Mcnabb Or Vick, Whos better?

[284ever]

I think Vick is and will be far superior to McNabb. He is stronger, faster, and can run better than McNabb. He also has a stronger arm. I was on the eagles site and they are convinced that mcNabb is better.

[Skaggsrules]

Vick is better, he is from the Tidewater area

[Candiman]

Get real, right now McNabb hands down, all must wait and see if Vick contiues to develope or if he regresses. Let's see what the "D" coordinators come up with to stop Vick this year. No doubt he is a talent, but certainly not McNabb yet.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by Candiman
Get real, right now McNabb hands down, all must wait and see if Vick contiues to develope or if he regresses. Let's see what the "D" coordinators come up with to stop Vick this year. No doubt he is a talent, but certainly not McNabb yet.

I have to agree with this. Saying that Vick is stronger then McNabb is a total stretch also IMO.

[Skinzaholic]

My only disagreement is in athletic ability. When I see McNabb run it looks as if he is brand new at it. The reason he gets the yardage is a mixture of a good team around him and the fact that he is huge. Vick seems to float and has a ton of skill... I have never been impressed with McNabb (especially when he beats us single-handedly).

[Skins57]

Right now McNabb is the better but in time Vick may pass him, just depends on the team around them also

[TexSkin]

Vick to me is ten times better the Mcnabb...you can just see it when he plays. The guy is still raw but you can tell this is the kind of guy,given the right talent around him will lead his team to the Superbowl.

[bfauble83]

I'd say McNabb is better now, but I may change my mind by the end of the season.

[Green-Is-Good]

when mcnabb was in his second season, he did not have the accuracy that vick had. they both had mediocre targets. vick has the arm, the accuracy, and he runs almost as fast as barry sanders.

[AZ#1SkinsFan]

McNabb may be more polished overall, but Vick is the better athlete and will be a much better QB when all is said and done. Nobody makes defenses freeze like Vick.

[jsarno]

McNabb is better. McNabb is better at everything except running. (and he's not too shabby at that...he's one of those guys that has speed but doesn't look like it...ala Jerry Rice) For anyoen that thinks he doesn't, just ask Champ Bailey when he was sent to his knees by McNabb and out ran lavar.
McNabb has leadership qualities that Vick misses. I'm not sure on arm strength...they are pretty close here, but I give the nod to McNabb because he's much more accurate with it.

Let's not forget Kordell Stewart came into the league with a bang, and turned out to be terrible. Vick needs a few more seasons for this to be a contest.

[Skins57]

I wonder how much McNabbs injury last yea is going to change his running, if it will at all

Vick was saying at the Espys he is going to try to stay in the pocket more this year, even though I doubt it

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Skins57
I wonder how much McNabbs injury last yea is going to change his running, if it will at all

Vick was saying at the Espys he is going to try to stay in the pocket more this year, even though I doubt it


I don't understand why he would say that! He was deadly OUTSIDE the pocket.
Kordell Stewart said the EXACT same thing. He wanted peopel to respect him for his arm, not his scrambling ability. Vick may be headed down that road of caring about how people view him compared to if they win games.

[Green-Is-Good]

i think that vick does not need to scramble as much this year. he has better targets. he does not need to buy time to find an open man.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Green_is_Good
i think that vick does not need to scramble as much this year. he has better targets. he does not need to buy time to find an open man.

I just didn't think his targets were the problem last year as much as reluctance to throw to them.

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by jsarno
I just didn't think his targets were the problem last year as much as reluctance to throw to them.

you can't be serious. when brian finneran is your #1 reciever, would you throw it to him? finn had 56 catches. there was a lot of pressure on him as the go-to-guy. he is a #2 or #3 wr, really.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

id rather have vick. im a fan of his and plus i dont like mcnabb cuz he plays for the bagels :) . even if vick didnt know half of what he was doing out there last year, he did enough to get his average team into the playoffs. once he learns the ins and outs of the game, he can be great. vick is faster, quicker and has better accuracy and a cannon for an arm. mcnabb is more seasoned, bigger and stronger. vick is not a quarterback with legs, he is a runningback with an arm.

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by LadyNRedskinsfan
vick is not a quarterback with legs, he is a runningback with an arm.

that is not true. he did carry the ball about a fifth of every down he played, and lead the league in average ypc, but, uh, i forgot where i was going with this.

can you believe that he wants to raise his weight to 240 lbs next year? he would be almost impossible to take down.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Green_is_Good
you can't be serious. when brian finneran is your #1 reciever, would you throw it to him? finn had 56 catches. there was a lot of pressure on him as the go-to-guy. he is a #2 or #3 wr, really.

I think you took me a little too literally. I'm not saying he had a great squad...but I watched a few of his games, and instead of trusting himself as a qb, he'd run. There were MANY times he didn't let the ball fly when a reciever was open. He made choices not to throw to his recievers...probably a rookie starter thing.

His 54.9% completion is evident of that.
Before you go blaming the system, Doug Johnson had a 64.9% completion!!!

[jsarno]

by the way, in 113 rushing attempts, he had a whopping 6 fumbles. Not a good ratio. He still has a lot to learn.

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by jsarno
Doug Johnson had a 64.9% completion!!!

he started ONE game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by jsarno
by the way, in 113 rushing attempts, he had a whopping 6 fumbles. Not a good ratio. He still has a lot to learn.

if he learns to slide....

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Green_is_Good
he started ONE game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mere technicality! :D

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Green_is_Good
if he learns to slide....

yeah...he has more than that to learn.
He's quite talented, I hope he just plays his game and not let others influence him.

[284ever]

For Vick to go into Lambeau and beat the cheeseheads was impressive. Of course Mcnabb is smarter hes a seasoned veteran with one of the best O-lines in the league. Remember Mcnabb second year? Vick was much more explosive and that was his first year starting. I dont remember Mcnabb outrunning Lavar, but I do remember a couple years ago Lavar being mcnabbs shadow. Mcnabb had a horrible game amd only 17 yrds rushing.. and that was the last play of the game.

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by 284ever
For Vick to go into Lambeau and beat the cheeseheads was impressive. Of course Mcnabb is smarter hes a seasoned veteran with one of the best O-lines in the league. Remember Mcnabb second year? Vick was much more explosive and that was his first year starting. I dont remember Mcnabb outrunning Lavar, but I do remember a couple years ago Lavar being mcnabbs shadow. Mcnabb had a horrible game amd only 17 yrds rushing.. and that was the last play of the game.

did you not foget that McNabb ran for 125 yards against us?

[Hailyeah]

McNabb's the better QB. Hands down. Vick performed well and the GB win was very impressive, but McNabb is far more accurate than Vick and has superior decision making ability than Vick. The only reason this is a question is that McNabb was hurt for 6-8 weeks last season and came back rusty for the playoffs while Vick was a new face, so to speak, who was fortunate enough not to get hurt.

What about those balls McNabb was slinging in the MNF 37-7 Spurrier-lip-flappin game last year? Are you kidding me? That was an incredible performance. For those of you that were there, was the crowd not jazzed to the max in the 1st quarter and didn't McNabb deflate the whole joint with his arm? Granted, our D didn't help by not covering the middle of the field, but McNabb killed them early and the Skins never recovered.

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by Hailyeah
McNabb's the better QB. Hands down. Vick performed well and the GB win was very impressive, but McNabb is far more accurate than Vick and has superior decision making ability than Vick. The only reason this is a question is that McNabb was hurt for 6-8 weeks last season and came back rusty for the playoffs while Vick was a new face, so to speak, who was fortunate enough not to get hurt.

What about those balls McNabb was slinging in the MNF 37-7 Spurrier-lip-flappin game last year? Are you kidding me? That was an incredible performance. For those of you that were there, was the crowd not jazzed to the max in the 1st quarter and didn't McNabb deflate the whole joint with his arm? Granted, our D didn't help by not covering the middle of the field, but McNabb killed them early and the Skins never recovered.

yeah, i heard they even used pepper spray on the fans. i was upset. i've always wanted to participate in a riot.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Whoa, whoa, hold up here. McNabb more accurate? Excuse me? Completion percentage doesn't necessarily tell the whole story. Let's not forget that the entire game plan of defenses facing Philly for the past few years has been to force McNabb to beat them with his arm. When teams are successful at that, the Eagles offense becomes average. The recieving corps is, or at least was, a bit better as well. I'd take Thrash or Pinkston over Finneran any day. And McNabb's got one of the best lines in the league to protect him and give him time to makee good throws. And before anyone pulls out the "But he made four touchdown passes with a broken leg!" argument, let's not forget that that was against the Cardinals. If you recall, Shane Matthews was the NFC Offensive Player of the week when he played Arizona.

Vick may not have led the league in completion percentage, but there's no denying that he can hit bullseyes. I still remember watching one Falcons game where Vick scrambled out of the pocket, rolled to his left until he was about two steps from being out of bounds, then heaved an absolute laser all the way across the field to a reciever streaking down the other sideline 41 yards from the line of scrimmage. He hit him perfectly in stride. Absolutely beautiful pass. I just can't see McNabb making that sort of throw.

[Spence]

McNabb is better now. Vick is gaining on him. Vick will be better. He'll be the best.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Spence is correct.

McNabb is the better overall quarterback currently. Vick has the best physical potential. McNabb has the luxury of having an offensive minded coach. Dan Reeves, on the other hand, is not the ideal candidate for a prosperous QB career. Ask John Elway. Ask the PA Elway fan who posts here.

But the Falcons are trying. Who's that receiver they got from the Bills, Moulds?

284ever is right too. Vick went up to Lambeau and made the cheeseheads look old and tired, on grass in the cold. If Vick has the tutelage, support and players around him, he will be the standard by which QB's in the next 20 years will be judged.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by robert11273
Dan Reeves, on the other hand, is not the ideal candidate for a prosperous QB career. Ask John Elway. Ask the PA Elway fan who posts here.

How can you sit there and honestly say that Reeves didn't mold Elway into the sure fire hall of fame QB he is??? Elway took 3 teams (all with no real RB) to SuperBowls UNDER Reeves.
PS- QB coaches are more a factor than anything now a days, so Reeves doesn't have nearly as much sway on Vick as the old days.

But the Falcons are trying. Who's that receiver they got from the Bills, Moulds?

Peerless Price...and they overpaid. (but at least they are showing the willingness to get some WR for Vick.)

284ever is right too. Vick went up to Lambeau and made the cheeseheads look old and tired, on grass in the cold. If Vick has the tutelage, support and players around him, he will be the standard by which QB's in the next 20 years will be judged.

Vick is the best damn rushing QB I've ever seen. Better than Young, Better than Cunningham...better than them all, but his passing ability is not so great. He does have a good head, instead of letting one fly (like mst young QBS) and getting it picked, he took off. or took the sack. But his career 52.6% completion is terrible. He had time to throw in most cases too. If he is to be judged for the next 20 years of QB's, then it will be solely for his feetwork. At this time, he's another Kordell Stewart. PS- they said the same about him after his breakout season. Give him a good QB coach, and he'll be a good qb, he will never be a great QB.