Mike Anderson

[jonesy]

We better be ready, he is healthy and one tough SOB. If Shaun Alexander can run thru Lemar Marshall like he did and our O can't stay on the field on that D...I am a little worried about keeping the streak alive.

Broncos present a tough WC offense, and an aggressive tough D...

Seattle worked our D in the 2nd half.

This will be a good tough game. I just took a bet w/ 7pts with a friend in CO.

[Santheb]

I'm not worried about streaks or whatever, I just want the team to win. Mike Anderson could rush for 50 yards or 150 yards, as long as the Skins win.

[redwolf1218]

didnt they dangle Mike Anderson as trade bait a couple of years ago, with no one biting? they keep trying to put people in front of him like he's a backup, but he stays healthy and gets the job back. he's solid, but i dont think he's in the same realm as Alexander by any means. we havent allowed a 100 yard rusher in a long time, and since we could hold Alexander to 98 (13 yards in the first half) even with his long runs, then we should be able to stop Anderson.

[Sonoma]

Denver will always have a good running game no matter who is back there. I think we all know we need to make Jake beat us.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Mike Anderson has lost a step. In the Chiefs game he had a shot at the end zone with just one man to beat. For a top tier RB there would be two choices: go wide and out run the LB or try and dive through the LB. Anderson tried to use his speed and when he realized he needed to try and power his way in and Greg Wesley stuffed him bad for a two yard loss. In his prime, Mike Anderson converts that into a TD every time. Clinton Portis converts that in to a TD. Tatum Bell is a non factor-no power, no vision, decent speed but he doesn't use it well like Portis. I'm worried about their passing game and Jake the snake scrambling. Our defensive line was outran by Hasselback several times. Gonna be hard for them to catch Jake.

Anyhow, I think Sean Alexander is light years better than Mike Anderson. And Seattle has a pretty darn good O-line, comparable to Denver's. Redskins can win this game but it's gonna be the toughest one yet.

[CornerBlitz]

Im scared of Plummer "snaking" around the backfield. Anderson is good but we have played better running backs this year. Seattle and Denver are similar offenses with great offensive linemen and quarterbacks.

[akhhorus]

Anderson is a good back and still a 1000 yard back despite a bunch of injury problems, but he's a power back and thats the wrong kind of back to try and run with against the Skins' defense. They would be better off trying to use misdirection with Tatem Bell.

[redskin_rich]

Anderson is a good back and still a 1000 yard back despite a bunch of injury problems, but he's a power back and thats the wrong kind of back to try and run with against the Skins' defense. They would be better off trying to use misdirection with Tatem Bell.
I agree, the backs with speed scare me a lot more, with our defense. Not that we don't have speed, 'cause we do, but because of our aggressiveness against the run.

[D-Ruck #8]

What do you expect, he's an ex-marine.

[jonesy]

ex marine who likes his blunts.

he could give Lemar and Warrick trouble.

[skins74]

ex marine who likes his blunts.

he could give Lemar and Warrick trouble.


:rolleyes:

He is good but Shaun Alexander is better, I think he gets 75 yards rushing.

[bigsetz]

In light of all this controversy over him, who thinks that Lavar might possibly be put in as a Qb spy since plummer's been known to run. If anyone could, he can stop that bootleg as long as he stays at home and doesnt fall for the fake. I could sense some big plays and hits if they use him in that kind of scenario. Thoughts?

[ozomulsion]

Clinton Portis converts that in to a TD. Tatum Bell is a non factor-no power, no vision, decent speed but he doesn't use it well like Portis.

I'm not sure where you get your evaluation of Bell from but it's bad wrong. He does have power. He has great vision as well. Bell is a future star, mark my words. The only reason he isn't starting is because he has trouble pass blocking. He's actually not bad at this but Mike is simply great. Also, staying healthy is the only other concern.

Doesn't know how to use his speed? Say what? The kid is averaging over 5 yards a pop for his career. Hopefully he'll get a chance to prove you wrong on Sunday.

[flave1969]

Mike Anderson is a good back, but he is not Shaun Alexander, and yes we kept another premier running back under 100 yards. For much of the game we kept Alexander under wraps and I think we can keep Mike Anderson under wraps as well. Where we were weak last week was stopping Hasselbeck on those quick hitting passes and we have to watch Plummer also because he can be effective.

Like any team if you can knock them out of their rythmn you can beat them, Denver are no exception. This will be the toughest game so far but we can win. The Offense improves every week and our D continues to get the job done. Hopefully it will continue.

[akhhorus]

I'm not sure where you get your evaluation of Bell from but it's bad wrong. He does have power. He has great vision as well. Bell is a future star, mark my words. The only reason he isn't starting is because he has trouble pass blocking. He's actually not bad at this but Mike is simply great. Also, staying healthy is the only other concern.

Doesn't know how to use his speed? Say what? The kid is averaging over 5 yards a pop for his career. Hopefully he'll get a chance to prove you wrong on Sunday.

Im sorry but while Tatum Bell has shown flashes, he's never started a game, nor had more than 17 carries in a game(and most of his biggest games seem to be against bad defenses or in garbage time). If he was a star waiting to happen, he would be in over Anderson because he's a much better fit for Denver's running attack. He has obvious talent, but how can you come to a conclusion that he's a star when he's averaging about 6 carries a game for his career? Let's see him get 200+ carries in one season and see how he does.

[smoak]

I certainly don't see anything special in Bell, and sorry, but helping in pass blocking is a huge part of what a RB has to do to get on the field. Saying Bell is great but weak in blitz pickup is just like saying a RB is great but can't make a defender miss... It comes with the job description.

[skins74]

I certainly don't see anything special in Bell, and sorry, but helping in pass blocking is a huge part of what a RB has to do to get on the field. Saying Bell is great but weak in blitz pickup is just like saying a RB is great but can't make a defender miss... It comes with the job description.


Just ask Trung Canidate

[jonesy]

Quintan Griffin was just picked back up....he is a shifty SOB....he will want to prove he still belongs....

This will be such an interesting game!!!

[Ibleedburgundy]

Quintan Griffin was just picked back up....he is a shifty SOB....he will want to prove he still belongs....

This will be such an interesting game!!!

Why did they drop Griffin?

[bwparker]

Why did they drop Griffin?
Injury mostly I think...he was still recovering and they didn't want to sit around waiting for him to get back to full str.

[Agrawog]

Does anyone else think that our off-season study and implementation of Denver's running plays for Clinton will help our defense get ready for the game? I mean we should have some familiarity with the darn 'stretch' play by now, right?

We always talk about the offense having to go against the defense to improve, well this should be the opposite, right?

[bwparker]

Injury mostly I think...he was still recovering and they didn't want to sit around waiting for him to get back to full str.
Here's what worries me about Denver's rushing attack.(Besides their tendency to end D-lineman's careers with those damn blocks).

As many people have stated, anyone could run for 1k in Denver. Its because they have the scheme and the o-line to get it done on the ground, not because of unstoppable talent. I think our Defense succeeds in much the same way. We have good players, but more importantly we have role players. We succeed because of scheme, not because of mind boggling talent(for the most part).

I think sound scheme and excecution trump talent most of the time. So what happens when our sound solid strong schemed Defensive goes against a run team of equal quality? Thats what is keeping me up at night.

[bwparker]

Does anyone else think that our off-season study and implementation of Denver's running plays for Clinton will help our defense get ready for the game? I mean we should have some familiarity with the darn 'stretch' play by now, right?

We always talk about the offense having to go against the defense to improve, well this should be the opposite, right?
to an extent, yes. On the other hand. Their Defense will probably have an equal advantage over OUR offense...and so far, we don't run it as well.

[jonesy]

maybe the o-line can watch and learn lol

[ozomulsion]

Im sorry but while Tatum Bell has shown flashes, he's never started a game, nor had more than 17 carries in a game(and most of his biggest games seem to be against bad defenses or in garbage time). If he was a star waiting to happen, he would be in over Anderson because he's a much better fit for Denver's running attack. He has obvious talent, but how can you come to a conclusion that he's a star when he's averaging about 6 carries a game for his career? Let's see him get 200+ carries in one season and see how he does.
Well, Bell got all but two carries in the Miami game. He had 17 carries for 123 yards(7.2YPC). Bell had a broken finger at the start of last season. Then was nursing a hammy for most of last year. It's hard to average many carries nursing those injuries. When he finally got healthy he shined. As for your other questions, I answered them in my other post. I'll repost it.
I certainly don't see anything special in Bell, and sorry, but helping in pass blocking is a huge part of what a RB has to do to get on the field. Saying Bell is great but weak in blitz pickup is just like saying a RB is great but can't make a defender miss... It comes with the job description.
Already answered this. Bell is good in blitz pick up but Anderson is infallible.
Just ask Trung Canidate
I sure hope you're joking. We have a Steeler fan on the mane who likes to compare compare Tatum to Trung. That is nothing but a joke.
Clinton Portis converts that in to a TD.
How many TDs does Portis have this year? How many TDs did he have last year. That's right, seven.
I'm not sure where you get your evaluation of Bell from but it's bad wrong. He does have power. He has great vision as well. Bell is a future star, mark my words. The only reason he isn't starting is because he has trouble pass blocking. He's actually not bad at this but Mike is simply great. Also, staying healthy is the only other concern.

Doesn't know how to use his speed? Say what? The kid is averaging over 5 yards a pop for his career. Hopefully he'll get a chance to prove you wrong on Sunday.
You will see in my above post. I said he is a future star not a star.

[STaylor#21]

"I sure hope you're joking. We have a Steeler fan on the mane who likes to compare compare Tatum to Trung. That is nothing but a joke."


What does this have anything to do with? Do Steeler fans know all?

[akhhorus]

Well, Bell got all but two carries in the Miami game. He had 17 carries for 123 yards(7.2YPC). Bell had a broken finger at the start of last season. Then was nursing a hammy for most of last year. It's hard to average many carries nursing those injuries. When he finally got healthy he shined. As for your other questions, I answered them in my other post. I'll repost it.

He played in plenty of games. 14 in 2004. He has looked good at times, but before you call him even a future star, he needs to have a good season.

I sure hope you're joking. We have a Steeler fan on the mane who likes to compare compare Tatum to Trung. That is nothing but a joke.

Let's compare them:
Tatum Bell: 18 games played, 108 carries 550 yards 5.1 average 3 TDs 7 catches 99 yards
Trung Candidate, first 18 games played: 81 carries, 447 yards 5.5 average 6 TDs 18 catches, 158 yards

Looks awfully close to me.

How many TDs does Portis have this year? How many TDs did he have last year. That's right, seven.

And how inept was the Skins' offense last year? And how many TDs have they scored this year in 3 games?

You will see in my above post. I said he is a future star not a star.

He needs to show much more before you can say that. He has shown flashes, but little more than that.

[bwparker]

He needs to show much more before you can say that. He has shown flashes, but little more than that.
I mean this in the least confrontational way possible. But isn't "flashes" exactly what defines a "future star". If he had shown more than flashes, he'd be a current star, no future needed.

Along with that, future stars are always debatable. Because that label is attempting to predict the future, which no one is ever consistently right about and no one can agree on, so the term is kinda meaningless.

Basically, He says - he says Tatum's flashes are enough to show that he can be a star in this league. And you say, until he is a star, then he isn't a star - future star means nothing. That doesn't necessarily mean he's NOT a future star, just that the term is meaningless. So you both are right....and wrong...sort of. right?

[smoak]

Already answered this. Bell is good in blitz pick up but Anderson is infallible.


I don't see enough Bronco games to say with certainty, but I've heard blitz pickup is the #1 reason Bell isn't getting more time on the field. I certainly wouldn't call him "good" if it is keeping a future star off the field.

[MDSkins#1]

first off, mike anderson is no where near being as good as Shaun Alexander and will never be. I give MA btw 50-75 yds max against our d. we r very good against the run and havent allowed an 100 yd rusher in 8 games, longest streak in the nfl. what makes n e one think a no name Mike anderson will be the first to break the streak? please explain if i am wrong

[akhhorus]

I mean this in the least confrontational way possible. But isn't "flashes" exactly what defines a "future star". If he had shown more than flashes, he'd be a current star, no future needed.

Along with that, future stars are always debatable. Because that label is attempting to predict the future, which no one is ever consistently right about and no one can agree on, so the term is kinda meaningless.

Basically, He says - he says Tatum's flashes are enough to show that he can be a star in this league. And you say, until he is a star, then he isn't a star - future star means nothing. That doesn't necessarily mean he's NOT a future star, just that the term is meaningless. So you both are right....and wrong...sort of. right?

No, I wouldn't say that showing "flashes" doesn't make a player a "future star". I think Sean Taylor has shown more than flashes, but he's not a "star". He's a "future star". He's shown enough consistantly to me(and plenty of others) that he's going to be a star in the NFL. Tatum Bell has shown flashes. "Flashes" to me, means that while the player has shown some talent or physical ability, the player has either not had enough playing time to show consistant quality or still needs development in order to be a "star"/"future star". Chris Cooley has shown flashes, and I think he will become a good player, but I wouldn't call him a future star. I would say that Ramsey has shown flashes(not recently). Would you call him a future star or would you have ever called him a future star? I have five levels of how a player looks:
1-Superstar
2-Star
3-Future Star
4-Flashes/Potential
5-Stiff/Role player

Bell is a #4 in my book. He hasn't shown enough to me to be considered even a future star.

[Jon Jansen is money]

Why would mike anderson or tatum bell or anyone else have 100+ when shaun alexander was held under 100? Alexander also had that one long 30 yard run, take that away he didn't do so great. This has been said before but the skins need to worry about the short passing game, as Hasselbeck to Engram tore it up last week.

[Ibleedburgundy]

No, I wouldn't say that showing "flashes" doesn't make a player a "future star". I think Sean Taylor has shown more than flashes, but he's not a "star". He's a "future star". He's shown enough consistantly to me(and plenty of others) that he's going to be a star in the NFL. Tatum Bell has shown flashes. "Flashes" to me, means that while the player has shown some talent or physical ability, the player has either not had enough playing time to show consistant quality or still needs development in order to be a "star"/"future star". Chris Cooley has shown flashes, and I think he will become a good player, but I wouldn't call him a future star. I would say that Ramsey has shown flashes(not recently). Would you call him a future star or would you have ever called him a future star? I have five levels of how a player looks:
1-Superstar
2-Star
3-Future Star
4-Flashes/Potential
5-Stiff/Role player

Bell is a #4 in my book. He hasn't shown enough to me to be considered even a future star.


Antonio Brown showed flashes.

[akhhorus]

Antonio Brown showed flashes.

A lot of players show flashes. Michael Westbrook showed flashes.

[jonesy]

first off, mike anderson is no where near being as good as Shaun Alexander and will never be. I give MA btw 50-75 yds max against our d. we r very good against the run and havent allowed an 100 yd rusher in 8 games, longest streak in the nfl. what makes n e one think a no name Mike anderson will be the first to break the streak? please explain if i am wrong

True, but he is not a no name..he is getting healthy and is a punishing runner when feeling good and gets in a groove w/ his line. I think we contain him but I am worried for some reason, Gibbs working us hard in practice, the flight, the thin air and Denver is coming off two very impressive wins. I saw a little vulnerability w/ us Sunday and I think it will be intersting how we respond w/out LA as well.

LA is good against slower backs like MA, QG would take his jock.

[Biggie]

True, but he is not a no name..he is getting healthy and is a punishing runner when feeling good and gets in a groove w/ his line. I think we contain him but I am worried for some reason, Gibbs working us hard in practice, the flight, the thin air and Denver is coming off two very impressive wins. I saw a little vulnerability w/ us Sunday and I think it will be intersting how we respond w/out LA as well.

LA is good against slower backs like MA, QG would take his jock.

Agreed. Do not underestimate Denver, they're a decent team on the road and 17-7 at home over the last three years.

[ozomulsion]

No, I wouldn't say that showing "flashes" doesn't make a player a "future star". I think Sean Taylor has shown more than flashes, but he's not a "star". He's a "future star". He's shown enough consistantly to me(and plenty of others) that he's going to be a star in the NFL. Tatum Bell has shown flashes. "Flashes" to me, means that while the player has shown some talent or physical ability, the player has either not had enough playing time to show consistant quality or still needs development in order to be a "star"/"future star". Chris Cooley has shown flashes, and I think he will become a good player, but I wouldn't call him a future star. I would say that Ramsey has shown flashes(not recently). Would you call him a future star or would you have ever called him a future star? I have five levels of how a player looks:
1-Superstar
2-Star
3-Future Star
4-Flashes/Potential
5-Stiff/Role player

Bell is a #4 in my book. He hasn't shown enough to me to be considered even a future star.

Trust me, this isn't something I haven't heard before on the mane. I'm the biggest Bell supporter on the whole board. I am just very sure about this kid. Running Back is the only position I scout well. Do a very fine job of watching running backs in college and converting their success in the pros. Watched enough of Tatum in college to feel confident of my opinion.

Obviousy there are some running backs that do well in college and not so well in the pros. I know this. Have no trouble picking those out either. There's a running back named Michael Turner who's buried on the bench behind LT2 in San Diego. He's a special back. Hope he gets a chance to prove it sooner than later.

[akhhorus]

Trust me, this isn't something I haven't heard before on the mane. I'm the biggest Bell supporter on the whole board. I am just very sure about this kid. Running Back is the only position I scout well. Do a very fine job of watching running backs in college and converting their success in the pros. Watched enough of Tatum in college to feel confident of my opinion.

Tatum was a great back at OSU, but Morancy was too. But there's been plenty of great college backs who did squat in the pros. Bell might be a great player, but he needs to do far more before we can label him great or even anywhere close to it. Bell reminds me of Portis, but I think Portis has more of a killer instinct and is just a better talent than Bell. This is not to say that Bell won't be a good Rb in the pros, but as long as he's a rotation player for the Broncos, we'll never know.

Obviousy there are some running backs that do well in college and not so well in the pros. I know this. Have no trouble picking those out either. There's a running back named Michael Turner who's buried on the bench behind LT2 in San Diego. He's a special back. Hope he gets a chance to prove it sooner than later.

Turner was great at NIU, but as long as he's in San Diego, he'll never get a chance to show anything. Good body, good speed. But those guys-project RBs with prototypical size and speed-are a dime a dozen.

[dj_stouty]

I wonder how Shanny is going to divy up the carries this week.

Last week:

40 Total Carries
Anderson - 23 Carries or 57.5%
Bell - 15 Carries or 37.5%
Dayne - 2 Carries or 5%
Clarrett - 0 Carries or 0% (just kidding ;))

Having scanned over the play by play against Jacksonville...it seems as if Anderson was getting twice as many reps on 1st and 2nd down as Bell was getting. However, Bell had more chances at 3rd down...especially in 2nd/3rd and long situations, which he picked up significant yardage. (ala Chad Morton as our 3rd down back under Spurrier)

Be mindful...that the Broncos were running a lot due to the fact that they led for most of the game...

I wonder if this may switch this week. I wonder if Shanny wants to "prove" that the draft pick the Redskins gave up for Portis, which was Tatum Bell, was a positive for the team. Assuming Bell doesn't fumble, I could see him getting more carries than Anderson, simply b/c they know our offensive line has enough girth to stop the power backs.

[ozomulsion]

I wonder if this may switch this week. I wonder if Shanny wants to "prove" that the draft pick the Redskins gave up for Portis, which was Tatum Bell, was a positive for the team. Assuming Bell doesn't fumble, I could see him getting more carries than Anderson, simply b/c they know our offensive line has enough girth to stop the power backs.

You know, I've always found it funny how most folks think of Bell as a fumbler. Folks on the mane say it all the time. Fact is, he has 2 career fumbles and only 1 was lost.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492889

[dj_stouty]

You know, I've always found it funny how most folks think of Bell as a fumbler. Folks on the mane say it all the time. Fact is, he has 2 career fumbles and only 1 was lost.
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492889

If I recall...Bell fumbled once during the preseason and felt the wrath of Shanny, which made headlines. Maybe that is why people remember him as a fumbler.

Shanny doesn't put up with that crap...

[chrisbcbu]

im more afraid of Bell than i am of anderson.

[Spider]

didnt they dangle Mike Anderson as trade bait a couple of years ago, with no one biting? they keep trying to put people in front of him like he's a backup, but he stays healthy and gets the job back. he's solid, but i dont think he's in the same realm as Alexander by any means. we havent allowed a 100 yard rusher in a long time, and since we could hold Alexander to 98 (13 yards in the first half) even with his long runs, then we should be able to stop Anderson.
Not realy and What Denver was asking for Mike was pretty steep .......
In some respects Anderson is better then Alexander when it comes to ISO and T2T plays , but then 90% of that is the Oline and FB .....
Alexander has more speed , and Anderson will drop the rock . But in alot of Respects M.A. is hell on 2 feet .......

[WABronco]

Not realy and What Denver was asking for Mike was pretty steep .......
In some respects Anderson is better then Alexander when it comes to ISO and T2T plays , but then 90% of that is the Oline and FB .....
Alexander has more speed , and Anderson will drop the rock . But in alot of Respects M.A. is hell on 2 feet .......

Thank you...

[Spider]

Thank you...
I think some here dont understand what Denver brings to the table when it comes to running , Zone blocking ...... Though Gregg Williams is a great D cord , it will be interesting on how he game plans this ..........

[dj_stouty]

I think some here dont understand what Denver brings to the table when it comes to running , Zone blocking ...... Though Gregg Williams is a great D cord , it will be interesting on how he game plans this ..........

I think us Skins fans are fairly knowledgeable about Denver's running game. After all, those "running schemes" have been crammed down our throats every since the Portis trade. ;)

But in all fairness, Seattle also has an incredible O-line and RB. While he did post 98 yards and a TD, Alexander clearly didn't do the damage against us that he has against other teams in the NFL. Greg Williams wanted to stop the run as much as possible, and push the offense into long 3rd downs. He was very successful in doing so, until Alexander popped off a 34 yard run on the D. Regardless, I think holding him under 100 yards was an important factor in us winning that close game.

I think Williams will have a similar scheme against the Broncos...but he will probably need additional help from his LBs at the LOS. Marcus Washington is really good at lining up on the strong side next to the DE and give added stregnth to the line. I wish the NFL (and Stats, Inc.) published stats on "tackles in the backfield", because Marcus would be right up there in the rankings.

As someone else already mentioned; I too am more scared of Bell than I am MA. I think this defense is powerful and stout enough to stop a power running game...or at least keep it in check. I'm not sure about their ability to stop a quicker RB...although Julious Jones didn't have much luck in week 2 against us.

[Spider]

I think us Skins fans are fairly knowledgeable about Denver's running game. After all, those "running schemes" have been crammed down our throats every since the Portis trade. ;) ;) it is lethal , only way to take it away is to force Denver to play from behind ......

But in all fairness, Seattle also has an incredible O-line and RB. While he did post 98 yards and a TD, Alexander clearly didn't do the damage against us that he has against other teams in the NFL. Greg Williams wanted to stop the run as much as possible, and push the offense into long 3rd downs. He was very successful in doing so, until Alexander popped off a 34 yard run on the D. Regardless, I think holding him under 100 yards was an important factor in us winning that close game.
They are good , Solid but not incredible , Alexander isnt a stud in ISO and T2T running , he will bounce it out every chance he gets , basicaly what I am arguing is Ball control running of the broncos vs the "homerun"running of the seahawks

I think Williams will have a similar scheme against the Broncos...but he will probably need additional help from his LBs at the LOS. Marcus Washington is really good at lining up on the strong side next to the DE and give added stregnth to the line. I wish the NFL (and Stats, Inc.) published stats on "tackles in the backfield", because Marcus would be right up there in the rankings.
This is the rub of it all ... Denver will use Rollouts , Naked bootlegs , intermediate routes to suck up a safty on the TE , and counter a gap shooting D , and this will be a telling factor in the cut back , but the Dline will get the blame if the Skins fail to stop Denver .......

As someone else already mentioned; I too am more scared of Bell than I am MA. I think this defense is powerful and stout enough to stop a power running game...or at least keep it in check. I'm not sure about their ability to stop a quicker RB...although Julious Jones didn't have much luck in week 2 against us.
Bell is hobbled , somthing with his ankle , Fear MA he is very deceptive , and he will break 1 long ........
When it comes to stopping running backs , you have to stuff the FB and TE , you have to force then to play on their side , in effect Speed of a running back only comes into play on the second level , you look for explosivness when the RB hits the line...... 2 different things , you stop a RB explosion by stuffing the FB and TE ......
I know this is long winded, but I had to get to the heart of the matter

[dj_stouty]

When it comes to stopping running backs , you have to stuff the FB and TE , you have to force then to play on their side , in effect Speed of a running back only comes into play on the second level , you look for explosivness when the RB hits the line...... 2 different things , you stop a RB explosion by stuffing the FB and TE ......
I know this is long winded, but I had to get to the heart of the matter

Our DTs are severely underated. They have the great ability of shedding interior linemen and making plays on the blocking back or the runningback between the tackles. Should be interesting to see how they do against Denver...although I do know they did extremely well against Seattle's Probowlers in Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson. Guess we will see on Sunday.

[MONK_in_HOF]

Not realy and What Denver was asking for Mike was pretty steep .......
In some respects Anderson is better then Alexander when it comes to ISO and T2T plays , but then 90% of that is the Oline and FB .....
Alexander has more speed , and Anderson will drop the rock . But in alot of Respects M.A. is hell on 2 feet .......

To the Broncos Fans.
I think both your RB are good as well as your run game. My question is when is Anderson going to start punching it the end zone? For being a power RB matched w/ your good o-line play I would think Anderson would be more reliable near the goal line. What I have seen from the Broncos near the goal line is almost exactly what I have seen from the Skins. Get stuffed on 1 or 2 run attempts then throw play action to a TE. I watched KC stop Anderson 2 plays in a row from around the 3 yard line. That includes a play where he was 1-on-1 w/ a DB from 2 yds out and he tried to outrun him instead of bull him over????

He is the 3rd RB on my 2 fantasy teams should I get rid of him? I am expecting Bell to take his spot any game now, or at least get more carries due to his explosiveness. Is that a dumb notion from an outsider? I am just curious why Anderson has found success basically everywhere but the red zone.

[Spider]

Our DTs are severely underated. They have the great ability of shedding interior linemen and making plays on the blocking back or the runningback between the tackles. Should be interesting to see how they do against Denver...although I do know they did extremely well against Seattle's Probowlers in Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson. Guess we will see on Sunday.
I am not saying that Skins have a bad D , what I am saying is Shedding blockers playside could be bad , watch this game close , Denver will cut off play , creating a cut back lane , thus leaving a different man acrossed from a skins Dlineman , for example Lepsis is LT but he could block down on Cornelius Griffin, Hamilton on Joe Salave'a and so on Leaving your LDE to give persuit backside , this is a simple example of what Denver does , but you get the Idea ......

[openallnight]

I think some here dont understand what Denver brings to the table when it comes to running , Zone blocking ...... Though Gregg Williams is a great D cord , it will be interesting on how he game plans this ..........
I know Denver's the best in the NFL at running behind that zone blocking scheme. Their execution is almost flawless. Although, the Redskins have a big strong D line that plays gap control very well. This should cut down on the cutback lanes Anderson looks for. Griffen and Saleve can both occupy multiple blockers in the running game. This frees up our LBs and DBs which are usually very sure tacklers (we did have a couple of missed tackles against Alexandar last week. Hopefully, this was just a one week fluke). If any team matches up well against Denver's running game I think it would be the Redskins. I think this will be the best match-up of the game to watch.

[Spider]

To the Broncos Fans.
I think both your RB are good as well as your run game. My question is when is Anderson going to start punching it the end zone? For being a power RB matched w/ your good o-line play I would think Anderson would be more reliable near the goal line. What I have seen from the Broncos near the goal line is almost exactly what I have seen from the Skins. Get stuffed on 1 or 2 run attempts then throw play action to a TE. I watched KC stop Anderson 2 plays in a row from around the 3 yard line. That includes a play where he was 1-on-1 w/ a DB from 2 yds out and he tried to outrun him instead of bull him over????

He is the 3rd RB on my 2 fantasy teams should I get rid of him? I am expecting Bell to take his spot any game now, or at least get more carries due to his explosiveness. Is that a dumb notion from an outsider? I am just curious why Anderson has found success basically everywhere but the red zone.
Anderson has dropped the rock down on the goal line I suspect we will see more of house and KJ ...Denver has to be the worst FF team ever ;)

[Spider]

I know Denver's the best in the NFL at running behind that zone blocking scheme. Their execution is almost flawless. Although, the Redskins have a big strong D line that plays gap control very well. This should cut down on the cutback lanes Anderson looks for. Griffen and Saleve can both occupy multiple blockers in the running game. This frees up our LBs and DBs which are usually very sure tacklers (we did have a couple of missed tackles against Alexandar last week. Hopefully, this was just a one week fluke). If any team matches up well against Denver's running game I think it would be the Redskins. I think this will be the best match-up of the game to watch.
I would agree to a point , but your Line backers will be the difference , it isnt so much Defending Denvers run game taking up blockers , it is more persuit , what Redskins have to do is stay home on the off play side ..... Your line backers have to stay home ..... this includes Rollouts and bootlegs from Jake

[akhhorus]

I am not saying that Skins have a bad D , what I am saying is Shedding blockers playside could be bad , watch this game close , Denver will cut off play , creating a cut back lane , thus leaving a different man acrossed from a skins Dlineman , for example Lepsis is LT but he could block down on Cornelius Griffin, Hamilton on Joe Salave'a and so on Leaving your LDE to give persuit backside , this is a simple example of what Denver does , but you get the Idea ......

But the problem with the Skins' defense is that they are very effective against the run, basically no matter who is playing. Cedric Killings is a practice squad type player, and he came in and made Steve Hutchinson look bad. Don't judge the Skins' defense by the players, under Gregg Williams, no names come in and play like pro bowlers.

[Spider]

But the problem with the Skins' defense is that they are very effective against the run, basically no matter who is playing. Cedric Killings is a practice squad type player, and he came in and made Steve Hutchinson look bad. Don't judge the Skins' defense by the players, under Gregg Williams, no names come in and play like pro bowlers.
I see , so how many zone blocking teams have you guys faced this year ?

[akhhorus]

I see , so how many zone blocking teams have you guys faced this year ?

And this matters? The Skins have instituted zone blocking for Portis and had the schemes drawn up for them by Alex Gibbs. And Portis played in the Zone blocking scheme for 3 years? I think they are familiar with what's coming.

[Spider]

And this matters? The Skins have instituted zone blocking for Portis and had the schemes drawn up for them by Alex Gibbs. And Portis played in the Zone blocking scheme for 3 years? I think they are familiar with what's coming.
:lol1: you being serious ?

[akhhorus]

:lol1: you being serious ?

I hate to break it to you, but while Zone blocking is still effective, its hardly some dynamic new offensive style. And while you have done well rushing the ball, look at the teams you've faced:
Miami and San Diego: both 3-4s with undersized Dlines.
Kansas City(a joke of an Dline) and Jacksonville(29th in the league against the run).
Your running attack will always be effective, but don't get that excited over it. And don't think that the Skins' defense will be letting up 5+ yards per run because of it.

[Spider]

I hate to break it to you, but while Zone blocking is still effective, its hardly some dynamic new offensive style. And while you have done well rushing the ball, look at the teams you've faced:
Miami and San Diego: both 3-4s with undersized Dlines.
Kansas City(a joke of an Dline) and Jacksonville(29th in the league against the run).
Your running attack will always be effective, but don't get that excited over it. And don't think that the Skins' defense will be letting up 5+ yards per run because of it.
I dont remember calling it new or Dynamic .........
Nor do I remember getting excited ........ and I sure didnt say we will get 5 yards per pop .... what I did say it our running game is hard to stop , I did say you cant play us the way you play another team ..........

[akhhorus]

I dont remember calling it new or Dynamic .........
Nor do I remember getting excited ........ and I sure didnt say we will get 5 yards per pop .... what I did say it our running game is hard to stop , I did say you cant play us the way you play another team ..........

And they won't. But I've seen Gregg Williams not let up a 100 yard rusher in 8 games(last one: Pittsburgh, who has a better Oline than Denver's got Bettis to 100 on 31 carries) and only let up 3 100 rushers in 19 games. And not let up more than 18 points 4 times in 19 games against some good offenses. And their defense is better this year. This will be a tough game for both sides and will come down to mistakes, especially turnovers.

[smoak]

But the problem with the Skins' defense is that they are very effective against the run, basically no matter who is playing. Cedric Killings is a practice squad type player, and he came in and made Steve Hutchinson look bad. Don't judge the Skins' defense by the players, under Gregg Williams, no names come in and play like pro bowlers.

Killings really did play well at times. I'm looking forward to the Broncos game b/c of their rep vs ours. It'll be interesting to see who comes out on top.

[openallnight]

And while you have done well rushing the ball, look at the teams you've faced:
Miami and San Diego: both 3-4s with undersized Dlines.
Kansas City(a joke of an Dline) and Jacksonville(29th in the league against the run).
Your running attack will always be effective, but don't get that excited over it. And don't think that the Skins' defense will be letting up 5+ yards per run because of it.
Actually Miami shut down the denver running attack. Although, I think they played mainly a 4 - 3. And other than Taylor that's a pretty big front. Spider or ozomulsion, can you elaborate on how Miami played your run?

[IMALILTEAPOT]

ugh guys, denver doesnt only do zone blocking. pretty much every team has a couple plays were zone blocking is included. its not like zone blocking is a hidden gem or something. greg williams teaches our d to be very disciplined, so u wont see a lot of big gains on cutbacks.

[CowboyKilla]

He's a fighter and extremely tough.
However if we stuff the run we may surprise people on Sun. Plummer and any quarterback for that matter is not great on 3rd and long, that is our goal. If we achieve these things I think we win.

[smoak]

ugh guys, denver doesnt only do zone blocking. pretty much every team has a couple plays were zone blocking is included. its not like zone blocking is a hidden gem or something. greg williams teaches our d to be very disciplined, so u wont see a lot of big gains on cutbacks.

Yeah, I really can't remember seeing a play this year where I thought, "Wow, the d-lineman was really out of position there". They stay at home and absorb blockers... unfortunately that is what they do on the pass rush as well... :D

[ozomulsion]

Actually Miami shut down the denver running attack. Although, I think they played mainly a 4 - 3. And other than Taylor that's a pretty big front. Spider or ozomulsion, can you elaborate on how Miami played your run?

Yes, Miami used mainly a 4-3 with a safety in the box. Their safteys were the number 2 and 3 tacklers in that game. What really hurt us was Zack Thomas staying home in the cutback layne all day long. Thomas is one of the best players in the league at doing this.

[BallhawkOM]

ugh guys, denver doesnt only do zone blocking. pretty much every team has a couple plays were zone blocking is included. its not like zone blocking is a hidden gem or something. greg williams teaches our d to be very disciplined, so u wont see a lot of big gains on cutbacks.

I think the reason we have so much success with it is because of the stability o the coaching staff, namely Shanny. We have been drafting for and teaching Zone blocking so long that we just have it down. Atlanta is now in its third year and Dunn is o to a tremendous start.

As for Anderson, I think he will not be a factor in this game, but there will be a few times that the cutback lane will be there. Lelie and the TEs ,I think will be the story if our O is effective.

[akhhorus]

I think the reason we have so much success with it is because of the stability o the coaching staff, namely Shanny. We have been drafting for and teaching Zone blocking so long that we just have it down. Atlanta is now in its third year and Dunn is o to a tremendous start.

As for Anderson, I think he will not be a factor in this game, but there will be a few times that the cutback lane will be there. Lelie and the TEs ,I think will be the story if our O is effective.

The best way Denver can move the ball would be to go to 3 wideouts and still try and run the ball hoping to catch the Skins in a nickel. Then go to the playaction if the run is established. If they go with a tight formation and try to pound it, they won't be productive and they will be in a lot of 3rd and longs(never good with Plummer).

[BallhawkOM]

The best way Denver can move the ball would be to go to 3 wideouts and still try and run the ball hoping to catch the Skins in a nickel. Then go to the playaction if the run is established. If they go with a tight formation and try to pound it, they won't be productive and they will be in a lot of 3rd and longs(never good with Plummer).

Our TEs are really just big WRs. Putzier and Nate Jakson (finally healthy) are both deep threat TEs.

As for Plummer, he actually does a great job on third downs. People make too much of the Ints. I will say right now that if you guys pick one it will be because of a tip at the LOS. He is always getting balls tipped at the line.

[akhhorus]

Our TEs are really just big WRs. Putzier and Nate Jakson (finally healthy) are both deep threat TEs.

As for Plummer, he actually does a great job on third downs. People make too much of the Ints. I will say right now that if you guys pick one it will be because of a tip at the LOS. He is always getting balls tipped at the line.

As long as you keep Plummer in the pocket, he'll throw INTs. If he's allowed to scramble all around and rollout without pressure, he'll look good. Plummer is too hit and miss to be a consistant starter in my book.

[BallhawkOM]

As long as you keep Plummer in the pocket, he'll throw INTs. If he's allowed to scramble all around and rollout without pressure, he'll look good. Plummer is too hit and miss to be a consistant starter in my book.

Plummer is a second tier QB, but he gets the job done. Over the last 2 years I can think of only a couple games he has lost with a bad pass. Everyone has a giggle at the left handed pass against KC, but we won that game decisively.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I'm not worried about streaks or whatever, I just want the team to win. Mike Anderson could rush for 50 yards or 150 yards, as long as the Skins win.

I want to win too, but we have to stop the run to beat Denver, if Anderson runs for 150, we won't win...

[akhhorus]

Plummer is a second tier QB, but he gets the job done. Over the last 2 years I can think of only a couple games he has lost with a bad pass. Everyone has a giggle at the left handed pass against KC, but we won that game decisively.

He throws far too many INTs for my liking.

[ozomulsion]

He throws far too many INTs for my liking.

2 of his ints came after we were already down 27-10 to Miami. He's doing better this year but he still has a way to go.

[akhhorus]

2 of his ints came after we were already down 27-10 to Miami. He's doing better this year but he still has a way to go.

He had 20 last year, but only 2 in the first four games. He has 3 this year in the first four games. He can be a good qb, but he can also look like crap.

[ozomulsion]

He had 20 last year, but only 2 in the first four games. He has 3 this year in the first four games. He can be a good qb, but he can also look like crap.

No doubts there!

[ozomulsion]

I'm not sure where you get your evaluation of Bell from but it's bad wrong. He does have power. He has great vision as well. Bell is a future star, mark my words. The only reason he isn't starting is because he has trouble pass blocking. He's actually not bad at this but Mike is simply great. Also, staying healthy is the only other concern.

Doesn't know how to use his speed? Say what? The kid is averaging over 6.3 yards a pop for his career. Hopefully he'll get a chance to prove you wrong on Sunday.

This may not be a good time to bring this up. I really dont know what to say about your last game. You guys are better than that. My question is this. Do you feal me on tatum now? He's gping to be a star.

Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
2005 Broncos 8 0 80 562 7.0 68 5 8 20

[The Skinsinator]

My question is this. Do you feal me on tatum now? He's gping to be a star.

Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
2005 Broncos 8 0 80 562 7.0 68 5 8 20
I am an Oklahoma State grad and have seen Bell live. I figured he would have a good nfl career as evident by his current stats. Very explosive and tough. Problem is if those numbers continue, he will probably be requesting a new contract soon. Don't worry, you all will throw someone else in the system.

[redwolf1218]

This may not be a good time to bring this up. I really dont know what to say about your last game. You guys are better than that. My question is this. Do you feal me on tatum now? He's gping to be a star.

Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD
2005 Broncos 8 0 80 562 7.0 68 5 8 20

i'm not sure...Portis has 553 so far and he has missed one game (bye) and only had 9 yards last week.

[ozomulsion]

I am an Oklahoma State grad and have seen Bell live. I figured he would have a good nfl career as evident by his current stats. Very explosive and tough. Problem is if those numbers continue, he will probably be requesting a new contract soon. Don't worry, you all will throw someone else in the system.

Awsome! I am class of 2003

[ozomulsion]

i'm not sure...Portis has 553 so far and he has missed one game (bye) and only had 9 yards last week.

Bell: 562 yards on 80 ATT 7.0 YPC
Portis: 553 yards on 127 ATT 4.4 YPC

Nuff said.....

[CFerro07]

Bell: 562 yards on 80 ATT 7.0 YPC
Portis: 553 yards on 127 ATT 4.4 YPC

Nuff said.....

What were Portis' numbers with Denver in his first 8 games or whatever?? I think that would be a better comparison since it is obvious Denvers rushing system is a lot better than the Skins.

[2Cooley]

Bell: 562 yards on 80 ATT 7.0 YPC
Portis: 553 yards on 127 ATT 4.4 YPC

Nuff said.....
yeah you should use his denver numbers because this way is not really fair to portis since he will never really be what he once was

[ozomulsion]

What were Portis' numbers with Denver in his first 8 games or whatever?? I think that would be a better comparison since it is obvious Denvers rushing system is a lot better than the Skins.

Tatum Bell is not officially our starter even though he starts about every other game.

DENVER
Portis 408 yards 56 ATT 4.4 YPC

Bell: 562 yards on 80 ATT 7.0 YPC

[akhhorus]

Tatum Bell is not officially our starter even though he starts about every other game.

DENVER
Portis 408 yards 56 ATT 4.4 YPC

Bell: 562 yards on 80 ATT 7.0 YPC

According to NFL.com, Bell has never started a game.
1st eight games where they had at least 1 rushing attempt:
Bell: 59 carries, 305 yards 3 TDs(these stats drop dramatically if you count the first eight games where Bell played)
Portis: 114 carries, 562 yards 4 TDs.

But if you want Portis' first eight starts:
157 carries, 791 yards 8 Tds.

[ozomulsion]

According to NFL.com, Bell has never started a game.
1st eight games where they had at least 1 rushing attempt:
Bell: 59 carries, 305 yards 3 TDs(these stats drop dramatically if you count the first eight games where Bell played)
Portis: 114 carries, 562 yards 4 TDs.

But if you want Portis' first eight starts:
157 carries, 791 yards 8 Tds.

Whatever dude, suger coat it however you'd like. Bell had a broken finger and a tweaked hamstring up until week 13 or so of his rookie season. Thanks for the draft pick. Portis isn't that great.

[2Cooley]

According to NFL.com, Bell has never started a game.
1st eight games where they had at least 1 rushing attempt:
Bell: 59 carries, 305 yards 3 TDs(these stats drop dramatically if you count the first eight games where Bell played)
Portis: 114 carries, 562 yards 4 TDs.

But if you want Portis' first eight starts:
157 carries, 791 yards 8 Tds.
That is what i was thinking bell will probly have a better career numbers wise than portis if he stays in denver but portis is obviously better since he put up better numbers in the same system and portis will be getting a ring hopefully

[Biggie]

Whatever dude, suger coat it however you'd like. Bell had a broken finger and a tweaked hamstring up until week 13 or so of his rookie season. Thanks for the draft pick. Portis isn't that great.

Perhaps, but Champ is an embarassment (as shown by T.O.). Hope you have fun when the Colts come up on your schedule in the playoffs.

[akhhorus]

Whatever dude, suger coat it however you'd like. Bell had a broken finger and a tweaked hamstring up until week 13 or so of his rookie season. Thanks for the draft pick. Portis isn't that great.

How is it sugar coating? Portis' first eight games are as good as Bell's 2005 season, better than Bell's first eight games where he actually carried the ball(which includes several games from after he was healthy in the late season). The sugar coating is to twist stats all you want to prove your point. While Bell has had as good a season as Portis has had in 2005, Portis has been much more consistant.
Look at Bell's game totals by yardage: 47, 0, 47, 60, 127, 114, 60, 117
Pretty good.
Portis: 121, 51, 90, 103, 77, 101, 9
Portis also has 100 more recieving yards

Ill take Portis. Bell has had 3 good games, but still hasn't shown that he's an everydown back.

And you're welcome for the draft pick, you used it it wisely; too bad you had to pay a Cornerback 60 million bucks and he can't seem to cover a one legged chicken with Syphilis. Hey look, someone just beat Champ again! Was it TO? Plaxico? Reggie Brown?

[whitskins]

How is it sugar coating? Portis' first eight games are as good as Bell's 2005 season, better than Bell's first eight games where he actually carried the ball(which includes several games from after he was healthy in the late season). The sugar coating is to twist stats all you want to prove your point. While Bell has had as good a season as Portis has had in 2005, Portis has been much more consistant.
Look at Bell's game totals by yardage: 47, 0, 47, 60, 127, 114, 60, 117
Pretty good.
Portis: 121, 51, 90, 103, 77, 101, 9
Portis also has 100 more recieving yards

Ill take Portis. Bell has had 3 good games, but still hasn't shown that he's an everydown back.

And you're welcome for the draft pick, you used it it wisely; too bad you had to pay a Cornerback 60 million bucks and he can't seem to cover a one legged chicken with Syphilis. Hey look, someone just beat Champ again! Was it TO? Plaxico? Reggie Brown?

Get ready for the crying about Champ's tweaked hammy that he gave me in another thread. As if Champ hasn't been routinely burned in the past on both the Skins and Broncos when he was famous for having never missed a game...

Didn't we already play the Broncos? Shouldn't we be dealing with delusional Philly fans this week?

[akhhorus]

Get ready for the crying about Champ's tweaked hammy that he gave me in another thread. As if Champ hasn't been routinely burned in the past on both the Skins and Broncos when he was famous for having never missed a game...

Yeah, the tweaked hammy that magically appeared, disappeared and then reappeared after TO's torched him last him. The funniest was Chump limping to the training table, then going right back in.

[ozomulsion]

Perhaps, but Champ is an embarassment (as shown by T.O.). Hope you have fun when the Colts come up on your schedule in the playoffs.

At least we'll be in the playoffs.

[ozomulsion]

Get ready for the crying about Champ's tweaked hammy that he gave me in another thread. As if Champ hasn't been routinely burned in the past on both the Skins and Broncos when he was famous for having never missed a game...

Didn't we already play the Broncos? Shouldn't we be dealing with delusional Philly fans this week?

No whining here. Champ turned our season around with his interception in the Charger game. Man, I'll tell you is damn funny how every great receiver in the NFL claims Champ is the best CB in the league. He gets left on an island. Crap happens. We have Darrent for 900k a year, Foxworth for 600k a year. and Bell for 1mil a year. Year were really screwing up our payroll. Go tell your mom maybe she'll believe you. Thanks for the top 15 pick. Your team stinks.

[ozomulsion]

Image removed because it was too big. I don't know how your boards are run but you better check our guidelines buddy. This post was edited by hail2skins.

[whitskins]

No whining here. Champ turned our season around with his interception in the Charger game. Man, I'll tell you is damn funny how every great receiver in the NFL claims Champ is the best CB in the league. He gets left on an island. Crap happens. We have Darrent for 900k a year, Foxworth for 600k a year. and Bell for 1mil a year. Year were really screwing up our payroll. Go tell your mom maybe she'll believe you. Thanks for the top 15 pick. Your team stinks.

Goodbye you laughable troll. Hopefully Champ won't be roasted any time soon or we could see a dangerous mental breakdown from you.

Try and compile a highlight video of all the times Shawn Springs has been taken to the house in embarrassing fashion since coming to the Redskins. And if you don't think he gets left on an island just as much you're insane. You won't find very much footage, but at this point I could score Champ's lowlight video to the orchestrated soundtrack of Le Mis.

We'll see how high your first round pick is, maybe you can even trade it to re-aquire the rights to Maurice Clarrett. And do you know where I can place a bet on the Broncos first playoff game yet? I wanna go ahead and bet the over on their opponent's 35 point line. Thanks.

[ozomulsion]

According to NFL.com, Bell has never started a game.
1st eight games where they had at least 1 rushing attempt:
Bell: 59 carries, 305 yards 3 TDs(these stats drop dramatically if you count the first eight games where Bell played)
Portis: 114 carries, 562 yards 4 TDs.

But if you want Portis' first eight starts:
157 carries, 791 yards 8 Tds.

So now you have to lie to try and prove your point?
73 ATT 338 Yards 5.1 average 4 TDs
Week 12 is when he got healthy and those are his REAL numbers
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492889/gamelogs/2004
Give me a frigin break. You're full of crap.
Look how many posts you have and you can't even get your **** together.
I'm sure you'll all be heart boken. This is my last post. I be back at the end of the season. To thank youposers for our top ten pick. 36 to zip? bwahahaha
At least I don't need to lie to make you guys look like fools. Later losers.

[ozomulsion]

Goodbye you laughable troll. Hopefully Champ won't be roasted any time soon or we could see a dangerous mental breakdown from you.

Try and compile a highlight video of all the times Shawn Springs has been taken to the house in embarrassing fashion since coming to the Redskins. And if you don't think he gets left on an island just as much you're insane. You won't find very much footage, but at this point I could score Champ's lowlight video to the orchestrated soundtrack of Le Mis.

We'll see how high your first round pick is, maybe you can even trade it to re-aquire the rights to Maurice Clarrett. And do you know where I can place a bet on the Broncos first playoff game yet? I wanna go ahead and bet the over on their opponent's 35 point line. Thanks.

Our rookie corners are better than Carlos Rodgers. =fact

[ozomulsion]

Goodbye you laughable troll. Hopefully Champ won't be roasted any time soon or we could see a dangerous mental breakdown from you.

Try and compile a highlight video of all the times Shawn Springs has been taken to the house in embarrassing fashion since coming to the Redskins. And if you don't think he gets left on an island just as much you're insane. You won't find very much footage, but at this point I could score Champ's lowlight video to the orchestrated soundtrack of Le Mis.

We'll see how high your first round pick is, maybe you can even trade it to re-aquire the rights to Maurice Clarrett. And do you know where I can place a bet on the Broncos first playoff game yet? I wanna go ahead and bet the over on their opponent's 35 point line. Thanks.

Yeah, we had 3 3rd round picks. We got one great corner and one with the potental of being great. How are [b]all[/]l your draft picks doing this year. I won't look them up. But some of them are total busts. Have fun watching us in the playoffs.

[DoGood]

You guys are still at this?

[akhhorus]

So now you have to lie to try and prove your point?
73 ATT 338 Yards 5.1 average 4 TDs
Week 12 is when he got healthy and those are his REAL numbers
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492889/gamelogs/2004
Give me a frigin break. You're full of crap.
Look how many posts you have and you can't even get your **** together.
I'm sure you'll all be heart boken. This is my last post. I be back at the end of the season. To thank youposers for our top ten pick. 36 to zip? bwahahaha
At least I don't need to lie to make you guys look like fools. Later losers.

So, who was the one talking about sugar coating things? You want to take Bell's 2005 season against Portis' first 8 starts? Or Portis' first eight games period vs Bell's 2005 season? And guess what, you're skewing doesn't help your case at all. Anyway Portis is the better back. Or perhaps you want to take Bell's best 8 games versus Portis 8 worse games. Maybe then you will prove your point.

And keep dreaming that you'll get a top ten pick there clown. The Skins would have to lose out for that to happen. 36-0 is pretty embarrassing. But it is just one game.

[akhhorus]

No whining here. Champ turned our season around with his interception in the Charger game. Man, I'll tell you is damn funny how every great receiver in the NFL claims Champ is the best CB in the league. He gets left on an island. Crap happens. We have Darrent for 900k a year, Foxworth for 600k a year. and Bell for 1mil a year. Year were really screwing up our payroll. Go tell your mom maybe she'll believe you. Thanks for the top 15 pick. Your team stinks.

Yes, Bell(who will demand a raise, so will Shanny trade him then?), Fox and Williams are real cheap. But Champ is the highest paid CB in the league and plays like a midlevel one. You guys got roasted on that deal. And I wouldn't be bragging that top WRs say he's the best, everyone knows how to beat him and has been doing it regularly. When Reggie Brown torched him last week on a simple slant route, that should have shown you the truth; but feel free to keep your head in your ***.

[akhhorus]

Our rookie corners are better than Carlos Rodgers. =fact

Carlos Rogers hasn't played nearly as much because they have two good Cbs ahead of him. When he has played, he's been a very good CB. You play him as much as Darent Williams, and Rogers would clearly be the better player.

[Redblood]

Carlos Rogers hasn't played nearly as much because they have two good Cbs ahead of him. When he has played, he's been a very good CB. You play him as much as Darent Williams, and Rogers would clearly be the better player.


AKH,
Why argue with a................................................. ........donkey?

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Originally Posted by ozomulsion
No whining here. Champ turned our season around with his interception in the Charger game. Man, I'll tell you is damn funny how every great receiver in the NFL claims Champ is the best CB in the league. He gets left on an island. Crap happens. We have Darrent for 900k a year, Foxworth for 600k a year. and Bell for 1mil a year. Year were really screwing up our payroll. Go tell your mom maybe she'll believe you. Thanks for the top 15 pick. Your team stinks.

Champ was expendable. Shaun Springs has done a descent job thus far, not to mention that we have the number 1 rated "pass defense" in the league right now! The only bad aspect of the trade was the salary cap issues aquired along with free agent signings and contract extensions. And to say our team stinks, well I would have believed that obtus comment last year. Not this year buddy, the progress we're making right now is building a foundation for the future. You can't talk about the NFC East w/ out mentioning the Skins. I stay focused on the present time, but to imagine the great strides we will make in the near future is overwhelming.

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[akhhorus]

AKH,
Why argue with a................................................. ........donkey?


Careful there.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

But Champ is the highest paid CB in the league and plays like a midlevel one.
Your right, Springs has done more than expected. We are currently the #1 passing defense.

[smoak]

Yeah, we had 3 3rd round picks. We got one great corner and one with the potental of being great. How are [b]all[/]l your draft picks doing this year. I won't look them up. But some of them are total busts. Have fun watching us in the playoffs.

Two words.

Maurice Clarett.

:lol1: :lol3:

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozomulsion
Yeah, we had 3 3rd round picks. We got one great corner and one with the potental of being great. How are [b]all[/]l your draft picks doing this year. I won't look them up. But some of them are total busts. Have fun watching us in the playoffs.

Two words.

Maurice Clarett.


Yup, that was a total bust.

[chrisbcbu]

Jeez vabeach, you are averaging over 48 posts a day. thats more than akhh

[HAWGZHEAD]

Jeez vabeach, you are averaging over 48 posts a day. thats more than akhh:lol1:

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Jeez vabeach, you are averaging over 48 posts a day. thats more than akhh
I'm trying to build enough points to upload my own personal avatars!!!:)

[jonesy]

wow my thread has some friggen legs....

[The Skinsinator]

wow my thread has some friggen legs....
Trolls tend to attract alot of attention and posts. We know you didn't intend for the trollishness however.

[hail2skins]

I'm trying to build enough points to upload my own personal avatars!!!:)This is not good, hint hint

[ozomulsion]

Two words.

Maurice Clarett.

:lol1: :lol3:

5 words Terrel Davis sixth round pick.
5 more words. Mike Anderson sixth round pick.
Good lord we have bad luck with runningbacks.

First off I want to apologize for my behavior last night. I was in a strange mood. I gave hell to everybody in real life and on the cpu. Had a lot of apologies to give out. Anybody who remembers me from Redskin vs Bronco week, knows I'm far from a troll.

To the guy who said it was Champ on coverage when Toomer caught the game winning TD, It was Dominique Foxworth. Plex did catch a TD pass on Champ with a wonderful push off. None the less, Champ did give up a TD catch. Owens burned Champ before he tweaked his hamstring.

I don't know what's up with Champ getting burned by two of the worst receivers in the league, Plex and Owens. You guys keep bringing up the over paid thing. What's Portis' contract compared to Champ? Couldn't one say Portis' lack of TDs is just as bad as the TDs Champ has given up?

What happened Sunday. This is a serious question. I know your offensive line collapsed but that's about all.

I also think it's funny how akhhorus refuses to admit Bell will be a star. He words his comebacks so eloquently but they all seem bottomless. It's too bad Tatum broke his finger and tweaked his hamstring his rookie year. Wasn't healthy until week 12. That gives you guys a lot of ammo. It really sucks but those are the breaks. The reason Shanny is limiting Bell's carries is so he can go as long as he can without giving him that raise. Bell is humble, not a flavor clown like Portis. He also doesn't have the devil (Drew) as his agent. This will help as well.

[3Taylor6]

you just beat us in the last play despite a number of calls in your favor and at your stadium so i dont really think you have the right to be such an ass by the way didnt you lose to the dolphins the first game of the season? hmmm

[akhhorus]

5 words Terrel Davis sixth round pick.
5 more words. Mike Anderson sixth round pick.
Good lord we have bad luck with runningbacks.

First off I want to apologize for my behavior last night. I was in a strange mood. I gave hell to everybody in real life and on the cpu. Had a lot of apologies to give out. Anybody who remembers me from Redskin vs Bronco week, knows I'm far from a troll.

No you're not, and that was out of character for you.

To the guy who said it was Champ on coverage when Toomer caught the game winning TD, It was Dominique Foxworth. Plex did catch a TD pass on Champ with a wonderful push off. None the less, Champ did give up a TD catch. Owens burned Champ before he tweaked his hamstring.

I don't know what's up with Champ getting burned by two of the worst receivers in the league, Plex and Owens. You guys keep bringing up the over paid thing. What's Portis' contract compared to Champ? Couldn't one say Portis' lack of TDs is just as bad as the TDs Champ has given up?

No its not because Portis moves the ball. Thats his job. TDs are a part of that, but not all of it. Champ isn't doing his obviously.

I also think it's funny how akhhorus refuses to admit Bell will be a star. He words his comebacks so eloquently but they all seem bottomless. It's too bad Tatum broke his finger and tweaked his hamstring his rookie year. Wasn't healthy until week 12. That gives you guys a lot of ammo. It really sucks but those are the breaks.

Fine, you want to take Bell's stats from when you say he was healthy(week 12) to now and compare Portis' from the same number of games?
Starting with Bell vs Miami:
first 13 games: 134 carries 870 yards 8 TDs+100 yards recieiving
Portis first 13 games: 216 carries 1098 yards 9 tds+300 yard recieiving.

Bell beats him on average, but Portis beats him on total production and consistant performances. Dont get me wrong, bell is a good back-perhaps a budding star. He has to show the consistant talent that Portis has to be in the same class as him. Bell is very inconsistant. You cannot deny that.

The reason Shanny is limiting Bell's carries is so he can go as long as he can without giving him that raise. Bell is humble, not a flavor clown like Portis. He also doesn't have the devil (Drew) as his agent. This will help as well.

Forget it, Bell will come for his raise or leave. Drew might not be his agent, but he'll come for his raise. As will Darent Williams. Few players(and no CBs) are worth what Champ got from the Broncos.

[hail2skins]

5 words Terrel Davis sixth round pick.
5 more words. Mike Anderson sixth round pick.
Good lord we have bad luck with runningbacks.

First off I want to apologize for my behavior last night. I was in a strange mood. I gave hell to everybody in real life and on the cpu. Had a lot of apologies to give out. Anybody who remembers me from Redskin vs Bronco week, knows I'm far from a troll.

To the guy who said it was Champ on coverage when Toomer caught the game winning TD, It was Dominique Foxworth. Plex did catch a TD pass on Champ with a wonderful push off. None the less, Champ did give up a TD catch. Owens burned Champ before he tweaked his hamstring.

I don't know what's up with Champ getting burned by two of the worst receivers in the league, Plex and Owens. You guys keep bringing up the over paid thing. What's Portis' contract compared to Champ? Couldn't one say Portis' lack of TDs is just as bad as the TDs Champ has given up?

What happened Sunday. This is a serious question. I know your offensive line collapsed but that's about all.

I also think it's funny how akhhorus refuses to admit Bell will be a star. He words his comebacks so eloquently but they all seem bottomless. It's too bad Tatum broke his finger and tweaked his hamstring his rookie year. Wasn't healthy until week 12. That gives you guys a lot of ammo. It really sucks but those are the breaks. The reason Shanny is limiting Bell's carries is so he can go as long as he can without giving him that raise. Bell is humble, not a flavor clown like Portis. He also doesn't have the devil (Drew) as his agent. This will help as well.Bell will probably end up like Portis, playing for another team. YOu need to chill out on our site. I removed that pic you posted and you've been warned about name calling. One more foul and you're out of here. I don't know how they run your boards but we run a different type of board here and if you can't comply then good-bye.

[ozomulsion]

Bell will probably end up like Portis, playing for another team. YOu need to chill out on our site. I removed that pic you posted and you've been warned about name calling. One more foul and you're out of here. I don't know how they run your boards but we run a different type of board here and if you can't comply then good-bye.

That was my reason for this post, to apologize for my unacceptable behavior. Thank you for the second chance. I was worried I might have been banned. I act like this on the Mane sometimes but they don't tolerate this from rival fans. They just understand I get weird sometimes. Of course I have to send out apologizes. Not OK on rival boards,I understand. It won't happen again!

I am ashamed of myself for acting like this on such a classy board like Hr. I don't even mess with other boards. You guys are just so knowledgeable, I can't believe I acted in the manner I did. I want to hang around for the season. It won't happen again.

I don't know who you are (an admin I assume) but I agree with your methods. Dude, I swear it wont happen again. You have my word and I'm sure akhhorus can vouch for me. If something like this happens again then I agree, boot my ass out. All I can do is say I'm sorry and show you by my posts, it was out of character. What a wonderful site with great posters you have.

[akhhorus]

That was my reason for this post, to apologize for my unacceptable behavior. Thank you for the second chance. I was worried I might have been banned. I act like this on the Mane sometimes but they don't tolerate this from rival fans. They just understand I get weird sometimes. Of course I have to send out apologizes. Not OK on rival boards,I understand. It won't happen again!

I am ashamed of myself for acting like this on such a classy board like Hr. I don't even mess with other boards. You guys are just so knowledgeable, I can't believe I acted in the manner I did. I want to hang around for the season. It won't happen again.

I don't know who you are (an admin I assume) but I agree with your methods. Dude, I swear it wont happen again. You have my word and I'm sure akhhorus can vouch for me. If something like this happens again then I agree, boot my ass out. All I can do is say I'm sorry and show you by my posts, it was out of character. What a wonderful site with great posters you have.

Consider what Hail2Skins said like a soccer penalty. You've gotten a yellow card, another foul and its bye-bye. Everyone here loves to discuss football, but this isn't a smack talking/whining/Cowmanatees board

[ozomulsion]

No you're not, and that was out of character for you.



No its not because Portis moves the ball. Thats his job. TDs are a part of that, but not all of it. Champ isn't doing his obviously.



Fine, you want to take Bell's stats from when you say he was healthy(week 12) to now and compare Portis' from the same number of games?
Starting with Bell vs Miami:
first 13 games: 134 carries 870 yards 8 TDs+100 yards recieiving
Portis first 13 games: 216 carries 1098 yards 9 tds+300 yard recieiving.

Bell beats him on average, but Portis beats him on total production and consistant performances. Dont get me wrong, bell is a good back-perhaps a budding star. He has to show the consistant talent that Portis has to be in the same class as him. Bell is very inconsistant. You cannot deny that.



Forget it, Bell will come for his raise or leave. Drew might not be his agent, but he'll come for his raise. As will Darent Williams. Few players(and no CBs) are worth what Champ got from the Broncos.

Can't argue much with what you said. Bell is our future. We drafted him for that. Mike is 32 years old. Doesn't have much time left. Very uncommon for us to draft a RB in the second round. Bobby Turner(our running back coach who saw how special Davis was) Had been watching Tatum since high school (hand picked Tatum.)

We will pay him. He is special and we need a RB for the next 6-9 years. He is our future. We got rid of Portis because he is a flavor clown. I know that comment will piss some of you off. But it's true. Tatum is the opposite of that. We'll pay Tatum and we'll pay Darrent. Kyle Shanahan just messed with the Bucs and told his Dad about a special safety they had on the practice squad. The name escapes me, we just signed him. He will take over for Lynch.

[akhhorus]

Can't argue much with what you said. Bell is our future. We drafted him for that. Mike is 32 years old. Doesn't have much time left. Very uncommon for us to draft a RB in the second round. Bobby Turner(our running back coach who saw how special Davis was) Had been watching Tatum since high school (hand picked Tatum.)

We will pay him. He is special and we need a RB for the next 6-9 years. He is our future. We got rid of Portis because he is a flavor clown.

Portis is a clown, but Gibbs has always had clown-like running backs. He performs consistantly. He runs hard, doesn't fumble and blocks extremely well for a RB. He'll have a job here for life and probably finish with over 12,000 yards for his career. Bell has had some great games, but he has to show the consistant excellence that Portis has shown in order to warrent such a committment.

I know that comment will piss some of you off. But it's true. Tatum is the opposite of that. We'll pay Tatum and we'll pay Darrent. Kyle Shanahan just messed with the Bucs and told his Dad about a special safety they had on the practice squad. The name escapes me, we just signed him. He will take over for Lynch.

We'll see. Champ(whose cap charge goes from 3.5 to 8.5 million in 06), Jake(2 to 6 million), Pryce(4.5 to 8 million)'s contracts(as well as others) makes locking up Bell cheap a priority. Who knows. If Bell has a good 05 and a very good 06, he wont be cheap. He'll demand what Portis got from the Skins. And then it depends on who the Broncos coach will be in 07 whether he is resigned or not.

[2Cooley]

Can't argue much with what you said. Bell is our future. We drafted him for that. Mike is 32 years old. Doesn't have much time left. Very uncommon for us to draft a RB in the second round. Bobby Turner(our running back coach who saw how special Davis was) Had been watching Tatum since high school (hand picked Tatum.)

We will pay him. He is special and we need a RB for the next 6-9 years. He is our future. We got rid of Portis because he is a flavor clown. I know that comment will piss some of you off. But it's true. Tatum is the opposite of that. We'll pay Tatum and we'll pay Darrent. Kyle Shanahan just messed with the Bucs and told his Dad about a special safety they had on the practice squad. The name escapes me, we just signed him. He will take over for Lynch.
If he is so special why is he not starting, and i know all about bell and as "special" as he is he has some pretty big flaws thoes being he is not very reliable holding onto the ball and he also gets hurt alot and its not that mike anderson can block its that tatum CANT block.

[akhhorus]

If he is so special why is he not starting, and i know all about bell and as "special" as he is he has some pretty big flaws thoes being he is not very reliable holding onto the ball and he also gets hurt alot and its not that mike anderson can block its that tatum CANT block.

Well, I think that the Broncos like that Anderson is the solid grinding type back and Bell is a real change of pace. Anderson isn't a long term answer for sure, but I would be surprised if they didn't give Bell a couple games just to see if he could carry the full load.

[2Cooley]

Well, I think that the Broncos like that Anderson is the solid grinding type back and Bell is a real change of pace. Anderson isn't a long term answer for sure, but I would be surprised if they didn't give Bell a couple games just to see if he could carry the full load.
yeah i guess but in reality this is shanny's first time using dual backs and in TC it was tatums job but not only did anderson show he was better tatum didnt show up at all and i doubt he can carry a full load

[redskin_rich]

Who cares! Denver was 3 weeks ago, this thread no longer belongs in the Cherokee.

[ozomulsion]

Who cares! Denver was 3 weeks ago, this thread no longer belongs in the Cherokee.

Just like we tell folks on my site. If you don't want to participate, don't open the thread. Why waste time commenting on it? Some folks like to discuss football without talking about just the skins. Except Finhaven (Dolphins), that site has some seious issues. Here's what you do bro. You like totally look at teh thread title, then if you like don't want to throw a post it's way. You like tatally skip it, saves you maxOr time, it's like so kewl. I skip some Bronco threads on my board. Because I don't want to waste my time on them.

[redskin_rich]

Just like we tell folks on my site. If you don't want to participate, don't open the thread. Why waste time commenting on it? Some folks like to discuss football without talking about just the skins. Except Finhaven (Dolphins), that site has some seious issues. Here's what you do bro. You like totally look at teh thread title, then if you like don't want to throw a post it's way. You like tatally skip it, saves you maxOr time, it's like so kewl. I skip some Bronco threads on my board. Because I don't want to waste my time on them.
Thanks for the lesson, now let me give you one. We have a seperate forum for talking NFL football other than the Skins.
Here it is:

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/forumdisplay.php?f=12

This thread was a month old and you bumped it up for whatever reason, then you got responses because you started flaming. I know, you weren't yourself that day :rolleyes: .

[28thegreat]

Gotta love it when a "guest" to this site tells us how to run it. Take this one to the NFL forum next time. Thanks. I would prefer not seeing Mike Anderson's name at the top of the Cherokee forum again. Thank you.

[ozomulsion]

If he is so special why is he not starting, and i know all about bell and as "special" as he is he has some pretty big flaws thoes being he is not very reliable holding onto the ball and he also gets hurt alot and its not that mike anderson can block its that tatum CANT block.

Glad you asked. Shanny want's to save as much time as possible before having to give Tatum a new contract. Most importantly, we use Anderson to wear out
the D Then, when Bell comes in POW 60+ yard run. Sometimes we start Anderson, give him 2 carries and put Bell in. Just depends on how Shanny is feeling. You're correct. Tatum can block, he's made big strides Read this part very carefully

"I think sometimes that's overrated, who's starting. As far as I'm concerned, we've got two guys who are going to play…to say a guy is a starter or a guy is not a starter when a guy is averaging what Tatum is averaging, I think his production speaks for itself...and I think it would take away from some of his big-play capabilities and the effectiveness of our offense and the type of backs we do have."--Shanny [/B]

[ozomulsion]

Thanks for the lesson, now let me give you one. We have a seperate forum for talking NFL football other than the Skins.
Here it is:

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/forumdisplay.php?f=12

This thread was a month old and you bumped it up for whatever reason, then you got responses because you started flaming. I know, you weren't yourself that day :rolleyes: .

Why do you guys find it so hard to understand you shouldn't open a thread when you're not interested? I wasn't just talking about your forum. I was speaking of ALL NFL forums, thank you. Our site has a forum for NFL topics and then other forums for all kinds of other topics. You have exactly zero members viewing the ALL NFL forum. Wonder why I don't post on it? There's your answer and it seems pretty simple to understand.

We like to talk about all kinds of stuff going on in the NFL, on the mane. I guess you folks are more like Finhaven than I thought. I will be visiting this forum very little now. I'm sure you'll all be crushed.

If it's only skins then why did other members post Bronco threads? Oh, because it was the week your special team played ours. Is this rule in the disclaimer. You should put it on as a sticky, seriously.

[chrisbcbu]

Why do you guys find it so hard to understand you shouldn't open a thread when you're not interested? I wasn't just talking about your forum. I was speaking of ALL NFL forums, thank you. Our site has a forum for NFL topics and then other forums for all kinds of other topics. You have exactly zero members viewing the ALL NFL forum. Wonder why I don't post on it? There's your answer and it seems pretty simple to understand.

We like to talk about all kinds of stuff going on in the NFL, on the mane. I guess you folks are more like Finhaven than I thought. I will be visiting this forum very little now. I'm sure you'll all be crushed.

If it's only skins then why did other members post Bronco threads? Oh, because it was the week your special team played ours. Is this rule in the disclaimer. You should put it on as a sticky, seriously.

You are misunderstanding what he is trying to say. This particular forum you are in is for Redskins news only. We have another forum for strictly NFL teams, which is the category this now falls in. So it would be better off in the NFL forum than in the Redskin forum.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Tatum is a descent back. He's had 1 or 2 good games this year, but still isn't a proven HB to be mentioned with the NFL elites. Its sounds to me that Denver fans have resentment of Portis's success in DC. Lay off that Haterade!!!!

[vabeach_skinsfan]

I just checked the stat sheet, and Bell has atleast 1/2 rushing attemps than the rest of the NFLs running backs. Granted, he shares the load w/ Mike Anderson. This just vaildates the fact hasn't proven himself to be durable. I would wait to see something definitive from Bell before you start hyping him up!

[vabeach_skinsfan]

I will be visiting this forum very little now. I'm sure you'll all be crushed.
Its not that your presence here isn't welcome, I just think your opinions carry a little too much passion, and not enough validity. You want to go over the pros and cons of deal that we made last year with your franchise, which to me right now is impertinent. Other than that, your opinions do matter and i'm sure that members will be more than happy to provide rebutals for your pretentious commments. :)

[ozomulsion]

I just checked the stat sheet, and Bell has atleast 1/2 rushing attemps than the rest of the NFLs running backs. Granted, he shares the load w/ Mike Anderson. This just vaildates the fact hasn't proven himself to be durable. I would wait to see something definitive from Bell before you start hyping him up!

When you are averaging 7 YPC, it is very hard to get a lot of carries. He has 8 20 yard+.20 of his 80 carries are for first downs. When you have such a high avg. It's really hard to get a lot of carries. Catch my drift? It's just the system, correctt? Wateva' Treva'.

[chrisbcbu]

When you are averaging 7 YPC, it is very hard to get a lot of carries. He has 8 20 yard+.20 of his 80 carries are for first downs. When you have such a high avg. It's really hard to get a lot of carries. Catch my drift? It's just the system, correctt? Wateva' Treva'.

Do you forsee Anderson retiring or benched next season for Bell to take over? Or do you see going into next season with the same 1-2 punch? Bell is going to be a great back, but he has to prove he is durable before he can get a big payday from the Broncos.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

why do we have a 10 pg thread on another team that we played like 4 weeks ago? get outta here

[chad101]

Tatum is a descent back. He's had 1 or 2 good games this year, but still isn't a proven HB to be mentioned with the NFL elites. Its sounds to me that Denver fans have resentment of Portis's success in DC. Lay off that Haterade!!!!

Didn't Denver get Champ AND Bell as a result of the Portis trade?
I don't think Denver gives that one a second thought at all.

I know Denvers FO feels Bell is the best talent they have ever had at RB.
The only question on BELL IMO is staying healthy.

[ozomulsion]

Do you forsee Anderson retiring or benched next season for Bell to take over? Or do you see going into next season with the same 1-2 punch? Bell is going to be a great back, but he has to prove he is durable before he can get a big payday from the Broncos.

We will ride the running back by committee as long as we can, in order to delay Bell getting a raise. Keep in mind, MA was a Marine before he went to college.
So he began his pro career at 28 years old. He may have a year or 2 left in him. We have another back named Cecil Sapp from Colorado state, we may use replace Anderson. We have some big cap hits coming next year. Luckily Tatum won't be asking for a new contract for at least 2 seasons. Our cap situation should be good then.

[ozomulsion]

Didn't Denver get Champ AND Bell as a result of the Portis trade?
I don't think Denver gives that one a second thought at all.

I know Denvers FO feels Bell is the best talent they have ever had at RB.
The only question on BELL IMO is staying healthy.

Yes we did. You guys threw in the draft pick in which we drafted Tatum with. Bobby Turner (our RB coach who drafted TD) had his eye on Tatum for a LONG time. If it wasn't for Tatum we wouldn't have traded Portis. We knew Dallas needed a RB and we drafted just before them. We prefered Bell as OSO ran a zone blocking schem. We would have drafted Julius Jones if Tatum would have been gone. We just knew someone would bounce on Steven Jackson before Bell.