Secondary health

[thecheat48]

So, I've been thinking about this since Sunday and am getting a bit worried.

We all know that DBs in GW schemes are physical, blitz etc. Guess we can thank Buddy Ryan (cause thats who GW said was the biggest inspiration). That being said, when you have older DBs who perhaps have a history of injuries than younger quality DBs (no offense to Jimoh, but he doesnt count) in this style of defense, there are potential injury/health problems. Rogers has looked great, but if Harris is worse than we thought, and another DB or two goes out, I hate having to go to Jimoh and a PS player.

On the flipside, one great thing is that DBs on the skins D (and the schemes) are versatile. Players like Prioleau and Stoutmire are DBs than can cover well and play teams.

Just wish we coulda kept Wilds. Thoughts? Am I being too much of a chicken little?

[redwolf1218]

well i would not necessarily say we have "older DB's".
Harris is 31
Jimoh is 25
Rogers is 24
Springs is 30
Bowen is 28
Clark is 25
Prioleau is 28
Stoutmire is 31
Taylor is 22.

but you're right, we are thin at corner. in my opinion (like your's), Jimoh doesnt count, so we only have 3 corners: Springs, Rogers, Harris. that is scaring me. i saw far too much of safeties and linebackers in coverage where a corner would have been preferrable. next year's top pick or top free agent pickup might be another corner.

[redskin_rich]

well i would not necessarily say we have "older DB's".
Harris is 31
Jimoh is 25
Rogers is 24
Springs is 30
Bowen is 28
Clark is 25
Prioleau is 28
Stoutmire is 31
Taylor is 22.

but you're right, we are thin at corner. in my opinion (like your's), Jimoh doesnt count, so we only have 3 corners: Springs, Rogers, Harris. that is scaring me. i saw far too much of safeties and linebackers in coverage where a corner would have been preferrable. next year's top pick or top free agent pickup might be another corner.

Hopefully next year's top pick or top FA is a D-Lineman, preferably a pass rushing DE. Our D-Line is old and we need someone that can pressure the QB. We can get a decent nickel corner through free agency to address depth in the secondary.

[thecheat48]

well i would not necessarily say we have "older DB's".
Harris is 31
Jimoh is 25
Rogers is 24
Springs is 30
Bowen is 28
Clark is 25
Prioleau is 28
Stoutmire is 31
Taylor is 22.
.

True, just that our top two Dbs are 30+ and have injury history, plus Bowen is coming off an injury year etc.

[redwolf1218]

True, just that our top two Dbs are 30+ and have injury history, plus Bowen is coming off an injury year etc.
that's true and that's why we got Rogers. perfect time for him to come here and learn from the veterans Springs and Harris. i feel like we need another one now to replace Jimoh on the depth chart. Jimoh should move to safety in my opinion. he has height, size, and hits well, but he does not cover well as a corner.

as for a pass rushing defensive end, i thought we should have taken one early in the draft years ago to learn from Bruce Smith, kinda like Pierce and Marshall learned from Barrow. we tried when Casserly inexplicably picked Kenard Lang (not even on the top 10 list at the position, and picked something like number 17 of the 1st round), but for now we can cover with the blitz and concentrate on stopping the run. i thought Lavar would add the pass rush like he did under Marvin Lewis, and teamed up with Marcus Washington, i had visions of them reaking havoc on passing downs. Lavar might still do it in the near future.

i think we should draft the top rated strong safety to pair up with Taylor. no one drafts a strong safety, so the best one should be available deep into the draft, which is where our picks will have to come from next year.

[jonesy]

our db's are banged up and you can bet Denver comes after us and lemar marshall

[BurgundyNGold]

well i would not necessarily say we have "older DB's".
Harris is 31
Jimoh is 25
Rogers is 24
Springs is 30
Bowen is 28
Clark is 25
Prioleau is 28
Stoutmire is 31
Taylor is 22.

but you're right, we are thin at corner. in my opinion (like your's), Jimoh doesnt count, so we only have 3 corners: Springs, Rogers, Harris. that is scaring me. i saw far too much of safeties and linebackers in coverage where a corner would have been preferrable. next year's top pick or top free agent pickup might be another corner.
You forget about how young ST is sometimes. He is too young to be such a bad@ss.

[redwolf1218]

our db's are banged up and you can bet Denver comes after us and lemar marshall
that is exactly what scares me about those long drives we gave up to Seattle when the game was in the balance near the end. we were exposed and thus provided film of how and where to attack.

[BurgundyNGold]

that is exactly what scares me about those long drives we gave up to Seattle when the game was in the balance near the end. we were exposed and thus provided film of how and where to attack.
That's true, but GW didn't blitz Hasselbeck hardly at all. Expect that to change if Denver tries the same thing. Also, teams have been using 3 step drops against GW's D since the middle of last season. I suspect they'll continue to do that.

[redskin_rich]

as for a pass rushing defensive end, i thought we should have taken one early in the draft years ago to learn from Bruce Smith, kinda like Pierce and Marshall learned from Barrow. we tried when Casserly inexplicably picked Kenard Lang (not even on the top 10 list at the position, and picked something like number 17 of the 1st round), but for now we can cover with the blitz and concentrate on stopping the run. i thought Lavar would add the pass rush like he did under Marvin Lewis, and teamed up with Marcus Washington, i had visions of them reaking havoc on passing downs. Lavar might still do it in the near future.

I've been wanting a good DE for 10 years now. Actually, Kenard Lang was and is good. He had some bizarre injury problems to start his career, remember the ear infection? He turned into a very good player though and he was versatile, he bailed us out playing DT for basically 2 years. The problem was when his contract came up, he wanted at least a 10 mil bonus and we either couldn't afford it or wouldn't pay that much, or both.
We don't know what exactly the situation is with LaVar, so there is no need to talk about it in this thread. I leave that at, we'll see.

We are depleted in our secondary right now but that happened to be one of our deepest units. An injury or two to either the O-Line or D-Line would be much more devastating.

[redwolf1218]

That's true, but GW didn't blitz Hasselbeck hardly at all. Expect that to change if Denver tries the same thing. Also, teams have been using 3 step drops against GW's D since the middle of last season. I suspect they'll continue to do that.
teams are also trying to line up quickly to catch us in certain packages to throw against the run package and pass against the run package. everyone knows about all the different substitutions and packages now. Williams will adjust though. a few tackles for loss on the quick throws out to the wide receivers, or a few crushing hits on the slants, both of which we saw in the Seattle game, might curtail that somewhat. Seattle tried it and ended up with a wide receiver with broken ribs.

i think with Marshall, unlike a guy like Ray Lewis or another stud middle linebacker, is Marshall is so small, there's no reason to worry about finding him and blocking him with a guard or fullback. he's better in pass defense and pursuit. pursuit is where he excells with his speed. he's out there to call the plays, but a guy like Alexander can be left one on one with him up the middle and run over him. try to stretch him out and he'll run sideline to sideline with his speed.

the game with Denver will be another chess match.

[thecheat48]

that is exactly what scares me about those long drives we gave up to Seattle when the game was in the balance near the end. we were exposed and thus provided film of how and where to attack.

I had another committment so i missed the second half and havent watched the full tape yet, but i heard that taylor was out for a lot of the half. Is that true?

Could/Should we have kept Wilds and put Nemo on the practice squad? I doubt he is going to see much time (behind even Rock, as far as i cant tell) and someone like Wilds would have been great to keep, especially with the reliance on good cover DBs in GW defensive schemes. Keeping 10 DBs is a lot though. Most teams keep 8 or 9, right?

[redskin_rich]

I had another committment so i missed the second half and havent watched the full tape yet, but i heard that taylor was out for a lot of the half. Is that true?

Could/Should we have kept Wilds and put Nemo on the practice squad? I doubt he is going to see much time (behind even Rock, as far as i cant tell) and someone like Wilds would have been great to keep, especially with the reliance on good cover DBs in GW defensive schemes. Keeping 10 DBs is a lot though. Most teams keep 8 or 9, right?
Taylor was definitely in pain, every break(commercial or time out) between plays, he would just get down on one knee, right where he was lined up to be. Most other players were walking around or going to the sidelines for water. At one point, they had someone go out to Taylor to give him water.
I really didn't notice him in the 2nd half and in the 4th quarter, the Seahawks were driving towards the far end zone from where I was sitting, so I didn't know who was in.

We kept 9 DB's (4 CB's and 5 S's) and I think that is as much as you can without being dangerously thin elsewhere.

[NCskinfan]

I'm worried about Taylor. From my(our) experience with him these past two years, he has shown to be the kind of player who would never take himself out of a game unless he was seriously hurt. There has been passing talk of a shoulder injury in the redksin news for the past 1-2 weeks, and even before he left the game, he just didn't look like himself out there. I went back and watched the tape, and it was clear he was in pain the entire game.

Sean Taylor showing pain = bad news. And think about it, his style of play is Taylor-made (sorry, just had to do it) for a shoulder injury.

I hope I'm wrong.

[techskinsfan]

two players that we cut that played well but i was wondering if after an injury they would be avail for pickup...wilds and andre lott...anyone know where theyre at now?

[Redskin-4-life]

two players that we cut that played well but i was wondering if after an injury they would be avail for pickup...wilds and andre lott...anyone know where theyre at now?
Espn.com says that Wilds is on the panthers roster, but Lott is MIA.

[Redskin-4-life]

I was just thinking that I haven't heard much about Jimoh lately, he must be playing better so far this year.:)

[redskin_rich]

Espn.com says that Wilds is on the panthers roster, but Lott is MIA.
I thought Lott had a fracture in his leg and wouldn't be able to play this year anyway.

[redskinz#1fan]

our db's are banged up and you can bet Denver comes after us and lemar marshall

I really hope that they do, because then this will be the game that we increase our interceptions by a huge amount. They (Secondary) may be beat up, but they aren't playing beat-up. We will be ok.

[WarEagle]

well i would not necessarily say we have "older DB's".
Harris is 31
Jimoh is 25
Rogers is 24
Springs is 30
Bowen is 28
Clark is 25
Prioleau is 28
Stoutmire is 31
Taylor is 22.
.

Thanks, redwolf. This is excellent research. This board is invaluable for this kind of intell.

[redwolf1218]

Thanks, redwolf. This is excellent research. This board is invaluable for this kind of intell.
thanks. notice the ages are pretty young on the average, but at corner there are some who are a little long in the tooth. that's why you bring in a guy like Carlos Rogers to learn from the vets, and we are soon going to need another one (Jimoh is not the answer there). the starters at corner i mean, they are older (Harris and Springs). at safety they are younger (Taylor and Clark).

[CowboyKilla]

Happy to have Pierson back, that will help.
Harris is starting to worry me a little.

[smoak]

Yeah, I really think Prioleau helps this defense a lot. We'll need another young corner in the draft/FA market this offseason as well.

[UK#21Destroyer]

I remember watching the NFL draft last year when we picked Taylor, Kiper was rightly saying what an awesome player he is "The best safety I've ever graded", but he did say that Taylor struggled with his tackling in his last season in Miami with a shoulder injury!!

I hope this current injury isnt going to linger all season.

[flave1969]

Welcome to the board UK#21. I agree with you about Taylor, he carries a fear factor that makes other teams aware of his presence, I dont want to lose that. Seattle seemed to find extra space when he went out of the game at the end.