Snap Count....

[War Hogg]

What the hell is going on with our snap count? Is it me or has brunell used the same snap count ALL SEASON long? 340, 340, Hut Hut.

This maybe part of the reason why Samuels gets handled every week....Or we maybe trying to keep it simple so Dockery wont jump 10 times a game, either way, what the hell is going on....

[DoGood]

What the hell is going on with our snap count? Is it me or has brunell used the same snap count ALL SEASON long? 340, 340, Hut Hut.

This maybe part of the reason why Samuels gets handled every week....Or we maybe trying to keep it simple so Dockery wont jump 10 times a game, either way, what the hell is going on....

Actually its Green 40 or Green 50 but it always sounds like 340.

[dj_stouty]

It may be the same...but it sure has cut down on the number of false start penalties they have committed. Plus...today's defenses don't really gain much advantage when they know the snap count. Most of them fly off the ball when it moves, anyway...

[War Hogg]

It may be the same...but it sure has cut down on the number of false start penalties they have committed. Plus...today's defenses don't really gain much advantage when they know the snap count. Most of them fly off the ball when it moves, anyway...

i would have to disagree....

The fundamental advantage in football for the Offense is knowing what you're gonna do and when you're gonna do it...

[hail2skins]

It has been the same. Actually I've heard yellow 40 mentioned as well. I don't think it provides an advantage to the defense because the offensive player does know when it's going to be snapped. He should be that much more prepared.

[War Hogg]

It has been the same. Actually I've heard yellow 40 mentioned as well. I don't think it provides an advantage to the defense because the offensive player does know when it's going to be snapped. He should be that much more prepared.

Once again i have to disagree, if there were no advantage to snap counts then there would be no hard counts and everyone would just snap the ball on one....

[War Hogg]

I wonder if a different snap count would create some bigger running holes and would help samuels from getting beat on the edge.....

[dj_stouty]

I wonder if a different snap count would create some bigger running holes and would help samuels from getting beat on the edge.....

Or...ia different snap count could create 2-3 false start penalties a game, thus ending more drives. Or...it could create more botched snaps/fumbles...

Its all relative...and Gibbs probably prefers to have a system that is less mistake prone. (ie...simple snap count)

We have a winning record with it...so why change it?

[smoak]

On third down in tampa, we really could have used a hard count. I was hoping we'd line up to go for it on fourth and either pund it in there or try to draw off the defense...

Either way, I have NOT noticed defenders getting unusual jumps on the snap. I think our play calling really has helped keep people off balance. We are no longer one dimensional.

[War Hogg]

Or...ia different snap count could create 2-3 false start penalties a game, thus ending more drives. Or...it could create more botched snaps/fumbles...

Its all relative...and Gibbs probably prefers to have a system that is less mistake prone. (ie...simple snap count)

We have a winning record with it...so why change it?


Any current or or EX lineman or QB's in the house....


Changing a snap count is not like changing your offensive scheme, its not something that causing us to win or lose..... BUT, it does get defenses off balance...

Different snap counts are just a fundamental part of the game, something you learn in pop-warner football and should be something that a Proffesional football player can handle...Its all focus...

[hail2skins]

Once again i have to disagree, if there were no advantage to snap counts then there would be no hard counts and everyone would just snap the ball on one....If the oline knows the snap count, which they do, I don't see how the defensive lineman can gain an advantage by knowing it. The offensive player knows exactly what he's going to do and where he has to be for that play. The defensive player doesn't have that info.

[War Hogg]

If the oline knows the snap count, which they do, I don't see how the defensive lineman can gain an advantage by knowing it. The offensive player knows exactly what he's going to do and where he has to be for that play. The defensive player doesn't have that info.

Thats the problem, if it never changes then the defense does know the snap count....

Do you think Samuels has a BETTER CHANCE at pushing Simeon Rice on his arse if he ALONE knows the snap count or if THEY BOTH know the snap count?

[Jon Jansen is money]

Any current or or EX lineman or QB's in the house....


Changing a snap count is not like changing your offensive scheme, its not something that causing us to win or lose..... BUT, it does get defenses off balance...

Different snap counts are just a fundamental part of the game, something you learn in pop-warner football and should be something that a Proffesional football player can handle...Its all focus...

I agree with you there, going on a shorter snap count than usual will surprise the D, which can be very helpful, especially in critical situations.

[fent]

Thats the problem, if it never changes then the defense does know the snap count....

Do you think Samuels has a BETTER CHANCE at pushing Simeon Rice on his arse if he ALONE knows the snap count or if THEY BOTH know the snap count?

he's not saying that the defensive player doesn't know the count...he's saying the defensive player doesn't know the play. he can know the snap count all he wants, but if he comes in on a speed rush based on that count and portis heads through the hole he just vacated on that speed rush, it doesn't matter.

[D-Ruck #8]

I have rarely seen us go on a hard count. I would like to see it more, since it would've worked really well on Simeon Rice.

[fent]

I have rarely seen us go on a hard count. I would like to see it more, since it would've worked really well on Simeon Rice.

rice did nothing once we started actually using samuels to block him rather than cooley/royal/portis (none of which can legitimately be expected to block him consistently). why do people not realize this?

[LATrueRedskin]

Any current or or EX lineman or QB's in the house....


Changing a snap count is not like changing your offensive scheme, its not something that causing us to win or lose..... BUT, it does get defenses off balance...

Different snap counts are just a fundamental part of the game, something you learn in pop-warner football and should be something that a Proffesional football player can handle...Its all focus...

Although I agree, different snap counts will probably hurt us more than it hurts the opponent. It's not that much of an advantage, as these guys are professionals and aren't going to jump offsides at every different count. They mostly watch the ball anyway. I'd rather have 3 less offensive penalties for one possible defensive penalty.

[War Hogg]

The entire game of football is a battle that starts at the line of scrimmage...


This is the reason why O-line jump offsides, to get that half a second jump...

This is why Defensive lineman jump off sides trying to time the snap....

This is why D-linemen like Freeney are dominate and Some O-lineman like Orlando Pace are dominate...

This how plays get blown up in the back field for losses...


Knowing all of this how can anyone argue that having the same snap count all season is not a negative.....WOW

As far as lessening penalties goes, I mean damn, staying focused on the snap count is something that lineman are EXPECTED TO DO....Its like a QB being able to hand the ball on a run?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

didnt jared allen of the chiefs say that he notice some tendencies in our snap count? that may have explained career day and how fast he got off the line each time.

[BurgundyNGold]

What the hell is going on with our snap count? Is it me or has brunell used the same snap count ALL SEASON long? 340, 340, Hut Hut.

This maybe part of the reason why Samuels gets handled every week....Or we maybe trying to keep it simple so Dockery wont jump 10 times a game, either way, what the hell is going on....
Samuels gets handled every week because he is an average OT.

[War Hogg]

didnt jared allen of the chiefs say that he notice some tendencies in our snap count? that may have explained career day and how fast he got off the line each time.

Thank you lady, Thank you....I know I am far off sometimes but I played QB before and I know that a snap count is MAJOR.....

OMG....

[LATrueRedskin]

The entire game of football is a battle that starts at the line of scrimmage...


This is the reason why O-line jump offsides, to get that half a second jump...

This is why Defensive lineman jump off sides trying to time the snap....

This is why D-linemen like Freeney are dominate and Some O-lineman like Orlando Pace are dominate...

This how plays get blown up in the back field for losses...


Knowing all of this how can anyone argue that having the same snap count all season is not a negative.....WOW

If it were a problem, we would have heard about it at some time. Our offense is ranked #11 right now, and we don't seem to have that much of a problem. IMO, it beats driving down the field, only to have a player jump offsides, and kill our drive, because he forgot the snap count or he jumped early to get that "jump." If we execute the plays right, the snap count shouldn't matter one bit.

[War Hogg]

Samuels gets handled every week because he is an average OT.


I think this may have something to do with it though......Its just unbelieveable that he could actually be that sorry....

[LATrueRedskin]

Thank you lady, Thank you....I know I am far off sometimes but I played QB before and I know that a snap count is MAJOR.....

OMG....

I was a QB too, and it does matter a little bit. But we seem to be getting along just fine without it, and all it will do now is cause false starts. I just don't see it as much of a priority.

[dj_stouty]

Thank you lady, Thank you....I know I am far off sometimes but I played QB before and I know that a snap count is MAJOR.....

OMG....

BTW - Are we positive that they use the "exact same snap count" on every single play?

Regardless, I'll take mistake-less/penalty-less football using the exact same snap count, while being the 8th ranked rushing offense and having the 2nd highest yardage receiver in the league.

Why change things now?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Thank you lady, Thank you....I know I am far off sometimes but I played QB before and I know that a snap count is MAJOR.....

OMG....
our snap count is different on the road and i think thats when it seems like some DE's (allen, rice, strahan) have so much success against us away from fedex.

[War Hogg]

If it were a problem, we would have heard about it at some time. Our offense is ranked #11 right now, and we don't seem to have that much of a problem. IMO, it beats driving down the field, only to have a player jump offsides, and kill our drive, because he forgot the snap count or he jumped early to get that "jump." If we execute the plays right, the snap count shouldn't matter one bit.


We also havent heard anything about the abundance of screen plays that are run either but those are problem as well...

Did you play organized football at any time....Tackle not flag...(honest straight up question, no disrespect)

[War Hogg]

I was a QB too, and it does matter a little bit. But we seem to be getting along just fine without it, and all it will do now is cause false starts. I just don't see it as much of a priority.

Ahhhhhhh, you used to QB....how can you say the snap count isnt crucial?????

[LATrueRedskin]

We also havent heard anything about the abundance of screen plays that are run either but those are problem as well...

Did you play organized football at any time....Tackle not flag...(honest straight up question, no disrespect)

Yeah I played tackle up until my junior year in high school. Played QB and FS.

I'm not a fan of the screen plays much either, but sometimes it works out for us if it's thrown to Moss. His first step is incredible. I would say to use it less, but not to throw it away completely. It can be a very good play when executed correctly.

[LATrueRedskin]

Ahhhhhhh, you used to QB....how can you say the snap count isnt crucial?????

It can be, if the offense is fluttering and not producing. But ours is, and is pretty well. We're 8th in the run and 11th overall. Our offensive penalties are kept to a minimum, and Brunell isn't getting an alarming amount of pressure (he does need to hang on to the damn ball though). It's important, but right now it's not hurting us that much.

[hail2skins]

The snap count is used to give the QB a chance to read the defense and see what they're doing. Some teams use the cadence to audible so you don't know it's happening. A defensive lineman can get the jump on a snap and still be out of the play. It's all about the type of rush they use, not whether they get the jump on the snap count. A good offensive lineman will negate that. As far as plays made in the backfield, that's more of a good read on the defensive players than it is the snap count.

If you notice, the Redskins offensive scheme is based on motion. His scheme has always been that way and probably won't change. Well, it did change because there's less motion because of new rules and less time on the play clock.

[2Cooley]

I think this may have something to do with it though......Its just unbelieveable that he could actually be that sorry....
Also i noitced when we are on the road he gets off the snap like half a second late like he cant hear the count.

[rskinsfan10]

I have heard Tom Brady say "Omaha" on almost every snap he has made over the last three years in games I have watched, and the cadence didn't seem to vary that much. That didn't seem to affect their ability to win SBs.

[akhhorus]

I wonder if a different snap count would create some bigger running holes and would help samuels from getting beat on the edge.....

1-Samuels wasn't beaten for Rice's sacks. Cooley and Royal were.
2-Changing the snap count and using hard counts is a bright idea when you're playing in a loud stadium on the road. You're almost guaranteeing several false starts right there. Change it up at home where the crowd will be quiet(er).

[akhhorus]

The snap count is used to give the QB a chance to read the defense and see what they're doing. Some teams use the cadence to audible so you don't know it's happening. A defensive lineman can get the jump on a snap and still be out of the play. It's all about the type of rush they use, not whether they get the jump on the snap count. A good offensive lineman will negate that. As far as plays made in the backfield, that's more of a good read on the defensive players than it is the snap count.

Spurrier at SC uses a really unusual snap count. The offense goes to the line(when not in the shotgun) early and does several hard counts, if that doesn't work and the defense commits, the QB and skill position players stand up and watch for the new play coming in from Spurrier. But they can only do this at home, on the road, its useless.

[redskin_rich]

1-Samuels wasn't beaten for Rice's sacks. Cooley and Royal were.
2-Changing the snap count and using hard counts is a bright idea when you're playing in a loud stadium on the road. You're almost guaranteeing several false starts right there. Change it up at home where the crowd will be quiet(er).
Why do you ruin a good argument with fact's? :D

[akhhorus]

This is why D-linemen like Freeney are dominate and Some O-lineman like Orlando Pace are dominate...

This is why Freeney gets caught for a ton of offsides when teams change their snap counts, and Pace is a dominating player because he's just that good, not because the Rams change up the counts for him.

This how plays get blown up in the back field for losses...

This is also how DEs take themselves out of plays. They still don't know the play.

Knowing all of this how can anyone argue that having the same snap count all season is not a negative.....WOW

We're using the same snap count? Brunell has done plenty of hard counts and they've done quick counts. They got Philly off their heels with that in the sunday night game. Using the same snap count in a loud stadium on the road is just common sense. Even if the Defense knows the count, thats better than having a bunch of false start penalties on the road, right?

[akhhorus]

Why do you ruin a good argument with fact's? :D

Just another of my "smart comments" that somebody was complaining about.

[LATrueRedskin]

Spurrier at SC uses a really unusual snap count. The offense goes to the line(when not in the shotgun) early and does several hard counts, if that doesn't work and the defense commits, the QB and skill position players stand up and watch for the new play coming in from Spurrier. But they can only do this at home, on the road, its useless.

Yeah I see this a lot in college, particularly at Florida.

[akhhorus]

Yeah I see this a lot in college, particularly at Florida.

Its fun to watch, especially to see the defense react to it. But with things like that, and any adjustments in the snap count, you can't do it on the road without risking major problems with false starts.

[hail2skins]

Its fun to watch, especially to see the defense react to it. But with things like that, and any adjustments in the snap count, you can't do it on the road without risking major problems with false starts.Way too much logic there.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Or...ia different snap count could create 2-3 false start penalties a game, thus ending more drives. Or...it could create more botched snaps/fumbles...

Its all relative...and Gibbs probably prefers to have a system that is less mistake prone. (ie...simple snap count)

We have a winning record with it...so why change it?

I really have to disagree, DJ. If keeping the same snap count was really an advantage, it would be more common in the NFL. Even high school teams use different snap counts.

[CowboyKilla]

I'm all for a little switch up. Shoot have we drawn anyone offsides? One of those would have Iced the game sun on that last drive.

[Skinsguy1]

[QUOTE=akhhorus]1-Samuels wasn't beaten for Rice's sacks. Cooley and Royal were.
QUOTE]

I agree...I think Samuels is getting a lot of undeserved criticism this year. I think our line play has dramtically improved for whatever reason (Rabach, Jansen, Signal calls) and I don't think except for maybe the Chiefs game that Samuels has played that bad

[War Hogg]

I am at a loss for words...

No need to change the snap count because its will confuse our lineman and tempt them to jump offsides ...

And to be honest with you there really isnt any advantages to changing your cadence or snap count because if you keep it the same ALL SEASON long the O-line will never get it wrong and we will be mistake free...

And you really shouldnt change your cadence on the road because the crowd will always be WAYYY TOOO LOUD and it will only hurt the offense...


You know we should just close this thread because snap counts and cadences really dont matter...They give neither the offense or defense an edge...as a matter a fact next year Tagliabue is mandating that all teams use the same cadence because all the extra stuff these QB's have been shouting for the past 100 years is really useless and its cutting into the halftime shows....

I smell koolaid, im out.....

[War Hogg]

I'm all for a little switch up. Shoot have we drawn anyone offsides? One of those would have Iced the game sun on that last drive.

no

[rskinsfan10]

You know we should just close this thread because snap counts and cadences really dont matter...Isn't this exactly what you were saying in the other thread shouldn't occur here? You are seemingly pissed that some, not all, of the people in this thread disagreed with you, so you are suggesting that the thread should be closed because of it?

Lastly, the Kool-aid reference has ran it's course. Deal with the fact that others simply don't agree. Stop acting as though they are mentally challenged or unable to come up with their own thoughts or ideas about subjects simply because they aren't the same as yours.

[akhhorus]

I am at a loss for words...

No need to change the snap count because its will confuse our lineman and tempt them to jump offsides ...

And to be honest with you there really isnt any advantages to changing your cadence or snap count because if you keep it the same ALL SEASON long the O-line will never get it wrong and we will be mistake free...

And you really shouldnt change your cadence on the road because the crowd will always be WAYYY TOOO LOUD and it will only hurt the offense...


You know we should just close this thread because snap counts and cadences really dont matter...They give neither the offense or defense an edge...as a matter a fact next year Tagliabue is mandating that all teams use the same cadence because all the extra stuff these QB's have been shouting for the past 100 years is really useless and its cutting into the halftime shows....

I smell koolaid, im out.....

Get a grip. If you can't take discussion of your ideas, then don't post them. And don't go challenging people if they've played QB or not if they disagree. The premise of this thread is also shaky, since I don't believe I've seen the Skins stick in the same Snap Count all year or all one game. BUT:

You're right and you're wrong. The Skins should(and do) change things up on the snap count, but you can't all of sudden change the count on the road, during the game in a loud stadium unless you want problems with false starts. Doing it at home, where the crowd will help out is a GREAT idea. Thats where you're right. And I doubt that you know so much more about the NFL than Gibbs does that he's refusing to make this change/or fails to see the problem you are seeing. If you think that's Koolaid, you need to adjust your reciever(and not a football term, but referring to senses and perception).

[War Hogg]

Isn't this exactly what you were saying in the other thread shouldn't occur here? You are seemingly pissed that some, not all, of the people in this thread disagreed with you, so you are suggesting that the thread should be closed because of it?

Lastly, the Kool-aid reference has ran it's course. Deal with the fact that others simply don't agree. Stop acting as though they are mentally challenged or unable to come up with their own thoughts or ideas about subjects simply because they aren't the same as yours.


They who? Im in disbelief that on a football board that MODS (you) and Senior posters (Assk) dont believe that snap counts and cadences mean nothing and keeping the same cadence all year long isnt hendering our o-lines performance...

Im mean this is a football board for christ sakes....what is with all this mentally challanged and unable to come up with thier own thoughts bull...

Why dont you FOLLOW THE RULES OF THE BOARD like we want everyone else to do and stick to the subject matter of the thread...

The "seasons over" thread was closed yesterday...If you want to fininsh that discussion then reopen it and I will gladly come over and finish my piece..just dont ruin my thread...

and I do smell koolaid here...

[War Hogg]

Get a grip. If you can't take discussion of your ideas, then don't post them. And don't go challenging people if they've played QB or not if they disagree. The premise of this thread is also shaky, since I don't believe I've seen the Skins stick in the same Snap Count all year or all one game. BUT:

You're right and you're wrong. The Skins should(and do) change things up on the snap count, but you can't all of sudden change the count on the road, during the game in a loud stadium unless you want problems with false starts. Doing it at home, where the crowd will help out is a GREAT idea. Thats where you're right. And I doubt that you know so much more about the NFL than Gibbs does that he's refusing to make this change/or fails to see the problem you are seeing. If you think that's Koolaid, you need to adjust your reciever(and not a football term, but referring to senses and perception).



And as for you, lol

I saw your pic, have you EVER PLAYED A DOWN OF ORGANIZED SPORTS IN YOUR LIFE...softball, twister, ANYTHING!

I mean really, not everything, but somethings you really cant comment on unless you have done it or been closely involved in it. Im sorry I didnt make this thread about the cap or some type of statistic...

[rskinsfan10]

They who? Im in disbelief that on a football board that MODS (you) and Senior posters (Assk) dont believe that snap counts and cadences mean nothing and keeping the same cadence all year long isnt hendering our o-lines performance...

Im mean this is a football board for christ sakes....what is with all this mentally challanged and unable to come up with thier own thoughts bull...

Why dont you FOLLOW THE RULES OF THE BOARD like we want everyone else to do and stick to the subject matter of the thread...

The "seasons over" thread was closed yesterday...If you want to fininsh that discussion then reopen it and I will gladly come over and finish my piece..just dont ruin my thread...

and I do smell koolaid here...I am sticking to the subject. You are the one that said something about closing this thread, not me.

I'm going to ruin your thread and your ability to post here. It seems that you lost sight of who calls the shots around here. Good bye...

[DoGood]

I am sticking to the subject. You are the one that said something about closing this thread, not me.

I'm going to ruin your thread and your ability to post here. It seems that you lost sight of who calls the shots around here. Good bye...

Bye War Hogg.

[DoGood]

Have these people no respect? I for one would be quite upset if I was banned because I enjoy this website so much as I think I've shown since I've become a regular poster here. Thanks for keeping this site clean guys!

[redwolf1218]

Brunell in huddle:

Look guys i really need to call time out, but before i do lets line up and i'll say "hut" a bunch of times and see if it draws them offsides, so nobody move.

[SkinsKY]

Samuels gets handled every week because he is an average OT.

So, you think that switching Samuels to block Rice in the second half and Rice's 2nd half disappearance are unrelated?

[akhhorus]

And as for you, lol

I saw your pic, have you EVER PLAYED A DOWN OF ORGANIZED SPORTS IN YOUR LIFE...softball, twister, ANYTHING!

I mean really, not everything, but somethings you really cant comment on unless you have done it or been closely involved in it. Im sorry I didnt make this thread about the cap or some type of statistic...

I played soccer for 15 years and club football in high school(my high school didn't have it) until I blew out my knees multiple times. So, Mike Tice played college football and pro football for about 20 years, doesn't seem to be helping his ability to judge talent and coach players, eh?

[dj_stouty]

I really have to disagree, DJ. If keeping the same snap count was really an advantage, it would be more common in the NFL. Even high school teams use different snap counts.

I wouldn't call it an advantage, but I'd call it the best-case scenario for a team that had countless false start penalties last year. I don't have the time to look back and count the times our O-line stepped off sides due to a constantly changing snap count...but I'd venture to say our current O-line is committing the penalty at least 1/4 of the time.

Why change something that isn't broke?

If defenders truly have the upper hand when an offense uses the same snap count...then has our passing game and rushing game improved significantly over last year?

[GWBlitzST]

While I probably wouldn't trade our absence of false starts for a few offsides penalties, I still think this thread is somewhat valid. I have never played organized football but I still noticed the simplicity of our snap counts and how defensive lines have reacted to it. Unlike our team, other teams' DEs try their best to get around the tackles and get to the quarterback, and the first step has a LOT to do with their success.

War Hogg was out of line there at the end, but you guys can't really say that the defense has NO advantage in knowing when we're snapping the ball. The lack of audibles also bothers me on the screens where we really have just one option.

[bwparker]

Wow, I just read this thread from start to finish for the first time. Funny thing is this: I was mostly agreeing with War Hogg. It was something that had occured to me too: Why does it seem like Brunell always has the exact same snap count?

So, I'm reading along and everything seems nice and dandy. I get everyone's points, but I still kinda agree with War Hogg. Then he just flips out, I can't even makes sense of his second to last post, but I'm fairly certain he was insulting all of us. Anyway, it seemed strange to me. His posts were made late at night...maybe he was drunk?:stout:

[lakewinola]

All things considered, I DO NOT want defenses to know our snap count. ONLY bad things can happen if the defense knows when we are going to snap the ball.

[lakewinola]

So, I'm reading along and everything seems nice and dandy. I get everyone's points, but I still kinda agree with War Hogg. Then he just flips out, I can't even makes sense of his second to last post, but I'm fairly certain he was insulting all of us. Anyway, it seemed strange to me. His posts were made late at night...maybe he was drunk?:stout:

Always thought he was a good solid poster, not sure what happened to him, what or who set him off. But he will be missed.

[fent]

All things considered, I DO NOT want defenses to know our snap count. ONLY bad things can happen if the defense knows when we are going to snap the ball.

snap counts are important, but let's be honest, when we're playing in Mile High, Arrowhead, or Raymond James (or whatever TB's stadium is called) or when opposing teams come to FedEx you have to be within a couple feet to hear the QB. playing on the road, you HAVE to take that into effect and use more simple counts.

[lakewinola]

snap counts are important, but let's be honest, when we're playing in Mile High, Arrowhead, or Raymond James (or whatever TB's stadium is called) or when opposing teams come to FedEx you have to be within a couple feet to hear the QB. playing on the road, you HAVE to take that into effect and use more simple counts.

Good point, I agree on the road if the home fans are making tons of noise they would be hard pressed to hear it, same as our o-line. At home though, remember, "Quite offense at work"

[hockeygoalie29]

One thing the offense gets from changing the snap count is the ability to read the defense before the snap. If the D gets used to one count, they will be showing their true formation at the end of the count. If you lengthen it, the QB can see how the D is lined up after all the shifting is finished. This gives the offense a big advantage since the QB will be able to see where the pressure will be coming from and who will be covering who.

[hockeygoalie29]

Ha ha, I made my last post and then found this quote in the Post today that backs me up:

Simms altered his pre-snap routine to try to detect the origins of the oncoming assault, and passed for 279 yards and a career-best 119.8 passer rating, about 40 points higher than ever before.

"On film we saw them just come up and snap the ball," Daniels said. "But [Sunday] he was going into a cadence and when everybody comes up there and he sees blitz, then he throws it deep downfield. Maybe it's because of all the big plays we gave up the weeks before, and they used that to their advantage."

[skins111111]

disquise or fake the blitz we will keep getting better at it.....
snap count-- start simple and add to it

[bwparker]

Thats the one faults I've been noticing heavilly with LaVar recently. The man gives away that he's going to blitz EVERYTIME he's going to blitz, its borderline rediculous. Although, maybe thats the point: "Everybody look at LaVar! Block him, he's expensive!" Then we try to hit them from the otherside. Either way, its like he jumps then resets then jumps then resets...

[GWBlitzST]

It seems that Washington and Marshall are the only two who even attempt to hide blitzes. Shawn Springs just lines up as another lineman. It's weird. But that Daniels article pretty much proves that there is truth to this thread. I liked War Hogg. Oh well.

[redwolf1218]

Wow, I just read this thread from start to finish for the first time. Funny thing is this: I was mostly agreeing with War Hogg. It was something that had occured to me too: Why does it seem like Brunell always has the exact same snap count?

So, I'm reading along and everything seems nice and dandy. I get everyone's points, but I still kinda agree with War Hogg. Then he just flips out, I can't even makes sense of his second to last post, but I'm fairly certain he was insulting all of us. Anyway, it seemed strange to me. His posts were made late at night...maybe he was drunk?:stout:
i read it too, and i agree about that last posts with the gibberish. i saw no warnings before he was banned, and while i may not have agreed with his demeanor, i've seen much more offensive posting receive a longer leash. i thought maybe cooler heads could have prevailed until the hangover wore off but oh well, good bye WarHogg.

i'd like to see a change in the snap count or cadence, on a down with 5 or less yards to go, if there is time on the play clock. it kills me when we jump offsides with 4 yards to go and give the other team a 1st down.

[DoGood]

i read it too, and i agree about that last posts with the gibberish. i saw no warnings before he was banned, and while i may not have agreed with his demeanor, i've seen much more offensive posting receive a longer leash. i thought maybe cooler heads could have prevailed until the hangover wore off but oh well, good bye WarHogg.

i'd like to see a change in the snap count or cadence, on a down with 5 or less yards to go, if there is time on the play clock. it kills me when we jump offsides with 4 yards to go and give the other team a 1st down.

I had read enough when he went out of his way to personally attack a very respected poster here in Akh. This is a good natured message board and the moment we start allowing that is when we turn into ESPN message boards.

[redwolf1218]

I had read enough when he went out of his way to personally attack a very respected poster here in Akh. This is a good natured message board and the moment we start allowing that is when we turn into ESPN message boards.
Akh can handle himself. he's one of my favorites here and i enjoy reading his debates. he is legendary here and has no equal in that regard. i guess it depends on the definition of "personal attack", which i agree is not allowed and i too respect that quality in this forum. i'm sorry for voicing my opinion and taking this discussion off-topic.

that "yellow 40" has been around since Theisman used to hand the ball to Riggins. i think it's true what someone said about most of the QB calls being signals for motion. when it involves the motion it cant really be altered. but an extra "hut" or 2 at the end, or some kind of variation there, might throw off some the film study against us.

[CarMike]

I remember the last time our QB tried to go a fake count and our OL couldn't stay set. We were jumping the gun more than we were faking out the DL...

[redwolf1218]

I remember the last time our QB tried to go a fake count and our OL couldn't stay set. We were jumping the gun more than we were faking out the DL...
i think it is probably very difficult for a 300 pounder to stay in a squat position for a long period of time without even the slightest flinch of movement. that might be part of it.

[CarMike]

i think it is probably very difficult for a 300 pounder to stay in a squat position for a long period of time without even the slightest flinch of movement. that might be part of it.
True, but other OL seem to do it for other teams....for whatever reason. :whoknows:

[redwolf1218]

True, but other OL seem to do it for other teams....for whatever reason. :whoknows:
Peyton Manning's guys certainly have to do it a lot with him calling multiple plays at the line all the time.

[DoGood]

I remember the last time our QB tried to go a fake count and our OL couldn't stay set. We were jumping the gun more than we were faking out the DL...

Does anyone find it funny that a year or two ago we couldn't stay onsides if our lives depended on it and we were on pace to shatter team penalty records, and this year we are complaining because we're keeping it simple and are being penalized very little as a Joe Gibbs team should? I'm not complaining after watching all of that yellow laundry fly through the air in the past.

[redwolf1218]

Does anyone find it funny that a year or two ago we couldn't stay onsides if our lives depended on it and we were on pace to shatter team penalty records, and this year we are complaining because we're keeping it simple and are being penalized very little as a Joe Gibbs team should? I'm not complaining after watching all of that yellow laundry fly through the air in the past.
that's a good point. Spurrier tried the audible thing too much and it killed us (in a basically flawed scheme, for many reasons not worth going into). i'd rather line up, run the play, and beat them man to man. however if everyone is made aware of it once or twice during the game, with a reminder in the huddle, i see no harm with an attempt at trickeration with a wierd new "hut hut".

[rskinsfan10]

i read it too, and i agree about that last posts with the gibberish. i saw no warnings before he was banned, and while i may not have agreed with his demeanor, i've seen much more offensive posting receive a longer leash. i thought maybe cooler heads could have prevailed until the hangover wore off but oh well, good bye WarHogg.Telling an owner how to conduct his business on this board will get a member banned everytime. Being a repeat offender certainly doesn't help that poster's cause.