Top 5 worst Skin's moves

[truant]

5) Drafting Desmond Howard (insert Shuler if you like)
4) Cutting Brian Mitchell
3) Not keeping Art Monk for the tail end of his careerl
2) Leaving RFK
1) Not blowing up Cowboys Stadium every time they are in town... :D

I'm 22, so i can't really go that far back, maybe you people can help out with some more.

[PennSkinsFan]

dude you gotta put Sean Gilbert in there

[bfauble83]

Jeff George
Peion
Stubblefield

[Skaggsrules]

1. Deion Sanders
2. Deion Sanders
3. Deion Sanders
4. Deion Sanders
5. Heath Shuler

[kelly]

1. d.sanders
2. j.george
3. s.gilbert
4. h.shuler
5. m.westbrook

[CarMike]

I love the Sean Gilbert move.....it helped land us Champ Bailey and Lavar Arrington.....

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by Skaggsrules
1. Deion Sanders
2. Deion Sanders
3. Deion Sanders
4. Deion Sanders
5. Heath Shuler

:bounceit: :bounceit: :bounceit: :doh:

May I add charging fans to attend training camp and firing Charley Casserly.

[Spence]

If we're just talking personnel decisions then drafting Heath Shuler tops the list. No question about it. Nothing else comes close. Otherwise, I think both Charley Casserly and Richie Petitbon were treated very shabbily. [Ironically, Casserly was the one who treated Petitbon shabbily.]

During home games, however, I think I can speak for most of us at the stadium when I say the biggest screw-up by far is playing those godawful commercials on the jumbotron at earsplitting volumes instead of letting the greatest marching band in the world do their stuff.

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by Spence
If we're just talking personnel decisions then drafting Heath Shuler tops the list. No question about it. Nothing else comes close. Otherwise, I think both Charley Casserly and Richie Petitbon were treated very shabbily. [Ironically, Casserly was the one who treated Petitbon shabbily.]

During home games, however, I think I can speak for most of us at the stadium when I say the biggest screw-up by far is playing those godawful commercials on the jumbotron at earsplitting volumes instead of letting the greatest marching band in the world do their stuff.

I totally agree with Spence on this.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by Spence

During home games, however, I think I can speak for most of us at the stadium when I say the biggest screw-up by far is playing those godawful commercials on the jumbotron at earsplitting volumes instead of letting the greatest marching band in the world do their stuff.

Yeah, I really hate the fact that they don't let my wife play as much as she and the rest of the band would like to.

[Brett A]

I dont think drafting Shuler was a big mistake everone in the league had him rated that high same for Howard.

here is my list

1. Cutting B.Mitchell
2. Signing Deion
3. Choosing Norv over Casserly
4. Hiring Marty
5. Not Keeping Trent Green or Brad Johnson until we could draft P.Ramsey


Brett A

[PennSkinsFan]

Hope the firing of Mendes does not land on that list:cussing:

[Spearfeather]

Personally, hiring Norv Turner would be up there on my list, along with Shuler, J. George and Deion.

[Skins57]

Deion..the fans knew this was bad but Synder wanted a name

Gilbert(coming to the team) when he left it was one of the best

Keeping Norv as long as they did

Firiing Richie for Norv after one year

Monk leaving

[TexSkin]

1.Deion
2.Joe Gibss retiring (it was not the Skins fualt but dam beg him to stay and chain him to his desk for god's sake)
3. Deion
4.Norv Turner
5.Deion

[Hailyeah]

1) Signing Deion (we loathed him beyond belief)
2) Retaining Turner all those years to compile a dismal 50-60-1 record.
3) Signing Stubblefield (what a waste of space he was/is, he turns my stomach)
4) Letting Brad Johnson leave without an offer so that Jeff George would be the man. (unbelievable)
5) Kicking B Mitchell to the curb only to see him extremely productive in Philly and now to play for NYG

*Drafting Desmond, Bobby Wilson, and Heath were fiascos as well

[Spence]

The thing about trading for Sean Gilbert is that it wasn't as bad for us as it was for the other two teams involved. The Rams traded Gilbert to us for the 6th pick in the draft, I believe. While Gilbert had one very good year for us and then bailed out, the Rams got nothing but pain from the guy they drafted with our pick, Lawrence Phillips. In all, they did worse than we did in that trade. Remember, for all the contract troubles we had with Gilbert, we never screwed our cap up by signing him to what he wanted. The Rams, on the other hand, gave a big signing bonus to Phillips. Only the unexpected emergence of Kurt Warner and the brilliant trade for Marshall Faulk enabled the Rams to recover.

Continuing with the Gilbert saga, the Redskins traded him for two first round draft picks to the Carolina Panthers. Gilbert has done nothing but gain weight in his ass and his skull since going to the Panthers. I'm sure he has wrapped his arms around more tacos than ball carriers in that time. The contract the Panthers gave Gilbert has been an anchor on their salary cap for several years. Meanwhile, the Redskins turned those two draft picks they got from Carolina into Champ Bailey and Chris Samuels. Not too shabby.

So, although Gilbert proved himself to be a creep of the first water [football aside, all that "Jesus wants me to have a $12 million signing bonus" crap was pretty offensive to those of us who think Jesus might mean something more than money], when you consider the Gilbert saga in its entirety, the Redskins did pretty well out of the whole mess.

[NamVet4]

#1 - Not letting Jack Kent Cooke pick and install his successor - we wasted too much damn time and effort - no knock on Danny Boy - he just had a real slow learning curve!

#2 - Letting Danny Boy waste money and time on D. Sanders and the other "get it done now" players and coaches.
There has been no continuity to this team.(ref - See the Joe Gibbs era!)

#3 - Releasing Art Monk - it was one of the first clues that the organization had lost respect for the game.

#4 - Still, as of this date, not settling the FO personnel situation

#5 - NOT letting the BAND play at every conceivable opportunity.
George Preston Marshall knew what he was doing! - those that follow - haven't a clue about how important the BAND is!

Just my 2 cents! http://kit.netpoets.net/2cents.gif

[dukeuch]

Gotta try to remember what was going on at the time the mistakes were made. Keeping that in mind, EVERYONE in football thought that Howard, Shuler, and Westbrook would be solid players, if not stars. Hard to fault "Skins for thinking the same.

Then there are moves that are simply idiotic, or borne out of hoping against hope that what everyone else knew. My five:

1) Deion: Everyone knew his best years were behind him and he was at best a decent starter, not deserving superstar contract.
(I blame Snyder)

2) George: If his arm was good enough to overshadow his obvious lack of leadership and whining, why did five (six?) other teams can him first? (I blame Snyder)

3) Mitchell: He was still above average, if unspectacular, when we dumped him. Doesn't loyalty count for anything? (I blame Snyder)

4) Thrash: The 'Skins groomed him, it was close to obvious that Westbrook was not going to pan out at the time we kept him instead of Thrash, a solid player. (I blame Snyder)

5) Sonny: Damn, it still bugs me that he sat for Kilmer. (I blame Snyder)

[284ever]

Not naming Fed Ex Jack Kent Cooke Stadium. That was his dream and the stadium was his idea. Synder an idiot.... Getting rid of larry Centers..

[bfauble83]

I might also add ...

Hiring Marty
Firing Marty

[hamptonskinsfan]

1. gotta go with the signing of Peon, only to let him F@#k our Cap up for 3 years.
2. Letting Brad go for that Beatch Jeff George.
3. letting Chip Lohmiller go, the start of that fiasco that we have had at kicker ever since.
4. Not firing Norv Turner sooner after it was blatenly obvious that he could never win against the other teams of the NFC East.
5. Still have to say tie between shuler and howard.

[Redbeard]

5 The Wilbur Marshel fiasco (scandel & lost draft picks)
4 The Art Monk fiasco (showed lack of management skill)
3 Drafting Kenard Lang over Tarik Glenn
2 Drafting Anrdre Johnson over Tony Brakens (Johnson was cut by pre-season, Brakens was Defensive rookie of the year)

and #1 Charley Casserly as GM (as these were all his moves)

[Redbeard]

**Bonus: drafting Westbrook over Sapp

[Redbeard]

**Super Bonus*** 3 draft pick for Brad Johnson (at least 2 #1s? I think) in an effort to salvage his carreer.

No matter what Snyder does, I'll always respect him for canning Casserly. (Bobby Mitchel was right, & should have been the choice. And we paid for it, as we deserved. Glad it's over.)

[coachsanto]

I really don't have a list, just wanted to throw a couple of things in here. As a coach, I think Norv Turner is a great coach. I see what it takes to be a head coach, and he just doesn't have it. I agree that it was a mistake to keep him as a head coach for so long, would've been nice to have him as an offensive coordintor.

The WORST move skins ever made was Sean Gilbert. Man I hated that guy....Good point thought about he helped us land Champ and Lavar.

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by Redbeard

2 Drafting Anrdre Johnson over Tony Brakens (Johnson was cut by pre-season, Brakens was Defensive rookie of the year)



i'm not so sure about this one. look at what brackens is doing to the jags cap. he, kyle brady, mark brunell, and jimmy smith take up half(!) of their cap space.

[Redbeard]

Norv: didn't work out. But trying to pass him off as a blunder is silly (and I'm a skeptic by nature) We did have to beat out other teams for his service. Norv was average, no more no less. Not as good as everyone said he was when he got here, not as bad as everyone said he was when he left.


Originally posted by Green_is_Good
i'm not so sure about this one. look at what brackens is doing to the jags cap. he, kyle brady, mark brunell, and jimmy smith take up half(!) of their cap space.

Yes, yes, yes. That's a matter of contract management though not talent management. Drafting inferior talent to help the cap is the stategy Casserly may have mastered though *lol*

[hamptonskinsfan]

i'd have to say the only thing that i can think of that Casserly ever did right was when he traded the saints all their picks so that we could still pick Champ. then again that was not him that was more mike Ditka wanting Ricky williams than Casserly doing anthing but saying " Yea, I'll take all your draft picks so you can move up"

[LostinNH]

1. Norv Turner
2. Norv Turner
3. Norv Turner
4. Norv Turner
5. Hate to say it but I've always hated Spurrier so I'm going to leave this one blank for now. However it has SOS's name reserved on it. Hopefully he's not the Norv part 2 that I've always thought he was.

[Redbeard]

Originally posted by hamptonskinsfan
i'd have to say the only thing that i can think of that Casserly ever did right was when he traded the saints all their picks so that we could still pick Champ. then again that was not him that was more mike Ditka wanting Ricky williams than Casserly doing anthing but saying " Yea, I'll take all your draft picks so you can move up"


In rare form, that was a great move, though a no-brainer, and I still thank god Casserly wasn't too dumb not too take it. I also think Casserly was in rare form with Gilbert. People can say what they want, but gilbert was a Beast for us when he got here (though not before) and brought us great picks when he left (2 number ones). Besides that rare form though, Casserly was a liability (imho).

[SkinsKY]

1) Shuler
2) Deion
3) The Daniel trying to speed up time to win a Super Bowl in the next five minutes rather than building a team.
4) Jeff George - still baffles me
5) The Daniel forgetting our legacy and where we came from and flirting with the line between owning a football team and football prostitution.

[Spence]

Originally posted by hamptonskinsfan
i'd have to say the only thing that i can think of that Casserly ever did right was when he traded the saints all their picks so that we could still pick Champ. then again that was not him that was more mike Ditka wanting Ricky williams than Casserly doing anthing but saying " Yea, I'll take all your draft picks so you can move up"

Casserly also convinced the Panthers to give up two first round picks for that fat pantload Sean Gilbert. We turned those picks into Champ Bailey and Chris Samuels. How about that?

[Green-Is-Good]

Originally posted by Spence
Casserly also convinced the Panthers to give up two first round picks for that fat pantload Sean Gilbert. We turned those picks into Champ Bailey and Chris Samuels. How about that?

damn, that's like paying someone to take all of your money

[Redbeard]

Gilbert was a beast that year so it didn't take much salesmanship.

[AGibbsGirl]

Art Monk-Thank God they didn't do that to Darrell, we woulda had to take someone out!

Deion-Stupid, stupid, stupid!

Too many coaches in too few years

Too many QB's in too few years
(I say bring back the Babe! ~wink~
You old folks will get it!)

Naming our team the Redskins in the first place! It should of been the Warriors or something...