Do you believe Santana Moss can maintain this pace during the 2nd half?

[SkinsFan4Life2003]

I think i can speak for everyone when i say no one expected Moss to be this good for us. He is on pace to shatter every team record for WR's and i'm wondering if you think he can maintain the pace he's set.

[fent]

he's given us no reason to believe he can't. as long as our offense continues to click, he can. the biggest thing that will help him out is the continued emergence of patten and cooley. if they both get going at full speed, then defenses will not be able to pay as much attention to him.

[GibbsRules!]

I don't see why not. If teams start doubling him we will make them pay with Patten and Cooley on the short routes. Thrash and Portis might see some more looks as well.

That was the classic theme of the Gibbs 1.0...you knew what was coming and you knew who was getting the ball, yet, for the most part, our O couldn't be stopped. It's a pleasure to behold and it's happening again.

[silverspring]

If he remains healthy i don't see why not.

[The Skinsinator]

As long as he stays healthy and teams don't double team him the entire game. Both are big ifs considering his past and his production this year. A cornerback can't defend him one on one. Hell he's almost indefensible really. I'm a bit worried that an eagle, giant, or cowgirl may take a dirty hit on him trying to take him out. Yes folks thats how competitive the NFC East is. I knew he would help with the big play but didn't know he would help this much. Dude is bad.

[GibbsRules!]

As long as he stays healthy and teams don't double team him the entire game. Both are big ifs considering his past and his production this year. A cornerback can't defend him one on one. Hell he's almost indefensible really. I'm a bit worried that an eagle, giant, or cowgirl may take a dirty hit on him trying to take him out. Yes folks thats how competitive the NFC East is. I knew he would help with the big play but didn't know he would help this much. Dude is bad.

I was thinking about that with Roy Williams as well. Especially after he got burned twice by Moss. Thankfully, we don't play them til the end of the year and by then Williams will have probably been suspended for trying to knock TO out again.

[redwolf1218]

i think he can maintain his level of play because we arent really wearing him out. he's being used sparingly on special teams, if at all, and he's not taking bone crushing hits out there on offense, at least not the kind of hits Coles was taking last year across the middle. up until now he's really being used perfectly to preserve his health. he's just now entering into his prime and he should now know what a long season it's going to be and how to last through it.

[redcayman]

Yes but a few things have to happen. First he must stay healthy. Second Brunnel has to stay healthy. I love Ramsey but our offense will regress seriously with him in there. Last but not least our running game has to keep on producing to make defenses pay for double covering Moss.

[skinswin]

I think he will still be very productive but not at this pace. Remember, teams will make adjustments and it's up to us to make them pay when they give too much attention to Moss, we then go to Patten.

As long as our TE's stay active in the passing game, our WR in general should be fine as a group.

[redwolf1218]

he's #1 in yardage, and he's actually way out in front, by almost 100 yards over the next guy (Chad Johnson).

RECEIVING YARDS YDS

Santana
Moss 1. Santana Moss, WAS 743
2. Chad Johnson, CIN 655
3. Torry Holt, STL 638
4. Terry Glenn, DAL 617
5. Terrell Owens, PHI 609

[whitskins]

he's #1 in yardage, and he's actually way out in front, by almost 100 yards over the next guy (Chad Johnson).

RECEIVING YARDS YDS

Santana
Moss 1. Santana Moss, WAS 743
2. Chad Johnson, CIN 655
3. Torry Holt, STL 638
4. Terry Glenn, DAL 617
5. Terrell Owens, PHI 609

And he's played in one less game than half the teams in the league. Unbelievable...

[GibbsRules!]

he's #1 in yardage, and he's actually way out in front, by almost 100 yards over the next guy (Chad Johnson).

RECEIVING YARDS YDS

Santana
Moss 1. Santana Moss, WAS 743
2. Chad Johnson, CIN 655
3. Torry Holt, STL 638
4. Terry Glenn, DAL 617
5. Terrell Owens, PHI 609
Randy who? Boy, did we get the right guy.

[redwolf1218]

And he's played in one less game than half the teams in the league. Unbelievable...
i totally forgot about that. i was thinking he could almost take a game off and still be in the lead, but he's already done that. he's pulling away from the pack big time.

[gibbs4pres]

he's being used sparingly on special teams, if at all, and he's not taking bone crushing hits out there on offense, up until now he's really being used perfectly to preserve his health.


These are all very good points Red. He's getting the ball where he can run with it, or shall I say run away with it, or get out of bounds. I think if the O-line can continue to protect Brunell he could get even better. Remember this offense is just starting to gel.:typeR2:

[redwolf1218]

These are all very good points Red. He's getting the ball where he can run with it, or shall I say run away with it, or get out of bounds. I think if the O-line can continue to protect Brunell he could get even better. Remember this offense is just starting to gel.:typeR2:
it seems like they'ev been trying to use his punt returning skills not on special teams, but by getting him the ball in the open field or on screens. from there, it's like a punt return, where he can point and direct his blockers and use his speed, and avoid the big hits. they seem to be making an effort to protect his health that way. the last thing he needs is big hits across the middle, and i cant remember any that he's taken.

[akhhorus]

If Moss had 2 or 3 amazing games and 3-4 ordinary games, I would say that he couldn't maintain the pace. But he's had great game after great game. His worst game this year, he only had 87 yards. He can do it, but whether he will is dependant on Brunell and the offense as a whole.

[redwolf1218]

If Moss had 2 or 3 amazing games and 3-4 ordinary games, I would say that he couldn't maintain the pace. But he's had great game after great game. His worst game this year, he only had 87 yards. He can do it, but whether he will is dependant on Brunell and the offense as a whole.
i think Brunell does deserve some of the credit for not getting him killed with bad passes. he's also placed some long ones perfectly in the bread basket when Moss was actually really well covered. Moss should also have another catch and a TD on that one in the endzone that the refs took away.

[nynate]

Of course he CAN, it's just a matter of a lot of factors. My guess is that he will remain a top wide out, maybe not record breaking, and I think over all totals will go down as teams double team him, but with Patten, Cooley, Thrash, and Jacobs, if Moss is doubled hit other people for a bit and then get back to man to man with Moss, and hit him deep. I see no reason that if everyone stays healthy he can't have a monster 2nd half, I would be a little suprised if it was as good or better than the 1st...

Of course I hope it's even better.....

[smoak]

Oh boy... Let me get ready to be roasted.

No, I don't think he can. Not only are we a better team if we start spreading the ball a little better, but we'll face tougher defenses. Moss is awesome. Incredible. Unbelievable.

I just don't think he ends the year with his "per game" averages.

[EberKain]

If Brunell stays at QB, then I think Moss will have 5 more games with over 100 yards.

[akhhorus]

Oh boy... Let me get ready to be roasted.

No, I don't think he can. Not only are we a better team if we start spreading the ball a little better, but we'll face tougher defenses. Moss is awesome. Incredible. Unbelievable.

I just don't think he ends the year with his "per game" averages.

The problem is that the whole passing game appears to be designed to get the ball in Moss' hands. Watch any game, when they have Moss in the slot and a CB lines up over him, they motion Cooley out to the End and the CB adjusts to him and the ball always goes towards Moss in that formation. I've seen them run this 15-20 times so far and it works just about every time. I doubt that he will finish with 123 yards per game, but 110 is probable.

[skinsfan811]

I think that many good points (about how he's been used well, not taking a beating,etc.)have been said.

BUT...I dont think he will stay at the same pace...he's been doing so well, that it'll be extremely difficult to keep it up (once defenses start to pick up on his style and start to discover a way to maybe shut him down a little.).That being said...I do think he'll lead the league in yards at the end of the year and make the pro bowl.


So ,in conclusion, his performance will drop off a little, but he'll still be an impact player and a deep threat.

[Dept_of_Defense]

I think that if CP continues to gain good yardage on the ground, and Patten and Cooley continue to keep defenses off balance, Moss should continue to have a record-breaking year. We've already seen that he doesn't drop balls, and once it gets in his hands, he could go all the way. The only thing that will hold him back is the production of those 3 players.
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[2Cooley]

whats the team record cause i could see him breaking that

[DoGood]

As our offense continues to evolve, he shouldn't have to. Good offenses should be balanced and multi-pronged. The iggles are moving in the wrong direction. We are moving in the right direction if we can keep the defense guessing.

This is uncharted territory for Santana Moss. Its also an adventure for all of us.

[bgforever]

i think he can maintain his level of play because we arent really wearing him out. he's being used sparingly on special teams, if at all, and he's not taking bone crushing hits out there on offense, at least not the kind of hits Coles was taking last year across the middle. up until now he's really being used perfectly to preserve his health. he's just now entering into his prime and he should now know what a long season it's going to be and how to last through it.

As long as we continue to hit him in stride, but Philly has lane blockage protection on crossing and slants. Some receivers duck before the ball is even close or the receivers struggle to break from the coverage that tightens. Against Dallas, they will go back to doubling him, and count on their D Line to slow the running game, get pressure on Brunell. Against Tampa Bay the backers and secondary will likely slow the game to a near crawl against our Offense. St. Louis is a mysterious team, with peaks and valleys and the Chargers are too this year. Through it all, Moss should still get at or near 100 catches at least and a few more TD's but the stretch games will slow it ,as more players on the team play bigger roles.

[DoGood]

whats the team record cause i could see him breaking that

The single season record for receiving yards belongs to Bobby Mitchell when he collected 1,436 in 1963. Santana is well on pace to not only shatter that, but break the all-time record of 1,848 by Jerry Rice in 1995 with the 9ners.

[X-Factor13]

Nah i doubt it, but at the same time he has gone against some pretty good defenses and just shredded them. It's tough to say that he will because it is just so unlikely. I'll just say that I hope he does, but he;ll come up a lil shy.

But i DO think he will shatter every team receiving record in the books.

[smoak]

The problem is that the whole passing game appears to be designed to get the ball in Moss' hands. Watch any game, when they have Moss in the slot and a CB lines up over him, they motion Cooley out to the End and the CB adjusts to him and the ball always goes towards Moss in that formation. I've seen them run this 15-20 times so far and it works just about every time. I doubt that he will finish with 123 yards per game, but 110 is probable.

Don't get me wrong Akh. I love the guy and hope he has a long and successful career with the Skins. I was worried he was another guy coming here to get paid, but I was wrong. I also notice that we are zeroing in on Moss and I've seen some plays where I can tell we're looking Moss all the way and it just seems like there is nothing the D can do about it. It is pretty amazing if you ask me.

I think his averages will come doen a bit, but we're talking about one heck of a season.

[smoak]

Nah i doubt it, but at the same time he has gone against some pretty good defenses and just shredded them. It's tough to say that he will because it is just so unlikely. I'll just say that I hope he does, but he;ll come up a lil shy.

But i DO think he will shatter every team receiving record in the books.

I don't see how he gets Monk's career records???

[IowaSkinsFan]

If Moss had 2 or 3 amazing games and 3-4 ordinary games, I would say that he couldn't maintain the pace. But he's had great game after great game. His worst game this year, he only had 87 yards. He can do it, but whether he will is dependant on Brunell and the offense as a whole.

One thing really working in his favor however is having a legitimate #2 on the other side in Patten. Patten is such a great route runner that if teams start double teaming Moss, Patten is sure to be roaming free somewhere. I think teams will truly have to pick their poision when deciding how they are going to cover those guys.

[Biggie]

One thing really working in his favor however is having a legitimate #2 on the other side in Patten. Patten is such a great route runner that if teams start double teaming Moss, Patten is sure to be roaming free somewhere. I think teams will truly have to pick their poision when deciding how they are going to cover those guys.

Exactly. Patten is good for at least 800 yards in a season, and I'm sure teams will keep that in mind with double-teams.

A cheap hit really worries me though.

[Death_Venom]

Let's just hope that Moss stays health & Patten/Cooley/Thrash continue to emerge within the offense. I think particularly Santana Moss will do well if Clinton Portis conitnues to do well. As the old saying goes "the run sets up the pass"................ ;)

[RedSkinBrit]

I think Moss can because our O as a whole has a much better balance this year with Cooley,Patten and CP,Betts.

[smoak]

One thing really working in his favor however is having a legitimate #2 on the other side in Patten. Patten is such a great route runner that if teams start double teaming Moss, Patten is sure to be roaming free somewhere. I think teams will truly have to pick their poision when deciding how they are going to cover those guys.

I love Patten, but he really does have to do a better job hanging onto the ball. He is going to get a chance to put up monster numbers as teams start over compensating for Moss and Patten has to make them pay.

[FanFromArizona]

I do believe that he can maintain this for a few reasons:

1. Opposing defenses pass rushing: We do not have many dominant Ds left on our schedule with shut down corners. Buccaneers will give us fits with their defense, Philly, and Dallas. That's four games out of our remaining schedule. As we saw in the Dallas game, Moss was MONEY, and this time we will be playing Dallas on our own turf. At worst he will have normal stats, the rest of the teams we face the teams [Giantsx2, Rams, Raiders, Cardinals, Chargers]are not known for their stellar pass defense.

2. He fits into the system, WANTS to be a contributor, and I think he will
WANT to play an entire season, he is having fun and he will want to stay healthy, he is probably focusing on maintaining his conditioning so that he won't suffer a bum injury that prevents him from attaining this goal.

[redwolf1218]

Santana is now ranked 2nd in the NFL, only 2 yards behind Steve Smith.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics

[smoak]

If we get more of the Clinton Portis that showed up on Sunday, there will not be as big of a need for Moss to get 150 yards a game. I'm sticking with "No".

[vabeach_skinsfan]

If we get more of the Clinton Portis that showed up on Sunday, there will not be as big of a need for Moss to get 150 yards a game. I'm sticking with "No".

If the offense starts to open up like it did against the number 1 defense, then we might not need to go to Santana all the time, which will directly effect his stats......but not his effectiveness and productivy out there on the field. If we don't go to him, his pressence out there still poses a threat. Now if we could maintain balance on offense and spread the ball around evenly, but Moss still happens to 150 yards a game then we would be unstoppable. Thats getting a little semi-unreasonable, but possible. But hey, I'll settle for a 79 yard performance from him.

[GWBlitzST]

He is going to blow up against the Raiders for 150+ without Charles Woodson in there.

[smoak]

He is going to blow up against the Raiders for 150+ without Charles Woodson in there.

I hope I am wrong, but I am beginning to think this will be a shoot out. We need Brunell, Moss, Portis, and Cooley to out duel Collins, the lesser Moss, Porter, and Jordan.

Can't wait!

[GWBlitzST]

I just traded Lamont Jordan for S. Moss and Julius Jones in my fantasy league! It sucks to have a Cowgirl back, but I also now can totally enjoy watching Jordan get shut down while Moss blows up!

[openallnight]

I hope I am wrong, but I am beginning to think this will be a shoot out. We need Brunell, Moss, Portis, and Cooley to out duel Collins, the lesser Moss, Porter, and Jordan.

Can't wait!

There won't be any shootout in our house.
We're only giving up 13 ppg @ home vs. 26 on the road.

[Syllable]

I hope I am wrong, but I am beginning to think this will be a shoot out. We need Brunell, Moss, Portis, and Cooley to out duel Collins, the lesser Moss, Porter, and Jordan.

Can't wait!

We have no more trust in our defense... how the times change.

[skins74]

I just traded Lamont Jordan for S. Moss and Julius Jones in my fantasy league! It sucks to have a Cowgirl back, but I also now can totally enjoy watching Jordan get shut down while Moss blows up!


Good Point!

[smoak]

I'll update this weekly in this thread, and for the record, I don't want to see Moss break Monk's record for catches in a season.

Santana Moss through 9 games:
53 catches 935 yards

Needed to break each record:
54 catches 503 yards

Pace needed to break the record:
7.71 catches 71.7 yards

[redwolf1218]

I'll update this weekly in this thread, and for the record, I don't want to see Moss break Monk's record for catches in a season.

Santana Moss through 9 games:
53 catches 935 yards

Needed to break each record:
54 catches 503 yards

Pace needed to break the record:
7.71 catches 71.7 yards

good info. i think he can maintain his pace, but to get pretty much the same number of catches (54) in these last few games as he got in the first 9 games would be pretty tough. averages usually involve ups and downs, and to "average" almost 8 catches per game would mean he'd probably have to have some 10 or 12 catch games, which is probably pretty far fetched.

it would not be a good sign either. it would probably mean we were being beaten pretty badly and playing catch-up against prevent defenses.

[IMALILTEAPOT]

moss already has almost as many yards coles had all of last year, and only in 9 games, and with 37 less catches

[PyroGenic]

no

[redwolf1218]

53 catches through 9 games would equal out to 94 catches through 16 games. that's awesome, but not too far fetched.

935 yards through 9 games would equal out to 1662 yards, that seems a little out there.

[CowboyKilla]

Yes.

[lefty420]

don't forget those stats include a couple games he did not play well or make a huge impact. bears game he had only 4 cathces. but he did have 94 yards. giants game he had 4 catches for 34 yards. so he has ups and downs and has still had a record breaking year. i gthink he will get 100 catches and break 1500 yards.

[skinswin]

I think i can speak for everyone when i say no one expected Moss to be this good for us. He is on pace to shatter every team record for WR's and i'm wondering if you think he can maintain the pace he's set.


In case you guys haven't noticed, there's been an APB put out on Santana Moss because he hasn't been seen in the endzone in three weeks.

[akhhorus]

In case you guys haven't noticed, there's been an APB put out on Santana Moss because he hasn't been seen in the endzone in three weeks.

Are you kidding me? After the season Moss has been having, you're complaining about him? What would make you happy, trading him back to the Jets for Coles?

[bgforever]

Simply Yes MOSS can finish at his current pace! - NY is colder, he played outside, he is used to adjusting to the ball in Giants stadium and that also means winter / tougher game adjustments, been to the playoffs.

[ph33rtheD]

Simply Yes MOSS can finish at his current pace! - NY is colder, he played outside, he is used to adjusting to the ball in Giants stadium and that also means winter / tougher game adjustments, been to the playoffs.

santana is from miami though. and i also think santana will break Monks yrd record but not catches, he is not the possetion type he can have only 4 catches but 100 yds