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[dj_stouty]

HAHAH i just realized that i guy i work with is a huge KC fan. I didnt remember until he started talking trash to me. He keeps talking the same stuff over and over about the Skins havent played anyone and havent beat anyone. But he kinda got quiet when i reminded him who the Chiefs have beaten.

Tell him we beat two teams with top 10 defenses and two teams with top 10 offenses.

That will shut him up...

[chrisbcbu]

Tell him we beat two teams with top 10 defenses and two teams with top 10 offenses.

That will shut him up...

I have already pointed that out. But he ignores that fact, and now gave me a prediction of 35-3 Chiefs.

I asked him who is going to play defense for them, but he didnt come back with a response.

[GWBlitzST]

Chiefs fans also seem to ignore the fact that the Broncos, while averaging fewer points per game, beat them senseless on national television.

[candeeman]

Top 5 worries

1) D Hall - Simply the best return man I have ever seen. Can change a game. What I would do - kick it out of bounds on punts and kick it short and high on kickoffs - simply that the field postition hit.
2) Gonzo - Skins seem to give up to the TE across the middle. Also Gonzo has not had a good game yet.
3) Skins Cbs - they are hurting. I really like Walt and hope he can go a complete game. I am not a fan of Jimob.
4) Special Team. NO MORE BLOCKED KICKS
5) Flags/turnovers - Play mistake free ball

Top O comments

1) Moss againt KC Cbs - The dude is on a roll. Get him the ball anyway you can
2) Portis - I want to see more outside running. It seems everytime they go outside they get at least 5 yards.
3) Cooley - Continue to include Cooley. This opens up everybody else. Safety have to worry about the middle then Moss/Patten can go deep.
4) GO DEEP. It opens up everything else.
5) Keep Mark on his feet. If they do that then the O will be clicking.

[openallnight]

Top 5 worries

1) D Hall - Simply the best return man I have ever seen. Can change a game. What I would do - kick it out of bounds on punts and kick it short and high on kickoffs - simply that the field postition hit.
2) Gonzo - Skins seem to give up to the TE across the middle. Also Gonzo has not had a good game yet.
3) Skins Cbs - they are hurting. I really like Walt and hope he can go a complete game. I am not a fan of Jimob.
4) Special Team. NO MORE BLOCKED KICKS
5) Flags/turnovers - Play mistake free ball

Top O comments

1) Moss againt KC Cbs - The dude is on a roll. Get him the ball anyway you can
2) Portis - I want to see more outside running. It seems everytime they go outside they get at least 5 yards.
3) Cooley - Continue to include Cooley. This opens up everybody else. Safety have to worry about the middle then Moss/Patten can go deep.
4) GO DEEP. It opens up everything else.
5) Keep Mark on his feet. If they do that then the O will be clicking.
CM,
I'd add to worries:
Wrap up Holmes/Johnson on initial contact. We can't afford to give up the
big runs.

And to O comments:
KC D is overly aggressive, do lots of misdirection, weakside reverse pitch outs, boots and reverses.

[dj_stouty]

We can't afford to give up the
big runs.

Aint that the truth! Our D has only given up 3 running plays of 20 or more yards. One to Shaun Alexander (which led to a TD on that drive) and the two to Bell. (who reached the endzone each time)

Its those homerun plays that are keeping our scores so damn close. (Especially when our own "homerun threat", hasn't been able to pop off the big one yet)

[ChiefIronHorse]

Aint that the truth! Our D has only given up 3 running plays of 20 or more yards. One to Shaun Alexander (which led to a TD on that drive) and the two to Bell. (who reached the endzone each time)

Its those homerun plays that are keeping our scores so damn close. (Especially when our own "homerun threat", hasn't been able to pop off the big one yet)

Something has got to give this Sunday. The CHIEF's offense is ranked 3rd in 20+ rushing gains this year with 6.

[akhhorus]

CM,
I'd add to worries:
Wrap up Holmes/Johnson on initial contact. We can't afford to give up the
big runs.

And to O comments:
KC D is overly aggressive, do lots of misdirection, weakside reverse pitch outs, boots and reverses.

Good thinking, and I would hold the ball for a long time. They were able to ball control against Denver's and Seattle defenses(both of which are far better than the Chiefs), so I think they will be able to do the same on Sunday. Keep Holmes on the sidelines.

[ryflan47]

Something has got to give this Sunday. The CHIEF's offense is ranked 3rd in 20+ rushing gains this year with 6.

The Chiefs passing D is 30th in the league..
The Redskins passing attack is 12th in the league..

And Brunell is on fire.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

its the same cliche for the redskins every week. stop the run, run the ball and dont hurt yourself with stupid mistakes.

btw: :welcome: to hR chiefs fans!

[eighty2]

btw: :welcome: to hR chiefs fans!

:D

Thanks.

[ryflan47]

:D

Thanks.
Hey, I recognize you from chiefs huddle!

[ChiefIronHorse]

its the same cliche for the redskins every week. stop the run, run the ball and dont hurt yourself with stupid mistakes.

btw: :welcome: to hR chiefs fans!

Thanks! :)

[YourCompetition]

We Chief fans thankyou for the warm welcome. We look forward to returning the favor this Sunday when yall come in to our house for a visit. Ive noticed a few Chiefs fans from the Huddle over here. It seems to be the opinion of most Ive talked to over there that this is indeed a quality site. Ive been impressed with my visits so far. A great many fans with a true appreciation for the game.

(And so far not a stinking single Raider fan. ANd thats a good thing.)

[akhhorus]

We Chief fans thankyou for the warm welcome. We look forward to returning the favor this Sunday when yall come in to our house for a visit. Ive noticed a few Chiefs fans from the Huddle over here. It seems to be the opinion of most Ive talked to over there that this is indeed a quality site. Ive been impressed with my visits so far. A great many fans with a true appreciation for the game.

Fans from other teams are always welcome at HR if they realize two things:
1-This is a Redskins site.
2-Intelligent discussion only

And I have to say, that of all the fans of other teams who have come here, the Chiefs fans(with one exception) have shown they can intelligently discuss football and show class. While I hope y'all lose on Sunday, Ill be rooting for them come monday to win.

(And so far not a stinking single Raider fan. ANd thats a good thing.)

We've had problems with them. Thank God we have the HailRedskins Goon Squad now.

[YourCompetition]

May I ask. What praytell is a Hailredskins goon squad? lol

[ChiefIronHorse]

The Chiefs passing D is 30th in the league..
The Redskins passing attack is 12th in the league..

And Brunell is on fire.

The CHIEFS rushing attack is ranked 4th in the league (135.2/game).
The Skins rushing D is ranked 15th in the league (103.8/game).

The Skins rushing attack is ranked 6th in the league (133.5/game).
The CHIEFS rushing D is ranked 8th in the league (94.5/game).

That's the stats I'm looking at. Not the passing offense or passing defense. The team that establishes the running game will open up the passing game with play action and most likely win the game. Key words are "most likely." A quality rushing attack will force the defense to put 8 or 9 defenders in the box leaving one on one coverage with the WR. Just my .2 cents.

[akhhorus]

May I ask. What praytell is a Hailredskins goon squad? lol

Last thing problem users here ever see.

[ChiefIronHorse]

We Chief fans thankyou for the warm welcome. We look forward to returning the favor this Sunday when yall come in to our house for a visit. Ive noticed a few Chiefs fans from the Huddle over here. It seems to be the opinion of most Ive talked to over there that this is indeed a quality site. Ive been impressed with my visits so far. A great many fans with a true appreciation for the game.

(And so far not a stinking single Raider fan. ANd thats a good thing.)

No doubt when the time comes when the Skins play the rAIDerS that you'll being getting Chokeland "troll" fans over here. Do me a favor. Remind them that there's a virus in their name rAIDerS = AIDS and treat them as such.

Skins > rAIDerS
Skins > SD
:flower1:

[YourCompetition]

Ahh so basically you have a defensive Mod system that aggressively attackes any hostle penitrations into your sie of the field. Cool.

[YourCompetition]

No doubt when the time comes when the Skins play the rAIDerS that you'll being getting Chokeland "troll" fans over here. Do me a favor. Remind them that there's a virus in their name rAIDerS = AIDS and treat them as such.

Skins > rAIDerS
Skins > SD
:flower1:


LOL. I had not heard that one. Im gonna borrow that one. ALOT! LOL

[ryflan47]

The CHIEFS rushing attack is ranked 4th in the league (135.2/game).
The Skins rushing D is ranked 15th in the league (103.8/game).

The Skins rushing attack is ranked 6th in the league (133.5/game).
The CHIEFS rushing D is ranked 8th in the league (94.5/game).

That's the stats I'm looking at. Not the passing offense or passing defense. The team that establishes the running game will open up the passing game with play action and most likely win the game. Key words are "most likely." A quality rushing attack will force the defense to put 8 or 9 defenders in the box leaving one on one coverage with the WR. Just my .2 cents.

The Redskins tend to establish both, but we will see come game time. :D

[ChiefIronHorse]

LOL. I had not heard that one. Im gonna borrow that one. ALOT! LOL

I'm surprised that nobody ever noticed. Anytime you see me refering to Chokeland, I refer to them like this...... rAIDerS. :)

[ChiefIronHorse]

The Redskins tend to establish both, but we will see come game time. :D

I'm not predicting a win or loss by my beloved CHIEFS but they tend to establish both as well.

[YourCompetition]

I'm surprised that nobody ever noticed. Anytime you see me refering to Chokeland, I refer to them like this...... rAIDerS. :)


Well since Im just visitin and havnt been here very long I failed to notice. But no longer.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Well since Im just visitin and havnt been here very long I failed to notice. But no longer.

By the way, spread the word to fellow CHIEF fans. And by all means.... use it... ALOT!!! :flower1:

[akhhorus]

A quality rushing attack will force the defense to put 8 or 9 defenders in the box leaving one on one coverage with the WR. Just my .2 cents.

Fine with the Skins, our Cbs can handle your WRs one on one. Can we say the same about the Chiefs Cbs vs the Skins wideouts?

[ChiefIronHorse]

Fine with the Skins, our Cbs can handle your WRs one on one. Can we say the same about the Chiefs Cbs vs the Skins wideouts?

I'm not sure if your CB can handle our WRs. Kennison can get open and runs good routes. Parker has dropped a few balls here and there but has the speed. Boerigter is big, strong and fast and can cause many mismatches. The problem I see is that your secondary is banged up. Springs is suffering from a chin injury and Rogers is suffering from a ankle injury. Will they be at 100% or close to it?

I'm sure that Surtain can handle Moss. I won't say the same thing about McCleon. If Warfield is on the other side of Surtain, then the CHIEFS secondary becomes 100X better.

[ryflan47]

I'm not predicting a win or loss by my beloved CHIEFS but they tend to establish both as well.
What's up with Gonzalez? Trent Green has been less than impressive as well. IMO if they can't get the ball to Gonzalez they are not going to win.

[redskin_rich]

I'm not sure if your CB can handle our WRs. Kennison can get open and runs good routes. Parker has dropped a few balls here and there but has the speed. Boerigter is big, strong and fast and can cause many mismatches. The problem I see is that your secondary is banged up. Springs is suffering from a chin injury and Rogers is suffering from a ankle injury. Will they be at 100% or close to it?

I'm sure that Surtain can handle Moss. I won't say the same thing about McCleon. If Warfield is on the other side of Surtain, then the CHIEFS secondary becomes 100X better.
Springs has a shin injury, lol, I wish it was just his chin. He will play, the question is whether he stays in the game. Carlos will be alright, I think he just had a little swelling, he had a cast on this ankle less than 2 months ago. We also get Walt Harris back, who had been starting. Our 4th CB is our question mark, Ade Jimoh, he has a tendency to get torched every time he plays. He is great on special teams though...
We have hard hitting Safeties that will definitely make any WR brave enough to catch one over the middle pay dearly. I think Gonzo and Kennison will get a lot of bracket coverage, Parker and/or Boerigter will have to make plays in the passing game.

If Surtain goes man-up with Moss, than Moss is going to have a huge day. I would expect you all to have a Safety deep on him at all times. Don't overlook Patten, he is very fast too and him and Brunell are starting to get their timing down. Then we have Cooley, he is no Gonzo but he is pretty darn good. He will catch the underneath stuff and you all better have a LB around to tackle him.
I'm actually predicting this to be a relatively high scoring game, over 50 combined points.

[akhhorus]

I'm not sure if your CB can handle our WRs. Kennison can get open and runs good routes. Parker has dropped a few balls here and there but has the speed. Boerigter is big, strong and fast and can cause many mismatches. The problem I see is that your secondary is banged up. Springs is suffering from a chin injury and Rogers is suffering from a ankle injury. Will they be at 100% or close to it?

Springs has a shin problem and Harris has the ankle problem. Last time I checked, Springs was expected to play. None of your wideouts are anything special, Kennison can cause some problems with his speed, but he's far from a consistant threat. Parker doesn't scare me at all. Playing Hall reduces his effectiveness as a returner. Boerigter is a 4th option, but he's nothing more than that.

I'm sure that Surtain can handle Moss.

As long as Moss doesn't use his speed, you're right. But deep and fast medium routes, Surtain will be at a distinct disadvantage. Surtain has cover skills, but he lacks the speed to deal with Moss and other fast wideouts.

I won't say the same thing about McCleon. If Warfield is on the other side of Surtain, then the CHIEFS secondary becomes 100X better.

Warfield is a solid vet, but he can't cover Moss. Since Cunningham doesn't have Cbs shadow a specific player, and just cover a certain Wideout position, expect Moss to be lined up at the Z against McCleon and on the Right against Warfield instead of Surtain. If Warfield doesn't play, expect McCleon to have a long day against Moss at the RCB.

[BigCountry]

I actually hope the Skins put alot of men in the box. That passing game cannot win by itself. If we contain their running game and Green has an above avarege day, we'll have a hell of a shot at winning the game.

[dj_stouty]

I actually hope the Skins put alot of men in the box. That passing game cannot win by itself. If we contain their running game and Green has an above avarege day, we'll have a hell of a shot at winning the game.

This was supposed to be the gameplan versus Denver...but injuries didn't allow it to happen. Assuming we are healthy, I hope you are right...and we force them to throw on us. It will only increase our chances of turning the ball over...

[Biggie]

I'm not sure if your CB can handle our WRs. Kennison can get open and runs good routes. Parker has dropped a few balls here and there but has the speed. Boerigter is big, strong and fast and can cause many mismatches. The problem I see is that your secondary is banged up. Springs is suffering from a chin injury and Rogers is suffering from a ankle injury. Will they be at 100% or close to it?

I'm sure that Surtain can handle Moss. I won't say the same thing about McCleon. If Warfield is on the other side of Surtain, then the CHIEFS secondary becomes 100X better.

This doesn't just boil down to CBs and wideouts. There are two safeties on the field who can help with coverage when needed, and a linebacker in Marcus Washington who can at least limit Gonzo. He did a pretty good job against Jason Witten in Week 2.

[akhhorus]

This was supposed to be the gameplan versus Denver...but injuries didn't allow it to happen. Assuming we are healthy, I hope you are right...and we force them to throw on us. It will only increase our chances of turning the ball over...

That was the plan, but as soon as Springs went down, Bowen/Clark/Taylor had to play back to babysit Jimoh and Rogers and that opened things up. If Springs and/or Harris are healthy, then the Skins can play 9 in the box.

[2Cooley]

I'm not sure if your CB can handle our WRs. Kennison can get open and runs good routes. Parker has dropped a few balls here and there but has the speed. Boerigter is big, strong and fast and can cause many mismatches. The problem I see is that your secondary is banged up. Springs is suffering from a chin injury and Rogers is suffering from a ankle injury. Will they be at 100% or close to it?

I'm sure that Surtain can handle Moss. I won't say the same thing about McCleon. If Warfield is on the other side of Surtain, then the CHIEFS secondary becomes 100X better.
100 X 0 = 0

[ryflan47]

That was the plan, but as soon as Springs went down, Bowen/Clark/Taylor had to play back to babysit Jimoh and Rogers and that opened things up. If Springs and/or Harris are healthy, then the Skins can play 9 in the box.
Oh and how sweet that would be against Priest!

[ChiefIronHorse]

What's up with Gonzalez? Trent Green has been less than impressive as well. IMO if they can't get the ball to Gonzalez they are not going to win.

I believe the problem with Green's confidence and Gonzalez's production is because of Willie Roaf. With Roaf playing, Green seems to play with alot more confidence. He knows that Roaf will protect his blind side. Gonzalez isn't doing to bad this year. I believe he as only 2 less catches this year from last year's record breaking season. Without Roaf these last 3 games, they've been using Gonzalez as a blocking TE. When the CHIEFS played the Eagles, Gonzalez tried and failed to block Kearse. And when they do send him out, Green's been pressured to the point where he doesn't have time to find Gonzalez. With Roaf playing this Sunday, I expect Green to have more time and to get Gonzalez the ball.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Springs has a shin injury, lol, I wish it was just his chin. He will play, the question is whether he stays in the game. Carlos will be alright, I think he just had a little swelling, he had a cast on this ankle less than 2 months ago. We also get Walt Harris back, who had been starting. Our 4th CB is our question mark, Ade Jimoh, he has a tendency to get torched every time he plays. He is great on special teams though...
We have hard hitting Safeties that will definitely make any WR brave enough to catch one over the middle pay dearly. I think Gonzo and Kennison will get a lot of bracket coverage, Parker and/or Boerigter will have to make plays in the passing game.

If Surtain goes man-up with Moss, than Moss is going to have a huge day. I would expect you all to have a Safety deep on him at all times. Don't overlook Patten, he is very fast too and him and Brunell are starting to get their timing down. Then we have Cooley, he is no Gonzo but he is pretty darn good. He will catch the underneath stuff and you all better have a LB around to tackle him.
I'm actually predicting this to be a relatively high scoring game, over 50 combined points.

Well I'm not sure what's wrong with Springs but according to the injury report, they listed him as questionable with a chin injury.

I believe that Surtain will be able to handle Moss. JMO. He won't completely shut him down but he'll contain him. We have faster LBs then we did last year. Johnson is super fast, Bell is very fast and Mitchell can get the job done.

As far as the your prediction in the scoring, I'd say that sounds about right.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Springs has a shin problem and Harris has the ankle problem. Last time I checked, Springs was expected to play. None of your wideouts are anything special, Kennison can cause some problems with his speed, but he's far from a consistant threat. Parker doesn't scare me at all. Playing Hall reduces his effectiveness as a returner. Boerigter is a 4th option, but he's nothing more than that.



As long as Moss doesn't use his speed, you're right. But deep and fast medium routes, Surtain will be at a distinct disadvantage. Surtain has cover skills, but he lacks the speed to deal with Moss and other fast wideouts.



Warfield is a solid vet, but he can't cover Moss. Since Cunningham doesn't have Cbs shadow a specific player, and just cover a certain Wideout position, expect Moss to be lined up at the Z against McCleon and on the Right against Warfield instead of Surtain. If Warfield doesn't play, expect McCleon to have a long day against Moss at the RCB.

Blitz! Blitz! And Blitz some more. I know that's going to be Gunther's game plan. I'm not going to say it's going to work. Washington does seem to have a minor problem in protecting Brunel allowing 10 sacks on him. That isn't bad but there's room for improvement. Look for D. Johnson and Sapp to rush the QB. I'm sure they'll try to make him roll out to the right instead of he's strong side, the left.

On the other side of the coin, the CHIEFS have allowed 7 sacks on Green which is ranked 28th fewest in the league. With Roaf in the lineup, those numbers should decline. But then again, theres always a coverage sacks.

I totally agree on the McCleon having a long day if he has to cover Moss.

[dj_stouty]

Washington does seem to have a minor problem in protecting Brunel allowing 10 sacks on him. That isn't bad but there's room for improvement.

Actually...The Skins' O-line has gotten progressively better at protecting Brunell. They have only allowed 2 sacks over the last two games.

[ryflan47]

I believe the problem with Green's confidence and Gonzalez's production is because of Willie Roaf. With Roaf playing, Green seems to play with alot more confidence. He knows that Roaf will protect his blind side. Gonzalez isn't doing to bad this year. I believe he as only 2 less catches this year from last year's record breaking season. Without Roaf these last 3 games, they've been using Gonzalez as a blocking TE. When the CHIEFS played the Eagles, Gonzalez tried and failed to block Kearse. And when they do send him out, Green's been pressured to the point where he doesn't have time to find Gonzalez. With Roaf playing this Sunday, I expect Green to have more time and to get Gonzalez the ball.

So I should start Green for fantasy, after this week of course? :)

[ChiefIronHorse]

I actually hope the Skins put alot of men in the box. That passing game cannot win by itself. If we contain their running game and Green has an above avarege day, we'll have a hell of a shot at winning the game.

Putting alot of men in the box won't work. The Skins "might" contain the run but they won't stop it. But by putting more men the box, that means Gonzalez is going to be one on one with a LB or SS/FS. Mismatch in the favor of the CHIEFS. One of the keys to this game for the Skins is field position. I've seen the CHIEFS march down the field from inside their own 10. But against the donkey's, penalties killed them on the KR and PR. Quiet a few of those drives ended real quick inside their own 20 which gave great field position to the donkeys.

[Biggie]

Washington does seem to have a minor problem in protecting Brunel allowing 10 sacks on him.

Five of those sacks came in Dallas, where the O-line couldn't hear themselves think and against a team that has a sick pass-rush.

It's a good thing they can't cover. :)

[ChiefIronHorse]

This was supposed to be the gameplan versus Denver...but injuries didn't allow it to happen. Assuming we are healthy, I hope you are right...and we force them to throw on us. It will only increase our chances of turning the ball over...

Good point. But keep in mind that Green has kept the interceptions down this year with only 3. Speaking of INTs, Brunel has had a good season so far with only 2.

Which gives Brunel more problems, zone or man to man coverage?

[ChiefIronHorse]

This doesn't just boil down to CBs and wideouts. There are two safeties on the field who can help with coverage when needed, and a linebacker in Marcus Washington who can at least limit Gonzo. He did a pretty good job against Jason Witten in Week 2.

No disrespect intended BigGamer, but Witten is no where near the TE that Gonzalez is. If the Skins intend to put a LB on Gonzalez, then I expect Tony to have a HUGE day. In the last 3 to 4 years, I've only seen one LB contain Tony. That was J. Petterson from the 9ers.

[ChiefIronHorse]

100 X 0 = 0

Trying to figure out where you got the 0 from? :lol1:

[ryflan47]

No disrespect intended BigGamer, but Witten is no where near the TE that Gonzalez is. If the Skins intend to put a LB on Gonzalez, then I expect Tony to have a HUGE day. In the last 3 to 4 years, I've only seen one LB contain Tony. That was J. Petterson from the 9ers.
Marcus Washington is a very good linebacker, and I think that he would be able to respectably cover Gonzalez.

[ChiefIronHorse]

So I should start Green for fantasy, after this week of course? :)

Good question and I'd be that last person asking it. LOL. Just make sure you factor in the fact that Washington has a good secondary. On the other hand, Roaf is playing which will give Green more time in the pocket. Who's your back up QB?

[ChiefIronHorse]

Five of those sacks came in Dallas, where the O-line couldn't hear themselves think and against a team that has a sick pass-rush.

It's a good thing they can't cover. :)

You do know that most NFL fans would say that Arrowhead is one of the loudest if not the loudest out doors stadiums in the NFL? Get ahead early and the Skins will take care of the problem. I know that the CHIEFS don't have the pass rush that the Cowboys do.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Marcus Washington is a very good linebacker, and I think that he would be able to respectably cover Gonzalez.

I'm sure that Washington is a very good LB. But I'm sure that the Skins will have Safety help for him.

[Biggie]

Which gives Brunel more problems, zone or man to man coverage?

Brunell* (At least you're not calling him Scott).

[ryflan47]

I'm sure that Washington is a very good LB. But I'm sure that the Skins will have Safety help for him.

I wonder if we would line ST up against him... hmmm

[ChiefIronHorse]

Brunell* (At least you're not calling him Scott).

Sorry about that. I'm doing several things at once.

[bgforever]

I believe ST is just the right guy on Gonzalez, but for short passing, Marshall and Washington, with Holdam can do just as well. I think we see Arrington back in play also, on spot duty and rushing the QB, plus PR defense.

[hockeygoalie29]

But by putting more men the box, that means Gonzalez is going to be one on one with a LB or SS/FS. Mismatch in the favor of the CHIEFS.

I would be very comfortable with Sean Taylor covering Gonzalez one on one all day long. There may not be many LB's or safteys capable of the task but Taylor is certainly one of them.


One of the keys to this game for the Skins is field position.


The field posistion battle is one we have been struggling with all season and a major reason we were down 13-0 against Dallas. Espeically with a 2nd year punter.

[hockeygoalie29]

Blitz! Blitz! And Blitz some more. I know that's going to be Gunther's game plan. I'm not going to say it's going to work. Washington does seem to have a minor problem in protecting Brunel allowing 10 sacks on him. That isn't bad but there's room for improvement.

Brunell dropped back to pass 53 times against Denver last week and wasn't sacked once...


Look for D. Johnson and Sapp to rush the QB. I'm sure they'll try to make him roll out to the right instead of he's strong side, the left.


Great plan, Brunell has looked pretty bad when rolling right since he has to twist his entire body around to pass. All of his passes have been weak to this side. His deadly rolling left though.



On the other side of the coin, the CHIEFS have allowed 7 sacks on Green which is ranked 28th fewest in the league. With Roaf in the lineup, those numbers should decline. But then again, theres always a coverage sacks.


I wouldn't worry about our front 4 getting pressure. They haven't all season. Our line has been described by some here as being 4 DT's whose main job is to stop the run. Greg Williams relies on his CB's and safteys to cover man to man and shut down the passing game with little help which is why the health of Springs and Walt Harris will play a big role in the outcome of this game.


I totally agree on the McCleon having a long day if he has to cover Moss.


Don't underestimate Patten either....

[bgforever]

Brunell dropped back to pass 53 times against Denver last week and wasn't sacked once...



Great plan, Brunell has looked pretty bad when rolling right since he has to twist his entire body around to pass. All of his passes have been weak to this side. His deadly rolling left though.




I wouldn't worry about our front 4 getting pressure. They haven't all season. Our line has been described by some here as being 4 DT's whose main job is to stop the run. Greg Williams relies on his CB's and safteys to cover man to man and shut down the passing game with little help which is why the health of Springs and Walt Harris will play a big role in the outcome of this game.



Don't underestimate Patten either....

Good point on Patten and he knows the KC defensive moves, players. I forgot to add Portis, Moss, Randy Thomas, Rabach, Priealou, and so on. We should be in great shape with player familiarization and expectations of those mentioned above!!

[ChiefIronHorse]

Brunell dropped back to pass 53 times against Denver last week and wasn't sacked once...



Great plan, Brunell has looked pretty bad when rolling right since he has to twist his entire body around to pass. All of his passes have been weak to this side. His deadly rolling left though.




I wouldn't worry about our front 4 getting pressure. They haven't all season. Our line has been described by some here as being 4 DT's whose main job is to stop the run. Greg Williams relies on his CB's and safteys to cover man to man and shut down the passing game with little help which is why the health of Springs and Walt Harris will play a big role in the outcome of this game.



Don't underestimate Patten either....

Put it this way, I'm sure McCleon will have a long day no matter who he covers. :banghead: He's not very big, fast or physical. He tends to give a cushion of about 10-15 yards. Slants kill him. I'd feel alot better when I see Warfield in there.

[ChiefIronHorse]

I believe that the CHIEFS have the same problem as the Redskins...... lack of a pass rush. At least without blitzing. Our hopes and dreams of a decent pass rush went up in smoke when R. Simms went out the Jets game with a broken foot.

[akhhorus]

Blitz! Blitz! And Blitz some more. I know that's going to be Gunther's game plan. I'm not going to say it's going to work. Washington does seem to have a minor problem in protecting Brunel allowing 10 sacks on him.

Brunell threw it 53 times last week without being sacked and rarely being pressured. I hope y'all blitz a lot. Denver did, they couldn't get to Brunell, and again, their defense is much better than the Chiefs.

[akhhorus]

No disrespect intended BigGamer, but Witten is no where near the TE that Gonzalez is. If the Skins intend to put a LB on Gonzalez, then I expect Tony to have a HUGE day. In the last 3 to 4 years, I've only seen one LB contain Tony. That was J. Petterson from the 9ers.

Gonzo aint exactly lighting things up this year. Even before Roaf went down.

[akhhorus]

I believe that Surtain will be able to handle Moss. JMO. He won't completely shut him down but he'll contain him.

You might be the only one who thinks that. Surtain has Champ Bailey-Jason Sehorn disease. He's fine with short/medium routes, but a fast wideout will destroy him. And again, since Gunther plays the LC/RC set up, expect Moss to be moved around to get a great matchup.

We have faster LBs then we did last year. Johnson is super fast, Bell is very fast and Mitchell can get the job done.

Johnson is the only one I would be worried about, but he's a rookie. Mitchell is a no name and Bell-I think-is overrated. And LBs who don't have a good Dline in front of them, tend to have to deal with Olinemen blocking them.

[candeeman]

Brunell threw it 53 times last week without being sacked and rarely being pressured. I hope y'all blitz a lot. Denver did, they couldn't get to Brunell, and again, their defense is much better than the Chiefs.
AMEN. Then do deep to Moss. THE END!

[ChiefIronHorse]

Gonzo aint exactly lighting things up this year. Even before Roaf went down.

Depends on whay your definition of "lighting things up" is? Gonzalez is only two catches behind from 4 games out as last year. If you remember correctly, Gonzalez broke the NFL record for most receptions last year. That might not happen this year but he will get his. Roaf was injured on the first half of the first game. Missing one of the teams best blockers tend to change the game plan for TEs.

Again, heres a statement from Vermeil:

Q: How important is it going to be for your offense to get Tony Gonzalez more involved?

VERMEIL: “He’s two passes less involved this year than he was last year after four ball games. So, if we did everything the same he’d have 100 receptions which I kind of doubt he will. That’s only happened one time in the history of the National Football League. But I’d like to get him more involved and he’d like to be more involved. But there’s a lot of things that control those variables.”


I wouldn't blame the problem with Gonzalez either. Here's another statement about Roaf's impact on the offense:

Roaf’s three-week absence floored the Chiefs. They’ve gone 1-2 since he’s been out of the starting lineup, and quarterback Trent Green has been harassed and hit repeatedly.

So without Roaf (3 1/2 games) Gonzalez has been ask to stay and block for his QB more. And when he does go out for a pass, Green hasn't had the time because of the pass rush from the left side.

Go ahead and sleep on Gonzalez on Sunday. I hope your coaches don't or else the Skins defense will be in for a long day. :Peace:

[ChiefIronHorse]

You might be the only one who thinks that. Surtain has Champ Bailey-Jason Sehorn disease. He's fine with short/medium routes, but a fast wideout will destroy him. And again, since Gunther plays the LC/RC set up, expect Moss to be moved around to get a great matchup.



Johnson is the only one I would be worried about, but he's a rookie. Mitchell is a no name and Bell-I think-is overrated. And LBs who don't have a good Dline in front of them, tend to have to deal with Olinemen blocking them.

I've only seen Surtain get burned one time this year. And that was against Randy Moss. Yes, receivers have had catches on him but at least he'll keep everything infront of him.

I understand if you don't know too much about the CHIEFS players. I'd be the first to admit that I don't know alot about the Skins players. I know some because I'm a huge football fan in general but not "alot." I understand your comment about Mitchell being a no-name player. But if you ask anybody that is a true CHIEF fan, you find out that Mitchell has been playing very, very well this year. Here's an article you Skins might enjoy about some key match ups this Sunday. It does mention Mitchell.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/10/14/key_matchups_chiefs_vs_redskins/

Let me know if the link doesn't work.

The Skins have the same problem on defense. No pass rush. But akhhorus, I thought you would at least admit that the CHIEFS have a good rush defense this year. Regardless of who they've played, they've shut down the rush. Stopping the run starts with the DL. I know my team and their weakness. The DL isn't as bad as you think. Yes they can improve on the pass rush. But the rushing D is up there with the best. I hope I can say this come 4 weeks from now.

P.S. The article will back up my statement on how they've been using Gonzalez for the past 3 1/2 games. More of a blocking TE then a passing TE.

[chrisbcbu]

I've only seen Surtain get burned one time this year. And that was against Randy Moss. Yes, receivers have had catches on him but at least he'll keep everything infront of him.

I understand if you don't know too much about the CHIEFS players. I'd be the first to admit that I don't know alot about the Skins players. I know some because I'm a huge football fan in general but not "alot." I understand your comment about Mitchell being a no-name player. But if you ask anybody that is a true CHIEF fan, you find out that Mitchell has been playing very, very well this year. Here's an article you Skins might enjoy about some key match ups this Sunday. It does mention Mitchell.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/10/14/key_matchups_chiefs_vs_redskins/

Let me know if the link doesn't work.

The Skins have the same problem on defense. No pass rush. But akhhorus, I thought you would at least admit that the CHIEFS have a good rush defense this year. Regardless of who they've played, they've shut down the rush. Stopping the run starts with the DL. I know my team and their weakness. The DL isn't as bad as you think. Yes they can improve on the pass rush. But the rushing D is up there with the best. I hope I can say this come 4 weeks from now.

I actually wrote a preview for this site(should be up later today) and in it i said that both DL are basically the same. Good against the run but bad against the pass.

Gregg Williams wont underestimate anyone in this league, and he will have the defense ready to play.

[chrisbcbu]

Is Roaf 100%??

[ChiefIronHorse]

I actually wrote a preview for this site(should be up later today) and in it i said that both DL are basically the same. Good against the run but bad against the pass.

Gregg Williams wont underestimate anyone in this league, and he will have the defense ready to play.

I totally agree about the play of both teams DL.

I have no doubt that Williams will have his defense ready for the CHIEFS powerful offense. I also have no doubts that Gunther Cunningham will have his defense ready to play on Sunday. It might come down to the last team to have the ball wins.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Is Roaf 100%??

I don't know. He's been practicing in pads and says he feels good. I'm sure they'll still wrap up the hammie before the game. He's had over a month to heal so I'm sure he's close to 100%. Even so, I'm sure they'll have Dunn helping out on that side. Dunn is one of the best blocking TE in the league. Here's a statement about Dunn:

Bruising ninth-year pro is simply one of the best blocking tight ends in the business … Enters his sixth campaign in the Red and Gold in 2004 … Expected to once again serve as the club’s second tight end behind six-time Pro Bowler Tony Gonzalez

http://www.kcchiefs.com/player/jason_dunn/

I wish both teams were 100% healthy. Makes for a better game.

[akhhorus]

I've only seen Surtain get burned one time this year. And that was against Randy Moss. Yes, receivers have had catches on him but at least he'll keep everything infront of him.

Moss is the only real speed wideout Surtain has faced. Owens, Coles, Rod Smith are all slower wideouts(Owens has good speed, but his strength is size). And even if Surtain is able to keep moss in front of him and allow Moss to catch the 9-15 yard routes, he'll have trouble stopping Moss. Moss has had a bunch of big plays catching a shorter route and breaking it for 20-30 yards.

I understand if you don't know too much about the CHIEFS players.

The only Chiefs game I haven't seen the majority of this year was the Philly game, but I caught the second half. I saw all of the Jets game except the fourth quarter and all the Raiders and Broncos games. Whiile the offense has been good at times, it is also inconsistant and the defense is still awful.


I'd be the first to admit that I don't know alot about the Skins players. I know some because I'm a huge football fan in general but not "alot." I understand your comment about Mitchell being a no-name player. But if you ask anybody that is a true CHIEF fan, you find out that Mitchell has been playing very, very well this year. Here's an article you Skins might enjoy about some key match ups this Sunday. It does mention Mitchell.

I have seen Mitchell this year, and I'm not impressed. He has good physical ability(as do Johnson and Bell) but they have a tendancy to be out of position a lot(as does Johnson and Bell).


But akhhorus, I thought you would at least admit that the CHIEFS have a good rush defense this year. Regardless of who they've played, they've shut down the rush.

It matters who you play. Curtis Martin is averaging 2.7 yards per carry this year, against the Chiefs he had 2.9. He looks finished. I wouldn't go bragging about stopping him since EVERYONE has stopped him this year. Lamont Jordan has been extremely inconsistant. Stopping him isn't impressive, and he had a decent game against y'all(in terms of how his season has gone). The Broncos had 200 yards rushing against you(feel free to mitigate this by whining about reverses, but they still count as rushing plays your defense has to stop) Philly doesn't rush the ball at all, they average 17 rush attempts a game(they had 17 against KC). So don't go bragging about how you stopped them, especially since McNabb had 370 yards passing.

Stopping the run starts with the DL. I know my team and their weakness. The DL isn't as bad as you think.

lol...they are awful. So they're just miserable?

Yes they can improve on the pass rush. But the rushing D is up there with the best. I hope I can say this come 4 weeks from now.

Get a grip, your defense is terrible and little different than last year(better physical ability, but still play undisciplined). Your rush defense has only faced one decent rushing attack and got torched.

]P.S. The article will back up my statement on how they've been using Gonzalez for the past 3 1/2 games. More of a blocking TE then a passing TE.

And in the first game, he only had 4 catches for 51 yards. And the Skins will blitz enough that Gonzo will have to block a lot.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Moss is the only real speed wideout Surtain has faced. Owens, Coles, Rod Smith are all slower wideouts(Owens has good speed, but his strength is size). And even if Surtain is able to keep moss in front of him and allow Moss to catch the 9-15 yard routes, he'll have trouble stopping Moss. Moss has had a bunch of big plays catching a shorter route and breaking it for 20-30 yards.



The only Chiefs game I haven't seen the majority of this year was the Philly game, but I caught the second half. I saw all of the Jets game except the fourth quarter and all the Raiders and Broncos games. Whiile the offense has been good at times, it is also inconsistant and the defense is still awful.




I have seen Mitchell this year, and I'm not impressed. He has good physical ability(as do Johnson and Bell) but they have a tendancy to be out of position a lot(as does Johnson and Bell).




It matters who you play. Curtis Martin is averaging 2.7 yards per carry this year, against the Chiefs he had 2.9. He looks finished. I wouldn't go bragging about stopping him since EVERYONE has stopped him this year. Lamont Jordan has been extremely inconsistant. Stopping him isn't impressive, and he had a decent game against y'all(in terms of how his season has gone). The Broncos had 200 yards rushing against you(feel free to mitigate this by whining about reverses, but they still count as rushing plays your defense has to stop) Philly doesn't rush the ball at all, they average 17 rush attempts a game(they had 17 against KC). So don't go bragging about how you stopped them, especially since McNabb had 370 yards passing.



lol...they are awful. So they're just miserable?



Get a grip, your defense is terrible and little different than last year(better physical ability, but still play undisciplined). Your rush defense has only faced one decent rushing attack and got torched.



And in the first game, he only had 4 catches for 51 yards. And the Skins will blitz enough that Gonzo will have to block a lot.

Say what you want about Surtain and Moss. You have your opinion and I have mine. Mine, Surtain will contain Moss. Moss with get his when he lines up against McCleon. We'll just leave it at that.

The offense has been inconsistant because of the injury to Roaf. That should change this Sunday.

Not impressed with Mitchell? Well that's your opinion. But fact is, if Mitchell was playing for the Skins, he'd be the second best tackler (24) on the team behind Washington. And Johnson has 31 tackles this year. Doesn't look to me that Johnson or Mitchell has been playing out of position with those many tackles. With a more consistant secondary (Warfield back), the LB will play better. JMO. Bell hasn't had the year that everybody has expected. At least not yet. I'll leave it at that.

What's with the "get a grip" comment? Did I ever say the CHIEFS have the best defensive line in the NFL? No. Did I ever say that they'll shut down the Skins offense? No. What I said was that they've played the rush very well this year. The a fact with them being ranked 8th this year sustains that comment. What team "torched" the CHIEFS this year in rushing? The've kept every RB they've faced to 100 yards or less. If you're refering to the donkeys, Anderson and Bell combined for a total of 145 yards of rushing. I wouldn't call that "torched." A good running game but not "torched."

Why would they leave Gonzalez to block at all? They have Roaf back. Roaf can handle you're DE. And if need be, they'll keep Richardson and Dunn into block. I don't think the Skins will be able to contain both Holmes and Gonzalez. They're going to have to pick their poison. If I were a Skins coach, I'd shut down Holmes first. JMO.

[candeeman]

What's with the "get a grip" comment? Did I ever say the CHIEFS have the best defensive line in the NFL? No. Did I ever say that they'll shut down the Skins offense? No. What I said was that they've played the rush very well this year. The a fact with them being ranked 8th this year sustains that comment. What team "torched" the CHIEFS this year in rushing? The've kept every RB they've faced to 100 yards or less. If you're refering to the donkeys, Anderson and Bell combined for a total of 145 yards of rushing. I wouldn't call that "torched." A good running game but not "torched."

IMO the reason for the good rushing D is that teams simply pass a lot and don't bother with the run.

[akhhorus]

Say what you want about Surtain and Moss. You have your opinion and I have mine. Mine, Surtain will contain Moss. Moss with get his when he lines up against McCleon. We'll just leave it at that.

Denial isnt just a river in egypt, eh? If Surtain can control Moss early, the Skins will rotate him to face McCleon in the slot or on the Right since Cunningham doesn't shadow Cbs.

The offense has been inconsistant because of the injury to Roaf. That should change this Sunday.

They weren't exactly lighting it up with Roaf in the lineup. The Raiders have a TERRIBLE defense and the Chiefs only got 23 on them. The Jets gave up the ball 3 times(and did nothing when they had the ball) and the Chiefs only got 27 points. There's a good ESPN Insider article on the Chiefs where they blame the offense-all year-as being the real problem with the Chiefs and they make a good case.

Not impressed with Mitchell? Well that's your opinion. But fact is, if Mitchell was playing for the Skins, he'd be the second best tackler (24) on the team behind Washington. And Johnson has 31 tackles this year. Doesn't look to me that Johnson or Mitchell has been playing out of position with those many tackles.

Stats don't matter. Play matters. Johnson and Mitchell clearly have physical ability, but they aren't good players in the system. Whether thats the system or the players is another issue.

With a more consistant secondary (Warfield back), the LB will play better. JMO. Bell hasn't had the year that everybody has expected. At least not yet. I'll leave it at that.

Bell hasn't had a year people expected since his rookie year. Warfield will help the coverage ability of your secondary, but he's not a very good player. He's a solid vet who can cover a 2nd tier wideout.

What's with the "get a grip" comment? Did I ever say the CHIEFS have the best defensive line in the NFL? No. Did I ever say that they'll shut down the Skins offense? No. What I said was that they've played the rush very well this year. The a fact with them being ranked 8th this year sustains that comment.

Again, with the obsession with stats. By this logic, the Seahawks should have destroyed the Redskins because they had the #3 defense(#5 rushing defense) and the #2 offense when they played us. The Seahawks fans were very vocal about these stats. But they realized, as should you, that Stats don't play games. And the fact that the Chiefs have played crappy rushing teams make this stat useless.

What team "torched" the CHIEFS this year in rushing? The've kept every RB they've faced to 100 yards or less. If you're refering to the donkeys, Anderson and Bell combined for a total of 145 yards of rushing. I wouldn't call that "torched." A good running game but not "torched."

And the Broncos had 221 rushing yards, but feel free to skew things all you want.

Why would they leave Gonzalez to block at all? They have Roaf back. Roaf can handle you're DE. And if need be, they'll keep Richardson and Dunn into block. I don't think the Skins will be able to contain both Holmes and Gonzalez. They're going to have to pick their poison. If I were a Skins coach, I'd shut down Holmes first. JMO.

We don't know how healthy Roaf is. If he's 100%, he'll destroy Philip Daniels(but everyone has), if not, they hold back TEs to help out Roaf. If the Chiefs hold back Richardson and Dunn to pass block, that means the Chiefs will be sending out 3 recievers into a very good secondary. That would be a major advantage for the Skins.

[akhhorus]

IMO the reason for the good rushing D is that teams simply pass a lot and don't bother with the run.

And the Chiefs have the 30th rated overall Pass Defense in the NFL, teams are completing 65% of their pass attempts against them.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2005/regular?sort_col_1=8

[ryflan47]

And the Chiefs have the 30th rated overall Pass Defense in the NFL, teams are completing 65% of their pass attempts against them.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2005/regular?sort_col_1=8
Thats comforting for us!

[dj_stouty]

Enters his sixth campaign in the Red and Gold in 2004 …

I think you mean Red and "Yellow", right? ;)

I kid...because the Skins used to have "yellow" in their jerseys, yet they were still called "Burgundy & Gold". The past few years...the burgundy has become darker...and the gold is really gold now.

I'm still interested to see what the field looks like with all those varying shades of red and yellow.

BTW - Does the Chiefs wear their white jerseys at home?

[candeeman]

And the Chiefs have the 30th rated overall Pass Defense in the NFL, teams are completing 65% of their pass attempts against them.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2005/regular?sort_col_1=8
Akhhorus always has a way of backing up everything that said with numbers or details. Thanks for finishing my thought!

[akhhorus]

Akhhorus always has a way of backing up everything that said with numbers or details. Thanks for finishing my thought!

And those stats show the Skins have the 6th rated pass defense. Only letting up 56% completion of pass attempts.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Denial isnt just a river in egypt, eh? If Surtain can control Moss early, the Skins will rotate him to face McCleon in the slot or on the Right since Cunningham doesn't shadow Cbs.



They weren't exactly lighting it up with Roaf in the lineup. The Raiders have a TERRIBLE defense and the Chiefs only got 23 on them. The Jets gave up the ball 3 times(and did nothing when they had the ball) and the Chiefs only got 27 points. There's a good ESPN Insider article on the Chiefs where they blame the offense-all year-as being the real problem with the Chiefs and they make a good case.



Stats don't matter. Play matters. Johnson and Mitchell clearly have physical ability, but they aren't good players in the system. Whether thats the system or the players is another issue.



Bell hasn't had a year people expected since his rookie year. Warfield will help the coverage ability of your secondary, but he's not a very good player. He's a solid vet who can cover a 2nd tier wideout.



Again, with the obsession with stats. By this logic, the Seahawks should have destroyed the Redskins because they had the #3 defense(#5 rushing defense) and the #2 offense when they played us. The Seahawks fans were very vocal about these stats. But they realized, as should you, that Stats don't play games. And the fact that the Chiefs have played crappy rushing teams make this stat useless.



And the Broncos had 221 rushing yards, but feel free to skew things all you want.



We don't know how healthy Roaf is. If he's 100%, he'll destroy Philip Daniels(but everyone has), if not, they hold back TEs to help out Roaf. If the Chiefs hold back Richardson and Dunn to pass block, that means the Chiefs will be sending out 3 recievers into a very good secondary. That would be a major advantage for the Skins.

Why is it that when you give your opinion, that's what it is... an opinion. But when I give an opinion, it's denial? You just stated the same thing I've said for the past few days.... Moss will line up against McCleon = Moss catching the ball.

It's pretty evident that you really haven't paid too much attention to the CHIEFS games this year. Because if you did, then you'd know that W. Roaf only played a few series in the first game. He didn't not play... repeat... did not play at all against the rAIDerS, the donkeys or the Eagles. I believe they were up 17-0 before he went out. If you don't call lighting up the score board with 14 points in the first quarter.... then maybe they'll score 15 points in the first quarter this Sunday instead. :rolleyes:

Only got 23 points against the rAIDerS??? Please.... The CHIEFS went into a hostile environment and came out with a win. Without one of their best Offensive linemen protecting Green. Please don't down play the games of the CHIEFS or their players. I haven't said (typed) anything negative about your team or it's players. Both teams have strengths and weaknesses.


"Stats don't matter. Play matters." Doesn't stats "usually" reflect the play of the players? Most people say it would. If that's the case, Johnson and Mitchell has had a good year up to this point regardless of your opinion.

Gezzz.. Somebody refers to a couple of stats and they're obsessed. Give me a break. Fans do it all the time. Doesn't mean that they're "obsessed." Why would I "skew" anything? You're doing fine for both of us. :lol1:

As far as Roaf's heath, here's a few comments I found:

"(Roaf) feels very good right now," Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said. "He feels very confident he can play these 12 games stronger than he played them last year because of the rest and how good he feels right now."

Sounds to me that he's 100% healthy or close to it.

If you intend this dicussion to be turned into a pissing contest between you and I, don't! I've enjoyed coming on here and discussing the upcoming game with Skins fans. I respect the organization and their fans. I hope that your team goes 14-2 (losing this Sunday) and makes it to the Super Bowl against the CHIEFS. This is a respectable forum with great members. Please don't turn my statements around to your advantage. My opinions are what they are.... just opinions.... nothing more.

[ChiefIronHorse]

And the Chiefs have the 30th rated overall Pass Defense in the NFL, teams are completing 65% of their pass attempts against them.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2005/regular?sort_col_1=8

Funny how when akhhorus refers to stats, he's a hero. When I do it, I'm obsessed. :lol1:

Just Kidding Skin fans.

[ChiefIronHorse]

I think you mean Red and "Yellow", right? ;)

I kid...because the Skins used to have "yellow" in their jerseys, yet they were still called "Burgundy & Gold". The past few years...the burgundy has become darker...and the gold is really gold now.

I'm still interested to see what the field looks like with all those varying shades of red and yellow.

BTW - Does the Chiefs wear their white jerseys at home?

No, they'll be in their traditional red home jerseys. It's pretty cool when the camera gets the over all view of the stadium. A sea of red can be seen.

[ryflan47]

No, they'll be in their traditional red home jerseys. It's pretty cool when the camera gets the over all view of the stadium. A sea of red can be seen.
And it's not like if they're playing the Giants, there will be blue spots. The Redskins fans will be wearing burgundy which will be adding to the sea of red.

[ChiefIronHorse]

And it's not like if they're playing the Giants, there will be blue spots. The Redskins fans will be wearing burgundy which will be adding to the sea of red.

Just curious, traditionally the home uniform are the darker color jerseys. Do you know of any team that uses the lighter jerseys as their home uniforms? Just curious.

[dj_stouty]

Just curious, traditionally the home uniform are the darker color jerseys. Do you know of any team that uses the lighter jerseys as their home uniforms? Just curious.

YES! The Redskins. Gibbs insists on the Skins using white home jerseys. In fact, they only wore their burgundy jerseys once all last season. (which is too bad, since they are VERY sharp)

[akhhorus]

Why is it that when you give your opinion, that's what it is... an opinion. But when I give an opinion, it's denial? You just stated the same thing I've said for the past few days.... Moss will line up against McCleon = Moss catching the ball.

There's being a homer, and then they're saying things like a second tier Cb with questionable speed can handle one of the best wideouts in the NFL. It would be like me claiming that Philip Daniels will torch a healthy Willie Roaf on the Dline. What would you say to that? Surtain has been overrated his whole career, and he's not a star by any stretch of the imagination. He doesn't have the speed to cover Moss(nor does any KC Cb) and thinking he'll shut Moss down when no one has this year(ask Marcus Trufant, one of the best CBs in the league) is beyond the pale of homerism.

It's pretty evident that you really haven't paid too much attention to the CHIEFS games this year. Because if you did, then you'd know that W. Roaf only played a few series in the first game. He didn't not play... repeat... did not play at all against the rAIDerS, the donkeys or the Eagles. I believe they were up 17-0 before he went out. If you don't call lighting up the score board with 14 points in the first quarter.... then maybe they'll score 15 points in the first quarter this Sunday instead.

I wouldn't count on it. If Roaf isn't healthy, the Skins might be the ones running to a 14-0 lead in the 1st quarter.

Only got 23 points against the rAIDerS??? Please.... The CHIEFS went into a hostile environment and came out with a win. Without one of their best Offensive linemen protecting Green. Please don't down play the games of the CHIEFS or their players. I haven't said (typed) anything negative about your team or it's players. Both teams have strengths and weaknesses.

Keep believing that the Raiders are remotely a threat this year. They have terrible coaching and bad players. Yes, the Chiefs went into a "hostile" enviroment, but even against Bad teams, you should win those games.

"Stats don't matter. Play matters." Doesn't stats "usually" reflect the play of the players? Most people say it would. If that's the case, Johnson and Mitchell has had a good year up to this point regardless of your opinion.

Not from what I've seen, nor have I seen anyone pointing them out for good play except chiefs fans.

Gezzz.. Somebody refers to a couple of stats and they're obsessed. Give me a break. Fans do it all the time. Doesn't mean that they're "obsessed." Why would I "skew" anything? You're doing fine for both of us. :lol1:

:sleeping: blah blah blah

As far as Roaf's heath, here's a few comments I found:

"(Roaf) feels very good right now," Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said. "He feels very confident he can play these 12 games stronger than he played them last year because of the rest and how good he feels right now."

Sounds to me that he's 100% healthy or close to it.

I guess we'll see, won't we. You'd better hope he is healthy.

If you intend this dicussion to be turned into a pissing contest between you and I, don't!

This isn't a pissing match. This is a debate.

I've enjoyed coming on here and discussing the upcoming game with Skins fans. I respect the organization and their fans. I hope that your team goes 14-2 (losing this Sunday) and makes it to the Super Bowl against the CHIEFS. This is a respectable forum with great members. Please don't turn my statements around to your advantage. My opinions are what they are.... just opinions.... nothing more.

Fine, feel free to stay and discuss. But you have to realize this is a redskins site.

[akhhorus]

According to a Chiefs fan friend of mine in KC, Warfield will be inactive for Sunday's game.

And he adds, this is from Sports radio in KC.

[ChiefIronHorse]

YES! The Redskins. Gibbs insists on the Skins using white home jerseys. In fact, they only wore their burgundy jerseys once all last season. (which is too bad, since they are VERY sharp)

Maybe it's to keep them cooler while in their home field advantage. Good idea.

[dj_stouty]

Maybe it's to keep them cooler while in their home field advantage. Good idea.

Most likely. However I would LOVE to see some burgundy jerseys at home every so often.

A few years ago, the Skins wore their retro burgundy jerseys when Spurrier was coach. Many a Skins fan (where are you, Spence?) think they should revert back to that jersey scheme.

[ChiefIronHorse]

There's being a homer, and then they're saying things like a second tier Cb with questionable speed can handle one of the best wideouts in the NFL. It would be like me claiming that Philip Daniels will torch a healthy Willie Roaf on the Dline. What would you say to that? Surtain has been overrated his whole career, and he's not a star by any stretch of the imagination. He doesn't have the speed to cover Moss(nor does any KC Cb) and thinking he'll shut Moss down when no one has this year(ask Marcus Trufant, one of the best CBs in the league) is beyond the pale of homerism.



I wouldn't count on it. If Roaf isn't healthy, the Skins might be the ones running to a 14-0 lead in the 1st quarter.



Keep believing that the Raiders are remotely a threat this year. They have terrible coaching and bad players. Yes, the Chiefs went into a "hostile" enviroment, but even against Bad teams, you should win those games.



Not from what I've seen, nor have I seen anyone pointing them out for good play except chiefs fans.



:sleeping: blah blah blah



I guess we'll see, won't we. You'd better hope he is healthy.



This isn't a pissing match. This is a debate.



Fine, feel free to stay and discuss. But you have to realize this is a redskins site.

Look at this thread. I never stated once that McCLeon or Warfield handle one of the best WR, now did I? Again, say what you want about Surtain. I'm sure your opinion will be in the minority. Ask any of the Dolphins fans about Surtain. Fact is, Surtain is a Pro Bowl player 2 times over. Trufant is a good CB. I wouldn't call a CB that hasn't made the Pro Bowl one of the best CB in the league. I'm sure that he'll get to that level in time.

I'm counting on it. If Springs isn't healthy, the CHIEFS might be the ones running to a 14-0 lead in the 1st quarter.

In reference to the stats regarding Johnson and Mitchell, then it's safe to say that the Skins defense hasn't tackled as good with all due respect. Again, you seem to be using the stats when it's to your advantage. By the way, who said the rAIDerS were good this year? Be that it may, they're still an NFL team with professional football players. Ever heard the expression, any given Sunday?

You better hope Roaf isn't heathly. Cuz if he is, the Skins defense is in for a long day. JMO.

I do understand that this is a Redskins forum. I've come in :Peace: . If you want me to leave, all you have to do is ask. I'm not here to make trouble.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Most likely. However I would LOVE to see some burgundy jerseys at home every so often.

A few years ago, the Skins wore their retro burgundy jerseys when Spurrier was coach. Many a Skins fan (where are you, Spence?) think they should revert back to that jersey scheme.

I think they should too. I've always like the dark colored jerseys better. I believe it was last year or the year before but the donkeys claimed to have brought the wrong jersey to SD, forcing the Chargers to wear the other jerseys. That organization is known for cheating. Salary cap violation, vasoline on the jerseys, bring the wrong jerseys to away games and chop blocks are only a few cheating habbits they have.

[dj_stouty]

If you want me to leave, all you have to do is ask. I'm not here to make trouble.

You aren't causing trouble...and no one is asking you to leave.

Akh is simply debating you.

Please keep supporting the Chiefs. A lot of us are learning more about your team by your presence.

[dj_stouty]

That organization is known for cheating. Salary cap violation, vasoline on the jerseys, bring the wrong jerseys to away games and chop blocks are only a few cheating habbits they have.

See my signature. I'm sure you agree....

BTW - If you can't figure it out...I DESPISE the Broncos.

[whitskins]

Ok I'm being a loser and jumping into this thread late but what is Roaf's status? I thought I read somewhere yesterday that he is still questionable but is practicing...

[ChiefIronHorse]

You aren't causing trouble...and no one is asking you to leave.

Akh is simply debating you.

Please keep supporting the Chiefs. A lot of us are learning more about your team by your presence.

Thanks for the positive comments. That's why I'm here as well. To learn about your team. The more I learn the better the game is. I tend to watch the match ups discussed here. Makes for a more interesting game.

[akhhorus]

Look at this thread. I never stated once that McCLeon or Warfield handle one of the best WR, now did I? Again, say what you want about Surtain. I'm sure your opinion will be in the minority. Ask any of the Dolphins fans about Surtain. Fact is, Surtain is a Pro Bowl player 2 times over. Trufant is a good CB. I wouldn't call a CB that hasn't made the Pro Bowl one of the best CB in the league. I'm sure that he'll get to that level in time.

Patrick Surtain played with 4 Hall of Famers(Zach Thomas, Taylor, Seau, Madison) around him. And went he was available in a trade, only one team bothered to make an offer for him. That is telling. Houston chose to go after Philip Buchanon and gave up more for him I believe.

I'm counting on it. If Springs isn't healthy, the CHIEFS might be the ones running to a 14-0 lead in the 1st quarter.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Harris, the other starter is healthy and Springs has been upgraded.

In reference to the stats regarding Johnson and Mitchell, then it's safe to say that the Skins defense hasn't tackled as good with all due respect.

With all due respect, two plays don't indicate a whole season.

Again, you seem to be using the stats when it's to your advantage.

No, I use match ups.

By the way, who said the rAIDerS were good this year? Be that it may, they're still an NFL team with professional football players. Ever heard the expression, any given Sunday?

Yes, but a team with poor coaching and is clearly outmatched by the Chiefs should have been put away by a better margin.

You better hope Roaf isn't heathly. Cuz if he is, the Skins defense is in for a long day. JMO.

Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But Roaf doesn't play DT for y'all(Not a bad idea actually).

I do understand that this is a Redskins forum. I've come in :Peace: . If you want me to leave, all you have to do is ask. I'm not here to make trouble.

Don't play the martyr card. It's unbecoming.

[akhhorus]

Ok I'm being a loser and jumping into this thread late but what is Roaf's status? I thought I read somewhere yesterday that he is still questionable but is practicing...

Mortensen on the radio today said he was 50-50, but he definetly wasn't 100%.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Ok I'm being a loser and jumping into this thread late but what is Roaf's status? I thought I read somewhere yesterday that he is still questionable but is practicing...

I was confused as well. On the injury report, the have him listed as questionable. But he's been practicing and Vermeil has stated that he's going to play. I hope he does. If he does them I'm expecting a better :sfight:

[akhhorus]

I was confused as well. On the injury report, the have him listed as questionable. But he's been practicing and Vermeil has stated that he's going to play. I hope he does. If he does them I'm expecting a better :sfight:

I suspect that Roaf will play, but the coaches will watch him closely and pull him if he looks hurt or looks ineffective.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Mortensen on the radio today said he was 50-50, but he definetly wasn't 100%.

Even an 80% healthy Roaf is better then what we had. Just his presents will give Green more confindence. According to Vermeil, Roaf is playing and feels better then last year because of the rest.

Q: Is it automatic that Willie will play on Sunday?

VERMEIL: “Yeah, Willie Roaf will play on Sunday.”

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/10/10/qa_with_coach_vermeil3/

[ChiefIronHorse]

I suspect that Roaf will play, but the coaches will watch him closely and pull him if he looks hurt or looks ineffective.

I agree. On a positive note, we have Welbourn back. He's played all over that line with the exception of center.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Quick question for the Skins fans. Does anybody feel that if Springs doesn't play that the chances of them winning will decrease?

I feel like that about Roaf. Even though the CHIEFS did move the ball on a good defense in the Eagles (with Trotter playing), I believe that the Skins have a better over all team. Without Roaf, the chances of the CHIEFS winning decreases. I could be wrong.

[akhhorus]

Quick question for the Skins fans. Does anybody feel that if Springs doesn't play that the chances of them winning will decrease?

I feel like that about Roaf. Even though the CHIEFS did move the ball on a good defense in the Eagles (with Trotter playing), I believe that the Skins have a better over all team. Without Roaf, the chances of the CHIEFS winning decreases. I could be wrong.

If Springs and Walt Harris were out, then i would say that the Chiefs would beat the Skins for sure, but Harris is healthy and Springs-while questionable-has been playing hurt since he came here. I suspect he'll be the nickel back. If Harris and/or Springs are effective and playing, then the Skins can play their 46 defense and bring the safeties up to watch the run.

And re: the Eagles, the cowmanatees shredded their defense, but the Cowmanatees struggled against the Skins' defense.

[akhhorus]

Even an 80% healthy Roaf is better then what we had. Just his presents will give Green more confindence. According to Vermeil, Roaf is playing and feels better then last year because of the rest.

Q: Is it automatic that Willie will play on Sunday?

VERMEIL: “Yeah, Willie Roaf will play on Sunday.”

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2005/10/10/qa_with_coach_vermeil3/

80% of Roaf is better than most tackles in the league, but a hamstring injury-if iit still is affecting him-will hamper him. And expect the Skins to test his quickness by blitzing a Safety or CB at his side.

[ChiefIronHorse]

If Springs and Walt Harris were out, then i would say that the Chiefs would beat the Skins for sure, but Harris is healthy and Springs-while questionable-has been playing hurt since he came here. I suspect he'll be the nickel back. If Harris and/or Springs are effective and playing, then the Skins can play their 46 defense and bring the safeties up to watch the run.

And re: the Eagles, the cowmanatees shredded their defense, but the Cowmanatees struggled against the Skins' defense.

I know that may have sounded like a stupid question. Any team without their top tier players decreases their chances of winning. But on the other hand theirs the Patriots who have won despite of the injuries.

I'm figuring that they're going to keep a close eye on Springs as well. Maybe Green will test him early.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Patrick Surtain played with 4 Hall of Famers(Zach Thomas, Taylor, Seau, Madison) around him. And went he was available in a trade, only one team bothered to make an offer for him. That is telling. Houston chose to go after Philip Buchanon and gave up more for him I believe.



Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Harris, the other starter is healthy and Springs has been upgraded.



With all due respect, two plays don't indicate a whole season.




No, I use match ups.



Yes, but a team with poor coaching and is clearly outmatched by the Chiefs should have been put away by a better margin.



Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But Roaf doesn't play DT for y'all(Not a bad idea actually).



Don't play the martyr card. It's unbecoming.

Sorry, missed this post:

I agree that Surtain had better players around him in Miami. Doesn't mean that his level of play was in question because of the players around him. For example, L. Tomlinson has being running over defenses for year despite his horrible offensive line. My suggestion, wait till the end of the year before making a judgement on Surtain. It's only the 6th week. Just like you stated, "With all due respect, two plays don't indicate a whole season."
With all due respect, 4 games don't indicate a whole season. (This is in reference to Surtain).


Glad to hear Harris and Springs are better. Makes for a better game. Top tier offense against a top tier defense. Gotta love it.

If you use the match up scenario, then you'll agree with me that the advantage goes to the CHIEFS in reference to the CHIEFS offense vs. Skins defense. With all due respect, the CHIEFS have a Pro Bowl QB, FB, TE, RB, LT, RG and LG. Does this mean that the CHIEFS will win? By all mean, no. But the advantage does go to the CHIEFS. I'd agree that the Skins offense will be at an advantage over the CHIEFS defense. Of course who can dispute that the Special teams will go to the CHIEFS. :flower1:

"Yes, but a team with poor coaching and is clearly outmatched by the Chiefs should have been put away by a better margin." This would mean that the Skins should have beaten the Bears, Seahawks and Cowboys by a bigger margin.

Wasn't trying to use the "martyr card." Just being up front.

Gotta go to work. I'll be in and out to continue this fantastic discussion.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Here's an article I found on nfl.com:

After a bye to rest and heal, are the Kansas City Chiefs ready to get back to the form they showed in the first two weeks of the season?

Yes.

The greatest benefit of their bye was the extra time it allowed their offensive line, especially veteran tackle Willie Roaf, to get healthy. With Roaf, who had been sidelined with an injured hamstring, back in the lineup, the Chiefs should be able to get some big plays out of their running game against the overly aggressive Washington Redskins defense.


The speed of the Chiefs defense should be able to force Clinton Portis outside all game.
The Redskins' tendency to bunch defenders close to the line -- with little or no regard to the down and distance -- and shoot gaps is sound against teams with ordinary talent at running back. But it is dangerous against Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, because both are capable of consistently breaking long gains once they get past the first level of defenders. The Chiefs also will likely try and use the Redskins' defensive tactics against them by pulling Roaf around the corner on outside runs and take full advantage of the size and range that make him an outstanding lead blocker.

On the other hand, the Chiefs should benefit by being a little more aggressive in their run-stopping efforts against Clinton Portis. Look for strong safety Sammy Knight to be heavily involved with interior run support, and consistently force Portis to move laterally rather than vertically. That should allow Kansas City's talented outside linebackers, Kendrell Bell and Derrick Johnson, to utilize their superb sideline-to-sideline playmaking skills to keep Portis from doing much damage.

Though I agree with most of Vic's statement, I totally disagree with the last paragraph. If they use Knight for mostly run support, then Brunell is going to have a big game. Point blank. That's going to leave the secondary playing a cover 1 and leaving both CBs on an island. I'm hoping that the CHIEFS rely more on the DL and LB to stop the run.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8964571

[BurgundyNGold]

Here's an article I found on nfl.com:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/8964571
He seems pretty sure about all of this, considering the Chiefs defense he is touting can't seem to make anybody go laterally, let alone Clinton Portis.

I'm going to have to see what he says to believe it.

[ChiefIronHorse]

He seems pretty sure about all of this, considering the Chiefs defense he is touting can't seem to make anybody go laterally, let alone Clinton Portis.

I'm going to have to see what he says to believe it.

The CHIEF games that I've seen, they've done a good/decent job containing the outside run. Mitchell has played 100% better then he did last year. So he's been holding up the middle pretty good. If the Skins are to go vertically, it should be in the air. That's the CHIEFS biggest weakness up to this point.

[BurgundyNGold]

The CHIEF games that I've seen, they've done a good/decent job containing the outside run. Mitchell has played 100% better then he did last year. So he's been holding up the middle pretty good. If the Skins are to go vertically, it should be in the air. That's the CHIEFS biggest weakness up to this point.
You think that a big OL like the Redskins have wouldn't have the advantage against the Chiefs DL -- especially missing Ryan Sims? Your DTs don't seem to get many tackles (4 and 2 in 4 games).

[ChiefIronHorse]

You think that a big OL like the Redskins have wouldn't have the advantage against the Chiefs DL -- especially missing Ryan Sims? Your DTs don't seem to get many tackles (4 and 2 in 4 games).

Let's see here.... Skins OL vs CHIEFS DL = Advantage Skins. The DT don't get many tackles but the do allow the LBs to shoot the gaps. Gunther knows he has fast LB and knows how to use them. Look at the tackles LB Johnson and Mitchell have made in 4 games.

[Edskins_RVA]

Let's see here.... Skins OL vs CHIEFS DL = Advantage Skins. The DT don't get many tackles but the do allow the LBs to shoot the gaps. Gunther knows he has fast LB and knows how to use them. Look at the tackles LB Johnson and Mitchell have made in 4 games.
Much the same as the skins.. The major exception being Corny Griffin..

[akhhorus]

Sorry, missed this post:

I agree that Surtain had better players around him in Miami. Doesn't mean that his level of play was in question because of the players around him. For example, L. Tomlinson has being running over defenses for year despite his horrible offensive line. My suggestion, wait till the end of the year before making a judgement on Surtain. It's only the 6th week. Just like you stated, "With all due respect, two plays don't indicate a whole season."
With all due respect, 4 games don't indicate a whole season. (This is in reference to Surtain).

Tomlinson is a legend, he'd gain 1000 yards with 5 randomly chosen HR members as his Oline. I've watched Surtain a lot(Dated a dolphins fan) and he's a system player. He did very well against The Toe in week 1. I'll wait until the end of the season, but Surtain is a known quantity. In many ways, he's a poor man's Champ Bailey. Good against Technical Wideouts and guys who try to run perfect routes, but against Size or Speed wideouts, he'll get burned.

Glad to hear Harris and Springs are better. Makes for a better game. Top tier offense against a top tier defense. Gotta love it.

If you use the match up scenario, then you'll agree with me that the advantage goes to the CHIEFS in reference to the CHIEFS offense vs. Skins defense. With all due respect, the CHIEFS have a Pro Bowl QB, FB, TE, RB, LT, RG and LG. Does this mean that the CHIEFS will win? By all mean, no. But the advantage does go to the CHIEFS. I'd agree that the Skins offense will be at an advantage over the CHIEFS defense. Of course who can dispute that the Special teams will go to the CHIEFS.

I believe one of my first posts about this game was:
"The main question of this game comes down to is the advantage the skins have between the Skins offense and the Chiefs defense greater than the Chiefs advantage between their offense and the Skins defense". The Special teams could tip this game, but Ill take the Skins' coaching staff and gameplanning.

"Yes, but a team with poor coaching and is clearly outmatched by the Chiefs should have been put away by a better margin." This would mean that the Skins should have beaten the Bears, Seahawks and Cowboys by a bigger margin.

The Seahawks and Cowshemales-on talent-are better than the Skins. The Skins outcoached the Seahawks and exploited an advantage twice against the CowShemales. The Bears are pathetic, but the Skins' had terrible Quarterbacking to start the game, which made it a close game.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Tomlinson is a legend, he'd gain 1000 yards with 5 randomly chosen HR members as his Oline. I've watched Surtain a lot(Dated a dolphins fan) and he's a system player. He did very well against The Toe in week 1. I'll wait until the end of the season, but Surtain is a known quantity. In many ways, he's a poor man's Champ Bailey. Good against Technical Wideouts and guys who try to run perfect routes, but against Size or Speed wideouts, he'll get burned.



I believe one of my first posts about this game was:
"The main question of this game comes down to is the advantage the skins have between the Skins offense and the Chiefs defense greater than the Chiefs advantage between their offense and the Skins defense". The Special teams could tip this game, but Ill take the Skins' coaching staff and gameplanning.



The Seahawks and Cowshemales-on talent-are better than the Skins. The Skins outcoached the Seahawks and exploited an advantage twice against the CowShemales. The Bears are pathetic, but the Skins' had terrible Quarterbacking to start the game, which made it a close game.

I'll take D. Hall against the Skins special teams, coaching staff and gameplanning.

As far as the Seahawk and Cowboys having better talent then the Skins, well that debatable. I'd take the Skins over the Seahawks or Cowboys with healthy players.

[Redskin Scott]

Didn't the Chiefs run all over the Broncos when they had their first meeting this season? IIRC that was the case, and I'm hoping Portis has a big day this Sunday...

...and that our D plays really well.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Didn't the Chiefs run all over the Broncos when they had their first meeting this season? IIRC that was the case, and I'm hoping Portis has a big day this Sunday...

...and that our D plays really well.

The donkeys pretty much held the CHIEFS rushing attack in check. A big reason for that was the turnovers, penalties and getting behind early. By the half, the CHIEFS had to abandon the run because they got behind. I was at the game that night. It wasn't pretty.

[redwolf1218]

Let's see here.... Skins OL vs CHIEFS DL = Advantage Skins. The DT don't get many tackles but the do allow the LBs to shoot the gaps. Gunther knows he has fast LB and knows how to use them. Look at the tackles LB Johnson and Mitchell have made in 4 games.
KC Weak Backer HGT WGT Speed
53 GRIFFIN Kris 6- 3.6 232 4.73
97 BELL Kendrell 6- 1.0 232 4.55
__________________________________________________ ____________

KC Strong Backer HGT WGT Speed
56 JOHNSON Derrick 6- 3.2 243 4.62
55 STILLS Gary 6- 1.0 237 4.56
97 FOX Keyaron 6- 2.3 235 4.67
__________________________________________________ ____________

KC Middle Backer HGT WGT Speed
50 MITCHELL Kawika 6- 1.0 251 4.61
91 SCANLON Rich 6- 1.0 228 4.58
51 GRIGSBY Boomer 5-11.7 247 4.63

hmmm i'm not sure about your speed at linebacker, w/ the exception of Kendrell Bell. Lemar Marshall and Arrington are faster. our safeties have more speed across the board too.

however at receiver you have blazing speed that scares me with our depleted cornerback crew:

KC Wide Reciever HGT WGT Speed
87 KENNISON Eddie 5-11.0 195 4.35
18 PARKER Sammie 5-10.3 179 4.35
82 HALL Dante 5- 7.0 191 4.31

i dont want to see our 3rd corner (Ade Jimoh) on your 3rd receiver (Dante Hall).

[akhhorus]

I'll take D. Hall against the Skins special teams, coaching staff and gameplanning.

:lol1:

[The Skinsinator]

I'll take D. Hall against the Skins special teams, coaching staff and gameplanning.
One return man against a 3 time super bowl champion coach and some of the best assistants in the business. Try again.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Heres a few articles discussing the chiefs Offense and their injuries, read 'em here:

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/12896859.htm?source=yahoodist&content=ksc_sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=knight-_WWW_SPRT_12907609&prov=knight&type=lgns

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sports/football/nfl/kansas_city_chiefs/12896851.htm?source=yahoodist&content=ksc_sports

[chrisbcbu]

LOL i just went to a Chiefs website and they are talking about Warfield being inactive for the game. And look what one of them had to say.

Fire Dick Vermil NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! OLD WINKLE FACE IDIOT <"> U VERMIL LETS CALL IT A SEASON CUZ This is Crazy does Vermil Have All-Timers now cuz if so put him ih a nursing home i am tired of vermil screwing us we should just fold the franchise i am out thanks

[GWBlitzST]

Man that's funny. We're gonna smoke the Chiefs' secondary. Dick Vermeil isn't suffering from "All-Timers" just for not activating a jailbird in his first game back. It's called class.

[ChiefIronHorse]

KC Weak Backer HGT WGT Speed
53 GRIFFIN Kris 6- 3.6 232 4.73
97 BELL Kendrell 6- 1.0 232 4.55
__________________________________________________ ____________

KC Strong Backer HGT WGT Speed
56 JOHNSON Derrick 6- 3.2 243 4.62
55 STILLS Gary 6- 1.0 237 4.56
97 FOX Keyaron 6- 2.3 235 4.67
__________________________________________________ ____________

KC Middle Backer HGT WGT Speed
50 MITCHELL Kawika 6- 1.0 251 4.61
91 SCANLON Rich 6- 1.0 228 4.58
51 GRIGSBY Boomer 5-11.7 247 4.63

hmmm i'm not sure about your speed at linebacker, w/ the exception of Kendrell Bell. Lemar Marshall and Arrington are faster. our safeties have more speed across the board too.

however at receiver you have blazing speed that scares me with our depleted cornerback crew:

KC Wide Reciever HGT WGT Speed
87 KENNISON Eddie 5-11.0 195 4.35
18 PARKER Sammie 5-10.3 179 4.35
82 HALL Dante 5- 7.0 191 4.31

i dont want to see our 3rd corner (Ade Jimoh) on your 3rd receiver (Dante Hall).

Theres a difference between field speed and the 40 yard dash speed. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I'd still take the CHIEFS LB over the Skins LB. Maybe it's because I've seen them in every game this season. I've seen the Skins game between the Cowboys and the donkeys and have looked impressive. Both sets of LB seem to be making tackles this year with KC's LBs top 3 only having 3 more tackles then the Skins top 3 LBs. D. Johnson is ranked 7th over all in Solo Tackles among all LB in the NFL. Not bad for a rookie that experts were saying couldn't shed tackles to get to the ball.

As far as safeties are concern, the CHIEFS are hard hitting with decent speed. Well at least in the FS position. Knight is slow but can't dispute the fact that he's been the leading take away defender in the NFL in the last 4 years.

I do like the Skins backfield with Springs, Harris, Rogers and Taylor.

I wouldn't worry too much about Hall in the passing game. The ST is where he's a threat.

[ChiefIronHorse]

One return man against a 3 time super bowl champion coach and some of the best assistants in the business. Try again.

So you're telling me that your coaches are going to be on the field tackling D. Hall?

Let see, one return man that is about to break an NFL record in returns and who has more TD in the past 4 years then any other PR/KR in the league......... hmmmm naw...... I don't think I'll try again. I'll stick with HALL.

P.S. Notice that theres only been 3 kick off returns for a TD this year? I'll give you 3 guesses who ran one back for a 96 yard TD. :)

[ChiefIronHorse]

LOL i just went to a Chiefs website and they are talking about Warfield being inactive for the game. And look what one of them had to say.

I figured that we have a few fans calling for Vermeil's head. Me, well he's a coach for a reason and has seen the progress of Warfield. If he says he isn't ready, then I guess he isn't ready.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Man that's funny. We're gonna smoke the Chiefs' secondary. Dick Vermeil isn't suffering from "All-Timers" just for not activating a jailbird in his first game back. It's called class.

That's if the Skins can establish the run. Big question there.

[akhhorus]

Theres a difference between field speed and the 40 yard dash speed. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I'd still take the CHIEFS LB over the Skins LB. Maybe it's because I've seen them in every game this season. I've seen the Skins game between the Cowboys and the donkeys and have looked impressive. Both sets of LB seem to be making tackles this year with KC's LBs top 3 only having 3 more tackles then the Skins top 3 LBs. D. Johnson is ranked 7th over all in Solo Tackles among all LB in the NFL. Not bad for a rookie that experts were saying couldn't shed tackles to get to the ball.

LMAO. You are the ultimate homer. The Chiefs LBs have 1 overrated and unhealthy LB playing out of position, one no name and one rookie(who has shown potential). The Skins have one pro bowler, one good starter who has made people forget about another pro bowler(Pierce should have made the pro bowl last year, no doubt about that) and a solid vet. With a talented, physical star on the bench. Try again genius.

As far as safeties are concern, the CHIEFS are hard hitting with decent speed. Well at least in the FS position. Knight is slow but can't dispute the fact that he's been the leading take away defender in the NFL in the last 4 years.

Knight is a playmaker, but he's a liabity in coverage. You can't dispute that. Woods is a hitter, but isn't a particularly good safety.

I do like the Skins backfield with Springs, Harris, Rogers and Taylor.

I wouldn't worry too much about Hall in the passing game. The ST is where he's a threat.

Fine by me, you can kick it away from Hall(especially on punts) and him not playing WR is a bonus for the Skins.

[akhhorus]

That's if the Skins can establish the run. Big question there.

Let me see, Portis has torched the Chiefs whenever he's played them, the Skins Oline+TEs is substantial bigger and more talented that the Chiefs front 7(and Portis just got 100 yards on a much better run defense) and the Chiefs have to worry about two speed wideouts and a TE/HB with speed. I think the only way you will stop the run is to jump out to a 3 TD lead.

[hockeygoalie29]

That's if the Skins can establish the run. Big question there.

I don't think we'll have too much trouble establishing the run. I'd take our O-line vs. your D-line and LB's any day of the week....just as I'd take your O-line vs. our D-line and LB's.

I think the threat of our passing game which has oppened up tremendously these last few weeks will keep you guys from stacking the box with 8 or 9 guys which gives the advantage to Portis.

[Biggie]

The Kansas City Chiefs are an offensive team and will be for the foreseeable future, so please stop trying to make excuses for your underachieving, overpaid defenders. Kendrell Bell was let go by the Steelers because James Farrior could do a better job for less. If Patrick Surtain and Sammy Knight were such game-changing defenders, then the Dolphins should have gone to the playoffs. Derrick Johnson I like, but he's about it.

The thing you do have going for you is, as has been said countless times, offense. You have the best offensive line in football (when Roaf is in). You have (debatably) the best TE in football. You also have a running back who balances out his insane skills by being sidelined every year, and a backup who can run but fumbles because of how he holds the ball. What do we have to counter? One of the league's top safeties in only his second year, two aggressive tackling corners, a Pro Bowl linebacker, another Pro Bowl linebacker that's benched, and one of the best defensive coaches in the game today.

Also, for the love of God, stop capitalizing the word CHIEFS. It won't make them any better.

[alphaman]

Here's the article that some of you contributed to:

Insight from the Real Experts: Skins vs. KC

By Darren Carter
Warpaint Illustrated Columnist
Date: Oct 14, 2005

It's that time again for our weekly conversation with the real experts of the Chiefs upcoming opponent, the fan who follows the team day in and day out. The Chiefs come out of their bye week hoping to end their two game losing streak against the 3-1 Washington Redskins.

The Redskins are tied for first place in the NFC East division and feature the fourth best scoring defense in the league, giving up only 14.5 points per game. Redskins fans are very excited about their team’s chances of making the playoffs and possibly winning the NFC East.

Our panel of Redskins experts consists of the following:
• Jason Fenton, 24-year-old Federal Government employee from Arlington, VA, a Redskins fan for 17 years.
• Simon Montfort, 26-year-old graduate student from Johns Island, Republic of South Carolina, a Redskins fan all of his life.
• Norm Gore, a software business owner, from Gaithersburg, MD, a Redskins fan for over 30 years.


Our panel of experts watched the Broncos completely dismantle the Chiefs defense and the Donovan McNabb led Eagles dominate the Chiefs defense in the 2nd half of their 37-31 comeback victory. Those performances have these Redskins fans convinced the Chiefs defense is ripe for the picking for the Redskins offense. While previous experts spoke of one aspect of their offense dominating (such as the Jets rushing attack featuring Curtis Martin and the Raiders passing attack led by Randy Moss), the Redskins experts believe it is the mixture of run AND pass that the Chiefs will be unable to stop.

Question: What aspect of the Redskins attack do the Chiefs not have an answer for?
Answer: “I don't think the Chiefs have the ability to stop our running game. With the emergence of our deep passing game against the Cowboys and our intermediate game in recent games, defenses will have to pay close attention to Chris Cooley, David Patten and Santana Moss rather than putting 8 and 9 men in the box to stop Portis. I expect Portis to have a big day for us on the ground.” – Jason Fenton

“The Chiefs have struggled this year against balanced offenses. Whether this is symptomatic of bad defensive talent, bad scheme or just the opponents they have played is a good question. They shut down the Jets and Raiders, but neither of them are offensive juggernauts or “balanced” offenses. Even with the return of CB Eric Warfield (who might not play), the Chiefs will struggle with choosing whether to commit to stopping Portis (who is playing extremely well), commit to blitzing Brunell or commit to stacking man/zone coverages to stop Moss and the Skins passing attack. I have serious doubts that the Chiefs can make the correct choice on defense based on what I have seen from the Chiefs over the last couple weeks.” – Simon Montfort

“Offense. The 2005 Chiefs have not shown the ability to stop teams any better than the 2004 Chiefs.” - Norm Gore

Analysis: Can you blame these experts? The Chiefs defense has yet to prove they are up to the task of being a playoff caliber defense. The Chiefs defense ranks 27th in total defense, 30th in pass defense and 22nd in scoring. The Redskins offense features the running of Clinton Portis and the passing of mobile QB Mark Brunell. Portis has had huge games against the Chiefs including a 218-yard, five-touchdown performance in his last performance against the Chiefs in 2003. He’s averaging 90 yards per game this season, but has yet to score a touchdown. Brunell’s mobility allows the Redskins to bootleg and move the pocket quite a bit. However, he is most effective when rolling and passing to his left. During the broadcast of the Broncos/Redskins game last Sunday, a graphic was displayed showing over 75% of Brunell’s completions are to the left side of the field. While the Redskins have a balanced attack between rushing and passing, they are clearly a left-handed team in their passing attack. The Chiefs and defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham should be able to anticipate and exploit that tendencies.

Question: What aspect of the Chiefs concerns you the most?
Answer: “Dante Hall's kick returning worries me the most coming into this game. This isn't because I don't trust our players in coverage, but rather I think Dante Hall really is that good. He is the one part of your team that I don't think we have an answer for. All he needs is one good block and he's gone. While this doesn't seem to be a huge issue as he only handles the ball a handful of times, each of our games has been decided by 3 points or less, so each play is magnified. One big return, even if it doesn't result in a Special Teams touchdown, could be the difference in the game. “– Jason Fenton

“The Skins have been extremely inconsistent on Special teams all year. They have a rookie kicker who has had a kick blocked each of the last two games and rookie punter who has been less than stellar. Getting a big return from Dante Hall or consistently good returns from Hall (20+ yards) makes the Chiefs’ game plan that much easier.” – Simon Montfort

“Special Teams. Dante Hall is a beast and the Redskins special teams are suspect.” - Norm Gore

Analysis: Dante Hall has already shown that he is still the best return man in the NFL today. He is second in the league in kickoff returns averaging 28.1 yards per return. His kickoff return for a touchdown against the Eagles snatched momentum away from the Eagles and could have put the game away for the Chiefs had the Chiefs not fumbled just before halftime. Hall is a threat to score every time the Redskins punt or kickoff.

Conclusion: This game is an opportunity for the Chiefs to prove they are a serious contender for the AFC West crown. Portis is a tremendous running back who embarrassed the Chiefs the last time he played against them and proclaimed himself the heavy weight champion of running backs, even going so far as to wear a championship belt on the sidelines during the 4th quarter of that game. Brunell will test the Chiefs defensive ends on rollouts and boot legs especially Jared Allen (starting right defensive end) who has shown a propensity to get sucked in.

It will be very important for Allen to maintain his assignments as Brunell will be rolling his way most of the time. The Chiefs will also need to contain Santana Moss. He has blossomed into a big play wide receiver having had at least one reception over 30 yards in every game this season. Chris Cooley will put pressure on the linebackers in coverage as he has proven to be a very consistent receiving threat. The Chiefs have struggled covering tight ends this year so Cooley could have a big game.

The offense will be going against a very strong defense. That presents a tremendous opportunity to get back to being one of the most feared offenses in the league. I look for Tony Gonzalez and Priest Holmes to get more involved in the passing game this week. If Gonzalez and Holmes are effective in the passing game early, Kennison and Parker will be freed up to make big plays down the field.

The season begins again for the Chiefs on Sunday. Coming out of the bye week, it is almost like having another season/home opener. The Chiefs survived the first 4 games of the season that included a difficult schedule and numerous injuries. However, it’s not about survival over these next 12 games. Now it’s about proving the Chiefs are a legitimate contender.

[ChiefIronHorse]

LMAO. You are the ultimate homer. The Chiefs LBs have 1 overrated and unhealthy LB playing out of position, one no name and one rookie(who has shown potential). The Skins have one pro bowler, one good starter who has made people forget about another pro bowler(Pierce should have made the pro bowl last year, no doubt about that) and a solid vet. With a talented, physical star on the bench. Try again genius.

Pretty pathetic calling somebody homer just because he supports his team. Look up the definition of "opinion." Read it, learn it. I assume that you want everybody to follow your views and opinions. If they don't, they're the ulitmate homer. :rolleyes: Pathetic!!!

Knight is a playmaker, but he's a liabity in coverage. You can't dispute that. Woods is a hitter, but isn't a particularly good safety.

That's why he's use in run support as well. He's not asked to cover anybody one on one unless it's a TE. And that's on rare occations. Playing a cover 2, the CB helps him with the coverage.

Fine by me, you can kick it away from Hall(especially on punts) and him not playing WR is a bonus for the Skins.

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep better at night.

[ChiefIronHorse]

The Kansas City Chiefs are an offensive team and will be for the foreseeable future, so please stop trying to make excuses for your underachieving, overpaid defenders. Kendrell Bell was let go by the Steelers because James Farrior could do a better job for less. If Patrick Surtain and Sammy Knight were such game-changing defenders, then the Dolphins should have gone to the playoffs. Derrick Johnson I like, but he's about it.

The thing you do have going for you is, as has been said countless times, offense. You have the best offensive line in football (when Roaf is in). You have (debatably) the best TE in football. You also have a running back who balances out his insane skills by being sidelined every year, and a backup who can run but fumbles because of how he holds the ball. What do we have to counter? One of the league's top safeties in only his second year, two aggressive tackling corners, a Pro Bowl linebacker, another Pro Bowl linebacker that's benched, and one of the best defensive coaches in the game today.

Also, for the love of God, stop capitalizing the word CHIEFS. It won't make them any better.

Seems to me that a few skin fans fail to see my opinion and views. Can't a fan have faith in his/her team? Who's making excuses? Did I once make an excuse for the defense? ANSWER: NO! Seems to me like a few of the Skin fans can't take the fact that other people would rather take another teams player over theirs. True. The CHIEFS do have one of the best offensives in football. But a team needs a decent defense to win ball games.

Whoever said that it's going to make my team better if I capitalize CHIEFS? That's my choice. Live with it!

[ChiefIronHorse]

Here's the article that some of you contributed to:

Insight from the Real Experts: Skins vs. KC

By Darren Carter
Warpaint Illustrated Columnist
Date: Oct 14, 2005

It's that time again for our weekly conversation with the real experts of the Chiefs upcoming opponent, the fan who follows the team day in and day out. The Chiefs come out of their bye week hoping to end their two game losing streak against the 3-1 Washington Redskins.

The Redskins are tied for first place in the NFC East division and feature the fourth best scoring defense in the league, giving up only 14.5 points per game. Redskins fans are very excited about their team’s chances of making the playoffs and possibly winning the NFC East.

Our panel of Redskins experts consists of the following:
• Jason Fenton, 24-year-old Federal Government employee from Arlington, VA, a Redskins fan for 17 years.
• Simon Montfort, 26-year-old graduate student from Johns Island, Republic of South Carolina, a Redskins fan all of his life.
• Norm Gore, a software business owner, from Gaithersburg, MD, a Redskins fan for over 30 years.


Our panel of experts watched the Broncos completely dismantle the Chiefs defense and the Donovan McNabb led Eagles dominate the Chiefs defense in the 2nd half of their 37-31 comeback victory. Those performances have these Redskins fans convinced the Chiefs defense is ripe for the picking for the Redskins offense. While previous experts spoke of one aspect of their offense dominating (such as the Jets rushing attack featuring Curtis Martin and the Raiders passing attack led by Randy Moss), the Redskins experts believe it is the mixture of run AND pass that the Chiefs will be unable to stop.

Question: What aspect of the Redskins attack do the Chiefs not have an answer for?
Answer: “I don't think the Chiefs have the ability to stop our running game. With the emergence of our deep passing game against the Cowboys and our intermediate game in recent games, defenses will have to pay close attention to Chris Cooley, David Patten and Santana Moss rather than putting 8 and 9 men in the box to stop Portis. I expect Portis to have a big day for us on the ground.” – Jason Fenton

“The Chiefs have struggled this year against balanced offenses. Whether this is symptomatic of bad defensive talent, bad scheme or just the opponents they have played is a good question. They shut down the Jets and Raiders, but neither of them are offensive juggernauts or “balanced” offenses. Even with the return of CB Eric Warfield (who might not play), the Chiefs will struggle with choosing whether to commit to stopping Portis (who is playing extremely well), commit to blitzing Brunell or commit to stacking man/zone coverages to stop Moss and the Skins passing attack. I have serious doubts that the Chiefs can make the correct choice on defense based on what I have seen from the Chiefs over the last couple weeks.” – Simon Montfort

“Offense. The 2005 Chiefs have not shown the ability to stop teams any better than the 2004 Chiefs.” - Norm Gore

Analysis: Can you blame these experts? The Chiefs defense has yet to prove they are up to the task of being a playoff caliber defense. The Chiefs defense ranks 27th in total defense, 30th in pass defense and 22nd in scoring. The Redskins offense features the running of Clinton Portis and the passing of mobile QB Mark Brunell. Portis has had huge games against the Chiefs including a 218-yard, five-touchdown performance in his last performance against the Chiefs in 2003. He’s averaging 90 yards per game this season, but has yet to score a touchdown. Brunell’s mobility allows the Redskins to bootleg and move the pocket quite a bit. However, he is most effective when rolling and passing to his left. During the broadcast of the Broncos/Redskins game last Sunday, a graphic was displayed showing over 75% of Brunell’s completions are to the left side of the field. While the Redskins have a balanced attack between rushing and passing, they are clearly a left-handed team in their passing attack. The Chiefs and defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham should be able to anticipate and exploit that tendencies.

Question: What aspect of the Chiefs concerns you the most?
Answer: “Dante Hall's kick returning worries me the most coming into this game. This isn't because I don't trust our players in coverage, but rather I think Dante Hall really is that good. He is the one part of your team that I don't think we have an answer for. All he needs is one good block and he's gone. While this doesn't seem to be a huge issue as he only handles the ball a handful of times, each of our games has been decided by 3 points or less, so each play is magnified. One big return, even if it doesn't result in a Special Teams touchdown, could be the difference in the game. “– Jason Fenton

“The Skins have been extremely inconsistent on Special teams all year. They have a rookie kicker who has had a kick blocked each of the last two games and rookie punter who has been less than stellar. Getting a big return from Dante Hall or consistently good returns from Hall (20+ yards) makes the Chiefs’ game plan that much easier.” – Simon Montfort

“Special Teams. Dante Hall is a beast and the Redskins special teams are suspect.” - Norm Gore

Analysis: Dante Hall has already shown that he is still the best return man in the NFL today. He is second in the league in kickoff returns averaging 28.1 yards per return. His kickoff return for a touchdown against the Eagles snatched momentum away from the Eagles and could have put the game away for the Chiefs had the Chiefs not fumbled just before halftime. Hall is a threat to score every time the Redskins punt or kickoff.

Conclusion: This game is an opportunity for the Chiefs to prove they are a serious contender for the AFC West crown. Portis is a tremendous running back who embarrassed the Chiefs the last time he played against them and proclaimed himself the heavy weight champion of running backs, even going so far as to wear a championship belt on the sidelines during the 4th quarter of that game. Brunell will test the Chiefs defensive ends on rollouts and boot legs especially Jared Allen (starting right defensive end) who has shown a propensity to get sucked in.

It will be very important for Allen to maintain his assignments as Brunell will be rolling his way most of the time. The Chiefs will also need to contain Santana Moss. He has blossomed into a big play wide receiver having had at least one reception over 30 yards in every game this season. Chris Cooley will put pressure on the linebackers in coverage as he has proven to be a very consistent receiving threat. The Chiefs have struggled covering tight ends this year so Cooley could have a big game.

The offense will be going against a very strong defense. That presents a tremendous opportunity to get back to being one of the most feared offenses in the league. I look for Tony Gonzalez and Priest Holmes to get more involved in the passing game this week. If Gonzalez and Holmes are effective in the passing game early, Kennison and Parker will be freed up to make big plays down the field.

The season begins again for the Chiefs on Sunday. Coming out of the bye week, it is almost like having another season/home opener. The Chiefs survived the first 4 games of the season that included a difficult schedule and numerous injuries. However, it’s not about survival over these next 12 games. Now it’s about proving the Chiefs are a legitimate contender.

Great article! I've seen a few this season. Keep up the great work!

[ChiefIronHorse]

Well Skin fans, it's time to bid you a farewell. I've come on this site to discuss football. I have to work in a few hours and game time is tomorrow. So this week for discussing football is at an end. I don't want to over stay my welcome. I know how trolls can get and I'm too mature to become one or turn anything we've discussed into a pissing match. I would say good luck tomorrow but I'd be lying. I'll say this, I hope for an injury free game tomorrow.

On and ending note. A few fans (and I mean very few) have a problem with different opinions and views. For the most part, this is a great forum with dedicated and great members. I do hope that the Skins go far this season. I've always like the team (one of my favorite NFC teams) and their fans. Good luck with the reason of the season.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHIEFS!!!!

[Edskins_RVA]

Well Skin fans, it's time to bid you a farewell. I've come on this site to discuss football. I have to work in a few hours and game time is tomorrow. So this week for discussing football is at an end. I don't want to over stay my welcome. I know how trolls can get and I'm too mature to become one or turn anything we've discussed into a pissing match. I would say good luck tomorrow but I'd be lying. I'll say this, I hope for an injury free game tomorrow.

On and ending note. A few fans (and I mean very few) have a problem with different opinions and views. For the most part, this is a great forum with dedicated and great members. I do hope that the Skins go far this season. I've always like the team (one of my favorite NFC teams) and their fans. Good luck with the reason of the season.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHIEFS!!!!

Take care Chief! I for one have enjoyed reading your posts on the site and I think you have set a high standard as an opposing fan. I would also be lying if I said "good luck".. I'll just wish for a good competitive game and hope that no one gets injured. Thanks for coming over and mixing it up with us!

HAIL!

[chrisbcbu]

Well Skin fans, it's time to bid you a farewell. I've come on this site to discuss football. I have to work in a few hours and game time is tomorrow. So this week for discussing football is at an end. I don't want to over stay my welcome. I know how trolls can get and I'm too mature to become one or turn anything we've discussed into a pissing match. I would say good luck tomorrow but I'd be lying. I'll say this, I hope for an injury free game tomorrow.

On and ending note. A few fans (and I mean very few) have a problem with different opinions and views. For the most part, this is a great forum with dedicated and great members. I do hope that the Skins go far this season. I've always like the team (one of my favorite NFC teams) and their fans. Good luck with the reason of the season.

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHIEFS!!!!

Read the game preview on hR. http://www.hailredskins.com/GamePreview.htm

See what you think about it.

[akhhorus]

Pretty pathetic calling somebody homer just because he supports his team. Look up the definition of "opinion." Read it, learn it. I assume that you want everybody to follow your views and opinions. If they don't, they're the ulitmate homer. :rolleyes: Pathetic!!!

Everyone allowed to have an opinion, and you can have yours. I can have mine on yours also. But a statement like: "The Chiefs LBs are better than the Skins LBs." will provoke a response. I think its funny that you're criticizing me for my opinion on your opinion. What if I had posted that the Skins Oline for much better than the Chiefs Oline? It could be my opinion, but its not based in fact. You can say what ever you think, but saying something not based in fact will provoke a response. And HOMERS say things as ridiculous as you did. I would be a homer if I said Chris Cooley is a better player than Tony Gonzalez.


Keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep better at night.

Easy enough to kick a punt out of bounds. Easy enough to kick a kickoff away from the player. Teams are fools if they kick at Hall.

[akhhorus]

On and ending note. A few fans (and I mean very few) have a problem with different opinions and views. For the most part, this is a great forum with dedicated and great members.

Blah blah blah. Come on an opposing fan site and you have to expect people to disagree with you. I'm sorry we didn't write sonnets on how great the Chiefs are(because apparently thats what you were expecting), but you're not going to get that. The Chiefs have a very good offense, but a terrible defense(The Philly game clinches that case for me). This will be a very interesting game.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

They should be discussing us cause we are gonna take it to them.:sfight:

[chiefsfanatik]

Good game guys. Moss torched the Chiefs secondary like I said. Portis didn't get his 100 yards rushing and the Chiefs win. Two positives and 1 negative but a win is a win.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Everyone allowed to have an opinion, and you can have yours. I can have mine on yours also. But a statement like: "The Chiefs LBs are better than the Skins LBs." will provoke a response. I think its funny that you're criticizing me for my opinion on your opinion. What if I had posted that the Skins Oline for much better than the Chiefs Oline? It could be my opinion, but its not based in fact. You can say what ever you think, but saying something not based in fact will provoke a response. And HOMERS say things as ridiculous as you did. I would be a homer if I said Chris Cooley is a better player than Tony Gonzalez.

So tell me akhhorus, what did I state that was ridiculous? Supporting my team and their LBs is ridiculous? So it's fair to say that since you support alot of the asspect of the Skins team is ridiulous? I expected a response from Skins fans in reference to my LBs choice. However, I expected a more level headed response from Skin fans othen then, "ultimate homer" or "Try again genius" response. Just my opinion. I was correct in respect to my previous statement with the exception of a couple of responses.

Easy enough to kick a punt out of bounds. Easy enough to kick a kickoff away from the player. Teams are fools if they kick at Hall.

Good job keeping D. Hall in check. My hat off to the Skins special teams unit.

[akhhorus]

So tell me akhhorus, what did I state that was ridiculous? Supporting my team and their LBs is ridiculous? So it's fair to say that since you support alot of the asspect of the Skins team is ridiulous? I expected a response from Skins fans in reference to my LBs choice. However, I expected a more level headed response from Skin fans othen then, "ultimate homer" or "Try again genius" response. Just my opinion. I was correct in respect to my previous statement with the exception of a couple of responses.

What is ridiculous is that you're criticizing me for criticizing your opinions. Since they would be opinions of mine also. People can have any opinions you want, but things that border on the ridiculous(even if its just the person's opinion that the opinion borders on the ridiculous) will provoke a response in a medium like this. Again, if I had posted that the Skins Oline was much better than the Chiefs oline, I would expect to be called a homer. Or if I called James Thrash a better returner than Dante Hall, I would expect the same.

Good job keeping D. Hall in check. My hat off to the Skins special teams unit.

It was a good game, we checked your offense when we had to, and it came down to mistakes. The Skins made them and got burned by them, the Chiefs didn't. The Chief who got slammed by the Skins punter on one of those returns should be ashamed of himself.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Blah blah blah. Come on an opposing fan site and you have to expect people to disagree with you. I'm sorry we didn't write sonnets on how great the Chiefs are(because apparently thats what you were expecting), but you're not going to get that. The Chiefs have a very good offense, but a terrible defense(The Philly game clinches that case for me). This will be a very interesting game.

Don't be sorry that you didn't write sonnets with me. I promise you one thing, I won't lose sleep over your responses. I'll let you on a alittle secret akhhorus, I've been in law enforcement for approximately 11 years. I'm use to people not writting sonnets with me or even agreeing with me. I'm use to the, "don't arrest me for domestic violence don't arrest me for driving under the influence for intoxicating liquor or drugs, don't arrest me for criminal damage to property, don't arrest me for assault and battery." (You seem intelligent. I'm sure you get the point). Do you think that I sat them down and said, "let's sit down and write and sing a sonnet?" Did I ever say the CHIEFS were great? ANSWER: No! Did I ever ask any of the Skins fans to agree with me in regards to the CHIEFS team? ANSWER: NO! I didn't the ask for the Skins fans on this forum to agree with me that the CHIEFS were great in any way shape or form? ANSWER: No!

The reason I came onto the respectable forum is to find out more about your team. Which I did though you and other knowledgeable fans. Not to ask for Skin fans to agree with me on my opinion in regards to Skin and CHIEF players. Do yourself a favor and go back to many of my posts. I asked several questions about the Skins team the their players. I was sincere when I was asking several questions in regards to the Skins team and their players. I wanted to know those answers to my question so I may watch the game with a better perspective. I didn't come on this form to be disrespected by being called, "ulitmate homer." I didn't come on this form to disrespect their memebers or their team. Seems to me that your the only member on this forum that had had problem with my opinions.

On an ending note, great game. I truely hope that the Skins win the rest of their games and make it to the Super Bowl. They have a great team with great fans. Good luck



P.S. Now if you want to continue discussing football and our respected teams, fine. But if you want to continue calling names, ie... "ultimate home" and "try again genus" then let me know and I'll ignore you and find other respectable "Skin" fans. Your choice.


P.S.S. "Blah blah blah." Not sure what that means but thought I would speak your language. :lol1:

[akhhorus]

Don't be sorry that you didn't write sonnets with me. I promise you one thing, I won't lose sleep over your responses. I'll let you on a alittle secret akhhorus, I've been in law enforcement for approximately 11 years. I'm use to people not writting sonnets with me or even agreeing with me. I'm use to the, "don't arrest me for domestic violence don't arrest me for driving under the influence for intoxicating liquor or drugs, don't arrest me for criminal damage to property, don't arrest me for assault and battery." (You seem intelligent. I'm sure you get the point).

Didn't need the life story. So I guess you missed the day in school where you learned to conjugate words? And no, the criminals who whined to you have nothing to do with this debate. Nice try with the "You seem intelligent" comment thinking I was too stupid to see that you were trying to not actually discuss this one.

Do you think that I sat them down and said, "let's sit down and write and sing a sonnet?" Did I ever say the CHIEFS were great? ANSWER: No! Did I ever ask any of the Skins fans to agree with me in regards to the CHIEFS team? ANSWER: NO! I didn't the ask for the Skins fans on this forum to agree with me that the CHIEFS were great in any way shape or form? ANSWER: No!

No, but when we didn't agree with you, you turned away from the informational train and jumped on the homer train.

The reason I came onto the respectable forum is to find out more about your team. Which I did though you and other knowledgeable fans. Not to ask for Skin fans to agree with me on my opinion in regards to Skin and CHIEF players. Do yourself a favor and go back to many of my posts. I asked several questions about the Skins team the their players. I was sincere when I was asking several questions in regards to the Skins team and their players. I wanted to know those answers to my question so I may watch the game with a better perspective. I didn't come on this form to be disrespected by being called, "ulitmate homer." I didn't come on this form to disrespect their memebers or their team. Seems to me that your the only member on this forum that had had problem with my opinions.

And I don't how care popular my opinions are publically. I've lost count how many times it's me against a bunch of people, and then after the argument is over, plenty of people pm me their support. Notice how no one was supporting you? And I wasn't disrepecting(nor did I think you were disrespecting our members or team) you, I was debating with you, if you can't handle that, I suggest you leave here and don't come back. I realize you came on here to learn more about your opponent this week, but instead after we disagreed with you, you turned into the defender of the Chiefs and started making ridiculous opinions.


P.S. Now if you want to continue discussing football and our respected teams, fine. But if you want to continue calling names, ie... "ultimate home" and "try again genus" then let me know and I'll ignore you and find other respectable "Skin" fans. Your choice.

We don't allow name calling here, and nothing I did sank to that level. And I could care less what you do with your time here. And you'll find the ignore feature basically useless since we quote each other way too much.

P.S.S. "Blah blah blah." Not sure what that means but thought I would speak your language. :lol1:

(crickets)

[ChiefIronHorse]

What is ridiculous is that you're criticizing me for criticizing your opinions. Since they would be opinions of mine also. People can have any opinions you want, but things that border on the ridiculous(even if its just the person's opinion that the opinion borders on the ridiculous) will provoke a response in a medium like this. Again, if I had posted that the Skins Oline was much better than the Chiefs oline, I would expect to be called a homer. Or if I called James Thrash a better returner than Dante Hall, I would expect the same.

It was a good game, we checked your offense when we had to, and it came down to mistakes. The Skins made them and got burned by them, the Chiefs didn't. The Chief who got slammed by the Skins punter on one of those returns should be ashamed of himself.

Who the person that's going to deem the responses ridiculous or regular opinions? You?

I never criticized you for criticizing me and my opinions. What I did was criticized you for the matter in which you did it. You'll get more respect with more positive responses then you would with negative ones.

Fact is that you didn't take to the liking that I like the LBs of the CHIEFS over the Skins LBs. What's wrong with that? Did I call you a "ultimate homer" for your opinions?

It was a great game. It had me on the edge of my seat to the last second. I knew that this wasn't going to be a blowout by no means. Both defenses did a great job against the run. The Skin had a few mistakes and the CHIEFS took advantage of a couple of them. That's the way the game goes. Any given Sunday as I always say. I still say that the Skins have a great team this year. Don't let this loss get you down. You're still 3-2 and well within reach of the division lead. Alot of season to be played.

SKINS > gi"ants", cow"girls", ea"gals"

P.S. I'll be keeping a closer eye on your team and routing for them!!!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO REDSKINS!!

[akhhorus]

Who the person that's going to deem the responses ridiculous or regular opinions? You?

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I never criticized you for criticizing me and my opinions. What I did was criticized you for the matter in which you did it. You'll get more respect with more positive responses then you would with negative ones.

Im not looking for respect. I don't have this ridiculous fetish for respect that you have.

Fact is that you didn't take to the liking that I like the LBs of the CHIEFS over the Skins LBs. What's wrong with that? Did I call you a "ultimate homer" for your opinions?

If I had said that something along the lines of what you said, I would expect to have been called something similar to that. If I had said that Chris Samuels is much better than Willie Roaf, you would be justified in calling me a homer, perhaps "the ultimate homer". To see where the line between opinion and the absurd blurs?

It was a great game. It had me on the edge of my seat to the last second. I knew that this wasn't going to be a blowout by no means. Both defenses did a great job against the run. The Skin had a few mistakes and the CHIEFS took advantage of a couple of them. That's the way the game goes. Any given Sunday as I always say. I still say that the Skins have a great team this year. Don't let this loss get you down. You're still 3-2 and well within reach of the division lead. Alot of season to be played.

It came down to mistakes and the Skins made them. But I am heartened that the Skins outplayed both the Broncos and Chiefs in their home stadiums and lost close games.

[Edskins_RVA]

Who the person that's going to deem the responses ridiculous or regular opinions? You?

I never criticized you for criticizing me and my opinions. What I did was criticized you for the matter in which you did it. You'll get more respect with more positive responses then you would with negative ones.

Fact is that you didn't take to the liking that I like the LBs of the CHIEFS over the Skins LBs. What's wrong with that? Did I call you a "ultimate homer" for your opinions?

It was a great game. It had me on the edge of my seat to the last second. I knew that this wasn't going to be a blowout by no means. Both defenses did a great job against the run. The Skin had a few mistakes and the CHIEFS took advantage of a couple of them. That's the way the game goes. Any given Sunday as I always say. I still say that the Skins have a great team this year. Don't let this loss get you down. You're still 3-2 and well within reach of the division lead. Alot of season to be played.

SKINS > gi"ants", cow"girls", ea"gals"

P.S. I'll be keeping a closer eye on your team and routing for them!!!!

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO REDSKINS!!

Congrats on the Chiefs hard-fought win! Thanks also for the well wishes for the future. Same to our fellow AFC "Indian" team! :)

[ChiefIronHorse]

Didn't need the life story. So I guess you missed the day in school where you learned to conjugate words? And no, the criminals who whined to you have nothing to do with this debate. Nice try with the "You seem intelligent" comment thinking I was too stupid to see that you were trying to not actually discuss this one.

Seems to me that you don't read enough if you think that a few comments describe my life story. Looks like you took my kindness for weakness. It happens. I missed a few days of school but I didn't miss the day when they taught the meaning of respect and tact. Look those two words up. You'll learn a thing or two. Keep crying over the war of words. Seems like you feed of this kind of response. Yes the way criminals act does pertain to the debate. Since I don't agree with you I get a response, "LMAO. You're the ultimate homer." In your own words, "try again genius." I'm reluctant on calling you intelligent after your previous post. JMO of course.[/QUOTE]

No, but when we didn't agree with you, you turned away from the informational train and jumped on the homer train.

Try again homer. WHEN I DIDN'T AGREE WITH YOU, you were the one that started the name calling to begin with. Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

And I don't how care popular my opinions are publically. I've lost count how many times it's me against a bunch of people, and then after the argument is over, plenty of people pm me their support. Notice how no one was supporting you? And I wasn't disrepecting(nor did I think you were disrespecting our members or team) you, I was debating with you, if you can't handle that, I suggest you leave here and don't come back. I realize you came on here to learn more about your opponent this week, but instead after we disagreed with you, you turned into the defender of the Chiefs and started making ridiculous opinions.

This is a humors statement. I've had several hR member PM me advising me of the kind of individual you are. I'm not going to release their names. I respect them too much. I wouldn't expect any them to come to my aide in this forum. If I did, NOW THAT WOULD BE A HOMER!!! I know that your a respectable member in this forum. It's possible that this is the only kind of respect you receive in life. Not saying that is this true. But possible.

We don't allow name calling here, and nothing I did sank to that level. And I could care less what you do with your time here. And you'll find the ignore feature basically useless since we quote each other way too much.

I haven't resorted to name calling as well. Nothing I did sank to that level. I could care less what you do with your time in here. Again, if you find the ignore feature usefull, by all means, use it. If you want to discuss a great game, by all means, let me know.

So I guess you missed the day in school where you learned to conjugate words?

P.S. Sorry if I've made a couple of mistakes. I'm a fast thinker who tends to make a typo from time to time. I've also had a few Coronas (and a cigar) for the game.)

[Axegrinder]

Easy.....easy....
Thank you.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Congrats on the Chiefs hard-fought win! Thanks also for the well wishes for the future. Same to our fellow AFC "Indian" team! :)

Thanks Edskins. I promise you one thing....... I'll be cheering for the REDSKINS for the rest of the season. Great team and great fans!!!!


GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO REDSKINS!!

[akhhorus]

Seems to me that you don't read enough if you think that a few comments describe my life story. Looks like you took my kindness for weakness. It happens. I missed a few days of school but I didn't miss the day when they taught the meaning of respect and tact. Look those two words up. You'll learn a thing or two. Keep crying over the war of words. Seems like you feed of this kind of response. Yes the way criminals act does pertain to the debate. Since I don't agree with you I get a response, "LMAO. You're the ultimate homer." In your own words, "try again genius." I'm reluctant on calling you intelligent after your previous post. JMO of course.

:sleeping: Anything else?

Try again homer. WHEN I DIDN'T AGREE WITH YOU, you were the one that started the name calling to begin with. Denial isn't a river in Egypt.

I didn't call you names. I described you as a homer. Which you are, and everybody is. You just got defensive about it.

This is a humors statement. I've had several hR member PM me advising me of the kind of individual you are. I'm not going to release their names. I respect them too much.

I bet I could guess who they are. But I don't believe you. Thats happened before, but the people who did it, immediate ran and told me about it.

I wouldn't expect any them to come to my aide in this forum. If I did, NOW THAT WOULD BE A HOMER!!!

No it wouldn't. That would be a debate.

I know that your a respectable member in this forum. It's possible that this is the only kind of respect you receive in life. Not saying that is this true. But possible.

So, I'm a respectable member of this board, but several people pmed you to tell you about me. Again with your fetish of respect. I have never cared what my rep is here, nor do I care how much respect I get here. I am who I am, and if you don't like, its up to you. And that goes for the real world and this board. I'm not in this to become a respected member of a community.

I haven't resorted to name calling as well. Nothing I did sank to that level. I could care less what you do with your time in here. Again, if you find the ignore feature usefull, by all means, use it. If you want to discuss a great game, by all means, let me know.

We are discussing it in plenty of other threads, feel free to join the conversation. If you want to whine and bitch, feel free to continue here.

[Axegrinder]

:sleeping: Anything else?



I didn't call you names. I described you as a homer. Which you are, and everybody is. You just got defensive about it.



I bet I could guess who they are. But I don't believe you. Thats happened before, but the people who did it, immediate ran and told me about it.



No it wouldn't. That would be a debate.



So, I'm a respectable member of this board, but several people pmed you to tell you about me. Again with your fetish of respect. I have never cared what my rep is here, nor do I care how much respect I get here. I am who I am, and if you don't like, its up to you. And that goes for the real world and this board. I'm not in this to become a respected member of a community.



We are discussing it in plenty of other threads, feel free to join the conversation. If you want to whine and bitch, feel free to continue here.Easy....easy.....
Thank you.

[ChiefIronHorse]

beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Forgot to capitalize the word beauty! :rolleyes: Metallica fan? :lol1:


Im not looking for respect. I don't have this ridiculous fetish for respect that you have.

Sorry, I've served the United States of America, my state, county and city, I've earned my respect for several life times! I didn't come on this forum for respect. "Try again genius."

If I had said that something along the lines of what you said, I would expect to have been called something similar to that. If I had said that Chris Samuels is much better than Willie Roaf, you would be justified in calling me a homer, perhaps "the ultimate homer". To see where the line between opinion and the absurd blurs?

That's where you and I differ. I would had respected your opinion. If you think that Samuels is better then Roaf, so be it.

It came down to mistakes and the Skins made them. But I am heartened that the Skins outplayed both the Broncos and Chiefs in their home stadiums and lost close games.

Agreed! "Mistakes" is the key word in reference to the outcome of this game. The Skins made several mistakes as did the CHIEFS. It was a hard fought game. Be that it may, the Skins have to be better to overcome those mistakes. Just outplaying a team doesn't guarantee a win. I was praying that the Skins would beat the donkeys and lose to the CHIEFS. I'm hoping the REDSKINS make it to the big game to face the CHIEFS.

[Axegrinder]

This Contest Is Over!!!
Both are warned.
If you have something to say,PM each other!

[akhhorus]

Sorry, I've served the United States of America, my state, county and city, I've earned my respect for several life times! I didn't come on this forum for respect. "Try again genius."

Thanks for your service, but that doesn't earn you respect. That earns you thanks. Your obsession with respect shows how little you know about it.

That's where you and I differ. I would had respected your opinion. If you think that Samuels is better then Roaf, so be it.

But I would be wrong. And you would be correct if calling me a homer. There is a difference between opinion and absurdity. For example, Jason Sehorn said that Marc Bulger was a better QB than Tom Brady. It's his opinion, but Dan Patrick immediately publically checked on how many concussions Sehorn had. Do you see the difference between opinion and absurdity?

Agreed! "Mistakes" is the key word in reference to the outcome of this game. The Skins made several mistakes as did the CHIEFS. It was a hard fought game. Be that it may, the Skins have to be better to overcome those mistakes. Just outplaying a team doesn't guarantee a win. I was praying that the Skins would beat the donkeys and lose to the CHIEFS. I'm hoping the REDSKINS make it to the big game to face the CHIEFS.

I doubt either team will be playing in late January unless they schedule a golf outing together in hawaii.

[Axegrinder]

:devil2: :devil2:

[akhhorus]

:devil2: :devil2:

I didn't see your warning as I was typing that. Feel free to delete it and lock the thread.

[ChiefIronHorse]

Anything else?

I should be asking you this question. Were you one of those kids that had to have the last comment? :rolleyes:

I didn't call you names. I described you as a homer. Which you are, and everybody is. You just got defensive about it.

I guess that's what separates you and I. I'd call you a fan. On the other hand, you call people homers. How many other Skin fans called me a "homer?"

I bet I could guess who they are. But I don't believe you. Thats happened before, but the people who did it, immediate ran and told me about it.

Sounds to me that you're unsure of yourself. Can you guess who it is or is it that you don't believe me? Which is it?

No it wouldn't. That would be a debate.

So is your intelligence. But I'll leave it at that. :lol1:

So, I'm a respectable member of this board, but several people pmed you to tell you about me. Again with your fetish of respect. I have never cared what my rep is here, nor do I care how much respect I get here. I am who I am, and if you don't like, its up to you. And that goes for the real world and this board. I'm not in this to become a respected member of a community.

You're the one that claiming that you're respected in this forum. Now tell me who's the one with the fetish? Again, if you want to discuss the game, fine. I'll leave up to you.

We are discussing it in plenty of other threads, feel free to join the conversation. If you want to whine and bitch, feel free to continue here.

Again, if you want to end it here, let me know. I'll be more then happy to discuss the game with the Skins fans. If you want to continue the "whinning and bitching" let me know as well.

[ChiefIronHorse]

:devil2:

I get the hint. :)

Again, good luck to the Skins and their fans for the rest of the season!