Bulk of Blame

[PennSkinsFan]

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I am nto adding the REFS folks, sorry. Redskisn did enough to beat themselves. Every team faces bad calls, good teams win.

[PennSkinsFan]

I am sticking with our crappy DEs that are leaving bad QBs too much time. All of us could find open receivers after 7 top 8 seconds of looking around. These guys are horrendous.

[Cruising270]

I know with 3 turnovers your not going to win games but c'mon defense!!! We kept giving up the deep ball and it was killing us! Also we had a serious problem getting any pressure on Sims even when Blitzing. We did beat ourselves because of Penalites and Turnovers but to loose a game when you score 35 points just kills me

[redskin_rich]

Gregg Williams gets my vote. His schemes were horrible yesterday. Chuckie was one step ahead of him all day long.

[Spence]

I voted Secondary as a Whole [aside from Shawn Springs], though the most accurate answer would be Secondary and Defensive Ends.

[tommahawk]

I'm sticking with Williams It wasn't a good day for him.
I hope Griffin can return this week he makes the whole line better when he is in there.
The same for Taylor I hope his return will fix our secondary ills.

[chrisbcbu]

I would vote for conservative playcalling. 3rd and 2 i believe and we cant get a 1st down. 1 first down and the game is ours. I would have gone for it on 4th and 1 as well. Our defense was sucking and i knew they were going to blow it, so i would have kept it out of their hands.

[Skinz4lyfe]

I went w/GW. Springs is the best corner we have. Why wasn't he on Galloway more often? Why was Prioleau playing FS? Clark is better in coverage than Prioleau and Bowen. Harris' play is getting worse by the week. Yesterday he looked like a Jimoh in Harris' uni. Why not start Rogers? He can't be any worse and he's supposed to be our future. Why doesn't our line stunt, spin, or do anything remotely creative to try to get to the QB? It looks like we're playing 4 DTs. Missing Sean Taylor shouldn't have mattered this much when their main threat was Joey Galloway. God I hope Taylor comes back this week because we're playing against Randy Moss and Jerry Porter. We'll get torched if we can't do any better than that.

[Ibleedburgundy]

I love the Gregg Williams defense but this was not his day.

[CarMike]

Walt Harris

[Biggie]

The secondary, but the line comes in a close second. Two players should not be that important in this scheme.

[DoGood]

I got trigger happy and picked Walt Harris because he had the "go-ahead TD" scored against him. But I would like to change it to the secondary as a whole.

[DoGood]

There sure are an awful lot of very legitimate options to choose from for this loss. So many things happened in exactly the wrong way.

[whistleandthumb]

I was split between the DE's and Secondary. Voted secondary because, even though we never got pressure on Simms, we still should have NEVER given up those big passing plays.

[smoak]

All wins and losses are TEAM wins and losses IMO. It isn't fair to EVER call out on unit or person IMO, but as fans you like to break down what happened. If I were on the team I would only be critical of my performance. As I am just a fan, I voted GW. It was his worst day as a Redskin IMO.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i went with walt hrris. i wouldve voted the whole secondary buy springs and clark played fine IMO.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I am sticking with our crappy DEs that are leaving bad QBs too much time. All of us could find open receivers after 7 top 8 seconds of looking around. These guys are horrendous.

As do I, which is what I have been saying all year.

[GolfFreak]

I chose the entire secondary, but I think both sides deserve equal shares.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

I had to blame the secondary. Either GW had more confidence in the secondary than entire football world did, or he was just blantantely nieve about their skills.

[Meatsnack]

I voted Pearsen Prioleau because he was the last line of defense in the secondary and Tampa got behind him all game long.

I could have just as easily voted O-line though. With 1.5 yards to get a first to kneel down on the clock and you choke? Not good.

[bwparker]

I can't/won't choose. The thing is we're all in this together and its all of us and we're in it together, every one. together. all of us. Its no one person's fault or one unit's fault, cause we're a team. And we're in it together. Win or lose. together....team...




...together. all of us. in this. together.


oh, and it starts with Gibbs and moves on down through everybody, together.

[bwparker]

PS. Together

[FanFromArizona]

Why are we looking to place blame? Sheesh.

The game is over, we are 5-4, and that's just it!

Time to move onto Oakland.

[Redskinmayhem]

Guys, I'm not going to single one unit out. this was a team loss. MB did his part to lose the game as well as played very well when called on to score points. Same thing with the D, we made some crucial stops but got burned when it counted. The team as a whole needs to play better. Everyone needs to be more consistent. Everyone needs to look at themselves and ask the guy in the mirror how they can improve. I don't believe in blaming it all on Walt Harris or Pierson Prioleu because someone on the offense did something to put those guys in position to be burned. Plus the refs had their hand in our loss as well.

[Redskin Scott]

I didn't vote because I think that until our team as a whole eliminates the stupid and costly bad habit of giving the ball away (to say nothing of committing dumb penalties), we can't really point fingers. Not yet, anyway...

[openallnight]

Lot of reasons we lost. But the most important reason we lost the game was our inability to convert on 3rd down w/ 2 min on the clock. Had we done a high % pass to Cooley or Sellars we can kill the clock. Game over.

Now for the good news. At least now Gibbs knows our D is not trust worthy and can not be counted on to seal the victory. The next time we need to hold a lead we will be passing on 3rd down.

[VTBob]

Secondary as a whole I suppose, but I voted for Walt Harris because I'm tired of him screwing up...every single game...all the time...


(yeah, I want him to leave haha)

[skinsfan1019]

Went with the defensive ends. You can't give a quaterback that much time, even if it is Chris Simms.

[nynate]

Had to go W/ GW because our D is looking more and more pedestrian as weeks go by. Teams have learned how to pick up our blitz packages, so we're not making up for not having a DE worth mentioning. We give up big plays regularly, and we lose because of them. Everyone on that list deserves some blame for yesterday, but GW's almighty defense, for what ever reasons, is getting beaten week after week lately. We won't make the play-offs if our D can't step it up, and that will be on GW for not addressing out biggest weakness from last year: our D-line. We can't win if we can't get pressure on the QB, and we can't win if Walt Harris is covering #1 WR's. GW should know that. Our defense should NEVER give up that many yards as quickly as that last drive yesterday. I was at the game, I remember looking around at the other Skins fans with 2:00 to go with no time outs feeling there was alomst no way we could lose.....

I'll never get the ring out of my ears from the way that place went NUTS on that last drive..... Our defense needs to take a SERIOUS look at it's self and decide if they want to be the reason we don't make the play-offs, or if they want to man up and be the reason we get there.....

[ShaggySkins]

I said Greg Williams. I think the defense just took 1 too many risks. Pretty much all game long TB was able to pick up our blitzes and hit big pass plays off of them. It would be one thing if he had Cornelius Griffin and Sean Taylor in the game but when you are missing 2 of your best defensive players I think you need to scale down the risk taking. They picked up our blitzes and the coverage wasn't good enough. We had a lot of injuries going into the game to key players and you have to do the best to cover up those holes, I think Greg Williams exposed those holes with some of his calls.

[X-Factor13]

I just KNOW that i should've put the whole secondary. But i put walt harris as my scapegoat. He cost us two touchdowns in which he was playing TERRIBLE football. I'm sorry, but i can't stand him as a Number 2.

[LATrueRedskin]

Walt Harris. He's just no good right now.

[Bill Malinchak]

To me, it's a lack of pass rush. Even when blitzing the Skins can't even get close to the QB. Thus the scorching of the secondary and the lack of INT's. I think the other teams have wised up to the defensive scheme. They are keeping people in to pass protect and the QB has all day to pick apart the secondary. Also, since we don't even hurry the QB there are less hurried throws that tend to get picked off.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

I hate to single anyone out, but to be fair to the people that played well on D I guess I'm going to have to. The entire secondary has problems, and without Sean Taylor back there we pose no threat to the offenses that want to go deep. And constantly sending Shawn Sprigs on blitz when we need him out there covering there best receivers IMO was not good. I don't have the authority to question GW, so I won't. I'll just assume that GW had faith in Walt Harris (even tough he blumped against the eagles) to play some D and he just let us down. Walt Harris you suck eggs.

[RedskinsUnited]

To me its a combination of the WRs lack of concentration on those 2 INTs, which could have been avoided IMO, and the horrible defensive schemes which allowed the Bucs to comeback time and time again.

[DoGood]

To me its a combination of the WRs lack of concentration on those 2 INTs, which could have been avoided IMO, and the horrible defensive schemes which allowed the Bucs to comeback time and time again.

If David Patten had caught the ball with his hands like Santana Moss does on EVERY occasion, we would not be having this conversation. Chest pads aren't very good at making catches. During the blown up screen to Santana and subsequent interception, maybe Mark should have done something else with the ball when he saw that that screen was sniffed out by the Bucs. I wouldn't be surprised if I went back to watch that play if someone had a hand on Santana either.

[CowboyKilla]

Have to put it on the D as a whole.

[Paintedbird]

I would vote for conservative playcalling. 3rd and 2 i believe and we cant get a 1st down. 1 first down and the game is ours. I would have gone for it on 4th and 1 as well. Our defense was sucking and i knew they were going to blow it, so i would have kept it out of their hands.

I couldn't agree with you more if our heads were attached. That play calling of Gibb's on that series made me mader than all of the game's other stupidies put together. When we had 3rd and 2, I said to myself, "If Gibbs sends Portis up the middle we lose this game, no doubt."
Who the hell didn't know we couldn't stop them from scoring again? Had Gibbs not been watching our pathetic D all game. Did he expect 2 miracles is a row? What the hell did he expect. For the love of God, he couldn't have thought Portis was going to get 2 yards up the middle against a stacked defense, did he? Was he insane?
Off tackle, a sweep. A bootleg to Cooley. About any damn thing we had been running was working except Portis up the middle against a stacked defense.
I think Gibbs must have had some sort of mental slip, some sort of fissure open up in the time center of his brain to where Riggo was running over everybody from short yardage.
Holy God. Gruden doesn't even try to run his brute in from the two on the extra point-- that's how tough it is...and Gibbs sends Portis.
Ball game. Big surprise.

[Paintedbird]

I can't/won't choose. The thing is we're all in this together and its all of us and we're in it together, every one. together. all of us. Its no one person's fault or one unit's fault, cause we're a team. And we're in it together. Win or lose. together....team...




...together. all of us. in this. together.


oh, and it starts with Gibbs and moves on down through everybody, together.

Speak for yourself.

[bwparker]

Speak for yourself.
Huh? You know I was making a joke about what Gibbs says after EVERY game in his press conferences, right? Or are you joking too? I'm confused:confused:

[BurgundyNGold]

I said GW. It's been his decision to use mostly substandard DL, so the buck stops with him on that.

BTW, it's not fair to slam the secondary for not being able to cover for 2 or more seconds longer than nearly any other NFL unit has to. Our front 4 generates ZERO pressure when Griffin isn't in there and very little when he is. Opposing QBs have all sorts of time to find 3rd and 4th receivers, and I can't fault the secondary for that.

[BIGSEF3]

I said Greg Williams. Although my vote goes half to Joe Gibbs too. The key to our defensive woes lies in the defense not working together as a cohesive unit, as it did last year. What's the most noteable difference this year with our defense? We don't have Antonio Pierce. He was a bigger reason to the success of last years defense than the coaching staff realized. You can't say Marshall hasn't given 110 percent, and I love him for that, but he's no Pierce. Yes, New York gave him a huge contract, but we could have, and should have, found a way to keep him.

[hail2skins]

I said Greg Williams. Although my vote goes half to Joe Gibbs too. The key to our defensive woes lies in the defense not working together as a cohesive unit, as it did last year. What's the most noteable difference this year with our defense? We don't have Antonio Pierce. He was a bigger reason to the success of last years defense than the coaching staff realized. You can't say Marshall hasn't given 110 percent, and I love him for that, but he's no Pierce. Yes, New York gave him a huge contract, but we could have, and should have, found a way to keep him.So Pierce would have been covering all the receivers who caught passes for Tampa. I think not.

[openallnight]

I said Greg Williams. Although my vote goes half to Joe Gibbs too. The key to our defensive woes lies in the defense not working together as a cohesive unit, as it did last year. What's the most noteable difference this year with our defense? We don't have Antonio Pierce. He was a bigger reason to the success of last years defense than the coaching staff realized. You can't say Marshall hasn't given 110 percent, and I love him for that, but he's no Pierce. Yes, New York gave him a huge contract, but we could have, and should have, found a way to keep him.
I think we missed Smoot Sunday more than we missed Pierce.

[GoDannyBoy]

I went with Williams because more conservative play calling would have resulted in less points.

But Walt sucXed in the 4th quarter and Springs is rushing?

[MONK_in_HOF]

I went with secondary as a whole. But especially Priouleau and Harris. Also it would be nice if we could get anything resembling a pass rush. We made a subpar O line look great in pass protection.

[Rich77]

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I am nto adding the REFS folks, sorry. Redskisn did enough to beat themselves. Every team faces bad calls, good teams win.

I appreciate that. We have to live life on life's terms which is not always fair.

[skins111111]

I voted Secondary as a Whole [aside from Shawn Springs], though the most accurate answer would be Secondary and Defensive Ends.
voted secondary but this answer better reflects my thoughts

[helimech24]

I went with GW on this one guys because of one thing. When the redskins went to zone coverage, Simms struggled against the seconday. When the Skins blitzed and the corners were one-on-one, Simms threw the ball down field for long gains. The TB offensive line played well and picked up the blitzes very well, and I don't understand why GW didn't adjust to just play zone. The last drive was the biggest disappointment to me. There was no reason to blitz at that point, but they did and the corners got burnt often.

[BurgundyNGold]

I went with GW on this one guys because of one thing. When the redskins went to zone coverage, Simms struggled against the seconday. When the Skins blitzed and the corners were one-on-one, Simms threw the ball down field for long gains. The TB offensive line played well and picked up the blitzes very well, and I don't understand why GW didn't adjust to just play zone. The last drive was the biggest disappointment to me. There was no reason to blitz at that point, but they did and the corners got burnt often.
Agreed. BTW, this is the 2nd week in a row that I've watched Lemar Marshall miserably try to cover a WR on a go down the deep middle. This is HUGE mismatch. Once might be a mistake, but twice is disconcerting.

[helimech24]

Agreed. BTW, this is the 2nd week in a row that I've watched Lemar Marshall miserably try to cover a WR on a go down the deep middle. This is HUGE mismatch. Once might be a mistake, but twice is disconcerting.

I saw that too, I don't know why there wasn't anyone over the top to help Lemar. The Defense really struggled with Taylor out of the secondary too. He just brings that hard nose presence and a knack for being around the ball.:cry:

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Walt Harris should have been given his walking papers on monday. This is not the first game that he has lost for us. This guy is a nickel back not a starter.

[bgforever]

I saw that too, I don't know why there wasn't anyone over the top to help Lemar. The Defense really struggled with Taylor out of the secondary too. He just brings that hard nose presence and a knack for being around the ball.:cry:

Some have better motors in their behind than others, some lack his speed and attitude about not losing. Accepting to lose a battle and make an excuse that a receiver got lucky when the film shows a 9 yr vet out of position both times, doesn't lie.

However, its another unfortunate team loss. I am sure the roster will get the tweaking it needs when the time comes. Oakland beckons, and I am curious about the TEAM response, GW's adjustment and how Norval attacks the safeties deep with Moss and Porter and tries to suck us in with play action fakes to Jordan. I am done with talking about Tampa Bay I believe :)

[colkurtz]

1. We have absolutely no pass rush. Last year we had a DL that could stop the run and occupy blockers allowing the blitz to penetrate. Now they can do neither. No natural pass rush and the blitzes being covered is exposing problems in the secondary.

2. Lemar Marshall is not as good as Antonio Pierce. Wish we had kept Pierce. Look how the Giants defense has improved.

3. Some of the FAs that the coaches brought in - Daniels, Pieleau, Holdman, Harris are past their prime. All are downgrades and hurting the team.

4. I think the "no-name" defensive system got a little too full of itself. You still need quality players at many of the positions.

5. Drafting and finding good quality DE's will be the off-seasons #1 priority.

[bwparker]

5. Drafting and finding good quality DE's will be the off-seasons #1 priority.

We've been saying this for years, but some how it never ACTUALLY is a priority in the offseason. We shall see.

[halter91]

we gave up too many pass plays, but then again, no pressure on the QB, gave Simms all day to get rid of the ball. I wouldn't blame it on one person or group. We win as a team and lose as a team. :banghead:

[redwolf1218]

i've been reading this one, and it's a tough question.

as a corner it's one thing to have speed and another thing to have athletic ability along with that speed. i dont how many times i saw D. Green leap, twist and knock a ball away. same for Shawn Springs. same for Sean Taylor in his short career thus far. Walt Harris though, while he does appear to be fast, and he's there on the guy...he makes no play on the ball. some guy named Shepherd burned him. i never heard of that guy and i think it was his first NFL touchdown. i see how they could have thought that an aggressive, blitzing scheme could work with a veteran like Walt Harris on that guy, but he let us down. so he gets my vote since i cant vote for the refs.

[Death_Venom]

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I am not adding the REFS folks, sorry. Redskins did enough to beat themselves. Every team faces bad calls, good teams win.

SORRY but I seen enuff bad calls over several games (not counting the Skins game) this season to see that the REFEREES having continously making bad calls and have been EXTREMELY inconsistent in administering penalties.

SO-will I excuse the REFS? NO WAY!!!! The NFL continues to ignore one of the most cancerous problems of this league and I HOPE they will address this problem. MY POINT: REFS can make or break ANY GAME (regardless of how good or bad the teams are).

Our DEFENSIVE ENDS have been absolutely pathetic this season and we SERIOUSLY need to address this unit in the off-season.

[redwolf1218]

SORRY but I seen enuff bad calls over several games (not counting the Skins game) this season to see that the REFEREES having continously making bad calls and have been EXTREMELY inconsistent in administering penalties.

SO-will I excuse the REFS? NO WAY!!!! The NFL continues to ignore one of the most cancerous problems of this league and I HOPE they will address this problem. MY POINT: REFS can make or break ANY GAME (regardless of how good or bad the teams are).

Our DEFENSIVE ENDS have been absolutely pathetic this season and we SERIOUSLY need to address this unit in the off-season.
it is getting pretty bad when they can review the play, still ignore the facts, and anyone who says so gets fined.

[Death_Venom]

My POINT EXACTLY............:devil2:

[thetrueyoung1]

we need to go look for pass rushing DE's and sign them, find someway to get pressure on the qb.

[redwolf1218]

we need to go look for pass rushing DE's and sign them, find someway to get pressure on the qb.
that's been the prevailing theme on here for a while now, and probably it's been lacking for years. a young guy could have learned a lot from the veterans we've had in here. i thought Lavar was going to be the answer, but i guess not.

[OCSKINSFAN]

SORRY but I seen enuff bad calls over several games (not counting the Skins game) this season to see that the REFEREES having continously making bad calls and have been EXTREMELY inconsistent in administering penalties.

SO-will I excuse the REFS? NO WAY!!!! The NFL continues to ignore one of the most cancerous problems of this league and I HOPE they will address this problem. MY POINT: REFS can make or break ANY GAME (regardless of how good or bad the teams are).

Our DEFENSIVE ENDS have been absolutely pathetic this season and we SERIOUSLY need to address this unit in the off-season.

I agree with both of the above points. With the games so close, one or more bad calls too often decides the outcome. I don't believe this is what the League wants. I sure don't. I've heard it said that the bad calls even out. When is that going to work for the Redskins, who have lost a number of games because of bad calls. Losing such games will most likely decide the entire season - playoffs, homefield, confidence, momentum, etc.

[Redskin Scott]

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I am nto adding the REFS folks, sorry. Redskisn did enough to beat themselves. Every team faces bad calls, good teams win.

Agreed. I've had more than enough fan crying about how "the refs screwed us." Man, people, get over it and face reality. Our team doesn't deserve respect because it shoots itself in the behind all the time with STUPID mistakes and lack of sound execution on a consistent basis. We're 5-5 and going nowhere for many solid reasons.

The overly conservative and eminently predictable play-calling is killing us, too.