent Williams(5-9) (176lbs)(4.30 forty) is amazing. If Champ(game time decision) doesn't play, Darrent will likely have Moss one on one. He can do this. I know he's a rookie but he's special. I could go on and on about Darrent but wont. Foxworth (5-11)(183lbs)(4.34 forty) looks to be special himself. I'm sure you guys know a little about him as he's from Maryland. Ferguson has been solid. Can't ask anymore of him. Lynch has been very quick this year coming up on blitzes. He is what he is.
Advantage: Skins

Special teams is a wash unless Darrent is returning punts. He's special at this. Elam stinks. Todd Sauerbrun is awsome. Your kicker looks to be a future great. Special teams will be very important. No doubts there.

Prediction: Broncos 76 Skins 3. J/K
Real prediction: Broncos 13 Skins 10

Hope both teams stay injury free. We have the makings of a great game fellas. Cheers. It's time for a Blood Mary.

A fair assesment. Cant argue with it. Even though it obviously doesn't benifit us to have Champ in there I'd like to see him play. I was a Champ fan when he was here. Best of luck to....US HAHAHA No really, here's to a good injury free game:beer:

[Brokenstriker]

I was out in Denver about a week after the Skins beat them in the Superbowl ... you couldn't get a rise out of anybody it was as if they didn't even know they had a football team there.

maybe things have changed (but I doubt it)

[BigPlayJay]

Anyway, I have a few question for the Redskin fans, and by the way I' am an huge Broncos fan. First of all, and I' am sure you have been asked this a lot, but how do you guys feel about Portis? Was he worth giving up Champ? Secondly, how do you guys like the matchups in the upcoming game. I personally feel the matchups favor Denver only because their defense is just as good as the Redskins and the offense has been better except for our week one lost. Shutting down Fred Taylor in Jacksonvile and the Cheifs makes me beleive we can shut Portis down, and the rest of your offense just dosn't scare me. Conversly, our offense has been far short of great but has more upside than yours.

Portis is great. Champ was acutally ready to leave us via Free Agency and we couldn't afford to keep him and Lavar on the same D. So we tagged and traded him. The Portis trade just worked out for us. Portis is a great player and team leader. Champ was pretty good here but was a bit overated, I though Smoot had the better year in 2003. I think you guys seem happy with him. We got Springs for half price and he is at the very least as good as Bailey. I think it's a bit of a stretch to say your Defense is as good as ours. Your offense is probably a little better than ours so I think we match up pretty evenly.

I have a question for you. While you are happy to have Champ, you must miss Portis a little. While everyone says that anyone can run for 1200 yards in Denver you haven't had anyone step up and be that dependable runner and obviously noboday has come close to Portis' numbers. Do you miss Portis?

[Brokenstriker]

A fair assesment. Cant argue with it. Even though it obviously doesn't benifit us to have Champ in there I'd like to see him play. I was a Champ fan when he was here. Best of luck to....US HAHAHA No really, here's to a good injury free game:beer:

I can argue with it ... rather optimistic about connecting on the long pass considering that 3 of our 4 starting quality safeties are healthy now. I wouldn't give Denver an advantage there (in fact with the recent display of CLUTCH 3rd down passing effectiveness ... might even make a case for the Skins)

Have I missed something ... advantage Denver re Defensive Line?

Rushing Defense
Skins 3.6 yds/carry and avg of 83 yards/game
Broncos 3.5 yds/carry and avg 79 yards/game

Passing Defense
Skins 207 yds/game
Broncos 212 yds/game

looks like a wash

but all things considered a decent thinking piece from a different camp

[BurgundyNGold]

Long read, so bear with me.
Excellent post. I can't say enough about it. I'm glad to see that somebody out there in Bronco Nation knows his football, aside from the plethora of "[INSERT OPPOSING TEAM HERE] Sucks!!!" posts at some Bronco sites.

The only place where I would disagree with you is on the LBs. I think we have an underrated group, so I wouldn't be so quick to give the advantage to the Broncos. Aside from that (and the final score ;)) I think you are spot on.

[Sweepea436]

I can argue with it ... rather optimistic about connecting on the long pass considering that 3 of our 4 starting quality safeties are healthy now. I wouldn't give Denver an advantage there (in fact with the recent display of CLUTCH 3rd down passing effectiveness ... might even make a case for the Skins)

Have I missed something ... advantage Denver re Defensive Line?

Rushing Defense
Skins 3.6 yds/carry and avg of 83 yards/game
Broncos 3.5 yds/carry and avg 79 yards/game

Passing Defense
Skins 207 yds/game
Broncos 212 yds/game

looks like a wash

but all things considered a decent thinking piece from a different camp

That's all I was trying to get at. It's a fair assesmant from a fan of another team. Of course he's not going to say we're better........ I'm just saying that from his perspective, it's a grounded and logical opinion. I happen to agree with you about the LB's, they're a bit underrated. But the Broncos do have good LB's, so when it's close, we obviously lean towards our liking.

[dj_stouty]

Shutting down Fred Taylor in Jacksonvile and the Cheifs makes me beleive we can shut Portis down, and the rest of your offense just dosn't scare me.

Welcome aboard, llayne! We always welcome opposing team fans that want to talk football...

I do want to make one note about "shutting down Fred Taylor". True, he had only 14 yards...but he also only had 8 carries. Jacksonville was down 14 points early...and abandoned the run, which limited Taylor's carries.

What is more impressive than that...was the fact that Denver held both Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson to just 74 total rushing yards. Now THAT is an accomplishment!

I really think our Defenses matchup to be a wash. Both are potent against the run and pass...and I could see both Portis and whoever is Denver's flavor of the week at RB being held to under 100 yards.

This game comes down to the QBs. Whichever QB has the least amount of turnovers will probably lead their team to victory.

[akhhorus]

What is more impressive than that...was the fact that Denver held both Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson to just 74 total rushing yards. Now THAT is an accomplishment!

But, to be fair, KC's running attack has been hobbled without Willie Roaf. In fact their whole offense has tanked without him.

[BurgundyNGold]

But, to be fair, KC's running attack has been hobbled without Willie Roaf. In fact their whole offense has tanked without him.
They looked pretty good on their first two drives on Sunday and ended up scoring 31, well 24 points against the Iggle D. To me, it looked like the "improved" Chefs D still thinks it is 2004.

[akhhorus]

They looked pretty good on their first two drives on Sunday and ended up scoring 31, well 24 points against the Iggle D. To me, it looked like the "improved" Chefs D still thinks it is 2004.

Well, they didn't run the ball nearly as well as they had before and couldn't protect Green as well. Roaf not being there made a big difference. And having a defense that choked also did.

[dj_stouty]

Speaking of life partners, Spence and DJ are the epitome of hetero life partners. The way they speak of one another left me perturbed, to say the least.

I was going to welcome you to HR until I read the part about me and Spence being hetero life partners. (What exactly ARE hetero life partners, anyway? ;))

Anyway....thanks for the in-depth analysis on the matchups. I agree with most of what you typed....with the only exception being that I think our WRs are better than Denvers. Lelie, aside from one beautiful 39 yard catch, has been fairly invisible in this offense. I believe he has only 10 catches in four games...and I've heard he has been dropping a few passes as of late. But in fairness...he has been as "visible" in your offense as Patten has been on ours. I think they are about equal. Rod Smith is having a great year...but I think Moss is having an even better year. Moss has been a sparkplug for this offense, even aside from the two bomb TDs in Dallas. He has picked up countless 3rd downs, and has been deadly in the open field. I give the advantage to Moss. Lastly...I think James Thrash is a much better 3rd WR than Adams. Thrash may only have 8 catches...but 6 of them were for first downs. Plus...he doesn't drop or fumble the ball. I noticed that Adams has two fumbles already...on just 9 touches. That is a red flag to me.

Overall...I think the speed of Moss is going to make this WR corp perform on Sunday, especially if Champ is out of the lineup.

[csquared]

Look this is my first post.I have been reading this web site for months.Why would any of us go to another teams message board.Of course they arent going to say anything good about our team.How dumb would anyone be to think they would say"Oh man we are going to get killed by the Skins".They are Homers as much as we are cmon now!! :bangdesk:

[BurgundyNGold]

Look this is my first post.I have been reading this web site for months.Why would any of us go to another teams message board.Of course they arent going to say anything good about our team.How dumb would anyone be to think they would say"Oh man we are going to get killed by the Skins".They are Homers as much as we are cmon now!! :bangdesk:
Welcome to hR! This is a good first post. I hope it won't be your last. To answer your question, some of our guys went over to Orange Mane because they were discussing how stupid the Redskin fans were. Apparently, they were using Extremeskins as their sampling group. Our guys just corrected them about it, recommended hR and attempted to have a rational, logical discussion in the "Skins" thread. There were a couple of really good fans over there. However, too many of them embarassed themselves and their site by dropping f-bombs, name calling and disputing the value of facts and statistics. That group seemingly only wanted to argue and fight. So be it.

I don't think we're like that at hR. Notice how all of the courteous Bronco fans have been met with nothing bu trespect and civil discussion here?

[EberKain]

I don't think we're like that at hR. Notice how all of the courteous Bronco fans have been met with nothing bu trespect and civil discussion here?

Just because I closed the window instead of hitting 'submit reply'.

[csquared]

Ok but who cares what they think.We dispise cowboy fans right?? I know i do.And they dispise us.After we beat the Broncos then go in and say "Well what now??" But who cares what they think!! We know our team is playing well.They know theirs is also.Its going to be a good game period.Man ill have to say no disrespect to anyone but sometimes people in here act like kids. LET IT GO!!!!:smash:

[BurgundyNGold]

Ok but who cares what they think.We dispise cowboy fans right?? I know i do.And they dispise us.After we beat the Broncos then go in and say "Well what now??" But who cares what they think!! We know our team is playing well.They know theirs is also.Its going to be a good game period.Man ill have to say no disrespect to anyone but sometimes people in here act like kids. LET IT GO!!!!:smash:
Did you read that thread over at Orange Mane at all?

[dj_stouty]

Man ill have to say no disrespect to anyone but sometimes people in here act like kids. LET IT GO!!!!:smash:

No Offense...but if you think it is so stupid to do this...then why waste your time creating two posts about it. ESPECIALLY when you don't have a single post regarding the Redskins!?!?? Seems fishy to me.

I hope you stick around and talk Skins with us.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Anyway, I have a few question for the Redskin fans, and by the way I' am an huge Broncos fan. First of all, and I' am sure you have been asked this a lot, but how do you guys feel about Portis? Was he worth giving up Champ? Secondly, how do you guys like the matchups in the upcoming game. I personally feel the matchups favor Denver only because their defense is just as good as the Redskins and the offense has been better except for our week one lost. Shutting down Fred Taylor in Jacksonvile and the Cheifs makes me beleive we can shut Portis down, and the rest of your offense just dosn't scare me. Conversly, our offense has been far short of great but has more upside than yours.


We've liked Portis ever since he made that 70 yard TD run against Tampa in week one last year. Portis has heart. He hits people in the mouth and he takes on players much bigger and stronger than he is. He has great vision and a great attitude. He has proper respect for Joe Gibbs and he bridges the communication gap between coaches and University of Miami players who are acting immature (Sean Taylor).

We don't miss Champ. We have Sean Springs. Heck, we don't even miss Smoot. If Denver is a RB farm, and it is, then Washington in a CB farm. Sean Springs, Walt Harris and Carlos Rogers are a great team of DB's. BTW, Champ is overrated. I don't know when he was annointed best CB in the league status and I don't know why. He got burned for 3 TD's in one game by Joey Porter.

No, your defense is not as good as ours. Don't care what stats you have on that. Fred Taylor would not even be second string on the Redskins. Stopping him means nothing.

Santana Moss is pretty fast-faster than Champ. I don't know if he should scare you but he is a weapon.

I think it will be a close game.

[csquared]

I bleed burgandy and gold.So dont question that.No im not wasting my time with another teams site.My whole reason to post was that some of you were acting like you were 5 years old again" HE HE HE i was just in their site and he cussed at me" WHO CARES let them do what they want say what they want.After the SKINS win then go talk

[BurgundyNGold]

I bleed burgandy and gold.So dont question that.No im not wasting my time with another teams site.My whole reason to post was that some of you were acting like you were 5 years old again" HE HE HE i was just in their site and he cussed at me" WHO CARES let them do what they want say what they want.After the SKINS win then go talk
Again, did you read that thread over at Orange Mane at all? If you did, you would know how absurd that remark you just made was.

I'm not questioning your loyalty. Hopefully, we'll hear a lot of what you have to say in future posts. Personally, I happen to agree with you about talking smack. I haven't posted over there, but I might join in if a topic is engaging and the dialogue civil. Would that make me a child?

[dj_stouty]

I bleed burgandy and gold.So dont question that.No im not wasting my time with another teams site.My whole reason to post was that some of you were acting like you were 5 years old again" HE HE HE i was just in their site and he cussed at me" WHO CARES let them do what they want say what they want.After the SKINS win then go talk

Who cares? Apparently you do...and I'm not sure why.

I'm not questioning your loyalty to the Redskins. I'm just confused why someone who has read the site for months would go out of his/her way to create their first threads addressing this.

If it bothers you so much, feel free to stop clicking on this thread!

[llayne]

I have a question for you. While you are happy to have Champ, you must miss Portis a little. While everyone says that anyone can run for 1200 yards in Denver you haven't had anyone step up and be that dependable runner and obviously noboday has come close to Portis' numbers. Do you miss Portis?


Why am I happy with Champ. Simplely now, Shanny dosn't keep using first round, second round, third round etc draft picks on cornerbacks. (even more so with our last draft- those guys will be great). 2000 Draft # 15 Denver Deltha O'Neal . 2001 24 Denver Willie Middlebrooks CB Minnesota. Jerrmy Lasute, Jeff Shorts.. Plus the signing of Dale Carter. A common trend was they are performed horrible for Denver. Shanny, has always wanted a shutdown cornerback, and now I don't have to deal with him going out every year to find one when he has one of the best. Plus, while I beleive that Portis is a special back who won't be easily replaced, I think that Champ with have a longer more effective playing career. Cornerbacks cans switch over to safty if they are good and runningbacks tend to just switch over to the real world.

[llayne]

This game comes down to the QBs. Whichever QB has the least amount of turnovers will probably lead their team to victory.

I agree with the trunovers. Both teams have been doing a great job of not turning the ball over and if one team does trun the ball over deep in their own territory that could be the game. Another important part is both QB's mobility. I have seen Brunell make some good runs this year( reminds me a little to much of 1996) but Jake is also good with his legs and buying extra time for his recievers.

Alll in all, the running game might be the most important factor. If either team can etablish one and gain control of the clock they have a good chance to win. For the Broncos, running the ball well sets up their whole offense with playactions and rollouts. I' am sure the Redskins depend on the run to set up the pass. Out of curosity, do you guys have a deep secondary? I know your first line is talented.

[csquared]

The thing that im caring about is our fans looking like idiots going into other teams sites apperantly looking for compliments from them.:sfight:

[dj_stouty]

The thing that im caring about is our fans looking like idiots going into other teams sites apperantly looking for compliments from them.:sfight:

If you wouldn't mind...we are trying to talk football here.

[RedskinsDave]

The thing that im caring about is our fans looking like idiots going into other teams sites apperantly looking for compliments from them.:sfight:

Idiots huh? You bleed burgundy and gold my arse.

[llayne]

I don't know when he was annointed best CB in the league status and I don't know why. He got burned for 3 TD's in one game by Joey Porter.

No, your defense is not as good as ours. Don't care what stats you have on that. Fred Taylor would not even be second string on the Redskins. Stopping him means nothing.

Santana Moss is pretty fast-faster than Champ. I don't know if he should scare you but he is a weapon.

.

One thing: Pass Rush. We had none, without even great cornerbacks look bad and get bruned for three touchdowns. IF Champ is overrated, oh well. He saved our season in week two with the INT on Brees. That goes a long ways. He lets us play an aggresive style D, and is a profesional. I like the guy. DO I miss Portis? Yes, he was almost as funny as Sharp and a damn good runner. I still do this trade and I' am happy you guys do. Hopefully, thre Redskins and Broncos have a good trading relationship so in a few years when we need another DB and you need another RB we can strike a deal. Sean Taylor could be nice;)

[openallnight]

Don't know much about your D-line except they are solid. Don't get much pass rush from what I understand. Griffen is very good. I could take up two pages talking about our D-line but won't. Pryce is a beast. Period. The Browns players always were excellent against the pass but not very good against the run. My, how times have changed. Doing a wonderful job in both aspects.
Advantage: Broncos

Your linebackers are an excellent group. Been really impressed by Marshall. Washington is great as always. Holdman is OK. I believe we have one of the best line backing units in the NFL. Period. I was an Ian Gold doubter. Not anymore. Excellent Group, no need to go on.
Advantage: Broncos
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Nice post OZO! Damn, you know alot more about our team than I do yours :)
I agree that Pryce is a VERY good DE. But, he's going against our best lineman right now in Samuels. Who looks to be having his best season as a pro after the past few injury ridddled seasons. Should be a good matchup but, I think the advantage goes to Samuels here.
Your front 7 is having a phenomenal season so far, they are playing excellent run D. Your LB corpse has been amazing. They obviously have alot of speed and seem to be sure tacklers. Ian Gold has been playing lights out. Although, his is a bit smallish. To me the best way to attack that D is a power running game right at the left side of your D. Put a lead blocker on Gold and hope Jansen can drive Brown off the ball.
Do you agree with this assessment? If not what weakness or exploitable area do you see in that front 7?

[whitskins]

One thing: Pass Rush. We had none, without even great cornerbacks look bad and get bruned for three touchdowns. IF Champ is overrated, oh well. He saved our season in week two with the INT on Brees. That goes a long ways. He lets us play an aggresive style D, and is a profesional. I like the guy. DO I miss Portis? Yes, he was almost as funny as Sharp and a damn good runner. I still do this trade and I' am happy you guys do. Hopefully, thre Redskins and Broncos have a good trading relationship so in a few years when we need another DB and you need another RB we can strike a deal. Sean Taylor could be nice;)

Nah, you can have Ade Jimoh. :)

[akhhorus]

Why am I happy with Champ. Simplely now, Shanny dosn't keep using first round, second round, third round etc draft picks on cornerbacks. (even more so with our last draft- those guys will be great). 2000 Draft # 15 Denver Deltha O'Neal . 2001 24 Denver Willie Middlebrooks CB Minnesota. Jerrmy Lasute, Jeff Shorts.. Plus the signing of Dale Carter. A common trend was they are performed horrible for Denver. Shanny, has always wanted a shutdown cornerback, and now I don't have to deal with him going out every year to find one when he has one of the best. Plus, while I beleive that Portis is a special back who won't be easily replaced, I think that Champ with have a longer more effective playing career. Cornerbacks cans switch over to safty if they are good and runningbacks tend to just switch over to the real world.

And yet, despite signing Champ in 2004, the Broncos drafted 3 CBs in the 2005 draft with their first 3 picks. Care to explain that one to us?

[openallnight]

I' am sure the Redskins depend on the run to set up the pass. Out of curosity, do you guys have a deep secondary? I know your first line is talented.
This is the thing that scares me the most about our D. Last year we could run man to man on either corner w/ Smoot and Springs and blitz from anywhere on the field. Harris was an excellet Nickel Back and Taylor and Clark really proved to be good cover safeties as the season progressed.
Although, with Smoot's absence and Harris' being injured we've been keeping the safeties back in pass coverage to help out the rookie, Rogers. Ade Jimoh is our 4th CB. But, has been very unreliable in coverage in the past. So, we're playing a safety in the Nickel alot. If Harris can't go again this week, it will really hurt us, especially in Nickel and Dime packages.

[akhhorus]

I agree with the trunovers. Both teams have been doing a great job of not turning the ball over and if one team does trun the ball over deep in their own territory that could be the game. Another important part is both QB's mobility. I have seen Brunell make some good runs this year( reminds me a little to much of 1996) but Jake is also good with his legs and buying extra time for his recievers.

Alll in all, the running game might be the most important factor. If either team can etablish one and gain control of the clock they have a good chance to win. For the Broncos, running the ball well sets up their whole offense with playactions and rollouts. I' am sure the Redskins depend on the run to set up the pass. Out of curosity, do you guys have a deep secondary? I know your first line is talented.

The Skins' defense is an odd one, it almost doesn't seem to matter who's in there. Williams was able to take players who couldn't start in college and make them into eefective players. They had a practice squad level CB in Wilds last year who was forced into service versus the Vikings and did rather well against Moss. Ryan Clark couldn't start at LSU, but he's been a very effective Safety. Its the scheme, not the players.

[PyroGenic]

okay somebody tell me why these guys don't admit to chop blocking? Everybody knows they do it... i smell denial... and its making my eyes water (due to stinkiness).

[RedskinsDave]

okay somebody tell me why these guys don't admit to chop blocking? Everybody knows they do it... i smell denial... and its making my eyes water (due to stinkiness).

Of course they don't chop block, ha ha. Neither does Atlanta now. Hmm, I wonder where that accusation would come from?

[PyroGenic]

theres a guy there with like 33,000 posts... good god... I think i know why too. He told me the same exact thing 2 posts in a row except he switched around words?? the dude has gone senial, i feel sorry for him

[RoanokeSkin]

The thing that im caring about is our fans looking like idiots going into other teams sites apperantly looking for compliments from them.:sfight:


There is a difference in compliments and respect. I think that is what I was looking for. :sfight:

[ozomulsion]

As far as linebackers go. Washington is very good. Gold does a comperable job as far as tackes go. Gold blitzes much better than Washington.
Lamar Marshal has really opened my eyes. I had no idea he was this good. Call me crazy but I'd still take Al Wilson over him.
Warrick Holdman isn't all that good. 5 tackles through 3 games? WOW
D.J. Williams is in a move form WILL to SAM. This will take some time. That said, he is only getting better every game.
I still say Adavantage: Broncos

[smoak]

As far as linebackers go. Washington is very good. Gold does a comperable job as far as tackes go. Gold blitzes much better than Washington.
Lamar Marshal has really opened my eyes. I had no idea he was this good. Call me crazy but I'd still take Al Wilson over him.
Warrick Holdman isn't all that good. 5 tackles through 3 games? WOW
D.J. Williams is in a move form WILL to SAM. This will take some time. That said, he is only getting better every game.
I still say Adavantage: Broncos

If you factor in depth (i.e. the fact that we have Arrington coming off the bench), would you still give the Broncos the edge? Just curious.

I would say Washington is the best overall LB of the six, but I would agree that Denver has the better starting unit.

[llayne]

And yet, despite signing Champ in 2004, the Broncos drafted 3 CBs in the 2005 draft with their first 3 picks. Care to explain that one to us?


The Broncos finally hit on a cornerback with Champ and figured they luck was changing and that the next few DB's they brought in would work out well. Just the law of averages comming back in a good way. The main reason is the Colts- two years two monster games my Manning and Co. They kept exposing our weekness and that was DB depth. Had to try and fix it.

[llayne]

Since the Skins don't seem to have a deep secondary I could picture the Broncos putting 4 or five recivers out there or using two recivers and two tight ends spilt wide. Would this cause any mismatchs in your guys opinon?

[Jon Jansen is money]

We have a good pair of safetys out there, but if Walt Harris is hurt again, that means Ade Jimoh will step onto the field for dime.....Advantage: Denver

[hail2skins]

The thing that im caring about is our fans looking like idiots going into other teams sites apperantly looking for compliments from them.:sfight:If you think you should just go there after the fact and rub it in, then you know nothing about the etiquette of message boards. You would be labeled a troll or flamer. This happens all the time and if you've read this board, you would know that.

[Jon Jansen is money]

okay somebody tell me why these guys don't admit to chop blocking? Everybody knows they do it... i smell denial... and its making my eyes water (due to stinkiness).

chop blocking is perfectly legal though.....

[ozomulsion]

If you factor in depth (i.e. the fact that we have Arrington coming off the bench), would you still give the Broncos the edge? Just curious.

I would say Washington is the best overall LB of the six, but I would agree that Denver has the better starting unit.

Yes, I would say the Skins have better depth for sure. We rarely use our backup
linbackers. Conversely we now use what we call the "big nickel". 4 down lineman, 2 linebackers, 3 safetys and 2 corner backs. We just started that package this year. And no, we don't use it instead of our regular nickel package. We use both. It has worked out very well so far.

[openallnight]

Yes, I would say the Skins have better depth for sure. We rarely use our backup
linbackers. Conversely we now use what we call the "big nickel". 4 down lineman, 2 linebackers, 3 safetys and 2 corner backs. We just started that package this year. And no, we don't use it instead of our regular nickel package. We use both. It has worked out very well so far.
Hey OZO, I posted a question earlier about your front 7. What's the best way to run at them successfully? Any thoughts?

[PyroGenic]

chop blocking is perfectly legal though.....

i never even said it wasnt, they just said that their line never does it.

[openallnight]

Since the Skins don't seem to have a deep secondary I could picture the Broncos putting 4 or five recivers out there or using two recivers and two tight ends spilt wide. Would this cause any mismatchs in your guys opinon?
Could definately pose a problem for us. Especially, if Harris, listed day to day, is out. We'd be left with a safety either stoutmire or prieoleau [also day to day] as our primary nickel back. Our front 4 isn't getting much of a pass rush. And if you can pick up our blitzes Jake should have time to find an open 3rd or 4th WR against our zone. I do think our #1 priority this week will be to improve our pass rush. So, Denver should expect some new wrinkles. Maybe even some personnel changes.

[ozomulsion]

Hey OZO, I posted a question earlier about your front 7. What's the best way to run at them successfully? Any thoughts?

To tell you the truth. No team has figured out how to run on us so far. Minus a 61 yard reverse. Our run D has held all running backs to 2.8 YPC. I would say, keep us honest with some reverses to Moss. That would help. Running up the gut is the wrong answer. Running to the outside might be better but with the speed of our linebackers, that can be quite tough as well.

[akhhorus]

The Broncos finally hit on a cornerback with Champ and figured they luck was changing and that the next few DB's they brought in would work out well. Just the law of averages comming back in a good way. The main reason is the Colts- two years two monster games my Manning and Co. They kept exposing our weekness and that was DB depth. Had to try and fix it.

That still doesn't make much sense. Champ is a good Cb(overpaid for sure), but drafting 3 Cbs and passing on plenty of players who could fill other needs makes no sense. Passing on Chris Henry or Kevin Everett for Paymah was bizarre. Darent Williams was a good pick, Foxworth has shown talent, but again; even with Champ and facing the Colts, why draft 3 Cbs? That still doesn't make any sense. And drafting Clarett right afterwards doesn't inspire confidence.

[BurgundyNGold]

chop blocking is perfectly legal though.....
Jon Jansen doesn't do it. That's why he's $$$. ;)

[RedskinsDave]

chop blocking is perfectly legal though.....

A chop block is a 15 yard penalty.

[BurgundyNGold]

A chop block is a 15 yard penalty.
Not in Denver.

[smoak]

To tell you the truth. No team has figured out how to run on us so far. Minus a 61 yard reverse. Our run D has held all running backs to 2.8 YPC. I would say, keep us honest with some reverses to Moss. That would help. Running up the gut is the wrong answer. Running to the outside might be better but with the speed of our linebackers, that can be quite tough as well.

Yeah, it was supposedly tough to run on the Steelers starters as well, but we were able to do that. I'm not saying we will or won't have success... I'm just saying it'll be fun to watch the chess match back and forth.

This preliminary garbage of whose unit will prevail is getting a little old. I'm still waiting for someone to say "but my daddy can beat up your daddy".

[BurgundyNGold]

Yeah, it was supposedly tough to run on the Steelers starters as well, but we were able to do that. I'm not saying we will or won't have success... I'm just saying it'll be fun to watch the chess match back and forth.

This preliminary garbage of whose unit will prevail is getting a little old. I'm still waiting for someone to say "but my daddy can beat up your daddy".
You know, Suzy Kolber ...

[WABronco]

That still doesn't make much sense. Champ is a good Cb(overpaid for sure), but drafting 3 Cbs and passing on plenty of players who could fill other needs makes no sense. Passing on Chris Henry or Kevin Everett for Paymah was bizarre. Darent Williams was a good pick, Foxworth has shown talent, but again; even with Champ and facing the Colts, why draft 3 Cbs? That still doesn't make any sense. And drafting Clarett right afterwards doesn't inspire confidence.

What's up 'Skins fans...Lookin for a good game on Sunday.

Anyways, we drafted 3 corners because our 2nd (he used to be anyways) corner is a FA this year, and he'll most likely leave. All three guys were in the top-10 40 times. D Williams is a KR, but he's turning out to be better than expected. Paymah is a physical specimen, a project, but he played well last week. Foxworth was taken because he was the highest player on their board available at that pick...

Clarett was a joke though, I'll admit. We could've used someone like Chris Canty or Ciatrick Fason.

BTW-Homerism sucks...

[BurgundyNGold]

What's up 'Skins fans...Lookin for a good game on Sunday.

Anyways, we drafted 3 corners because our 2nd (he used to be anyways) corner is a FA this year, and he'll most likely leave. All three guys were in the top-10 40 times. D Williams is a KR, but he's turning out to be better than expected. Paymah is a physical specimen, a project, but he played well last week. Foxworth was taken because he was the highest player on their board available at that pick...

Clarett was a joke though, I'll admit. We could've used someone like Chris Canty or Ciatrick Fason.

BTW-Homerism sucks...
On this we can agree. We've got Manuel White sitting at home on IR eating bon bons instead of taking Canty in the 4th. Just a poor selection.

[GWBlitzST]

I'm just wondering why Denver fans think that their run D is better than our run D. They ran over the Jaguars, great. The Jags were missing two starters on the offensive line, including their anchor LT. Not to mention Leftwich was hurt so he couldn't move the pocket like Brunell will do, much like Plummer does when he is successful. We handled one of the best o lines in football, and held a top-flight running back under 100 yards while Hasselback was on top of his game, which is a tough challenge for any team.

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm just wondering why Denver fans think that their run D is better than our run D. They ran over the Jaguars, great. The Jags were missing two starters on the offensive line, including their anchor LT. Not to mention Leftwich was hurt so he couldn't move the pocket like Brunell will do, much like Plummer does when he is successful. We handled one of the best o lines in football, and held a top-flight running back under 100 yards while Hasselback was on top of his game, which is a tough challenge for any team.
I hope they're cocky as hell. I know that we're grounded heading out there. I seriously hope they come out flat because they believe all the Denver press clippings.

[WABronco]

I'm just wondering why Denver fans think that their run D is better than our run D. They ran over the Jaguars, great. The Jags were missing two starters on the offensive line, including their anchor LT. Not to mention Leftwich was hurt so he couldn't move the pocket like Brunell will do, much like Plummer does when he is successful. We handled one of the best o lines in football, and held a top-flight running back under 100 yards while Hasselback was on top of his game, which is a tough challenge for any team.

I wouldn't use the Jag's game as your prime example...Their O-line is horrible, even with their "anchor" LT. But in the games against the Chargers and Chiefs, Denver's interior was blowing up guys like Tony Fonoti, Will Shields, and Brian Waters.

I also watched the entire Seattle game (I'm outta Washington state), and I wouldn't say the 'Skins completely removed Shaun Alexander from the equation. He still had 98 yards, a TD, and a 4.9 ypc average.

I wouldn't say that Denver's run D is better than the 'Skins, simply because the 'Skins were good last year too. However, the Broncos have held backs like Holmes, Tomlinson, and Fred Taylor to an average of 42.3 yards/game. Our revamped line is playin great, and our LB's cancel out any outside runs. They've been very impressive this year, and there's no reason to believe that they can't do it against the Redskins.

You made an interesting point about Brunell's mobility. Lol, his run in OT had me jumpin up and down in my living room. Denver hasn't faced a mobile QB since Vick last year. We'll find out on Sunday, I guess.

[WABronco]

I hope they're cocky as hell. I know that we're grounded heading out there. I seriously hope they come out flat because they believe all the Denver press clippings.


I don't know bout that...

Denver's gonna be pumped up with CP back in town. I'm pretty sure they're gonna try their hardest to make a point.

[CornerBlitz]

You made an interesting point about Brunell's mobility. Lol, his run in OT had me jumpin up and down in my living room. Denver hasn't faced a mobile QB since Vick last year. We'll find out on Sunday, I guess.
Ya I would say that Brunell has about as much mobility as Vick.:rolleyes: J/K
It should be a good match-up sunday. Your linebackers are extremely good and offensive line too. Im still not sure how Denver has played so far becaues I havent watched any games so hopefully it will be exciting.

[BurgundyNGold]

I don't know bout that...

Denver's gonna be pumped up with CP back in town. I'm pretty sure they're gonna try their hardest to make a point.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right. I'm not above hoping that you guys come out flat. It makes our job easier. ;)

[Ibleedburgundy]

If you take away the Miami game, Denver's overall team stats are quite impressive. But that game-statistically they got crushed.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=187

24/36 for 275 yards and two TD's. 151 yards rushing from a rookie.-Can't see the Redskins giving that up to anyone, let alone the Dolphins.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

I also watched the entire Seattle game (I'm outta Washington state), and I wouldn't say the 'Skins completely removed Shaun Alexander from the equation. He still had 98 yards, a TD, and a 4.9 ypc average.

we did better than what the stats said. in the first half, he had 12 yards. he really didnt do anything until he had one long run, then we were on our heels a little bit, defending the pass and the run.

[WABronco]

we did better than what the stats said. in the first half, he had 12 yards. he really didnt do anything until he had one long run, then we were on our heels a little bit, defending the pass and the run.

True, but stats are stats...He did eventually have 98 yards, and such...

[WABronco]

If you take away the Miami game, Denver's overall team stats are quite impressive. But that game-statistically they got crushed.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=187

24/36 for 275 yards and two TD's. 151 yards rushing from a rookie.-Can't see the Redskins giving that up to anyone, let alone the Dolphins.

Wow wow wow, slow down there. Ronnie Brown had 57 yards on 22 carries, not so hot. Chris Chambers had a huge end around run, like 60 yards. Everything else was just backup/garbage yards...

I've tried to erase that game from my memory, and it's been pretty easy with the way they've played lately...

[ozomulsion]

Wow wow wow, slow down there. Ronnie Brown had 57 yards on 22 carries, not so hot. Chris Chambers had a huge end around run, like 60 yards. Everything else was just backup/garbage yards...

I've tried to erase that game from my memory, and it's been pretty easy with the way they've played lately...

LOL, you beat me to it. I was surprised to see someone thought we gave up 151 yards to Ronnie Brown. In fact, minus that reverse. Denver has given up a meager 2.8 YPC to all running backs.

[akhhorus]

LOL, you beat me to it. I was surprised to see someone thought we gave up 151 yards to Ronnie Brown. In fact, minus that reverse. Denver has given up a meager 2.8 YPC to all running backs.

Takeaway Shaun Alexander's 34 yard run last week and the Skins are letting up 3.1 YPC to all running backs. Thats a 1 foot difference.

[ozomulsion]

Takeaway Shaun Alexander's 34 yard run last week and the Skins are letting up 3.1 YPC to all running backs. Thats a 1 foot difference.

Well, Shaun Alexander is a running back. Big difference.

[akhhorus]

Well, Shaun Alexander is a running back. Big difference.

And a 61 yard reverse still counts as a rushing play your defense let up.

Overall and counting everything, the Broncos are letting up 3.5 yards per rush, the Skins 3.6 yards per rush. Again, a difference of 1 foot. Overall, the Broncos are letting up 5.0 yards per play, the Skins 4.9. Also a difference of one foot. Both defenses are solid.

[Sonoma]

Should be an interesting Sunday

[ozomulsion]

In other news: Al Wilson earned defensive player of the week honors.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8930136
DEFENSE: LB AL WILSON, DENVER BRONCOS

Denver linebacker Al Wilson helped the Broncos (3-1) buck their way to a third consecutive victory in a 20-7 win at Jacksonville. Wilson was frequently found making plays around the ball by compiling six tackles, including a sack, two forced fumbles and a pass defensed. His sack and forced fumble in the first quarter gave Denver the ball at the Jaguars' 29-yard line. Wilson keyed a defense that held Jacksonville and standout running back Fred Taylor and the team to a franchise-low 12 rushing yards.

This marks the first Player of the Week honor for Wilson, a three-time AFC All-Star and seven-year veteran from Tennessee.

[WABronco]

In other news: Al Wilson earned defensive player of the week honors.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8930136
DEFENSE: LB AL WILSON, DENVER BRONCOS

Denver linebacker Al Wilson helped the Broncos (3-1) buck their way to a third consecutive victory in a 20-7 win at Jacksonville. Wilson was frequently found making plays around the ball by compiling six tackles, including a sack, two forced fumbles and a pass defensed. His sack and forced fumble in the first quarter gave Denver the ball at the Jaguars' 29-yard line. Wilson keyed a defense that held Jacksonville and standout running back Fred Taylor and the team to a franchise-low 12 rushing yards.

This marks the first Player of the Week honor for Wilson, a three-time AFC All-Star and seven-year veteran from Tennessee.

Come on now, don't bug 'em too much...

[EberKain]

We should link to one of those threads where the Bears fans were saying how Orton was going to tear us apart. There seems to be some symmetry in the discussion im seeing out of the Bronco fans.

[828791Redskins]

Here's an interesting article,since we're digging them up.


Super Bowl XXII
Washington 42, Denver 10


In one of the Super Bowl's superlative displays of passing, Washington's Doug Williams led a second-quarter offensive explosion that clinched a 42-10 victory over Denver. Williams completed 18-of-29 passes for a Super Bowl record 340 yards. He tied a Super Bowl record with four touchdown passes, all of which came in the second quarter.

Trailing 10-0 entering the second quarter, the Redskins went on a scoring binge unmatched in NFL postseason history. Scoring touchdowns on all five of their possessions, they put the game out of reach.

In the first minute of the quarter, Williams connected with wide receiver Ricky Sanders for an 80-yard score. Four minutes later, the quarterback hit wide receiver Gary Clark with a 27-yard touchdown pass. After a 58-yard TD run by running back Timmy Smith, Williams struck again, this time on 50-yard pass to Sanders. The final score of the comeback quarter came on an 8-yard pass to tight end Clint Didier.

Williams' MVP performance is all the more incredible given that he had earlier had to leave game temporarily after a knee-twisting hit.

[akhhorus]

In other news: Al Wilson earned defensive player of the week honors.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8930136
DEFENSE: LB AL WILSON, DENVER BRONCOS

Denver linebacker Al Wilson helped the Broncos (3-1) buck their way to a third consecutive victory in a 20-7 win at Jacksonville. Wilson was frequently found making plays around the ball by compiling six tackles, including a sack, two forced fumbles and a pass defensed. His sack and forced fumble in the first quarter gave Denver the ball at the Jaguars' 29-yard line. Wilson keyed a defense that held Jacksonville and standout running back Fred Taylor and the team to a franchise-low 12 rushing yards.

This marks the first Player of the Week honor for Wilson, a three-time AFC All-Star and seven-year veteran from Tennessee.


Good for him. Moss was Offensive player of the week in week 2. Neither award will mean much come sunday.

[RedskinsDave]

If you take away any plays where the other team made a first down, the Redskins haven't given up any first downs!!

Sorry, the selective dissection was getting old.

[Jon Jansen is money]

A chop block is a 15 yard penalty.

what i meant was you can cut him from the front, not from the back

[WABronco]

If you take away any plays where the other team made a first down, the Redskins haven't given up any first downs!!

Sorry, the selective dissection was getting old.

Yea it is...

[dj_stouty]

Well, Shaun Alexander is a running back.

Yes...and he just happens to be the league's #1 running back in rushing yardage.

Broncos fans tend to downplay how good the Seattle offense really is. They have the #1 rusher and the overall #2 offense in the entire NFL. To think that our defense "hasn't played any high powered offenses" is crazy.

[Keino]

If you take away any plays where the other team made a first down, the Redskins haven't given up any first downs!!

Sorry, the selective dissection was getting old.

Thank You. Im at amazed at people's ability to analyze a performance by effectively removing a number of the positive/negative plays from the overall analysis. It's moronic at best, and usually self serving.

[Sweepea436]

Thank You. Im at amazed at people's ability to analyze a performance by effectively removing a number of the positive/negative plays from the overall analysis. It's moronic at best, and usually self serving.

How are you going to stamp me out like that? I was just about to go with the "if you take away Seattle points, we shut them out" stat. Way to steal my thunder friend....:rolleyes: :lol1:

[Keino]

In other news: Al Wilson earned defensive player of the week honors.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8930136
DEFENSE: LB AL WILSON, DENVER BRONCOS

Denver linebacker Al Wilson helped the Broncos (3-1) buck their way to a third consecutive victory in a 20-7 win at Jacksonville. Wilson was frequently found making plays around the ball by compiling six tackles, including a sack, two forced fumbles and a pass defensed. His sack and forced fumble in the first quarter gave Denver the ball at the Jaguars' 29-yard line. Wilson keyed a defense that held Jacksonville and standout running back Fred Taylor and the team to a franchise-low 12 rushing yards.

This marks the first Player of the Week honor for Wilson, a three-time AFC All-Star and seven-year veteran from Tennessee.

I think you Denver fans would do well to check out this threadhttp://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=29385

As you all can see, most of us respect your team, which is much more than I can say about Orange Mane after reading that nonsensical, smack driven, short on facts and intelligent football discussion thread I had the displeasure of reading through.

It will be a well played game IMO.

As an aside, you guys should really clean up the filth that seems to resonate on that board. The personal attacks on some of our posters were highly un-called for, again, JMO.

[RedskinsDave]

After subjecting myself to more of their homerism I have come to the conclusion that all they do is post on why the other team "sucks". One guy tried to post a thread on Taylor being a beast and of course that was reduced to a grade school assessment of him. And to think they had the audacity to berate the redskins.com board.

[Edskins_RVA]

After subjecting myself to more of their homerism I have come to the conclusion that all they do is post on why the other team "sucks". One guy tried to post a thread on Taylor being a beast and of course that was reduced to a grade school assessment of him. And to think they had the audacity to berate the redskins.com board.
I've given up trying to talk sense to them also.. I can understand passion for your team, but that was a little ridiculous..

[Sweepea436]

After subjecting myself to more of their homerism I have come to the conclusion that all they do is post on why the other team "sucks". One guy tried to post a thread on Taylor being a beast and of course that was reduced to a grade school assessment of him. And to think they had the audacity to berate the redskins.com board.

I saw that. I know they could never bring themselves to give our TEAM props, but I thought they might be able to muster up a little respect for a PLAYER...... I was wrong. Another funny thing over there was a "Non smack Skins" thread..... they had commented that they gave it 10 posts until it was smack talk anyways......it was....but it wasn't skins fans talking junk. Pretty sad actually.

[LightsoutLA]

Bronco's Fans in genreal are homers. Thier so pumped on thier Defense they played Jax last week, thier offense stinks, Chiefs got down early couldn't recover, and Sd wasn't giving the ball to Lt coming out of the back field like they have been the last two games they won. Thier offense is decent but not great they can run the ball and thats where we come in to play our bread and butter is stoping the run, Im sorry Mike Anderson is average but no where close to Shaun Alexander. We will be able to rattle plummer and get pressure on him with LA playing DE. http://www.thehogs.net/html/funzone/thn_taylor200:
devil2:

[dj_stouty]

Most of those guys are uneducated. There are a few, including some of the Denver fans in this thread, who can actually carry a conversation on the game. The rest of them are used to spewing smack rather than talking football.

[ozomulsion]

I just sent a PM to Spider. I'm sure he will come over and carry on a football conversation with ya. I'm always happy to as well.

[LightsoutLA]

Wow really go I between this board and the espn board I really can't find any thats good I have been trying to find one over at the ESPN board cna't find any all they say we held Jax to 12 yards rushing like their running attack is really scary.

[dj_stouty]

I just sent a PM to Spider. I'm sure he will come over and carry on a football conversation with ya. I'm always happy to as well.

Spider has visited us before...and he is always welcome.

Just leave RaiderH8r and the rest of the immature pack back there...

[ozomulsion]

Wow really go I between this board and the espn board I really can't find any thats good I have been trying to find one over at the ESPN board cna't find any all they say we held Jax to 12 yards rushing like their running attack is really scary.

The espn boards remind me to much of football conversations I had in the 2nd grade.

[ozomulsion]

Spider has visited us before...and he is always welcome.

Just leave RaiderH8r and the rest of the immature pack back there...

Yes, I saw some of you mention him. That's why I shot him a PM. Trust me, I wouldn't unleash raiderh8r on any rival board.

[smoak]

Yes, I saw some of you mention him. That's why I shot him a PM. Trust me, I wouldn't unleash raiderh8r on any rival board.

I have to say though, I wouldn't mind seeing a Broncos/Raiders game should the opportunity present itself. I really respect that rivalry and consider it a top 5 in the NFL.

[dj_stouty]

I have to say though, I wouldn't mind seeing a Broncos/Raiders game should the opportunity present itself. I really respect that rivalry and consider it a top 5 in the NFL.

I was in Denver a few years back for a Broncos/Chiefs game. I can't imagine being at a Raiders/Broncos game. I've heard it is crazy...

[ozomulsion]

I was in Denver a few years back for a Broncos/Chiefs game. I can't imagine being at a Raiders/Broncos game. I've heard it is crazy...

I've been to a Bronco/Raider game in Oakland, it was bad. I got beer poured on me...ect. I heard another poster on the mane say, He was in the bathroom and saw a Raider fan take a piss on a 7 year old kid who had an Elway jersey on. Quite frankly, the most hideous thing i've ever heard of. Bar none.

[dj_stouty]

I've been to a Bronco/Raider game in Oakland. It was bad. I got beer poured on me...ect. I heard another poster on the mane say. He was in the bathroom and saw a Raider fan take a piss on a 7 year old kid who had an Elwat jersey on. Quite frankly, the most hideous thing i've ever heard of. Bar none.

Sounds like stuff I've seen at Veterans Stadium several years ago.

Oakland is to the West what Philly is to the East.

[ozomulsion]

Sounds like stuff I've seen at Veterans Stadium several years ago.

Oakland is to the West what Philly is to the East.

Yep, we have a poster from Philly. Only gets to go to Giant and Philly games. Interesting, he said he would never go to a Giants' game again. Said they were worse than Philly fans. Ugg

[chrisbcbu]

Yep, we have a poster from Philly. Only gets to go to Giant and Philly games. Interesting, he said he would never go to a Giants' game again. Said they were worse than Philly fans. Ugg

i have seen something where when New Orleans was playing up there, the Giants crowd was really bashing the NO fans, telling them they got nowhere to live and need to go back to NO to go swimming. Basically making fun of them every which way possible.

[danny's stogie]

I would like to thank the Orange Mane for scorpiosnow's avatar...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=31451

[RedskinsDave]

Yep, we have a poster from Philly. Only gets to go to Giant and Philly games. Interesting, he said he would never go to a Giants' game again. Said they were worse than Philly fans. Ugg

I went to a Giants game last year and they are nowhere near as bad as Philly. Sure they have their morons who tell you to "have fun on the train home" and you get to respond, "we own cars down south, Vinny" but they are still better.

[BurgundyNGold]

I would like to thank the Orange Mane for scorpiosnow's avatar...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=31451
If there is a heaven, that's what it would look like. ;)

[ozomulsion]

I went to a Giants game last year and they are nowhere near as bad as Philly. Sure they have their morons who tell you to "have fun on the train home" and you get to respond, "we own cars down south, Vinny" but they are still better.

Just going by what he told me. :)

[MoeRedskins]

I would like to thank the Orange Mane for scorpiosnow's avatar...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=31451

They have nice avators over there, anybody else notice Baja Fan's?

[akhhorus]

I've been to a Bronco/Raider game in Oakland, it was bad. I got beer poured on me...ect. I heard another poster on the mane say, He was in the bathroom and saw a Raider fan take a piss on a 7 year old kid who had an Elway jersey on. Quite frankly, the most hideous thing i've ever heard of. Bar none.

I got into a fist fight at Fenway Park in the fifth grade during a school trip. Some Boston rednecks threw a beer at one of my classmates, and decided to beat them up. So from a distance, it would look like 20 midgets attacking 3 grown men.

[MONK_in_HOF]

i have seen something where when New Orleans was playing up there, the Giants crowd was really bashing the NO fans, telling them they got nowhere to live and need to go back to NO to go swimming. Basically making fun of them every which way possible.

Wait that can't be right can it? At a New Orleans home game :rolleyes:

I also can't imagine New York sports fans being belligerent. :rolleyes:
However I never saw them being nearly as criminal as the Philly fans.

[WABronco]

I think you Denver fans would do well to check out this threadhttp://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=29385

As you all can see, most of us respect your team, which is much more than I can say about Orange Mane after reading that nonsensical, smack driven, short on facts and intelligent football discussion thread I had the displeasure of reading through.

It will be a well played game IMO.

As an aside, you guys should really clean up the filth that seems to resonate on that board. The personal attacks on some of our posters were highly un-called for, again, JMO.

Don't count me into that group...

[Ibleedburgundy]

When I was 8 years old I went to a preseason game at RFK and this old lady shoved me out of her way and said "damn white people." It was pretty funny. :)

[Spider]

The Mane is a hard place , but to be fair , we have had some skin fans comming over acting like trolls ........

[WABronco]

Bronco's Fans in genreal are homers. Thier so pumped on thier Defense they played Jax last week, thier offense stinks, Chiefs got down early couldn't recover, and Sd wasn't giving the ball to Lt coming out of the back field like they have been the last two games they won. Thier offense is decent but not great they can run the ball and thats where we come in to play our bread and butter is stoping the run, Im sorry Mike Anderson is average but no where close to Shaun Alexander. We will be able to rattle plummer and get pressure on him with LA playing DE. http://www.thehogs.net/html/funzone/thn_taylor200:
devil2:

Homerism exists in every teams fan base, let's face it...

There have been quite a few 'Skins fans come over saying the same junk...

Denver, historically and presently, has one of the best running games in the league, if not the best.

You can compare Anderson and Alexander physically, but you can't compare their running games. Denver's scheme and O-lineman, as a whole, are better than Seattle's. Anderson is perfect for what Denver does in the ground game, you'll see on Sunday if we get the running game established.

And please stop saying that the 'Skins D shut down Alexander...He still had almost 100 yards, plus a TD. And besides, it's not as if it was Alexander single handedly running over your D...The O-line's play a big role, obviously. Using your thinking, the Broncos had a very good defensive game against (which they did) Jacksonville because they held Taylor to 12 yards, simply because Taylor's a top running back. It's just not taking everything into account...The 'Skins probably would've shut down the Jag's too.

[Spence]

Philly fans are the absolute worst. I'd never take my wife or sister or father to Philly for a game. I went myself once and it was quite an experiene. They're no fun when they're travelling either. Every year they start fights at FedEx. EVERY YEAR. It's the only game I ever worry about. I don't like taking my wife, my sister, or my father, who is over 70. Philly fans are drunk long before the game begins and it just goes downhill from there.

[danny's stogie]

If there is a heaven, that's what it would look like. ;)

It's called Oktoberfest and from what I'm told, it is heaven.

[Spider]

Homerism exists in every teams fan base, let's face it...
Chief fan comes to mind also

There have been quite a few 'Skins fans come over saying the same junk... and some realy dont have a firm grasp on the rules of the game .......

Denver, historically and presently, has one of the best running games in the league, if not the best. Zone blocking and cutback lanes , in 10 years no one has realy stopped it .....

You can compare Anderson and Alexander physically, but you can't compare their running games. Denver's scheme and O-lineman, as a whole, are better than Seattle's. Anderson is perfect for what Denver does in the ground game, you'll see on Sunday if we get the running game established.
thats the truth , Gregg Williams is a brilliant D cord ( lousy HC) , stopping Denver is easier said then done , thats why we can plug anyone in @ RB . Anderson does give us the grinding short yardage we need , our weakness is in the TE position , I do like Kyle Johnson and the way he has played ....

And please stop saying that the 'Skins D shut down Alexander...He still had almost 100 yards, plus a TD. And besides, it's not as if it was Alexander single handedly running over your D...The O-line's play a big role, obviously. Using your thinking, the Broncos had a very good defensive game against (which they did) Jacksonville because they held Taylor to 12 yards, simply because Taylor's a top running back. It's just not taking everything into account...The 'Skins probably would've shut down the Jag's too.This will be a slobber knocker , over at the mane , we had a skins poster state Lynch couldnt hit hard , didnt take long to dispute that , took longer explaining the rules :)

[dj_stouty]

This will be a slobber knocker , over at the mane , we had a skins poster state Lynch couldnt hit hard , didnt take long to dispute that , took longer explaining the rules :)

You have to realize that there are two different types of "skins posters" over at the Mane right now. Guys from HailRedskins and guys from Extremeskins. I'll let you decide who hails from which site. It should be obvious.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Chief fan comes to mind also

and some realy dont have a firm grasp on the rules of the game ....... Zone blocking and cutback lanes , in 10 years no one has realy stopped it .....


thats the truth , Gregg Williams is a brilliant D cord ( lousy HC) , stopping Denver is easier said then done , thats why we can plug anyone in @ RB . Anderson does give us the grinding short yardage we need , our weakness is in the TE position , I do like Kyle Johnson and the way he has played ....

This will be a slobber knocker , over at the mane , we had a skins poster state Lynch couldnt hit hard , didnt take long to dispute that , took longer explaining the rules :)

Knowing the rules of the game? Some of the guys at orange mane think those helmet to helmet Lynch hits are clean and legal. Spearing and H to H is all Lynch knows. You guys were talking about Sean Taylor tackling high but I don't see Lynch going for the legs very often either.

I hope the rest of the league shares your stance on Coach Williams. That way we can keep him here in Washington longer.

I read where a poster said Lynch was not feared as much anymore and probably less feared than Sean Taylor. All those hits you guys posted were dirty. Seriously, does someone have to die before players will stop doing that?

[Spider]

Knowing the rules of the game? Some of the guys at orange mane think those helmet to helmet Lynch hits are clean and legal. Spearing and H to H is all Lynch knows. You guys were talking about Sean Taylor tackling high but I don't see Lynch going for the legs very often either.
I didnt mention anything about Taylors hitting , but it is clear you guys dont understand the H2H rule , see in those clips , they were not H2H , 2 of them were hitting a defensless reciever , big difference ...... and you cant have a H2H on a running back comming over the LOS , if so every back would lower his head and take an easy 15 ........


I read where a poster said Lynch was not feared as much anymore and probably less feared than Sean Taylor. All those hits you guys posted were dirty. Seriously, does someone have to die before players will stop doing that?
They wasnt dirty , just like the Chop block vs the Cut block debate over there ...... it is a rough game , always has been always will be .......

[CNYSkinFan]

Philly fans are the absolute worst. I'd never take my wife or sister or father to Philly for a game. I went myself once and it was quite an experiene. They're no fun when they're travelling either. Every year they start fights at FedEx. EVERY YEAR. It's the only game I ever worry about. I don't like taking my wife, my sister, or my father, who is over 70. Philly fans are drunk long before the game begins and it just goes downhill from there.

Ever been to Buffalo. I went there to see the Skins during the last Spurrier year and I literally feared for my life. One guy made the mistake of being loud and boisterous as redskin fan before the game even started they mercilessly through beer and made fun of him for 40 minutes straight.

In Buffalo it seemed the fans were more interested in the police lined around the stadium and watching the bright green parkas rush to break up fights. Classy people in Buffalo.

[ozomulsion]

Ever been to Buffalo. I went there to see the Skins during the last Spurrier year and I literally feared for my life. One guy made the mistake of being loud and boisterous as redskin fan before the game even started they mercilessly through beer and made fun of him for 40 minutes straight.

In Buffalo it seemed the fans were more interested in the police lined around the stadium and watching the bright green parkas rush to break up fights. Classy people in Buffalo.

Come to think of it. I think it was a Buffalo game that our Philly fan said he'd never go back to. Not a Giants game.

[redskin_rich]

Ever been to Buffalo. I went there to see the Skins during the last Spurrier year and I literally feared for my life. One guy made the mistake of being loud and boisterous as redskin fan before the game even started they mercilessly through beer and made fun of him for 40 minutes straight.

In Buffalo it seemed the fans were more interested in the police lined around the stadium and watching the bright green parkas rush to break up fights. Classy people in Buffalo.
At FedEx, we cherish our $7 beer's too much to throw them at anybody. :stout:

[dj_stouty]

At FedEx, we cherish our $7 beer's too much to throw them at anybody. :stout:

Post of the day. (and oh, so true!)

[Ratboy]

Ever been to Buffalo. I went there to see the Skins during the last Spurrier year and I literally feared for my life. One guy made the mistake of being loud and boisterous as redskin fan before the game even started they mercilessly through beer and made fun of him for 40 minutes straight.

In Buffalo it seemed the fans were more interested in the police lined around the stadium and watching the bright green parkas rush to break up fights. Classy people in Buffalo.

I've been to Buffalo a few years ago when they played houston, It wasnt too bad for me, i wasnt rooting for any team. Although a few sections down the security escorted somebody out, the crowd chanted "a**hole" for about 15 seconds.

I'm going to the Broncos/Bills game December 17th. I really hope i don't have a horrible time rooting for the Broncos, I'd hate for some arrogant drunk to pull some immature crap.

[dj_stouty]

I've been to Buffalo a few years ago when they played houston, It wasnt too bad for me, i wasnt rooting for any team. Although a few sections down the security escorted somebody out, the crowd chanted "a**hole" for about 15 seconds.

I'm going to the Broncos/Bills game December 17th. I really hope i don't have a horrible time rooting for the Broncos, I'd hate for some arrogant drunk to pull some immature crap.

Is the Chiefs/Chargers rivalry heated very much?

I'm going to SD to watch the SD/KC game later this month, and was wondering if it was going to be rowdy or not. (I'm bringing a very young child)

[Ratboy]

Is the Chiefs/Chargers rivalry heated very much?

I'm going to SD to watch the SD/KC game later this month, and was wondering if it was going to be rowdy or not. (I'm bringing a very young child)

I don't think the Chargers have "Rivalries". They've been in the cellar for 10 years. I know when it comes to the Broncos, The Chargers are nothing compared to Chiefs or Raiders. I think fans help you hate the teams too, We get 1 Sandy Eggo fan over at Orange Mane. They are close to extinction.

[ozomulsion]

Is the Chiefs/Chargers rivalry heated very much?

I'm going to SD to watch the SD/KC game later this month, and was wondering if it was going to be rowdy or not. (I'm bringing a very young child)

No, not really. Charger fans just aren't real patinate as a whole. You should expect a very calm environment at the game. No worries my friend.

[golongdude]

Ever been to Buffalo?

Several of my friends are from Buffalo and I've visited. Here's the deal: snow, beer, skiing, football & hockey. And absolutely nothing else whatsoever. They can be a tough crowd because they take their football and hockey SERIOUSLY.

[redskin_rich]

Several of my friends are from Buffalo and I've visited. Here's the deal: snow, beer, skiing, football & hockey. And absolutely nothing else whatsoever. They can be a tough crowd because they take their football and hockey SERIOUSLY.
You forgot about Genny cream ale and wings. :)
They have a little attitude like Philly, since both towns have had great teams that have failed to win it all. I imagine Denver was that way until the mid '90's...

[danny's stogie]

You forgot about Genny cream ale and wings. :)


Genny is the one thing I definitely don't miss about upstate...way too many kegs filled with that junk...I never thought I'd need a chaser to drink beer.


Hey Bronco fans...how do you guys treat the opposing fans? I might be going to the game sunday and I want to know if I should bring my flak jacket.

[redskin_rich]

Genny is the one thing I definitely don't miss about upstate...way too many kegs filled with that junk...I never thought I'd need a chaser to drink beer.

I don't like that watered-down crap either but like you said, it is prominent up there.

[golongdude]

Colorado is one state I could seriously get into for a roadtrip. But not during their annual 'firesale' season. :)

Or maybe I should make that :(

Anyhow, I've spoken to people here in Richmond and some family members and hear it is a pretty upscale place. Should be one of the better places to watch a game. People are, supposedly, less rabid and demented than east coasters. And more accomodating. But that is just the impression they give me of the place.

I'd say I'd feel safer as a Skins fan in Denver than perhaps the other way around (not that FedEx is that bad).

[golongdude]

I don't like that watered-down crap either but like you said, it is prominent up there.

Dude, it's so cold in Buffalo they don't even taste their beer. So it is as if it doesn't even matter to them.

[Biggie]

Colorado is one state I could seriously get into for a roadtrip. But not during their annual 'firesale' season. :)

Or maybe I should make that :(

Anyhow, I've spoken to people here in Richmond and some family members and hear it is a pretty upscale place. Should be one of the better places to watch a game. People are, supposedly, less rabid and demented than east coasters. And more accomodating. But that is just the impression they give me of the place.

Every place is more accomodating than Lincoln Financial.

[golongdude]

Honestly, as I am still tracking baseball, I can't recall what city you are talking about when you mention some damn business name stadium- it's all over the place. I absolutely hate the state of corporate sports today!!!! :banghead:

<rant off>

[ozomulsion]

Genny is the one thing I definitely don't miss about upstate...way too many kegs filled with that junk...I never thought I'd need a chaser to drink beer.


Hey Bronco fans...how do you guys treat the opposing fans? I might be going to the game sunday and I want to know if I should bring my flak jacket.

We are fairly corgile to opposing fans. As long as you don't make an ass of yourself, i'm sure you know this. You will get some good natured hekling but nothing bad. We have some wine and cheesers, I want to yell at them more than I want to yell at opposing fans.

[BallhawkOM]

Homerism exists in every teams fan base, let's face it...



Hey Skin fans, want to start off saying here is to a good, injury free game.

Yes we Bronco Fans are in full homer mode right now, but with good cause. After embareassing ourselves opening week and falling behind against SD, we have been a dominating team for the most part and we have yet to play a great game. I am really looking forward to this matchup to see if our Offense has made any strides and can execute against a very solid D. I think 17 points may be enough to win this game. Not that I am bashing on your O, but our D has been that dominant. We held KC to 3 pts (garbage TDs dont count when yoou are down 30-3) we held Jax to 7 points and SD to 17 (who has scored back to back 40+). All in all I would say we expect our D to contain just about anyone to under 14.

I think if you somehow pull out a victory, it would be a great, yet highly improbable win.

A few things to look for that will give you a chanse to win:

1. Penalties, Our D is causing a lot of holding and false starts because opposing teams are having a very hard time going one on one with our Dline. If you can keep these to a minimum you will have a better chance to control field position.

2. Time of Possesion, If we win this battle in the first half, there will be no Dallasesque comeback. We really have 7 starting Dlineman. I not saying they are all probowl, but you need a certain talent level to start in the NFL, so we are very deep there. Also in the 2nd half you will see fresh legs in Bell and in the high altitude you do not want to be tired going into the forth qrt.

I would add TOs but, I do not even think if you did get a couple it would over come the 2 things above.

[chrisbcbu]

Your problem with the matchup Sunday is that, despite the fact these are 2 of the top 4 or 5 defenses in the league, the Broncos ground game WILL move the ball - at some point - especially at home. After all, Jax was supposedly NAILS against the run, with Henderson and Stroud stuffing the middle, but gave up about 190 . . . in THEIR STADIUM.

You do realize that Jax is ranked 29th against the run.

And you could perhaps beat us, but no way you guys score 27. I just dont see ur offense scoring that many.

[BroncoBuff1]

Not much respect from the Orange Mane...
NOT TRUE, RoanokeSkin! I'm an OrangeMane.com regular, and several of your fine ambassadors visited our little site just yesterday.

Your team's problem with the matchup this Sunday is that, despite the fact these are 2 of the top four or five defenses in the league, the Broncos ground game WILL move the ball - at some point - especially at home. After all, Jax was supposedly NAILS against the run, with Henderson and Stroud stuffing the middle. But they but gave up about 190 . . . in THEIR STADIUM.

When the Denver running game does score, after chewing up some clock, Gibbs will have no choice but to go vertical. And medicore passing teams like the Redskins - (notwithstanding the last 2 min vs. Dallas - WELL DONE, btw:beer: ) - when coming from behind - get buried in Denver.

And, btw, this Denver defense is truly a MONSTER. Don't let the grotesque opener in Miami fool you. Jax managed 11 rushes for 12 yards . . . in THEIR building. Chiefs didn't do much better.

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Here's some of our back-and-forth on orangemane.com. Maybe you'll recognize a few of your bretheren. I thought "Orange Beard" was a very witty username - too bad his posts didn't meet that standard. I thought my response to them was very respectful:


OK, let's not go overboard here. As 2KBack said, fan bases have a 3-1 dolt to knowledgeable poster ratio. You and I are just spoiled because we usually post over at hailredskins.com, where knowledgeable Redskin fans are far more prevalent. Unlike extremeskins.com. They take just about anybody over there.
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Posted by Orange Beard: in Denver or any other redneck town, the fans are homer morans, any you guys take the cake, and your beer is overrated
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Posted by REDSKIN87: Looks like you been ridin' around on a bicycle with out a seat, either that or somebody duct taped your face to Joe Gibb's ass.
I for one give the Redskins organization SERIOUS respect. And Redskins fans are right there at the top . . . it's one of the top 2 or 3 franchises in the NFL.

But Denver should rightly be listed in that company, too:

1. Broncos fans are the greatest - tied for #1 with Wash probably. Lots of people say SF and Dal, too - problem is, they often don't even sell out home games during successive losing seasons. Giants are close, but too huge a market to compare. Broncos sold out every home game for a solid decade BEFORE their first-ever winning season, 1973, despite being then-smallest NFL market (other than Green Bay. Den has grown since then - #19 market now).

2. The last time a seat was available for purchase, Lyndon Johnson was president.

3. SIX Super Bowls - second most: 2 behind Dallas, 1 ahead of NE

4. Owner Pat Bowlen among top 2 or 3 most influential - probably second only to Jerry Jones. NFL Network was Bowlen's idea.
Redskins fans are legend, too, of course (they've probably sold out since FDR), and the team's heritage tops Denver - hell, it tops every team but Bears, Packers, Giants, Cowboys.

But the Redskins can no longer claim elite ownership.

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All that said . . . sorry, Redskins fans . . . this Sunday:

BRONCOS 27
REDSKINS 6
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Feel free to paste that into your little Redskins site :moon2:

[akhhorus]

NOT TRUE, RoanokeSkin! I'm an OrangeMane.com regular, and several of your fine ambassadors visited our little site just yesterday.

Your team's problem with the matchup this Sunday is that, despite the fact these are 2 of the top four or five defenses in the league, the Broncos ground game WILL move the ball - at some point - especially at home. After all, Jax was supposedly NAILS against the run, with Henderson and Stroud stuffing the middle. But they but gave up about 190 . . . in THEIR STADIUM.

Everyone has run on Jax this year. They're 29th against the run. Stroud and Henderson stop the inside runs, but they have nothing at DE/OLB to stop Rbs. And no, Denver will have a ton of trouble trying to run the ball.

When the Denver running game does score, after chewing up some clock, Gibbs will have no choice but to go vertical. And medicore passing teams like the Redskins - (notwithstanding the last 2 min vs. Dallas - WELL DONE, btw:beer: ) - when coming from behind - get buried in Denver.

Yes, medicore passing team that converted a ton of 3rd and longs last week and Qb that has a much better passer rating than Plummer. I'll take my chances with Moss versus a hobbled Champ or a rookie.

And, btw, this Denver defense is truly a MONSTER. Don't let the grotesque opener in Miami fool you. Jax managed 11 rushes for 12 yards . . . in THEIR building. Chiefs didn't do much better.

8 rushes for 12 yards. And their offense is terrible. Also, statistically, the Skins defense and the Broncos defense are almost identical.

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Here's some of our back-and-forth on orangemane.com. Maybe you'll recognize a few of your bretheren. I thought "Orange Beard" was a very witty username - too bad his posts didn't meet that standard. I thought my response to them was very respectful:



2. The last time a seat was available for purchase, Lyndon Johnson was president.


The Skins have been selling out their stadium for over 50 years. The waiting list for season tickets is measured in decades.

3. SIX Super Bowls - second most: 2 behind Dallas, 1 ahead of NE

three blowouts don't count, one by the Skins. 2 wins you have.

[BroncoBuff1]

You do realize that Jax is ranked 29th against the run.

IS ranked #29 against the run - the key word is "IS" - as in - after we left!

I think it's way too early to go by league-wide rankings. For example, we were pulverized in our opener @ Miami . . . but since halftime of the next game, we are a very different team.

You've undoubtedly heard we have 4 new former Brown DL (we call them the "Brown-cos" - very witty, eh?) . . .

AND former Bronco LBs Ian Gold and Keith Burns re-signed with the team in the off-season - with Gold's signing forcing a move of '04 super-rookie D.J. Williams from the Will LB position to the Sam position AND we drafted 3 rookie corners - two of who have played extensively (Dominique Foxworth finally knocked Cadillac out of the "Diet Pepsi Rookie of the Week" award yesterday).

LONG STORY, SHORT . . . it took them a game and-a-half to gel - or at least that's what we're telling ourselves.

[smoak]

BroncoBuff1

I honestly tried to get a little discussion going on orangemane and most of what I read was as follows:

1. Redskins have no TEs
2. Redskins can't stop our running game
3. Sean Taylor is a thug
4. Redskins WRs are too short

Honestly, after about 5 posts I just gave up.

Regarding your thoughts. I certainly respect the Denver running game, but I will take our run defense over any in the league. It'll be a great matchup that I am really looking forward to seeing. I als think Portis is goign to have a tough time getting on track because 1) our run blocking hasn't looked as physically dominating or passionate like it id in preseason and 2) the Broncos may have arguably the best group of LBs in the league... If I were Gibbs, I'd think about coming out in a lot of 3 and 4 WR sets trying to keep the Broncos in a nickle defense. Despite what you think, our passing game has never really struggled this year in terms of moving the football. We've just struggled to score until the 4th quarter against dallass.

I really do agree that Skins and Broncos both have great fan bases. I am critical of Skins fans because we have gone so soft lately, but it is nothing that a winning season can't cure.

I certainly wouldn't brag about all the Super Bowls when a lot of them were some of the most lopsided losses in SB history. But that is just me. I would brag about the back-2-back wins, but not going to 6 when you guys got killed so many times. I certainly talk more about the three trophies we have rather than the two losses.

Regarding the game on Sunday, I am not a big one for predictions, but I know the score won't be that lopsided. I gaurantee that win or lose, Denver players will not be cracking jokes on the sidelines about the Skins not playing hard. At the end of regulation, you'll know you played a darn good football team.

[akhhorus]

IS ranked #29 against the run - the key word is "IS" - as in - after we left!

Yes, but Shaun Alexander ran for 6 yards per carry against them, Edge James had 130 yards against them, Curtis Martin(who looks finished by the way) had his best game against them(4+ ypc). They aren't a great run defense.

I think it's way too early to go by league-wide rankings. For example, we were pulverized in our opener @ Miami . . . but since halftime of the next game, we are a very different team.

You've undoubtedly heard we have 4 new former Brown DL (we call them the "Brown-cos" - very witty, eh?) . . .

AND former Bronco LBs Ian Gold and Keith Burns re-signed with the team in the off-season - with Gold's signing forcing a move of '04 super-rookie D.J. Williams from the Will LB position to the Sam position AND we drafted 3 rookie corners - two of who have played extensively (Dominique Foxworth finally knocked Cadillac out of the "Diet Pepsi Rookie of the Week" award yesterday).

LONG STORY, SHORT . . . it took them a game and-a-half to gel - or at least that's what we're telling ourselves.

The Broncos have a good defense. No one here has said otherwise. The Redskins have just as good, if not better defense.

[BroncoBuff1]

The Skins have been selling out their stadium for over 50 years. The waiting list for season tickets is measured in decades.

three blowouts don't count, one by the Skins. 2 wins you have.

Shouldda read my entire post, Horus . . . actually, I gave your sellouts TOO MUCH credit. I said "since FDR," but you corrected me, THANKS! OK, it's been just 50 years, as you say. So since Eisenhower - 2 presidents later than I guessed.

And, yes, we were 'blown out' twice, and soundly beaten two other times. But we reversed a 10+ year NFC streak with back-to-backs behind the winningest QB in NFL history.

Ask anybody, my friend - that spells "R-E-D-E-M-P-T-I-O-N"!

Besides, next to our SF-Den Super Bowl, which was admittedly the most one-sided Super Bowl ever . . . :smash: which other Super Bowl was over before halftime . . . hmmmmm..... I'm getting a picture . . . no, not Denver-Gainst (Den led 10-9 @ half) . . .

Hmmmm . . . I'm getting a picture . . . . is it . . . January 1984?

[Keino]

Gotta read the whole post, Horus . . . I actually gave you TOO much credit. I said "since FDR," but you corrected me, THANKS! It's been just 50 years, as you say. So since Eisenhower - 2 presidents later than I guessed.

And, yes, we were 'blown out' twice, and soundly beaten two other times. But we reversed a 10+ year NFC streak with back-to-backs behind the winningest QB in NFL history.

Ask anybody, my friend - that spells "R-E-D-E-M-P-T-I-O-N"!

Besides, next to our SF-Den Super Bowl, which was admittedly the most one-sided Super Bowl ever . . . :smash: which other Super Bowl was over before halftime . . . hmmmmm..... I'm getting a picture . . . no, not Denver-Gainst (Den led 10-9 @ half) . . .

Hmmmm . . . I'm getting a picture . . . . is it . . . January 1984?

Wow. All that to say that the Redskins have 3 Superbowl Rings to Denver's 2. We measure Superbowls in Victories, not appearences my friend. Now in Philly, you can talk appearances all day, that's their language......

[BallhawkOM]

BroncoBuff1

I honestly tried to get a little discussion going on orangemane and most of what I read was as follows:

1. Redskins have no TEs
2. Redskins can't stop our running game
3. Sean Taylor is a thug
4. Redskins WRs are too short



1. Cooly has looked decent.
2. It is not about stopping the run but doing so without losing ontainment on the bootlegs. Your D will make Plays, and our O will make plays. It will be more about controlling the clock with these Ds.
3. Wouldn't say he is a thug, but he is immature and very talented.
4. LOL, not sure who said that but we have a DB that is 5-8 that we all love, so maybe it was a compliment.

[BroncoBuff1]

Wow. All that to say that the Redskins have 3 Superbowl Rings to Denver's 2. We measure Superbowls in Victories, not appearences my friend. Now in Philly, you can talk appearances all day, that's their language......
"Appearances" matter in Philly, Buffalo and Minnestota, right? And until 3 1/2 years ago, Boston.

Actually (and this is something we became VERY used to pointing out) Conference Championships mean something! They DO! Honest!

(really!)

They do.

Now, this time I'm serious: CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS are a big deal!!

They are!

It's in the Bible, people!

[smoak]

1. Cooly has looked decent.
2. It is not about stopping the run but doing so without losing ontainment on the bootlegs. Your D will make Plays, and our O will make plays. It will be more about controlling the clock with these Ds.
3. Wouldn't say he is a thug, but he is immature and very talented.
4. LOL, not sure who said that but we have a DB that is 5-8 that we all love, so maybe it was a compliment.

1. Cooley has improved each game and Robert Royal is a guy no D should sleep on... The last thing you want to see is that ugly TD dance of his. :D

2. I agree that Denver poses different challenges than any team we've played to date and it will be great to watch the chess matchup.

3. Sure he is immature. I think he is 22, and I know I wouldn't have made all the best decisions in the universe if I was a multi-millionaire at 22. The only thing he has done was the incident over the summer, which I still think will be dropped. There has been ZERO evidence reported through the media that he did anything wrong... Just accusations. Coaches love the kid. Gregg Williams called him the most talented player he has ever coached (quite a compliment) and loves being around the guy. Players love him. To a man nobody has come out and said anything abd about Taylor. Fans love him. Aside from the fact that he is ultra talented, the boards here are littered with people who met him and said he is such a really nice guy. I had my fill when all the Broncos fans were ripping him and saying they would never want Taylor on their team. Who are they kidding? Themselves? I certainly think the Broncos have some players I'd take in a second.

4. It certainly wasn't throw out as a compliment, but hey we all know in the NFL that short people got plenty reason to smile... as long as they are fast. :D

[smoak]

"Appearances" matter in Philly, Buffalo and Minnestota, right? And until 3 1/2 years ago, Boston.

Actually (and this is something we became VERY used to pointing out) Conference Championships mean something! They DO! Honest!

(really!)

They do.

Now, this time I'm serious: CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS are a big deal!!

They are!

It's in the Bible, people!

I agree that conference and division championships mean something...

Just not near 1/100th of a Super Bowl victory. I was really just a kid when the Skins won our three, and while I wouldn't say I took them for granted, I just didn't understand how difficult it was to get them (Gibbs made it look easy) and how much I really should respect the accomplishment.

[BroncoBuff1]

The Broncos have a good defense. No one here has said otherwise. The Redskins have just as good, if not better defense.
OK, you say we have a "good" defense.

I'll be back Sunday at 8 p.m. eastern time to point out that "good" is far too light a modifier. If you score more than 10 OFFENSIVE points (possessions starting OUTSIDE Den 40), you can change my OrangeMane avatar to your choice for a week . . .

If you DON'T, vice-versa on hailRedskins . . .

Whaddya say? :readme:

[BallhawkOM]

3. I had my fill when all the Broncos fans were ripping him and saying they would never want Taylor on their team. Who are they kidding? Themselves? I certainly think the Broncos have some players I'd take in a second.



Really? They had a "Which player would you steal" Thread, and Taylor won with like 95% of the votes.

[Keino]

OK, you say we have a "good" defense.

I'll be back Sunday at 8 p.m. eastern time to point out that "good" is far too light a modifier. If you score more than 10 OFFENSIVE points (possessions starting OUTSIDE Den 40), you can change my OrangeMane avatar to your choice for a week . . .

If you DON'T, vice-versa on hailRedskins . . .

Whaddya say? :readme:

Why the condition of outside of 40 yards? Sureley a testament to our defense is giving us the ball within your 40 isn't it? And Vice-Versa of course......