Akh's Thoughts Week 11

[akhhorus]

http://www.hailredskins.com/blog/index.php?p=188

I will now take your guff.

[redskin_rich]

I didn't see the other NFL games today so I can only comment on your points on the Skins. I totally agree and have no guffs. This was bound to happen and I was worried before this game. We are close but we have played a brutal schedule, as it turns out. If we had known beforehand, we would be happy to be at .500 at this point.

[akhhorus]

I didn't see the other NFL games today so I can only comment on your points on the Skins. I totally agree and have no guffs. This was bound to happen and I was worried before this game. We are close but we have played a brutal schedule, as it turns out. If we had known beforehand, we would be happy to be at .500 at this point.

Yeah thats another point I don't see enough. The Skins have a BRUTAL schedule this year. Even the weaker half the schedule right now(49ers, Raiders, KC, San Diego, Phillyx2, Arizona, St Louis) is still a moderately hard schedule.

[Death_Venom]

This game had me worried quite awhile back-especially with all the silly mistakes the Skins keep committing to keep themselves playing from behind. This game was a SERIOUS OUCH!

[cmdlost29]

Snyder was completely justified in firing you

"Norv what have you done for us lately other then take us to the playoff's? We will go there without you. Screw you Your Fired"

There has been a lot of news coverage on the the early mistakes Daniel Snyder made with our beloved team and this is always pointed out as one of them. Many people believe you don't walk into an organization as a new owner and fire a coach who took the team to the playoffs that season after seeing the team spend more then 5 plus years losing double digit games every year and not make the playoffs. Many believe the coach should be given time to show the new owner what he can do with the team. All Norv did was show Snyder he could win with the team.

A team has to have time to mature and grow and become a winner. That doesn't happen overnight. When you have a losing grip take over your franchise it takes years and sometimes decades to come out of that slump and we are not out of our slump yet. We have had a losing ball club since Joe Gibb's last SuperBowl win with the exception of the year Norv took us to the playoffs. When you have a decade plus of losing you do not turn the ship around quickly, it takes a very long time to turn a loser into a winner.

It is not easy to win in the NFL and it's going to take time for the current Redskins to learn how to win again consistanly. I've been blasted by you in the past for suggesting that we would be at the exact place the team is right now and here we are. You didn't think it possible we would lose the last few games as I suggested and insisted on calling me names or saying I wasn't a true fan in the process. I think I understand why. Your a Redskins fan and you want more then anything to see us win and so do I. Your also living near DC where the Redskins stir up a lot of media coverage. I do not live anywhere near Washington DC however so it's easier for me to see how we would be at this spot today where we are because I don't wear beltway glasses like so many others here. Im not happy I was right about predicting this fall but I saw it coming and all you saw was a "fake fan" in me. I wish you knew me better then that.

This season we have grown as a team in many ways. We have run the complete gauntlet of blowout wins, blowout losses, close victories, close defeats. Last minute heroics, last second blunders. Inspired wins and flat out boring losses. I honestly cannot remember a team that has gone through so much as this current team has in one season. What I can tell you is that we are putting the pieces together for a winning franchise right now. Our team is young and inexpirenced. Our coaches are old and learning new ways of winning. This ship is righting but it will be a rocky journey. Turning this into a playoff team will take time and its going to take an owner that understands that it is not easy to win in today's league and is patient.

Dan's matured since he fired the Redskins last playoff coach all those years ago and I believe he's got the patience to see this team get back to the promised land again. Sometimes it takes making mistakes to figure out how to do it right. On the record I shed no tears when he fired Norv. I looked at the move as something an inexpirenced young aggressive owner would make without considering the consequences. I didn't agree with the move at the time and I still don't. I thought that we were finally starting to come out of a long losing streak and when he fired Norv I watched as we spirled back into the streak again head first with no breaks. Norv's not a great coach, not a hall of fame coach, and not a good coach for that matter. He did however get released at the very worst time possible and was released by an inexpirenced owner that I don't think would make that same move again today. Gibbs is here putting on the breaks of this losing decade and a half now. He's going to need an understanding owner and Dan's been that and more this time around. I wish our fans would be as understanding as well.

[Paintedbird]

Good overview. but I have a few notes.

1) I don't see the loss of Thrash as significant in re to coverage of Moss. Taylor, Cooley, and Royal were still on the field, Please explain if you have the inclination.

2) Arrington's clutch stuff of the RB that prevented the TD was a defensive move to remember. It wasn't merely shooting a gap, but involved a lightning cut, power, and incredible timing and instincts. I don't remember seeing anything quite like it.

3) I'd leave Arrington in on 3rd downs with C. Clemons and keep N. Clemons sitting.

4) Idiot play of the game was Marshall covering receiver long on TD. Was it a mix up?

5) It was clear the runner was not down by contact when he fumbled on the one. Was it challenged? Could the whistle have blown because the runner's forward motion had stopped and the announcer missed the call?

6) It seemed to me Gibbs was once again too conservative. We once punted on fouth and inches on their forty, stopping our momentum in the first quarter when we had a 7 point lead.

7) Play calling, in general, seemed suspect after periods of brilliance. It is inexplicable to me why we stopped our intermediate and short pass game combined with Portis runs and started going for long shots down field, especially after it became clear we couldn't beat them deep.

8) Jacobs was OK. Three receptions is about what I expected this first time out. I was only disappointed by his performance in re his stupid penalty.

9) This was a bad game from Brunell. A decent game by him today would have meant a win. He had Thrash for an easy TD and missed low. He threw too many away

10) Is this the fourth or fifth game of ours in which it could be argued that poor officiating affected the outcome?

[Paintedbird]

Good overview. but I have a few notes.

1) I don't see the loss of Thrash as significant in re to coverage of Moss. Taylor, Cooley, and Royal were still on the field, Please explain if you have the inclination.

2) Arrington's clutch stuff of the RB that prevented the TD was a defensive move to remember. It wasn't merely shooting a gap, but involved a lightning cut, power, and incredible timing and instincts. I don't remember seeing anything quite like it.

3) I'd leave Arrington in on 3rd downs with C. Clemons and keep N. Clemons sitting.

4) Idiot play of the game was Marshall covering receiver long on TD. Was it a mix up?

5) It was clear the runner was not down by contact when he fumbled on the one. Was it challenged? Could the whistle have blown because the runner's forward motion had stopped and the announcer missed the call?

6) It seemed to me Gibbs was once again too conservative. We once punted on fouth and inches on their forty, stopping our momentum in the first quarter when we had a 7 point lead.

7) Play calling, in general, seemed suspect after periods of brilliance. It is inexplicable to me why we stopped our intermediate and short pass game combined with Portis runs and started going for long shots down field, especially after it became clear we couldn't beat them deep.

8) Jacobs was OK. Three receptions is about what I expected this first time out. I was only disappointed by his performance in re his stupid penalty.

9) This was a bad game from Brunell. A decent game by him today would have meant a win. He had Thrash for an easy TD and missed low. He threw too many away

10) Is this the fourth or fifth game of ours in which it could be argued that poor officiating affected the outcome?

[RaiderSithLord]

10) Is this the fourth or fifth game of ours in which it could be argued that poor officiating affected the outcome?

Sorry bud, but the officials tried to give you the game.

1) They took a R. Moss TD off the board with a BS PI call.
2) HTey called a long phantom PI call on Schweigert.
3) Jordan had the ball across the plane of the goal line, it should never have been a 1st and goal.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

nice league overview again akh...i gotta get Tivo to keep up with ya.

[Redblood]

Sorry bud, but the officials tried to give you the game.

1) They took a R. Moss TD off the board with a BS PI call.
2) HTey called a long phantom PI call on Schweigert.
3) Jordan had the ball across the plane of the goal line, it should never have been a 1st and goal.


I was there, and didn't see any of the above that way.

[akhhorus]

Sorry bud, but the officials tried to give you the game.

1) They took a R. Moss TD off the board with a BS PI call.
2) HTey called a long phantom PI call on Schweigert.
3) Jordan had the ball across the plane of the goal line, it should never have been a 1st and goal.

1-He clearly pushed Harris out of the way. Moss has a serious rep for doing that all around the NFL(he tried it last year on Taylor--bad idea) and the refs are watching for it now.
2-It was close, but the safety hit Jacobs' head. They will call that every time.
3-Jordan also fumbled and got away with it.

[danny's stogie]

4) Idiot play of the game was Marshall covering receiver long on TD. Was it a mix up?


Taylor bit on the X corner route. The Skins I believe were in a cover 2 and Taylor was given the choice of covering the outside or the slot. He chose the outside reciever who promptly broke to the sideline and eliminated ST's ability to get back to the go route run by Porter. Lemar likely was in a short zone, but stuck with Porter when he saw Taylor break to the outside. I was actually impressed that Lemar had the speed to stick with Porter, but you have to give the Raiders props for a well designed play, a good read by Collins, and a great throw and catch.

[skinswin]

I'm sorry but the Chargers have had the hardest schedule in the league and they are doing fine. Why? Because they have a good team.

I'm not going to use the schedule as an excuse. good teams win regardless.

[becky]

"Norv what have you done for us lately other then take us to the playoff's? We will go there without you. Screw you Your Fired"

There has been a lot of news coverage on the the early mistakes Daniel Snyder made with our beloved team and this is always pointed out as one of them. Many people believe you don't walk into an organization as a new owner and fire a coach who took the team to the playoffs that season after seeing the team spend more then 5 plus years losing double digit games every year and not make the playoffs. Many believe the coach should be given time to show the new owner what he can do with the team. All Norv did was show Snyder he could win with the team.

A team has to have time to mature and grow and become a winner. That doesn't happen overnight. When you have a losing grip take over your franchise it takes years and sometimes decades to come out of that slump and we are not out of our slump yet. We have had a losing ball club since Joe Gibb's last SuperBowl win with the exception of the year Norv took us to the playoffs. When you have a decade plus of losing you do not turn the ship around quickly, it takes a very long time to turn a loser into a winner.



I don't think you are a fake fan and I agree with your assessment of our current situation.. it is going to take time. I don't think it will take decades, but I think it is pretty clear that we are making improvements and we CAN have a successful season if we show that we are continuing to improve and eliminate some of these weaknesses, but I think it is pretty clear that we won't be taking on and beating the Colts in the SB this year.

Snyder has made plenty of mistakes, personally I do not love or hate him, I just try to see him realistically. But I'm not sure it is a mistake to fire someone who took a team that went to the playoffs the year before, started 6-2 and finds themselves at 7-6 later in the season. That would be fine if we hadn't gone to the playoffs the year before and if it was only his 1st or 2nd year with the team, but after years of having the opportunity to build and turn the team around, I think Snyder just felt like it was make it or break it time for Norv. And in classic Norv Turner fashion, he choked it away. His teams had no heart.. they STILL don't have any heart, which is why a loss to them yesterday is pathetic. You may think Norv was moving in the right direction, but look at what he has now. He has a ridiculous amount of talent on his team and he can't turn it into anything. I give credit to Raiders for beating us yesterday, but they barely did that and with the talent on their team and the injuries on ours.. well, frankly, it should have been much easier.

[akhhorus]

I'm sorry but the Chargers have had the hardest schedule in the league and they are doing fine. Why? Because they have a good team.

I'm not going to use the schedule as an excuse. good teams win regardless.

They are also loaded with talent, but can't seem to put together two good games.

[skinswin]

Ark..they are going to put together two good games now because they are going to play us next.

We have too many holes on offense and defense to make the playoffs.

[akhhorus]

Ark..they are going to put together two good games now because they are going to play us next.

We have too many holes on offense and defense to make the playoffs.

Ark? Well, Skinfwin; if you want to be declare the season over, thats your right to. You seem to have a habit to declare the worst about the Skins far too early and just give up without actually watching the team.

The problem with this team isn't talent. Its execution. They have the talent on both sides of the ball to win out their schedule, but they also have the ability to make enough mistakes to lose out. And who knows what you will get with the Chargers. The team that blew out the Giants or struggled against the Jets. And it looks like Gates will be gone for Sunday, and that really helps the Skins.

[SkinsASchamps]

Ark? Well, Skinfwin

cant stop laughing about this.

[skinswin]

Ark? Well, Skinfwin; if you want to be declare the season over, thats your right to. You seem to have a habit to declare the worst about the Skins far too early and just give up without actually watching the team.

The problem with this team isn't talent. Its execution. They have the talent on both sides of the ball to win out their schedule, but they also have the ability to make enough mistakes to lose out. And who knows what you will get with the Chargers. The team that blew out the Giants or struggled against the Jets. And it looks like Gates will be gone for Sunday, and that really helps the Skins.

Ark..I tend to be right too huh?

I just call what I see. It's okay to be optimistic but I knew we were done when the Giants shut us out. I watch every skins game. I don't like what I see but I'm not going to deny what I see either.

[akhhorus]

Ark..I tend to be right too huh?

No, you don't. You're mysteriously never here after victories.

I just call what I see. It's okay to be optimistic but I knew we were done when the Giants shut us out. I watch every skins game. I don't like what I see but I'm not going to deny what I see either.

No, you only call what you want to complain about.

[SkinsASchamps]

No, you don't. You're mysteriously never here after victories.



His name is SkinsWin so... not really sure what all that means.

Really though this season is painful to us because we all were feeling good and we havent had that in a while and now after 2 loses we shouldve had we are getting back to how we used to feel. I hope we can beat the chargers and win out our games at home.

[BurgundyNGold]

No, the Skins are not mathematically elimated at this point. That's true. However, we're on the sad side of 5-5, losing 3 or our last 5 and squandering a 3-0 start. The last 2 games we lost against teams we should've beaten. We can come back, but it's going to require either a 5-1 run or a 4-2 run and implosions across the NFC.

[SkinsASchamps]

one note: the last time we won against a AFC team was 2003 so... i really hope we can change that on sunday.

[MoeRedskins]

yeah, I got a suggestion, could you use another font cause it is hard to decipher between the d and cl. Other then that it was a good and level headed write up on the game. I think everybody (skinswin in particular) needs to calm down. They should have won, but they won games they should have lost too. Season is still a success in my eyes.

[skinswin]

No, you don't. You're mysteriously never here after victories.



No, you only call what you want to complain about.


Not true. You remember what you want to remember and forget what doesn't support your argument.

I'm here regardless. And will continue to do so.

[akhhorus]

Not true. You remember what you want to remember and forget what doesn't support your argument.

Actually you made 3 posts right after the Seattle game that were positive in nature. But you're weren't here in the beginning of the season. Then you showed up after the Giants debacle and have only showed up after losses.

I'm here regardless. And will continue to do so.

Not if the Skins win...

[danny's stogie]

No, the Skins are not mathematically elimated at this point. That's true. However, we're on the sad side of 5-5, losing 3 or our last 5 and squandering a 3-0 start. The last 2 games we lost against teams we should've beaten. We can come back, but it's going to require either a 5-1 run or a 4-2 run and implosions across the NFC.

It will require at least a 4-2 finish, but it won't require NFC implosions...It will require mediocority. If the Skins take care of their own, win 5+ games they are in. As I've said before I'm not overly optomistic, but the Falcons are struggling, the Bucs are eratic, you never know with the Panthers, the Cowboys have Drew Bledsoe, and the Giants can't keep losing owners every week (sorry for the bad taste). There have been some huge second half suprises over the past couple of years among them some big collapses and streaky teams getting in the playoffs. This was a killer loss for the Skins, but they have no reason to give up right now.

[akhhorus]

No, the Skins are not mathematically elimated at this point. That's true. However, we're on the sad side of 5-5, losing 3 or our last 5 and squandering a 3-0 start. The last 2 games we lost against teams we should've beaten. We can come back, but it's going to require either a 5-1 run or a 4-2 run and implosions across the NFC.

And considering how crappy the NFC is this year, thats very possible. We need the following teams to start losing:
St Louis, Atlanta, Tampa, Dallas, Giants, Minnesota.

Having Chicago, Seattle and Carolina run away with their divisions will be very helpful.

[colkurtz]

I'm tired of the ppl who think Norv Turner was shafted by Danny Snyder.

Norv Turner is a nice guy but a mediocre head coach.

AFTER SEVEN YEARS, he had a .45 winning percentage with the Redskins. Folks, most coaches don't last past 3 or 4 years maximum, with other teams with that sort of percentage.

So he goes to other thems and guess what his winning percentage is? .45

His teams have offensive talent, but are undisciplined with lots of penalties and they lose most of the close ones. I wish we had won this one but am glad he is in Oakland.

[akhhorus]

I'm tired of the ppl who think Norv Turner was shafted by Danny Snyder.

Norv Turner is a nice guy but a mediocre head coach.

AFTER SEVEN YEARS, he had a .45 winning percentage with the Redskins. Folks, most coaches don't last past 3 or 4 years maximum, with other teams with that sort of percentage.

So he goes to other thems and guess what his winning percentage is? .45

His teams have offensive talent, but are undisciplined with lots of penalties and they lose most of the close ones. I wish we had won this one but am glad he is in Oakland.

Norv gets the good coverage the same way Charlie Casserly does. He hands out as much inside info as he can without getting busted and gets the media dependant on him and beholden to him. Why do you think that despite the lousy season by the Texans, and the clearly terrible drafting and bad signings by CC, no one is criticizing him much in the national football media?

[skinswin]

Norv was never shafted. He was given ample opportunity to succeed by both owners. I thought he got more chances then most coaches

[akhhorus]

Norv was never shafted. He was given ample opportunity to succeed by both owners. I thought he got more chances then most coaches

He clearly hung on much longer than he should because of JKC's death. The unsettled ownership situation probably bought Norv 2-3 years.

[colkurtz]

He clearly hung on much longer than he should because of JKC's death. The unsettled ownership situation probably bought Norv 2-3 years.

Exactly Akhorus. Norv got a couple more years than he would have anywhere else for his overall record. Yet, after 7 years of mediocre coaching here, some people only want to bring up the one year we made the playoffs.

[guinness4health]

"Norv what have you done for us lately other then take us to the playoff's? We will go there without you. Screw you Your Fired"

There has been a lot of news coverage on the the early mistakes Daniel Snyder made with our beloved team and this is always pointed out as one of them. Many people believe you don't walk into an organization as a new owner and fire a coach who took the team to the playoffs that season after seeing the team spend more then 5 plus years losing double digit games every year and not make the playoffs. Many believe the coach should be given time to show the new owner what he can do with the team. All Norv did was show Snyder he could win with the team.

A team has to have time to mature and grow and become a winner. That doesn't happen overnight. When you have a losing grip take over your franchise it takes years and sometimes decades to come out of that slump and we are not out of our slump yet. We have had a losing ball club since Joe Gibb's last SuperBowl win with the exception of the year Norv took us to the playoffs. When you have a decade plus of losing you do not turn the ship around quickly, it takes a very long time to turn a loser into a winner.

It is not easy to win in the NFL and it's going to take time for the current Redskins to learn how to win again consistanly. I've been blasted by you in the past for suggesting that we would be at the exact place the team is right now and here we are. You didn't think it possible we would lose the last few games as I suggested and insisted on calling me names or saying I wasn't a true fan in the process. I think I understand why. Your a Redskins fan and you want more then anything to see us win and so do I. Your also living near DC where the Redskins stir up a lot of media coverage. I do not live anywhere near Washington DC however so it's easier for me to see how we would be at this spot today where we are because I don't wear beltway glasses like so many others here. Im not happy I was right about predicting this fall but I saw it coming and all you saw was a "fake fan" in me. I wish you knew me better then that.

This season we have grown as a team in many ways. We have run the complete gauntlet of blowout wins, blowout losses, close victories, close defeats. Last minute heroics, last second blunders. Inspired wins and flat out boring losses. I honestly cannot remember a team that has gone through so much as this current team has in one season. What I can tell you is that we are putting the pieces together for a winning franchise right now. Our team is young and inexpirenced. Our coaches are old and learning new ways of winning. This ship is righting but it will be a rocky journey. Turning this into a playoff team will take time and its going to take an owner that understands that it is not easy to win in today's league and is patient.

Dan's matured since he fired the Redskins last playoff coach all those years ago and I believe he's got the patience to see this team get back to the promised land again. Sometimes it takes making mistakes to figure out how to do it right. On the record I shed no tears when he fired Norv. I looked at the move as something an inexpirenced young aggressive owner would make without considering the consequences. I didn't agree with the move at the time and I still don't. I thought that we were finally starting to come out of a long losing streak and when he fired Norv I watched as we spirled back into the streak again head first with no breaks. Norv's not a great coach, not a hall of fame coach, and not a good coach for that matter. He did however get released at the very worst time possible and was released by an inexpirenced owner that I don't think would make that same move again today. Gibbs is here putting on the breaks of this losing decade and a half now. He's going to need an understanding owner and Dan's been that and more this time around. I wish our fans would be as understanding as well.


yes i agree that it is a difficult thing to built a winning franchise, but lets get this straight there was only one thing that synder did wrong in reference to norv, and it was firing Norv during the season....that is never good for your franchise....

but i think it should be painfully obvious that Norv is a terrible head coach, he doesn't seem to have a backbone....you can get away with it as an offensive coordinator, but not as a head coach. The teams that Norv coached had no dicipline and they were extreme underachievers....they made the playoffs despite Norv not because of him....

Keeping Norv would not have lead to a better team, it would have lead to a team that was stuck in neutral...it would have been a team exactly like they were the year Norv got fired a team of individuals with no sense of collective direction....which is certainly not a blueprint for a contender let alone a champion.

[Joe-T]

Marty seemed to turn it around in 1 year(8-8) and we canned him also.Marvin Lewis is doing pretty well in Cinncy and we could of had him .

[cmdlost29]

yes i agree that it is a difficult thing to built a winning franchise, but lets get this straight there was only one thing that synder did wrong in reference to norv, and it was firing Norv during the season....that is never good for your franchise....

but i think it should be painfully obvious that Norv is a terrible head coach, he doesn't seem to have a backbone....you can get away with it as an offensive coordinator, but not as a head coach. The teams that Norv coached had no dicipline and they were extreme underachievers....they made the playoffs despite Norv not because of him....

Keeping Norv would not have lead to a better team, it would have lead to a team that was stuck in neutral...it would have been a team exactly like they were the year Norv got fired a team of individuals with no sense of collective direction....which is certainly not a blueprint for a contender let alone a champion.

I said:
Dan's matured since he fired the Redskins last playoff coach all those years ago and I believe he's got the patience to see this team get back to the promised land again. Sometimes it takes making mistakes to figure out how to do it right. On the record I shed no tears when he fired Norv. I looked at the move as something an inexpirenced young aggressive owner would make without considering the consequences. I didn't agree with the move at the time and I still don't. I thought that we were finally starting to come out of a long losing streak and when he fired Norv I watched as we spirled back into the streak again head first with no breaks. Norv's not a great coach, not a hall of fame coach, and not a good coach for that matter. He did however get released at the very worst time possible and was released by an inexpirenced owner that I don't think would make that same move again today. Gibbs is here putting on the breaks of this losing decade and a half now. He's going to need an understanding owner and Dan's been that and more this time around. I wish our fans would be as understanding as well.

Firing him in the middle of the season when we went to the playoffs a year before as you said and I agree was a bone headed move. I see the same thing happening in Minnesota today. A team a year removed from the playoffs with a bad record and a new owner in place. Norv and Tice are both crappy head coaches, neither is much of a coach. However in Viking land the new owner is letting him wind down the season and in Redskins country Norv was booted in the middle of the year causing more chaos for us. If Dan had to do it over again I believe he would have let Norv finish out the season and wouldn't make the same mistake again. We seem to agree on this, don't you think?

[cmdlost29]

Marty seemed to turn it around in 1 year(8-8) and we canned him also.Marvin Lewis is doing pretty well in Cinncy and we could of had him .

I agree with you about Marty, he turned an 0-5 start into an 8-8 year, clearly the ship was fixing itself and he got released. I've been on the record saying that I believe this was ALSO a bad move. Dan's record on coaches in my opinion is a direct result in why we've not had a winning team for a long long time as any:

Norv - Fired in the middle of the season
Marty - Fired after starting season 0-5 and going 8-8 rest of the way
Spurrier - Complete and total disaster
Gibbs -

Thankfully he isn't going to screw this one up. Gibbs will leave when Gibbs wants to leave and I pray that doesn't come anytime soon!

[akhhorus]

I agree with you about Marty, he turned an 0-5 start into an 8-8 year, clearly the ship was fixing itself and he got released. I've been on the record saying that I believe this was ALSO a bad move. Dan's record on coaches in my opinion is a direct result in why we've not had a winning team for a long long time as any:


Marty got the team to overachieve in the second half, but I believe he wasn't fired because of his record. Danny believed Marty agreed to hire a seperate GM-and Marty could pick him(Ernie Accorsi was mentioned), but then backed out of that agreement. And Danny really wanted Marty to stay, but wanted Marty to stick with coaching. Look at San Diego: Marty has a really talented roster, not a group of stiffs that has to overachieve.

[Spence]

I think Snyder also didn't like the way Schottenheimer froze him out of all personnel decisions and treated him like a rich guy who didn't know the first thing about running a professional football team.* When Marty started his tenure by firing Vinny Cerrato, he was sending a message to Snyder and I don't think Snyder ever forgot or forgave it. Pretty much the first thing Snyder did after firing Marty was to re-hire Cerrato.

* Marty's estimation was clearly accurate.