View Full Version : Wednesday Morning QB Poll (Week 4)
BurgundyNGold
10-05-2005, 10:10 AM
Week 4 saw our Redskins win a close one in OT against the Shehawks to remain atop the totem poll in the NFC East at 3-0. The last time we were 3-0? The Superbowl year of 1991 -- also under Gibbs. The town is upbeat for sure, but how is the team's starting QB performing thus far?
What's your opinion on the Redskins starting QB? Here's how it works: Every week you vote for either "Approve", "Disapprove" or "Undecided". This question is a general feeling question, so it's not necessarily a result of the previous week's effort. I will then chart the results and post them as part of the next weeks poll. The polls will stay open until Saturday PM.
Ready, set ... vote!
Here is how YOU have voted this season:
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RedskinRyan
10-05-2005, 10:13 AM
i approve. 11/15 on 3rd downs? whats not to like there. brunell was efficient the entire game vs seattle. if our last 65 minutes of play are any indication, he will look even better vs denver now that he's more back into the flow of the game. i may even go buy his jersey today(ok, im kidding there).
hockeygoalie29
10-05-2005, 10:15 AM
How can anyone disaprove after last week. I've been voting "no opinion" for the first 3 or 4 votes because I wanted to see how Brunell looked this year. Well, he showed me (and everyone else in DC) just how good he can be. If he played as well last year as he did this past Sunday, we would have been an 11-5 team or better.
IowaSkinsFan
10-05-2005, 10:15 AM
I have done a 180 based on last weeks game. Approve.
GWBlitzST
10-05-2005, 10:26 AM
If anyone disapproves of Mark Brunell they should be banned for being a troll.
smoak
10-05-2005, 10:30 AM
Anyone who disaprroves of the QB play from last week need to be thumped in the head.
Sweepea436
10-05-2005, 10:30 AM
I approved before, I approve now. 11/125 on 3rd, 2 long game saving scrambles on those old legs........ that man is bringing everything he has left. I hope it's enough!!
smoak
10-05-2005, 10:31 AM
If anyone disapproves of Mark Brunell they should be banned for being a troll.
LOL! Great minds I suppose.
In all honesty, I hope Brunell and the offense can build on some of the things they've shown because I think they are really starting to click.
BurgundyNGold
10-05-2005, 10:34 AM
If anyone disapproves of Mark Brunell they should be banned for being a troll.
Hey, the guy went from an 83.1% approval rating to 51.9% during a friggin' BYE week. Anything is possible; that's why we do the polls. :)
GWBlitzST
10-05-2005, 10:40 AM
Hey, the guy went from an 83.1% approval rating to 51.9% during a friggin' BYE week. Anything is possible; that's why we do the polls. :)
I missed the poll last week, but when I saw the 51% on the home page, I freaked out and immediately came to this thread to share my opinion on the matter, which is that no other QB on the Redskins or in free agency could have performed like Mark has. We could easily be 0-3 without him.
smoak
10-05-2005, 10:41 AM
Hey, the guy went from an 83.1% approval rating to 51.9% during a friggin' BYE week. Anything is possible; that's why we do the polls. :)
Put it this way, I'd love for anyone who disaproves to post as to why they disapprove after Brunell was basically having a near perfect game for awhile. I don't even attribute the pick to him as it was tipped up in the air by Portis and not a bad throw.
redskinz#1fan
10-05-2005, 11:04 AM
Brunell may not be our QB for the future, but he is looking damn good right now. And right now is all that matters! If he can have this type of performance week in and week out, this team will be looking the Eagles in the eyes for the division. Good job Brunell!
dj_stouty
10-05-2005, 11:06 AM
Put it this way, I'd love for anyone who disaproves to post as to why they disapprove after Brunell was basically having a near perfect game for awhile. I don't even attribute the pick to him as it was tipped up in the air by Portis and not a bad throw.
The only reason I could see someone disapprove of Brunell is if they are Ramsey fans who are still jaded about him being benched.
I hope this isnt the case. After all...any Redskin QB who actually WINS games should be a fan favorite.
JoeJacksonTaylor28
10-05-2005, 11:55 AM
I went from Disapprove to Undecided to Approve finally. Hopefully I will stick there.
ChiefPowhatan17
10-05-2005, 12:13 PM
As long as we are winning we have a good QB..
Former pro-bowler is showing his old form...
SkinsASchamps
10-05-2005, 12:14 PM
100 percent approval. wow
X-Factor13
10-05-2005, 12:27 PM
Why shouldn't i approve? The only interception he threw was a tipped pass, which was beyond his control. He mastered the offense not just for 5 minutes this time, but for four quarters. I am PROUD of this guy.
BurgundyNGold
10-05-2005, 12:41 PM
100 percent approval. wow
For those of you who don't know, this is offically known as a "jinx". :D
dukeuch
10-05-2005, 12:58 PM
I am not a Brunell fan, but 3-0 is 3-0, I gotta give him credit so far. I am still undiecided, though. Face it, we are two great plays and one missed field goal from 1-2, and that one win was a close one against a pretty lame team.
I hope Brunell keeps it up but am reserving judgement for the next couple of games.
dj_stouty
10-05-2005, 12:58 PM
Next time, make the poll "public" so we can see who voted for what...
BurgundyNGold
10-05-2005, 01:02 PM
Next time, make the poll "public" so we can see who voted for what...
"There shall be retribution for the non-believers!", lol.
bfauble83
10-05-2005, 01:05 PM
For the first time this year, I approve!!!
BurgundyNGold
10-05-2005, 01:06 PM
For those of you who don't know, this is offically known as a "jinx". :D
And the other shoes drops.
swheeler
10-05-2005, 01:10 PM
No way you can't approve of this. I just hope that he stays healthy, and that Campbell's taking notes.
chrisbcbu
10-05-2005, 01:15 PM
Next time, make the poll "public" so we can see who voted for what...
Well someone already came forward about picking undecided.
I have approved since the first week and i still approve now. Keep it up Brunell!!
Keino
10-05-2005, 01:23 PM
I am not a Brunell fan, but 3-0 is 3-0, I gotta give him credit so far. I am still undiecided, though. Face it, we are two great plays and one missed field goal from 1-2, and that one win was a close one against a pretty lame team.
I hope Brunell keeps it up but am reserving judgement for the next couple of games.
Unbelieveable. I can understand reserving judgement especially given last year, but the part in bold, I cannot understand for the life of me this line of argument. The plays were made, and the plays involved our QB each and everytime. It's safe to say that he is at least 50% responsible for the great plays made (The 25 yard run on 3rd and 27, the 2 perfectly thrown balls when we needed to have them, the 13 yard run on 3rd & 9 against Seattle, the 11-13 on 3rd down against Seattle), yet we are effectively removing them from part of the evaluation process? We are 3-0. "What Ifs" should not be factored into the evaluation. BTW - Chicago may be lame on offense, but they are one of the better defensive teams in the league...
whitskins
10-05-2005, 02:39 PM
Unbelieveable. I can understand reserving judgement especially given last year, but the part in bold, I cannot understand for the life of me this line of argument. The plays were made, and the plays involved our QB each and everytime. It's safe to say that he is at least 50% responsible for the great plays made (The 25 yard run on 3rd and 27, the 2 perfectly thrown balls when we needed to have them, the 13 yard run on 3rd & 9 against Seattle, the 11-13 on 3rd down against Seattle), yet we are effectively removing them from part of the evaluation process? We are 3-0. "What Ifs" should not be factored into the evaluation. BTW - Chicago may be lame on offense, but they are one of the better defensive teams in the league...
I agree with you this baffles me and is bordering on ridiculous. If you're voting on how well your QB played you don't freaking say "well if you take away his two best plays that ended up winning the game he wouldn't have done well..." Uh, duh...
And who cares about the missed field goal, what does that have to do with Brunell? His one interception was just bad luck, other than that he played a great game all around and along with Santana and Novak won us the darn game in overtime. What the heck does a missed field goal from Seattle have to do with that?
I'm glad Brunell is finally getting some love from the masses, last year was last year, any Redskins QB who puts up wins is fine by me.
LATrueRedskin
10-05-2005, 02:45 PM
Who wouldn't approve? We're 3-0 and Brunell is making fantastic decisions with the ball. He's much improved from last year.
RoanokeSkin
10-05-2005, 02:47 PM
For the first time ever, I voted approve. I sure hope he keeps it up.
silverspring
10-05-2005, 02:53 PM
I think i clicked disaprove by accident i meant to click undecided. However I approve of brunell's play, last game I thought he put together a full consistent game of decent qb play not just 5 minutes. I admit that I was pleasantly suprised.
However I am still very hesitant to approve of the qb situation in general cause I am still miffed by how the whole thing was handled and I still can't shake my lingering feeling of anger towards his play last year. It is hard for me to believe that brunell's performance last year won't reappear, but I am crossing my fingers.
CNYSkinFan
10-05-2005, 02:59 PM
two things 3rd and 27 Dallas, Brunell runs for 25 yards juking out a defender to get us in striking distance for 4th and 2 and going on to win the game. #2 is 3rd and 10, OT and Burnell scampers for 15 yards to keep the drive alive and the game winning FG.
I hated Brunell last year and hated the singing of him in the first place...but I definitely approve of our QB sit. now.
Sonoma
10-05-2005, 05:27 PM
I voted no opinion the past weeks but now I approve. Brunell showed a very good game on Sunday and I hope he just improves upon that and our offense can get some more points. We have the yardage and T.O.P. but not alot of points to show for it.
ryflan47
10-05-2005, 05:28 PM
WOW! What a landslide so far! You go lefty!
lakeskin
10-05-2005, 06:38 PM
I was against the switch from Ramsey to Brunnell. Not that I thought Ramsey was better than Brunnell. I just felt it was bad timing and that Joe should have waited at least another game.
If he had taken my advice we would be 1-2 right now. Approve. Brunnell will only get better as his timing improves with the recievers and he begins to release the ball earlier.
Biggie
10-05-2005, 06:42 PM
Approve, absolutely. Those scrambles are saving us games.
RedskinsVision
10-05-2005, 07:23 PM
Undecided, Approve, Approve.
we heard the words, "heroic" and "brave" used by Gibbs to describe Brunell last year and most us didn't believe those words.. now we're seeing what he meant.
smoak
10-06-2005, 08:32 AM
two things 3rd and 27 Dallas, Brunell runs for 25 yards juking out a defender to get us in striking distance for 4th and 2 and going on to win the game. #2 is 3rd and 10, OT and Burnell scampers for 15 yards to keep the drive alive and the game winning FG.
I hated Brunell last year and hated the singing of him in the first place...but I definitely approve of our QB sit. now.
Oh and by the way he completes the 4th and 2 with an unblocked blitzer bearing right at him... It might have been Roy, but I'm not sure?
I was also against the switch, but only b/c I was worried it would divide the lockerroom,. I never doubted Gibbs.
chrisbcbu
10-06-2005, 08:56 AM
Hmm im actually suprised that their are some ppl that still disapprove.
smoak
10-06-2005, 10:29 AM
Hmm im actually suprised that their are some ppl that still disapprove.
Mostly opposing fans I would think. there have been quite a few Denver fans around and I did see PhillyPhil and EagleAye... :)
I'm not sold Brunell is completely back, but I certainly approve so far.
frankez99
10-06-2005, 10:42 AM
I think i clicked disaprove by accident i meant to click undecided. However I approve of brunell's play, last game I thought he put together a full consistent game of decent qb play not just 5 minutes. I admit that I was pleasantly suprised.
However I am still very hesitant to approve of the qb situation in general cause I am still miffed by how the whole thing was handled and I still can't shake my lingering feeling of anger towards his play last year. It is hard for me to believe that brunell's performance last year won't reappear, but I am crossing my fingers.
silverspring....what is it going to take for you to forget about last year? If we were 6-0 or 9-0 would you still be saying the same thing? Mark Brunell's perfomance last season was an anomaly based off of his injuries...everybody knows that. Without him at the helm this season we could EASILY be 0-3. The situations the Redskins have been in require the play of a veteran, mistake-free qb like Brunell. So you are still angry about his play last year...were you angry at Pat's play? Hasselbecks play? Who made you happy last year??? All qb's on this roster last year performed terribly. Relish this 3-0 record because we all deserve it putting up with what we have the last 10+ seasons.
I 100% support the play of Brunell...no question about it.
colkurtz
10-07-2005, 01:54 AM
Approve, Approve, Approve.
I thought Brunell played horribly last season and should have been benched. He was hurt and no one knew it. This pre-season he made a big comeback and hasn't stopped.
He has made over a dozen key plays that Ramsey is incapable of making this season - scrambles, sack avoidance, long throws that actually connect and very few turnovers. He is continuing an excellent QB rating that Patrick can only dream about.
Brunell is the short term answer (2005 and 2006) for this team and is playing with passion, fire, skill, determination and guts. The decision to not play him with the real WRs this pre-season has hurt his timing, but this will improve.
We are 3-0 because of Mark Brunell and will succeed or not this season based on his play. He is an excellent role model for Jason Campbell and could get us to a wildcard spot.
redwolf1218
10-07-2005, 05:50 AM
Approve, Approve, Approve.
I thought Brunell played horribly last season and should have been benched. He was hurt and no one knew it. This pre-season he made a big comeback and hasn't stopped.
He has made over a dozen key plays that Ramsey is incapable of making this season - scrambles, sack avoidance, long throws that actually connect and very few turnovers. He is continuing an excellent QB rating that Patrick can only dream about.
Brunell is the short term answer (2005 and 2006) for this team and is playing with passion, fire, skill, determination and guts. The decision to not play him with the real WRs this pre-season has hurt his timing, but this will improve.
We are 3-0 because of Mark Brunell and will succeed or not this season based on his play. He is an excellent role model for Jason Campbell and could get us to a wildcard spot.
you're right, and Brunell's play should not be underestimated. he and Moss are our mvp's so far this year.
Seebs
10-07-2005, 07:38 AM
Signed, Sealed, Delivered!
Approved!
dukeuch
10-07-2005, 12:36 PM
Unbelieveable. I can understand reserving judgement especially given last year, but the part in bold, I cannot understand for the life of me this line of argument. The plays were made, and the plays involved our QB each and everytime. It's safe to say that he is at least 50% responsible for the great plays made (The 25 yard run on 3rd and 27, the 2 perfectly thrown balls when we needed to have them, the 13 yard run on 3rd & 9 against Seattle, the 11-13 on 3rd down against Seattle), yet we are effectively removing them from part of the evaluation process? We are 3-0. "What Ifs" should not be factored into the evaluation. BTW - Chicago may be lame on offense, but they are one of the better defensive teams in the league...
I don't really care if you agree or not, and I really hope Brunell keeps it up. What I am trying to point out is that despite the wins, they are not a result of good offense, nor good QB'ing. We have scored three touchdowns in three games. We are averaging 13 points a game. Think that's good? 3-0 is good, and I give Brunell credit for his part.
I remain undecided.
Keino
10-07-2005, 12:57 PM
I don't really care if you agree or not, and I really hope Brunell keeps it up. What I am trying to point out is that despite the wins, they are not a result of good offense, nor good QB'ing. We have scored three touchdowns in three games. We are averaging 13 points a game. Think that's good? 3-0 is good, and I give Brunell credit for his part.
I remain undecided.
Again, I don't have an issue with being undecided at this point, just your flawed argument. Your point is more than understood, but to not acknowledge better QBing than we've seen from this franchise since Brad Johnson was here is to deny the obvious truth.
I think it's good QBing that made the 2 plays you would like to discount from your analysis. I think it was tremendous QBing that led to 2 game saving/changing scrambles you don't even allude to in your assessment, and I think it excellent QBing that went 11-13 on 3rd Downs, the majority of which were 3rd and longs.
And since you want to deal with What If Speculation, what if Ramsey was still the QB? We would be 1-2 or 0-3 right now. Given that, I am more than pleased with the QB play right now and it's steady imporvement over the last 3 games.
dukeuch
10-07-2005, 01:03 PM
Again, I don't have an issue with being undecided at this point, just your flawed argument. Your point is more than understood, but to not acknowledge better QBing than we've seen from this franchise since Brad Johnson was here is to deny the obvious truth.
I think it's good QBing that made the 2 plays you would like to discount from your analysis. I think it was tremendous QBing that led to 2 game saving/changing scrambles you don't even allude to in your assessment, and I think it excellent QBing that went 11-13 on 3rd Downs, the majority of which were 3rd and longs.
And since you want to deal with What If Speculation, what if Ramsey was still the QB? We would be 1-2 or 0-3 right now. Given that, I am more than pleased with the QB play right now and it's steady imporvement over the last 3 games.
Based on what?
Look, we are scoring some timely points and making some timely plays, which is important, but I don't see much consistency, and we are talking about all of three games here. As far as I am concerned, we have beaten only one good team, and while we played well in that game, they missed a very makeable field goal to lose that one.
We have two games against good teams. If Brunell plays well in them, I'll convert.
Discalced
10-07-2005, 01:06 PM
Every week gets better and better as far as Brunell's management of the offense is concerned. Every week that he (and the whole offense) proves up to task with handling the fundamentals will prompt added wrinkles and adjustments until this engine is running at full steam. Redskins are looking good. We should all feel quite confident about where Gibbs, with Brunell as his Field Lieutenant, is taking this team.
Keino
10-07-2005, 02:36 PM
Based on what?
Look, we are scoring some timely points and making some timely plays, which is important, but I don't see much consistency, and we are talking about all of three games here. As far as I am concerned, we have beaten only one good team, and while we played well in that game, they missed a very makeable field goal to lose that one.
We have two games against good teams. If Brunell plays well in them, I'll convert.
I've cited what Im basing my analysis on and much of that is on the timely plays he has made as QB of this team and his playmaking with his legs.
I don't mid you not being sold, Im just tired of people discounting the positive when make an assessment. It reminds me of last year when people would argue "If you take away Clinton's 64 yard run, he only had 30 yards"
BurgundyNGold
10-07-2005, 02:39 PM
I've cited what Im basing my analysis on and much of that is on the timely plays he has made as QB of this team and his playmaking with his legs.
I don't mid you not being sold, Im just tired of people discounting the positive when make an assessment. It reminds me of last year when people would argue "If you take away Clinton's 64 yard run, he only had 30 yards"
If you take away that run, we're 5-11. ;)
Keino
10-07-2005, 02:53 PM
If you take away that run, we're 5-11. ;)
I liked RedskinsDave's If-Then comment yesterday.
If you take away all of Seattle's 1st downs, we didn't give up a single 1st down.
BurgundyNGold
10-07-2005, 03:10 PM
I liked RedskinsDave's If-Then comment yesterday.
If you take away all of Seattle's 1st downs, we didn't give up a single 1st down.
Touche, lol.
NCskinsfanatic
10-07-2005, 03:20 PM
I voted approve but then again, I've approved of his play over Ramseys since he took the job in week 1. I backed Mark last season and found there to be as many problems with the offensive scheme and execution as I did the QB play. Ramsey was given 7 games, the offseason and the preseason to secure the job and couldnt. I've always liked his guts, strong arm and potential but while that may be enough in college it isnt in the NFL. Brunell continues to improve and as the offense as a whole improves he will only look better and better. My point is if the running game and OLine continue to improve so will Brunell, this guy is a solid veteran QB and I think he's got more left than just this season, maybe only 1 or 2, but IMHO he's far from finished.
skins74
10-07-2005, 03:25 PM
Brunell is earning some of that money now.
AGibbsGirl
10-07-2005, 05:37 PM
I said approved. I see the confidence I was looking for.
golongdude
10-07-2005, 07:51 PM
Brunell's veteran leadership is what we need to get this offense to the next level. I can't wait to see how things look by mid-season. I think it will only go upwards.
They seriously need to protect Mark this year!!
redwolf1218
10-07-2005, 08:14 PM
I've cited what Im basing my analysis on and much of that is on the timely plays he has made as QB of this team and his playmaking with his legs.
I don't mid you not being sold, Im just tired of people discounting the positive when make an assessment. It reminds me of last year when people would argue "If you take away Clinton's 64 yard run, he only had 30 yards"
people are always saying stuff like that..."if you take away this or take away that". i like to say "well how about if you doubled it? how about (2) 64 yard runs by Portis? how about 2 long scrambles by Brunell?
flave1969
10-07-2005, 08:21 PM
We wondered whether Brunell could throw the deep ball. See Dallas.
We wondered if Brunell could get us Touchdowns in the Red Zone. See Seattle.
We wondered if Brunell still had the mobility to get out of trouble. See Dallas and Seattle.
Brunell is running the Offense very efficiently. There have been a lot of "what ifs" in this thread. Well what is certain is we have seen improvement each week from our Offense and they are slowly gaining my trust. I will admit that Brunell has proved me wrong. He has thrown two touchdowns in each start and if he continues in that vain we will have a good season.
GibbsRules!
10-07-2005, 08:39 PM
Brunell is running the Offense very efficiently. There have been a lot of "what ifs" in this thread. Well what is certain is we have seen improvement each week from our Offense and they are slowly gaining my trust. I will admit that Brunell has proved me wrong. He has thrown two touchdowns in each start and if he continues in that vain we will have a good season.
Very true flave. I think he has fully gained the trust of those surrounding him as well...something that was sorely lacking last year. Narrow victories (especially come from behind ones) have a way of doing that. Trust in each others ability is paramount. Brunell is gaining more each week from the fans, his coaches, his teammates and most importantly he's trusting himself.
BTW, I wholeheartedly approve!
redwolf1218
10-07-2005, 08:44 PM
We wondered whether Brunell could throw the deep ball. See Dallas.
We wondered if Brunell could get us Touchdowns in the Red Zone. See Seattle.
We wondered if Brunell still had the mobility to get out of trouble. See Dallas and Seattle.
Brunell is running the Offense very efficiently. There have been a lot of "what ifs" in this thread. Well what is certain is we have seen improvement each week from our Offense and they are slowly gaining my trust. I will admit that Brunell has proved me wrong. He has thrown two touchdowns in each start and if he continues in that vain we will have a good season.
Brunell has the deep ball (if only once in a while).
He has the leadership and mistake free decisions in the red zone.
He has the feel of pressure in the pocket and the mobility. he knows when he has to run...
golongdude
10-07-2005, 08:48 PM
And each week he gets more reps running the first team offense. It will continue to improve. Assuming he hasn't been turned into a pancake.
redwolf1218
10-07-2005, 08:53 PM
And each week he gets more reps running the first team offense. It will continue to improve. Assuming he hasn't been turned into a pancake.
that's a good point. to be honest, we really havent been very good, so we should be improving, while some other teams may be showing their best efforts already. i think we are slowly opening up the play book and getting better and better.
the first week Portis did well. the second week Moss did well. the thrid week Brunell led the team and there was a good mixture, though not really spectacular. this week we should see improvement on all fronts.
special teams seems to be improving too.
we are due for some turnovers and points on defense, and Plummer is a good candidate to provide it.
of the 4 teams that are undefeated, one is plus 2 in turnovers, one is plus 3 and the Bengals are an amazing plus 13 with 9 interceptions. (i think those stats are accurate, or very close, because i was just reading about it today). we are the only ones in the minus, although we have cause something like 8 turnovers, it's just that we never recover the ball. we are due.
golongdude
10-07-2005, 08:58 PM
I smell some more razzle-dazzle. Last year's trick plays were absolutely awesome! As if Gibbs had been compiling them all the years he was out. Actually, he probably has a TON of plays that he created. I love his creativity!
BurgundyNGold
10-08-2005, 10:45 PM
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BurgundyNGold
10-08-2005, 11:14 PM
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