Redskins/Native American battle continues

[Skinzaholic]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0723/1584779.html

[NamVet4]

News
article on original ruling (http://earthrunner.com/4winds/trademarks.html)

Glossary of Terms for Trademark (http://www.levinhawes.com/1/trademark.htm)

History of the Law effecting Trademarks (https://www.inta.org/about/lanham.html)

Your comments?

[jporterweb]

I guess one thing will come out of it if we lose. Cheap Redskins Merchandise. I'm just curious though. How many people here have Native American Background? If you do, how do you personally feel about the name and logo.

[Green-Is-Good]

i am not Native American, but i think that a team named after a certain tribe is okay. like the Seminoles. but the Redskins and Indians are racist names. maybe if i were Native American, i would think differently. they have suffered so much, i think a team's name is the least of their worries.

[bfauble83]

I was born in the United States of America, so I am a Native American :wacky:...I'm not of Indian heritage (not enough worth mentioning anyway) The best argument is the majority of Indians had no problems with the name...its not disrespectful...I'll admit that Chief Wahoo is disrespectful and I can see where someone would take that as a negative, but the Redskin logo does not do anything IMO that should offend anyone.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i cant wait til this is over. according to my mom, my family does have some native american blood in it , but its not like i've been in touch with that side of the family. i dont see the problem here. its not like the organization is making fun of the logo. i do see it as a tribute and not a mockery.

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by LadyNRedskinsfan
i do see it as a tribute and not a mockery.

I do too. Its pretty sad, but there are not that many icons or things in American society that publically brings attention to the Native American nation. Unless you visit a Native American reservation or you visit a Navtive American-run casino (like Foxwoods) there are few instances in which Native Americans are publicized or given the respect they deserve.

Ironically, SPORTS teams such as the Washington Redskins, Cleveland Indians, Kansas City Chief, Florida Seminoles are really the last way the public can identify with the greatness of the Native American history.

None of these teams...or their fans think of their teamname or mascot as degrading. In fact, I believe many of these team's fan bases have gained a newfound respect for the Native Americans after following their teams religously over the years.

[jporterweb]

The use of Native Americans as mascots is a show of respect to the great warriors they once were. I mean when's the last time you saw a football team named the frenchmen or the wimps? You don't because your mascot is a show of power. Your team mascot is supposed to be your attitude. In other words the Redskins is the heart of a warrior, I think it's a great thing. I mean I don't have any native american in me, but I respect what our Indian stands for.


One more thing that bugs the crap out of me, and this next excerpt is going to contain examples of terms that can bec considered racist, so if you are offended by seeing these words, stop reading. Anyways, I am sick of people who don't have a problem calling themselves these names. I've seen Native Americans that call themselves Redskins and Injuns and it's wrong for someone who isn't Native American to call them that. Blacks use the term nigger all the time(I know they say nigga, but it's the same damn thing). However, it's wrong for a white man to call them this. I'm sorry, but if it's such a defamatory term, why do they use it? The truth is, it's just a thing to fight people over. To try to get something you don't deserve. Alright, I'm gonna step off the soapbox now...you can go back on with your normal lives.

[Highlander]

I would like to think the name redskins was chosen for this team as a show of respect for the native american indians. Cunning warriors with a lot of heart. I mean we took away their land....it's the least you guys could have done. :D

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by bfauble83
.... but the Redskin logo does not do anything IMO that should offend anyone.

i have no problems with the logo, just the name. Afro-Americans would probably get offended if there was a team called the "Newark N***ers". the Redskins team name is no different.

[bfauble83]

Originally posted by Green_is_Good
i have no problems with the logo, just the name. Afro-Americans would probably get offended if there was a team called the "Newark N***ers". the Redskins team name is no different.


I think that would be a totally different situation...

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by bfauble83
I think that would be a totally different situation...

how is it any different?

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by jporterweb
Blacks use the term nigger all the time(I know they say nigga, but it's the same damn thing). However, it's wrong for a white man to call them this. I'm sorry, but if it's such a defamatory term, why do they use it? The truth is, it's just a thing to fight people over. To try to get something you don't deserve.

What in the world are you talking about?

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
What in the world are you talking about?

Gotta admit, i am perplexed. Here os my feeling and i will only state it once, not like any of you care. The term Redskins IS derogatory. BUT, the way the Redskins and Washington ties to portray it, i think is more honor, bravery, and lifting up the great indian warriors than anything.

The head redskin logo, now i do believe that can go, lets go back to the arrow. Lets show respect to a great people!

Jporter, not sure where you coming from or goingwith that. Be careful.

[Spearfeather]

First of all, let me say that I like the name and I would like to see it stay....this is the name that I grew up with and I hope they don't change it...but there are many things that have to be taken into account. There are Pro's and Con's. One thing is the origin of the word...how did it come about? In the Redskins official 2002 yearbook there is a small column stating that the word came from the fact that the Indians of North America would often paint their faces Red before going into battle, the Red color coming from berries and Ochre root that was readily available to them. I believe there is some truth to this. Also, imagine yourself an uneducated Colonist of the time. The only people you saw were White people or people with " White " skin and sometimes Black people or people with " Black " skin. They were terms used to identify. All of the sudden you see in the distance a group of people you had never seen before, with a reddish tint to their skin or their faces painted Red. You would probobly call them Redskins, the same way people call each other " White " or " Black " ( you are basiclly calling them " White " skin and " Black " skin) .....not necessarilly a derogotory term, but a term used to quickly identify them.
I recently read an article on another website about a group of Native Americans protesting a high schools mascot name of Redskins. The reporter was speaking with the Chief of a local tribe who stated that as the West was being settled, there were shops set up with signs saying " Redskins bought and sold here " and what it was refering to was the souvenirs that were being sold that were actually made from the skin of Indians. In this context the name is clearly a bad thing.
I also think that you have to take into account the opinion of the actual people themselves. In a Sports Illustrated article about a year ago, Native Americans were polled on their feelings about the name. Of those living on a Reservation the vote was close to 50%, of those not living on a Reservation, 75% said they were not bothered by the name.
I think part of the problem is, that the " leaders " of these groups who supposedly represent the " people " are not always reflecting the feelings of the people they are supposed to represent but are merely looking for headlines and name recognition.
If the name is changed ...will it matter? As for me I have never once heard anyone refer to someone as a " Redskin ". The only time I hear it is when someone is talking about the football team. The term has for the most part been eliminated in society, ( much like the people themselves, sadly ).
I do not think that the Redskins organization has " issues " about Native Americans, and if they did, why would you put a picture of one on the side of the Helmet?

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by Spearfeather
First of all, let me say that I like the name and I would like to see it stay....this is the name that I grew up with and I hope they don't change it...but there are many things that have to be taken into account. There are Pro's and Con's. One thing is the origin of the word...how did it come about? In the Redskins official 2002 yearbook there is a small column stating that the word came from the fact that the Indians of North America would often paint their faces Red before going into battle, the Red color coming from berries and Ochre root that was readily available to them. I believe there is some truth to this. Also, imagine yourself an uneducated Colonist of the time. The only people you saw were White people or people with " White " skin and sometimes Black people or people with " Black " skin. They were terms used to identify. All of the sudden you see in the distance a group of people you had never seen before, with a reddish tint to their skin or their faces painted Red. You would probobly call them Redskins, the same way people call each other " White " or " Black " ( you are basiclly calling them " White " skin and " Black " skin) .....not necessarilly a derogotory term, but a term used to quickly identify them.
I recently read an article on another website about a group of Native Americans protesting a high schools mascot name of Redskins. The reporter was speaking with the Chief of a local tribe who stated that as the West was being settled, there were shops set up with signs saying " Redskins bought and sold here " and what it was refering to was the souvenirs that were being sold that were actually made from the skin of Indians. In this context the name is clearly a bad thing.
I also think that you have to take into account the opinion of the actual people themselves. In a Sports Illustrated article about a year ago, Native Americans were polled on their feelings about the name. Of those living on a Reservation the vote was close to 50%, of those not living on a Reservation, 75% said they were not bothered by the name.
I think part of the problem is, that the " leaders " of these groups who supposedly represent the " people " are not always reflecting the feelings of the people they are supposed to represent but are merely looking for headlines and name recognition.
If the name is changed ...will it matter? As for me I have never once heard anyone refer to someone as a " Redskin ". The only time I hear it is when someone is talking about the football team. The term has for the most part been eliminated in society, ( much like the people themselves, sadly ).
I do not think that the Redskins organization has " issues " about Native Americans, and if they did, why would you put a picture of one on the side of the Helmet?

i'm not so sure. i don't think that "Blackskins" would be any better.

[Spearfeather]

Originally posted by Green is Good
i'm not so sure. i don't think that "Blackskins" would be any better.

What?:confused:

[jporterweb]

Where I am going with what I said was this. Listen to Snoop Dogg, Listen to all the rappers. What are they always saying? Ni**a all the time. It's in half of what they say. Then they are upset when someone not black says What's up my ni**a? I am saying that people in this country hold double standards and they want to sue for their double standards. I would also like to appologize if I was mis-understood.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by jporterweb
Where I am going with what I said was this. Listen to Snoop Dogg, Listen to all the rappers. What are they always saying? Ni**a all the time. It's in half of what they say. Then they are upset when someone not black says What's up my ni**a? I am saying that people in this country hold double standards and they want to sue for their double standards. I would also like to appologize if I was mis-understood.

I fail to understand what that has to do with the battle over the Redskin name. Also, just because some rappers say that in their songs does not mean that all black people throughout everyday society walk around shouting the term to one another with joy and pride. It is a derogatory term, period. Technically, if going by the dictionary term, it doesn't pertain only to black people. The term has been used to diss whites also.

Lastly, just because some walk around saying Redskins with pride doesn't mean that they all feel the same way, just as it can be said that not all Native Americans are offended by the term. What really baffles me is your statement about wanting to fight and sue over terms that people don't care for. You make it seem as though blacks are ready to throw fist and bring about litigation over a term that they seemingly bait others into feeling they are cool with them using towards them. Always remember that everyone that you see on TV upront and personal don't always speak for the masses.

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by Spearfeather
What?:confused:

you said that caucasion(sorry, bad speller) people are white, afro-americans are black, american indians are red. we use those terms when we talk, but they are not normally used on a live tv broadcast. when hank aaron hit his 500th homer, i think, the comentator said that "for the first time, a black man has hit 500 home runs." i'm not sure if it was 500 dingers, but it was some milestone. times have changed, though. most people would be surprised if someone said that today.

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
I fail to understand what that has to do with the battle over the Redskin name. Also, just because some rappers say that in their songs does not mean that all black people throughout everyday society walk around shouting the term to one another with joy and pride. It is a derogatory term, period. Technically, if going by the dictionary term, it doesn't pertain only to black people. The term has been used to diss whites also.

Lastly, just because some walk around saying Redskins with pride doesn't mean that they all feel the same way, just as it can be said that not all Native Americans are offended by the term. What really baffles me is your statement about wanting to fight and sue over terms that people don't care for. You make it seem as though blacks are ready to throw fist and bring about litigation over a term that they seemingly bait others into feeling they are cool with them using towards them. Always remember that everyone that you see on TV upront and personal don't always speak for the masses.

OK, I know that not everyone I see on TV is the general public. I also know what I hear in the general public and it's the same thing a lot of times. That was a side point in the original message anyways. But it was also that point that it seems to be ok for people to call themselves whatever amongst themselves, but not for others to use those words even when it is not in a derogatory format.

[Spearfeather]

No that's not what I said...I said that there is a simularity to calling African Americans " Black ", Caucasians " White " and Native Americans " Red " . In other words, you are identifying them by the color of their skin. My words were:

...... people call each other " White " or " Black " ( you are basiclly calling them " White " skin and " Black " skin) .

My point is that almost any term can be used in a derogatory manner, and in the quote above, I was making a referance to the possible origin of the term " Redskin ".

[Redbeard]

Ah, is this were everyone pretends to be open minded by repeating the same old arguments. It's so lame, people will never admit they aren't right.

I will say this... anyone who compares "the Redskins" to "the N-words" is living in a their own little self-created, PC-wet dream were they pretend to save the world in Don Quiote style.

They're simply not worth the oxygen it takes to speak to them.

Back your convictions by not supporting the team not by harassing fans. I consider it both harassment & slander.

Some Redskin chatrooms have an agreement you sign upon entering, not to make the chatroom a platform for politicos. And enforce it I might add - maybe hailredskins.com should do the same.

[AGibbsGirl]

Some Redskin chatrooms have an agreement you sign upon entering, not to make the chatroom a platform for politicos. And enforce it I might add - maybe hailredskins.com should do the same.


I agree with Redbeard, this sort of thing turns me off.
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[rskinsfan10]

Shying away from topics is not what was envisioned when this board was created, and it's not something that the admins feel is an approach that needs to be taken now.

If you aren't that comfortable with political/racial/moral debates, please simply just avoid them and stick to the sports related threads. We pledge as the owners/admins to not allow these topics to interfere with your enjoyment of the rest of the forum.

[jporterweb]

Hey rskins. I love being able to speak opinions on this stuff, but maybe you guys should consider a political board seperate from the rest of the boards. That way no one will accidentally stumble upon it.

[bfauble83]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Shying away from topics is not what was envisioned when this board was created, and it's not something that the admins feel is an approach that needs to be taken now.

If you aren't that comfortable with political/racial/moral debates, please simply just avoid them and stick to the sports related threads. We pledge as the owners/admins to not allow these topics to interfere with your enjoyment of the rest of the forum.


I agree with that decision...I think we SHOULD all be mature enough to have political conversations without abusing people.

[Spearfeather]

Originally posted by jporterweb
Hey rskins. I love being able to speak opinions on this stuff, but maybe you guys should consider a political board seperate from the rest of the boards. That way no one will accidentally stumble upon it.

Nobody accidentally stumbled upon this thread.

[Redbeard]

Well I notice the conversation is taking place in the "Cherokee Tribe Forum - for football", so the politicos are already fudging. Why? For greater exposure - no different than activist hand-cuffing themselves to the whitehouse fence.

I personally would rather forgo talking about it, with politicos & "-isms" POSING AS FANS. Especially since their goal is to disrupt not enjoy input from others (what the chat should REALLY be about)

[NamVet4]

Originally posted by Redbeard
Well I notice the conversation is taking place in the "Cherokee Tribe Forum - for football", so the politicos are already fudging. Why? For greater exposure - no different than activist hand-cuffing themselves to the whitehouse fence.

I personally would rather forgo talking about it, with politicos & "-isms" POSING AS FANS. Especially since their goal is to disrupt not enjoy input from others (what the chat should REALLY be about)

With all due respect, this is the legend for this forum:
Your #1 Redskins Fan Forum, Come on in and join the TRIBE! All REDSKINS, all the TIME!

And let me say very directly and upfront:
I am a fan of the Washington Redskins of the National Football League and it is in this forum that I enjoy reading, and sometimes commenting, about the Team and everything associated with the Team! - including all the Fans!

Yes, this is a sensitive issue and as long as everyone here treats the issue and all who comment on it in the proper manner there should be no reason for the admins to terminate the thread.
And if anyone does not wish to participate, so be it; I will look forward to your participation in the multitude of other threads in all the forums.


My 2 cents

[Redbeard]

comparing "the Redskins" to the "N-words"

does not qualify as "proper", "mature" or "respect" or "being sensitive"

It qualifies as the clutter of garbage minds.

[jporterweb]

As for people accidentally stumbling onto this thread, I realize that, I was saying that sarcastically. As for the comparing of terms, I think that it can have a lot to do with each other depending on the arguement. You can say that calling an Indian a Redskin in a derogatory manner is not he same as someone being called a Ni**er in a derogatory manner. So to show the comparisons between the two(because there can be) is not necessarily "the clutter of garbage minds" as you put it. And I bold necessarily because some it is "the clutter of garbage minds"

[Redbeard]

Qualify & condition if you must. That's a lot to hide behind one "necessarily".

My statement require no such qualifying & conditioning.

Comparing "The Redskins" to "The N-words" is the clutter of a garbage mind.

Better arguements require less explaination (maybe I'll make it my signature)

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by Redbeard
Well I notice the conversation is taking place in the "Cherokee Tribe Forum - for football", so the politicos are already fudging. Why? For greater exposure - no different than activist hand-cuffing themselves to the whitehouse fence.

I personally would rather forgo talking about it, with politicos & "-isms" POSING AS FANS. Especially since their goal is to disrupt not enjoy input from others (what the chat should REALLY be about)

If you look a little closer, nowhere in the Cherokee Tribe's description does it say "for football". All Redskins, All the Time is it's motto, so there is no fudging as you say.

For the record, the teams' name is the only non-football debate that occurs in the Cherokee Forum, and it is where it belongs. The other political/moral debates have taken place within the Apache Off Topic Forum, where they belong.

I understand and respect those that may shy away from such topics, and as I said before we will not allow such debates to filter into the general football/sports talk here. However, if you stumble upon a topic in the Cherokee that blatantly lets you know that the discussion is about the team name, just side step it and move on if you are turned off by it. I think that is a fair compromise.

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
If you look a little closer, nowhere in the Cherokee Tribe's description does it say "for football". All Redskins, All the Time is it's motto, so there is no fudging as you say.

For the record, the teams' name is the only non-football debate that occurs in the Cherokee Forum, and it is where it belongs. The other political/moral debates have taken place within the Apache Off Topic Forum, where they belong.

I understand and respect those that may shy away from such topics, and as I said before we will not allow such debates to filter into the general football/sports talk here. However, if you stumble upon a topic in the Cherokee that blatantly lets you know that the discussion is about the team name, just side step it and move on if you are turned off by it. I think that is a fair compromise.

Thank You!!!

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by Redbeard
Qualify & condition if you must. That's a lot to hide behind one "necessarily".

My statement require no such qualifying & conditioning.

Comparing "The Redskins" to "The N-words" is the clutter of a garbage mind.

Better arguements require less explaination (maybe I'll make it my signature)

See this is what is screwed up. You take what a few people may say, and turn it into the majority of people who may have a good arguement, and a good way to compare the too. It is ignorant to say "Comparing "The Redskins" to "The N-words" is the clutter of a garbage mind. " Because it is not the case. What you are saying is, that no one can compare the two. That they have nothing to do with each other. Well if that's your opinion fine, but that is not neccesarily the opinion of all others. If you think they have nothing to do with each other, then don't say they do. I personally believe that are a lot of similarities in how the words have been used in the past and how they are used today. Similarities that are educated, not garbage. And as for your statement that Better arguements require less explanation, that is a load of BS. That best arguement requires thorough explanation. To say what you said is so utterly broad, that it makes it an invalid arguement. If you can explain your arguement, then it is worthless.

[Redbeard]

Maybe you should redifine "Redskins fan" as someone who actually likes the name. :eek:

Comparing "The Redskins" to the "The N-words" is clearly in the "off-topic" catagory. Fudge that with as many paragraphs as you like, it stands.


**Better arguments require less explanation**
The guilty offer more explanation as well

[jporterweb]

If it is about the Redskins and has legitmitacy, then it belongs here. In the REDSKINS category. As was said before, if you don't like it, don't open this thread. As for the redefine comment, I don't know what you are getting at with that, because well it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

[Redbeard]

Originally posted by jporterweb
As for the redefine comment, I don't know what you are getting at with that, because well it has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

Clearly I am speaking above you. But at least your denials are getting shorter.


**Better arguments require less explanation**

[AGibbsGirl]

I want to apologize here guys.

I only meant to say ("This sort of thing turns me off") that when a topic breaks down, I get turned off by what usually follows.

I was on a chat site for a while where the Europeans would get very brutal with their attacks on the Americans even if we were just discussing the weather. I left the site 'cause it wasn't worth the ill feelings.

I think the people here are more mature then that.

I would hope that we could try to keep to the topic however, perhaps involve a few more stats or direct quotes from Native Americans, that sort of thing...

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by Redbeard
Clearly I am speaking above you. But at least your denials are getting shorter.


**Better arguments require less explanation**

Wow...big words. You know I don't remember ever attacking your intelligence, who the hell are you to attack mine? "Maybe you should redifine "Redskins fan" as someone who actually likes the name. " Alright well that has nothing to do with the discussion we are having. The discussion we have been having is on how you think people who would compare "Redskins" and the "N-words" are garbage minds and that is just clutter of their minds. As for your comment, I love the name Redskins, it is more then just the history of this team. The Redskins and the Indian Chief logo are a way to commemorate a proud people. I mean look at the logo itself. As for comparision of those words, they can both be used as vulgar terms towards a group of people, but then they can both be used as a term of respect. It depends on context....so please explain to me how that explanation is "clutter of a garbage mind" It is an explanation of another instance when a word can have two meanings. Do I need to explain those meanings? I would hope not, but if you would like me to...I can do that later.

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by AGibbsGirl
I want to apologize here guys.

I only meant to say ("This sort of thing turns me off") that when a topic breaks down, I get turned off by what usually follows.

I was on a chat site for a while where the Europeans would get very brutal with their attacks on the Americans even if we were just discussing the weather. I left the site 'cause it wasn't worth the ill feelings.

I think the people here are more mature then that.

I would hope that we could try to keep to the topic however, perhaps involve a few more stats or direct quotes from Native Americans, that sort of thing...

It isn't a wrestling site is it? I am on this wrestling message board checkin around and thats all they do is slam Americans.

[AGibbsGirl]

Originally posted by jporterweb
It isn't a wrestling site is it? I am on this wrestling message board checkin around and thats all they do is slam Americans.


Naa...It was a Scottish website, the Scottish, British, French and Canadians on the board thought that Americans were worse then...er...crap.

Who needs that?http://burns.thefinaldimension.org/otn/confused/shrug03.gif

[Redbeard]

As a redskin fan I just go to hailredskins to get slamed as a raciest.

I think we should discuss if hailredskins is raciest....the hail could be sarcastic (and lets make everyone account for how anything can be said ever)

[Redbeard]

Originally posted by jporterweb
Wow...big words. You know I don't remember ever attacking your intelligence, who the hell are you to attack mine? "Maybe you should redifine "Redskins fan" as someone who actually likes the name. " Alright well that has nothing to do with the discussion we are having. The discussion we have been having is on how you think people who would compare "Redskins" and the "N-words" are garbage minds and that is just clutter of their minds. As for your comment, I love the name Redskins, it is more then just the history of this team. The Redskins and the Indian Chief logo are a way to commemorate a proud people. I mean look at the logo itself. As for comparision of those words, they can both be used as vulgar terms towards a group of people, but then they can both be used as a term of respect. It depends on context....so please explain to me how that explanation is "clutter of a garbage mind" It is an explanation of another instance when a word can have two meanings. Do I need to explain those meanings? I would hope not, but if you would like me to...I can do that later.


explain, explain, explain, explain, explain, explain, explain, explain what your saying REALLY means....blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

oh and I forgot...blah.

[rskinsfan10]

AGG, no need to apologize. Your opinion matters here, and I wasn't trying to slam you for wanting to avoid such topics. If I came across that way, then I myself offer my apologies to you ma'am...

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by Redbeard
explain, explain, explain, explain, explain, explain, explain, explain what your saying REALLY means....blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

oh and I forgot...blah.

Well, maybe not, but this could be what AGG meant when she said "I only meant to say ("This sort of thing turns me off") that when a topic breaks down, I get turned off by what usually follows." You can't think of anything to say, but you gotta get the last word in so you post a big line of crap cause you think you are cool.... Why don't you grow up?

[AGibbsGirl]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
AGG, no need to apologize. Your opinion matters here, and I wasn't trying to slam you for wanting to avoid such topics. If I came across that way, then I myself offer my apologies to you ma'am...


Kenny, after I took a look at what was written I felt that you, NamVet4, Spearfeather had a valid point, hot topics, politics and racial issues should be able to be debated without a special forum being created, but as you can see, valid discussions do have a tendency to break down...But even then, I usually just move on, I don't know why I made that comment to begin with...

I am pretty thick skinned, don't ever worry about offending me.
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[rskinsfan10]

Are you rubbing my head there?:D

[AGibbsGirl]

Originally posted by jporterweb
Well, maybe not, but this could be what AGG meant when she said "I only meant to say ("This sort of thing turns me off") that when a topic breaks down, I get turned off by what usually follows." You can't think of anything to say, but you gotta get the last word in so you post a big line of crap cause you think you are cool.... Why don't you grow up?


Boys, don't make me send you to your rooms!http://www.the-jungle.net/emotes/doghouse.gif

Is there anyway you can move on or perhaps move this disagreement to your PM's? Let's remember we're all united in the great love of football.http://www.the-jungle.net/emotes/grouphug.gif

[AGibbsGirl]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Are you rubbing my head there?:D

Yup, but like a brother my friend, just in case your wife is looking...

[Redbeard]

Ah, moving off the subject was my original suggestion. But everythings "FREE & OPEN" so at least let it be EQUALLY free & open.

The politicos don't like that though.

And no one stops when I suggest not talking about it. -"Just move on to the next thread if you don't like it" is the credo here.

**comparing "The Redskins" to the "The N-words" is the clutter of a garbage mind**

[Redbeard]

In closing I'd like to say from now on I'm going to commit myself in advance, to be a part of every "name changing discussion". Hopefully from the beginning, so we can all move on together. (Like the civil war, the war been fought (in court), and lost fair & square, it time it be accept it and let the war end)

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by AGibbsGirl
Yup, but like a brother my friend, just in case your wife is looking...

:cool: :D

[AZ#1SkinsFan]

I was just doing a google search . . . I typed in Redskin and hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button by accident. This is the page it took me to.

http://www.iwchildren.org/redskinhate.htm

Kind of interesting page . . . . I also follow the links to "next page" a few times and it really made me feel pretty shitty.

I always was for the Redskins keeping their name . . . this makes you think a little . . . a little bit more about how the Native Americans might feel . . .

Anywho . . . . .


GO SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Redbeard]

Lovely propaghanda

I love where they blame Hitler's Final Solution on little Adolph playing cowboys & indians as a kid.

(a total laughing stock *lol*)

[Redbeard]

Sounds like the ravings of politicos who hand-cuff themselves to the white house fence.