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skinswin
11-21-2005, 05:06 PM
Is the Charger game the pivital game of the year now? Who sees us winning the game and who sees us losing the game?

What exactly do you see this coming weekend?

Biggie
11-21-2005, 05:09 PM
I see us having to play a decent QB with a decent offensive line that will shred us apart in ways that Chris Simms never could.

hail2skins
11-21-2005, 05:12 PM
I don't have a crystal ball. I'm looking for no turnovers and better pressure on the QB.

skins74
11-21-2005, 05:16 PM
Thru my beer goggles.:beer: :drunker:

GWBlitzST
11-21-2005, 05:32 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we don't get pressure on the QB, Phillip Daniels leads the team in tackles because they run at him every time, and we will line Shawn Springs up at linebacker as that seems to be his new position. Sean Taylor will do something unbecoming of our team when he gets frustrated that Ladanian throws a TD on him, like hurting Gates later in the game. Joe Gibbs will figure out a gameplan to score just enough points to make it interesting for a half, only to have the turnover battle kill us in the end, although they will have a glaring weakness that we exploit, only to get a holding call and then abandon that strategy for the rest of the game. Walt Harris will be made someone's bitch.

Chargers 27
Redskins 20

GibbsFan
11-21-2005, 05:34 PM
Gates will be out. the way I see it is the game will likely end up another slugfest that ill end up in the teens. Redskins finally show a backbone and win 17-14!

BurgundyNGold
11-21-2005, 05:43 PM
Through the cracks of my fingers probably. :D

Rich77
11-21-2005, 05:47 PM
I see us having to play a decent QB with a decent offensive line that will shred us apart in ways that Chris Simms never could.

I Agree..It will be ugly. Double Moss and there is nothing left.

Redskin006
11-21-2005, 06:14 PM
I Agree..It will be ugly. Double Moss and there is nothing left.

Double Moss, Cooley will have a huge game. Don't double Moss, they both have a good game. Also if Moss is doubled, CP will have a fairly decent game. The key to this game is shutting down LT and letting Gates have his way. LT is much more of a threat than Gates. If Gates is the only one doing anything we win, but if LT has a good day along with Gates we're screwed.

2Cooley
11-21-2005, 06:20 PM
Either we show up and win or play like we have been playing and get blown out.

yukmouth
11-21-2005, 06:22 PM
I hope you guys pull this one off, i hope portis runs all over donnie edwards an shawn merrimen, santana should rip that horrible secondary ill be rooting fro u guys!

HAWGZHEAD
11-21-2005, 06:34 PM
We will win. We must win.

BurgundyNGold
11-21-2005, 06:35 PM
We will win. We must win.
I've thought that the past two weeks. I hope you're right.

HAWGZHEAD
11-21-2005, 06:37 PM
Me too, I just don't have the energy for coming up with a gameplan anymore. We just have to go out there and do it, or I'll be posting this same statement on week from now I guess lol.

BurgundyNGold
11-21-2005, 06:39 PM
Me too, I just don't have the energy for coming up with a gameplan anymore. We just have to go out there and do it, or I'll be posting this same statement on week from now I guess lol.
Tell me about it. I am sooooooo spent after Redskin games that we lose that I just can't being myself to post usually until the next day. I'm on such an even keel from January to August. Being a true fan really sucks because it totally affects your life week in and week out.

HAWGZHEAD
11-21-2005, 06:43 PM
Tell me about it. I am sooooooo spent after Redskin games that we lose that I just can't being myself to post usually until the next day. I'm on such an even keel from January to August. Being a true fan really sucks because it totally affects your life week in and week out.True, luckily I haven't had it compounded by my buddy who is a Steelers fan. When you lose to Boller and we lose to Norv the smack talk cancelled itself out.

inevitable
11-21-2005, 07:04 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that we don't get pressure on the QB, Phillip Daniels leads the team in tackles because they run at him every time, and we will line Shawn Springs up at linebacker as that seems to be his new position. Sean Taylor will do something unbecoming of our team when he gets frustrated that Ladanian throws a TD on him, like hurting Gates later in the game. Joe Gibbs will figure out a gameplan to score just enough points to make it interesting for a half, only to have the turnover battle kill us in the end, although they will have a glaring weakness that we exploit, only to get a holding call and then abandon that strategy for the rest of the game. Walt Harris will be made someone's bitch.

Chargers 27
Redskins 20

Funniest post ever. No joke. I'm crying here.

BurgundyNGold
11-21-2005, 07:17 PM
Funniest post ever. No joke. I'm crying here.
That was pretty funny. I don't know how I missed it the first time through.

bgforever
11-21-2005, 07:18 PM
Never thought I'd say this, but its our sister team.

San Diego has a more consistent QB and better road record though. Reason's aren't just records, but the AFC South and West where the most likely SB consensus SB is likely to come, for now.

The teachings and games are more intense than ours. That is why all our games seemed like a wash against these AFC oponnents we faced.

San Diego will be no different, because ALL of these teams, to include Cincy, Pitt have retooled to stop NE and Indy.

Have we been playing at NE best year levels, week in and week out. NO.

So we should expect games that have play of all three areas at a top pace.

We HAVE responded though in ALL of our appaearances, but we kept letting these teams get away from us with our patented mistakes down the stretch and unfortunate calls always join in at that point. I agree with Gibbs, play your way out of it, Starting with San Diego and FOCUS ON PLAYING A GOOD GAME EVERY WEEK. Why do you think Cooley's game stays steady, as does ST, as does Moss? yes they have moments, but so does Manning, LT and Palmer, but still they deliver. just because you did one thing wrong with 5 min to play doesn't mean you have to croak with 3 min. WIN THE GAME!

Redskinfan28
11-21-2005, 07:21 PM
On Monday night live, they said Gates feels good, will practice this week and play this Sunday.

HAWGZHEAD
11-21-2005, 07:22 PM
On Monday night live, they said Gates feels good, will practice this week and play this Sunday.How bout you just come over to my house and poop in my corn flakes lol.

Skins4life
11-21-2005, 07:44 PM
We need this one. With Dallass playing denver and gints playing seattle, we need this game. No turnovers, we are 9-1 - or at least 1 - 2 a game would be better than 2-3. we need this one.

tbfoster1
11-21-2005, 07:53 PM
A win against the Chargers is a must and I think it would go along way for the confidence of this team. If we win this one, I think we can win the rest and go 11-5.

Unfortunatly, I don't think we are going to win. I don't even think it will be close.

Texas Skin
11-21-2005, 08:01 PM
Man this is a pivital game, if we can find in ourselves to not fumble and win at home and we could actually try to take care of business on the road too and win 2 games that we should (Rams & Cardinals) we could be back in business 8-5. This is the game to set the tone and find out if we have a shot to make a strong run. Hopefully we can start a little streak we'll be in good position for our divisonal home games.

Alright I'm getting ahead of myself and getting all optimistic which is not a good sign. Get it together man and keep a level head. :rolleyes:

GolfFreak
11-21-2005, 08:18 PM
I'm crossing my fingers for this game. They have so many weapons on O, but I think their D is suspect. If Portis can run and we can win the time of possession then I think we have a shot. If we go three-and-out a few times then it could get ugly. Lets hope the D plays like they did Sunday and the O plays like they did vs. Tampa.

redskin_rich
11-21-2005, 08:28 PM
I hope it is raining and cold, just like it is today. This is the week that Portis needs to get at least 30 carries and the O-Line needs to play with an attitude, after how they under performed yesterday.

inevitable
11-21-2005, 08:42 PM
How bout you just come over to my house and poop in my corn flakes lol.

omfg thats 2 in one thread.

good read man :lol1:

CapitalDefense
11-21-2005, 08:42 PM
Well the Tampa game was Big, and it ended with an L

The Oakland game was Huge, and...well

We can't win the big ones or the huge ones....How about a MUST one with this offense coming to town

Drew Brees 2500 yds 18 TD's 67% completion percent..sacked only 14 times
Antonio Gates 50 catches 7 TD
Keenan McCardell 40 catches 7TD
LaDainian Tomlinson 900 yds rushing 14 TD's..30 catches and 2 TD's..3TD passes
Eric Parker 30 Catches 2TD

So which one of these guys will Marshall be covering 1 on 1 deep?

I hate to say it but there is no way we can score enough to keep up, and our defense will be...well not good enough.

31 - 17 Bolts

akhhorus
11-21-2005, 08:45 PM
If the Skins can win the turnover battle, this is a winnable game.

Chief Seeway
11-21-2005, 08:50 PM
I don't think we'll win but we can still make the playoffs if we win out after that.

GibbsRules!
11-21-2005, 08:54 PM
If the Skins can win the turnover battle, this is a winnable game.

A recurring theme...I hope for once we do win it. We need to salvage one win against the AFC here.

I'm tired of catching crap on Monday Mornings!!

BurgundyNGold
11-21-2005, 08:58 PM
If the Skins can win the turnover battle, this is a winnable game.
That's good to know, since we couldn't do that for the last two weeks and found a way to squander two very winnable games. This one, on paper, was one of the ones most people had us losing, unlike the aforementioned previous two weeks. If we lose this week, we're pretty much done. This is a MUST win, not a "nice to have".

akhhorus
11-21-2005, 09:00 PM
A recurring theme...I hope for once we do win it. We need to salvage one win against the AFC here.

I'm tired of catching crap on Monday Mornings!!

Yes it is, but the Skins have won that battle this year and they win when they do it. Thats the most frustrating thing about this team: they have the talent and the scheme to beat just about anyone, but its the mental errors and turnovers that lead to losses. If they tighten up, they can beat anyone and everyone left on their schedule. Thats why I can't get pessimistic about this team, we've seen them play very well and win tough games against tough teams. But they're also lost against weaker teams. So, until they beat themselves in a game, I'm optimistic. That and watching Brooks Bollinger carve up the Chargers defense gives me hope.

bgforever
11-22-2005, 12:06 AM
Is the Charger game the pivital game of the year now? Who sees us winning the game and who sees us losing the game?

What exactly do you see this coming weekend?


WE Win and it is because we finally stretch the field often against a good opponent, but we also score when we need to.

CowboyKilla
11-22-2005, 01:06 AM
Character game. We can get it done. For once we need to put it all together.
This is the game to do it.

bgforever
11-22-2005, 01:30 AM
Yes it is, but the Skins have won that battle this year and they win when they do it. Thats the most frustrating thing about this team: they have the talent and the scheme to beat just about anyone, but its the mental errors and turnovers that lead to losses. If they tighten up, they can beat anyone and everyone left on their schedule. Thats why I can't get pessimistic about this team, we've seen them play very well and win tough games against tough teams. But they're also lost against weaker teams. So, until they beat themselves in a game, I'm optimistic. That and watching Brooks Bollinger carve up the Chargers defense gives me hope.

sounds like the team needs a 1 week BOOT camp (swift kick in the pants!)

bgforever
11-22-2005, 01:57 AM
I think the Chargers offense has the right kind of QB for their offense in Brees, so the most likely focus is to take him out early - Blitz a LB from each side every down in the first three series. that way if LT is coming good, we get there early, if not, we didn't commit on pass coverage and a LB can rotate to LT if he comes out in pass coverage. LaVar is starting to find his range and Washington's cranking back up again. Lemar Marshall is coming on at the right time.

When Brees goes in Harris' direction, all Harris has to do with this particular set of receivers, is give them cushion of 5 more yards than last week to keep them in front of him. At least Harris strong enough to bring them down. Just don't let them get behind him.

dukeuch
11-22-2005, 09:37 AM
I Agree..It will be ugly. Double Moss and there is nothing left.

But, what about CLinton Portis? Isn't he like the highest paid back in the league? So we have nothing if Moss does not come through?

smoak
11-22-2005, 09:49 AM
Honestly. I could see us getting killed if we have another negative turnover game like we've had all year.

Collins picked us a part and Brees is better IMO. Tomlinson is all world and we're banged up.

I'll be there and cheer just as hard, but losing the past two weeks in the fashion that we lost the games doesn't give me any hope for Sunday.

Skinz4lyfe
11-22-2005, 09:51 AM
IMO, the only way we'll win is in a shootout because they have an excellent offensive line. We won't be getting any pressure on Brees. We'll have some success containing LT (He can't be stopped unless your the Eagles). Sean Taylor and Lamar Marshall go a long way in containing Antonio Gates. So that means its up to our CBs on defense. Well, I don't have much faith in Harris at this point. Look for Brees to pick apart our struggling secondary (that's nothing new). Also, our WRs (yes you Taylor Jacobs) must step up. Moss can only do but so much but their secondary is atrocious! That's why I say we come out firing. If they're doubling Moss is it so hard to hit the RBs out of the back field? Run some seam routes (w/Cooley) to force the safety to make decision to cover Moss deep or the TE/HBack. I hope Betts is healthy because he could factor a role in receiving out of the backfield and giving Portis the rest that he needs to be effective in key situations. Don't expect Portis to run the ball too well against them because they're ranked #1 against the run.

However, in all honesty I don't know what to expect from this team anymore. We've had 2 games in which we should have won and the last game I just didn't see the same effort that I saw at the beginning of the year. They came out flat (after halftime) and its almost as if we expected to win. We need to fight like the season is on the line. I wanna see maximum effort and no stupid mistakes. Is that too much to ask for?

skinswin
11-22-2005, 11:24 AM
I Agree..It will be ugly. Double Moss and there is nothing left.


Sounds about right. That's the way it's been for about 3 weeks now.

skinswin
11-22-2005, 11:26 AM
I don't see how were going to stop LT. Without Griffin, I really don't think it's possible.

helimech24
11-22-2005, 11:52 AM
I think the first offensive series will tell everyone how the game is going to go. If the Skins don't come out with an attitude of a must win, they are going to get blown out. Gates will be out, but they still have LT, McKardell and the other receiver( Can't think of his name right now).

This is a must win for the Skins, if they can't get it done, kiss the season goodbye. We are going to need at least a 10-6 record to get a wild card spot.

akhhorus
11-22-2005, 12:07 PM
I don't see how were going to stop LT. Without Griffin, I really don't think it's possible.

We held Priest Holmes to 18 yards on 14 carries, and Griffin was injured in that game. Also, the Chiefs have a much better Oline than the Chargers. The Skins have trouble with the small speed RBs like Tatum Bell, LT is like Holmes. The Skins can shut him down if they tackle well.

helimech24
11-22-2005, 12:44 PM
It wasn't the defense that was the problem last week, it was the offense not doing anything to help the defense. Other than a couple of big plays, which we knew would happen, the Skins held tight. The o-line underachieved and the receivers couldn't get open when there wasn't any pressure on Brunell. I am tired of seeing Brunell pass so much, when the Skins best offensive weapon,portis, needs the ball in his hands more. If we really want to win this game, run the hell out of Portis to keep LT and Brees off the field.

golongdude
11-22-2005, 02:56 PM
Truthfully, it won't be a blowout. For whatever reason, they'll remember they are professionals and get themselves up for the game.

But I guarantee LT will bust two VERY big runs on this defense. And that will seal it.

RedskinRyan
11-22-2005, 03:26 PM
this is the biggest game of the season for us. we havent been .500 since the season started, and its another 2 game losing streak for us, which we broke with a win last time vs a much inferior 49ers team. santana moss will have a big day vs that secondary. cooley will have an average game stat wise, but come up with timely catches. i dont see portis having a big day on the ground. defensively, im worried about tomlinson. our linebackers and ST can handle gates. with their weak receiving core(springs will shutdown mccardell), we should keep alot of men in the box like philly did and i think we can shutdown LT.

HAWGZHEAD
11-22-2005, 04:50 PM
I am a lifelong diehard and I am ready to puke....the redskins once again are friken weak....we have no attitude, no fire, no crushing will to win, no physically dominating players 'cept ST or LA or MW, our DE's are old ladies, our db's get burned, our coach whines about the refs instead of holding the team accountable for non-winning play, we fumble constantly all the friken time and we can't hold onto a lead or comeback in the end except for luck in Dallas....

We watched as the Raiders owned Fed-Ex, treated our beloved Mike Sellars with taunting after a cheap shot and we did what???????nothing!!!! makes me sick!!!!!

we got nothing and I see us going down....unless Joe gets real mad (instead of aw shucks we played our guts out) and somehow the team re-invents itself as a true Gibbs team for the last 6 weeks of the season.

I watched a lot of NFL this weekend....we suck! We have do not have much talent and our coaches are deploying questionable game planning.So we're not going to make the playoffs?


Sorry BnG I liked your retort to this post in the other thread so much I had to sample it and am now changing my screen name to Pdiddyhwagz.

HAWGZHEAD
11-22-2005, 04:53 PM
what happened? just a second ago the post I quoted was in this thread. My computer is doing strange things.

skinsfan811
11-22-2005, 05:46 PM
I'll be honest...I expected us to lose this game BEFORE last week.The Chargers are one of the best teams in the NFL...and we are struggling with pass rush, blocking, and just overall consistency.I think it'll either be a close game decided late, or it'll be a blowout in their favor(I hate to say it though).

Although...I do think we have a shot at the playoffs, but only IF we play with more consistently.This game will control the rest of the season.

LATrueRedskin
11-22-2005, 05:52 PM
This game is the rest of the season. We cannot turn the ball over. Stay on the field and finish drives, keeping the high-powered San Diego offense off the field in the process. Do NOT shy away from the run when it's working.

redwolf1218
11-22-2005, 07:40 PM
i'm going on record as saying the Redskins will get blown out in this one, because last time i predicted a blow out was against the Giants and we lost 36 to zip, so maybe this reverse psychology will work. in fact, we are doomed and will lose every game from here on out, with Dallas and the Giants winning all of their remaining games. :rolleyes:

skinsfan811
11-22-2005, 07:42 PM
i'm going on record as saying the Redskins will get blown out in this one, because last time i predicted a blow out was against the Giants and we lost 36 to zip, so maybe this reverse psychology will work. in fact, we are doomed and will lose every game from here on out, with Dallas and the Giants winning all of their remaining games. :rolleyes:

Haha...I like your thought process:lol1: !!

redwolf1218
11-22-2005, 08:11 PM
Haha...I like your thought process:lol1: !!
from now on, i'm doing to do "the opposite". next time i meet a girl, i'm going to say "my name is George Castanza, i'm unemployed and i live with my parents."

so i will go on record as predicting we will not only lose but get blown out against the Chargers. the only thing more that i could do to help the Redskins would be to place a big bet against them, then we'd win for sure.

hogs86
11-22-2005, 08:51 PM
I think Gates is the key if we take away LT and we can.Gates will have a huge day.I really think he will play now after seeing his video.Link http://www.chargers.com/index_main.cfm
We will have to play this game like it is a playoff game.This will be the most important game of the season !!

skinsfan811
11-22-2005, 10:56 PM
I think Gates is the key if we take away LT and we can.Gates will have a huge day.I really think he will play now after seeing his video.Link http://www.chargers.com/index_main.cfm
We will have to play this game like it is a playoff game.This will be the most important game of the season !!

Yep...if we win this game, we have a great shot at running the table.

akhhorus
11-22-2005, 10:59 PM
I think Gates is the key if we take away LT and we can.Gates will have a huge day.I really think he will play now after seeing his video.Link http://www.chargers.com/index_main.cfm
We will have to play this game like it is a playoff game.This will be the most important game of the season !!

Actually, this game on sunday is a lot like the Chiefs game. Very good RB, very dangerous TE, effective QB, adequate wideouts. The major difference being that the Chiefs have a much better oline than the Chargers, and SD plays a different style of defense. The Skins did a good job frustrating Holmes on the runs(he did have the big screen pass) and limiting Tony Gonzalez. The Skins aren't overmatched here, are at home and if they win the turnover battle(which they are capable of doing), this is a very winnable game.

BurgundyNGold
11-22-2005, 11:14 PM
Actually, this game on sunday is a lot like the Chiefs game. Very good RB, very dangerous TE, effective QB, adequate wideouts. The major difference being that the Chiefs have a much better oline than the Chargers, and SD plays a different style of defense. The Skins did a good job frustrating Holmes on the runs(he did have the big screen pass) and limiting Tony Gonzalez. The Skins aren't overmatched here, are at home and if they win the turnover battle(which they are capable of doing), this is a very winnable game.
I absolutely agree with you. Really, every game this year -- including the Gints game where we just laid an egg -- has been winnable going in. Unfortunately, and we can all say it together by now: We can't continue to beat ourselves. Turnovers and penalties are killing our season.

redwolf1218
11-22-2005, 11:17 PM
Actually, this game on sunday is a lot like the Chiefs game. Very good RB, very dangerous TE, effective QB, adequate wideouts. The major difference being that the Chiefs have a much better oline than the Chargers, and SD plays a different style of defense. The Skins did a good job frustrating Holmes on the runs(he did have the big screen pass) and limiting Tony Gonzalez. The Skins aren't overmatched here, are at home and if they win the turnover battle(which they are capable of doing), this is a very winnable game.
you are right about how we totally blanked Gonzalez and Holmes (minus the one screen pass). that should take care of Gates and LT. Gates has not seen anyone like Taylor, but then again, no one has seen anything like Taylor in the NFL, ever, IMO. so that shuts out Gates. our d-line is built to stop the run, so that shuts out LT (minus maybe one big gain).

they have a huge noseguard and big defensive ends in their 3-4 defense. they have 4 linebackers to try to counter Portis and Cooley, but that should be a mismatch on our behalf.

Portis might have some success if we stick with the run, which we rarely do.

i'm banking on a big day from Portis and Cooley.

akhhorus
11-22-2005, 11:20 PM
I absolutely agree with you. Really, every game this year -- including the Gints game where we just laid an egg -- has been winnable going in. Unfortunately, and we can all say it together by now: We can't continue to beat ourselves. Turnovers and penalties are killing our season.

And its for that exact reason-that we've only killed ourselves this year with turnovers-that I can't get depressed about the season so far. This team can beat anybody in the NFL(save the Colts, Bengals and probably Steelers), but they have hurt themselves. This is a FAR cry from last year, when we just got beat in most games. You take away one turnover from the Skins in every game this year, and they're probably 8-2. We know they can play well. And we've seen them respond from bad losses with good performances, and I suspect we'll see one this week.

akhhorus
11-22-2005, 11:23 PM
you are right about how we totally blanked Gonzalez and Holmes (minus the one screen pass). that should take care of Gates and LT. Gates has not seen anyone like Taylor, but then again, no one has seen anything like Taylor in the NFL, ever, IMO. so that shuts out Gates. our d-line is built to stop the run, so that shuts out LT (minus maybe one big gain).

Gates will get his catches. But the Eagles had the right idea: flood against LT, let Gates have fun, but limit his damage after the catch and pinch on their slower wideouts.

they have a huge noseguard and big defensive ends in their 3-4 defense. they have 4 linebackers to try to counter Portis and Cooley, but that should be a mismatch on our behalf.

Donnie Edwards and Steve Foley are good LBs. Getting Cooley matched up on Merriman is key. Merriman has struggled badly in coverage and is effective only when he blitzes. What do you do against a small, fast 3-4 defense? You power run on them. Expect a lot of Portis and perhaps Nemo.

BurgundyNGold
11-22-2005, 11:23 PM
And its for that exact reason-that we've only killed ourselves this year with turnovers-that I can't get depressed about the season so far. This team can beat anybody in the NFL(save the Colts, Bengals and probably Steelers), but they have hurt themselves. This is a FAR cry from last year, when we just got beat in most games. You take away one turnover from the Skins in every game this year, and they're probably 8-2. We know they can play well. And we've seen them respond from bad losses with good performances, and I suspect we'll see one this week.
I tentatively agree. If we were 4, 5 or even 6 games into the season, I could wholeheartedly agree with you. At that point, you can chalk it up to bad luck or a lousy run. But we're 10 games in and we keep beating ourselves week in and week out. While I hope that we can get it fixed, a trend that goes 10 data points is likely to go 16.

akhhorus
11-22-2005, 11:37 PM
I tentatively agree. If we were 4, 5 or even 6 games into the season, I could wholeheartedly agree with you. At that point, you can chalk it up to bad luck or a lousy run. But we're 10 games in and we keep beating ourselves week in and week out. While I hope that we can get it fixed, a trend that goes 10 data points is likely to go 16.

But the trend is really 5 out of 10, not 10. In the 5 wins, the Skins have won the turnover battle, in the 5 losses, they haven't. So the trend is dependant on the current data, which we don't have. That is frustrating thing about this team.

BurgundyNGold
11-22-2005, 11:38 PM
But the trend is really 5 out of 10, not 10. In the 5 wins, the Skins have won the turnover battle, in the 5 losses, they haven't. So the trend is dependant on the current data, which we don't have. That is frustrating thing about this team.
OK, Annie. :D I'm along for the ride.

skins74
11-22-2005, 11:44 PM
We need C.Griffin without him we have no pass rush. Brees will nickle and dime us to death if we can't get an imediate pass rush on him. Other teams have proven that it doesn't matter that we hold them to 2.5 yards a carry they can still pass at will. I want to see Lavar at DE rushing the passer on 3rd and long situations.

redwolf1218
11-22-2005, 11:47 PM
Gates will get his catches. But the Eagles had the right idea: flood against LT, let Gates have fun, but limit his damage after the catch and pinch on their slower wideouts.



Donnie Edwards and Steve Foley are good LBs. Getting Cooley matched up on Merriman is key. Merriman has struggled badly in coverage and is effective only when he blitzes. What do you do against a small, fast 3-4 defense? You power run on them. Expect a lot of Portis and perhaps Nemo.
but they are not small in the interior of the line.

a 3-4 is almost always a lie, it just means one of the linebackers is lined up on the end, but their 3 interior linemen are huge.

oldskinfan
11-23-2005, 01:56 AM
For the life of me, I can't remember the last time I saw a good PA pass from the skins...it's either run CP, or shotgun to pass...or maybe every time they try it, Royals or someone wiffs and Brunell ends up on his *ss or fumbling. Play action worked all the time under coach Joe version 1.0.

Well, play action is going to hurt us this week, as much as it pains me to say. We are going to sell out to stop LT and will for 3 quarters, but chargers will get two TD's off play-action, then grind it out in the 4th quarter.

20-13 'bolts....close...but not really. San Diego and the Skins are heading in opposite directions right now.

I hope I eat my words come Sunday night. Maybe Joe will run CP 30 times, get a late PA touchdown to Cooley and the score will be reverse...hey I can dream, can't I.

RaiderSithLord
11-23-2005, 02:03 AM
BEat Sandy Eggo!!!

I am a Redskin fan this week as well as a Raider fan.

LaDanian Tomlinson is a handful. Because of his play earlier this year I had to wear a Dolt sig for a week on rf.net, becuase I lost a bet.

I don't care how you do it, just beat the Dolts!!!!

burgold
11-23-2005, 12:09 PM
Skins are in a free fall - they don't seem to be the same team that began this season. There aren't only the glaring holes and weaknesses on both sides of the line, but... where is the fire, intensity, and playing with a sense of desperation??
San Diego is right behind Indy in points scored. They simply have too many weapons and are too efficient on offense for our defense to match up well with.
We need to run CP and keep their offense off the field, have zero t.o., and catch a break here and there... what's the chance of that happening??

Hopefully we can keep the score within 2 TDs...

Skinsfan1311
11-23-2005, 12:13 PM
....another nail-biter.....and another "W".....

bwparker
11-23-2005, 12:21 PM
How bout you just come over to my house and poop in my corn flakes lol.
This is just funny.

dukeuch
11-23-2005, 12:44 PM
you are right about how we totally blanked Gonzalez and Holmes (minus the one screen pass). that should take care of Gates and LT. Gates has not seen anyone like Taylor, but then again, no one has seen anything like Taylor in the NFL, ever, IMO. so that shuts out Gates. our d-line is built to stop the run, so that shuts out LT (minus maybe one big gain).

they have a huge noseguard and big defensive ends in their 3-4 defense. they have 4 linebackers to try to counter Portis and Cooley, but that should be a mismatch on our behalf.

Portis might have some success if we stick with the run, which we rarely do.

i'm banking on a big day from Portis and Cooley.

I sincerely doubt Taylor is going to blank out Gates. I say Gates gets at least 80 yard receiving and one TD, unless LT runs so wild they don't bother throwing..

Dexter72
11-23-2005, 02:53 PM
but they are not small in the interior of the line.

a 3-4 is almost always a lie, it just means one of the linebackers is lined up on the end, but their 3 interior linemen are huge.

Their 3 are huge. Jamal Williams, weighs about 350, Igor Olshansky(?) who I believe holds the combine record for number of reps with 225 lbs -- I believe it was around 40 reps, and Luis Castillo -- the rookie DT who got caught with roids before the draft -- He really shouldn't be allowed to play, but thats another thread. The other thing that scares me is that Williams and Merriman are both originally from DC -- We always seem to get KILLED by local guys when they come home and play in DC...Jerry Porter, Derrick Burgess, Charlie Garner, Chris Warren, etc. I never remember seeing the reverse effect, though, where our guys go and shred their hometown team.

Anyhow, those 3 will make life difficult for Portis, but they don't offer much of a speed rush...so hopefully Brunell can get it going.

HAWGZHEAD
11-23-2005, 02:57 PM
BEat Sandy Eggo!!!

LOL, I haven't heard that one before.

Skins.Fan
11-23-2005, 03:49 PM
Tell me about it. I am sooooooo spent after Redskin games that we lose that I just can't being myself to post usually until the next day. I'm on such an even keel from January to August. Being a true fan really sucks because it totally affects your life week in and week out.

I'm spent too. I always leave my jersey wherever I threw it until I'm over the game. I haven't moved it since Alstott's horseshoe conversion.

That said, that is what makes being a true fan great. As bad as the losses are, the wins are just as good. How many people have something that can make them that happy? In a season of thanksgiving, any and all people whose life is so good that a lost game is all they have to get them down are the ones with the most to be thankful for.

Hail to the Redskins, thick or thin, win or lose.

VTBob
11-23-2005, 04:15 PM
I think we need to get our act together, we've lost two games in a row we should've had in the W column...this game is going to be a big one.

ThreeSportStar80
11-23-2005, 04:50 PM
I see the Chargers winning on the final drive of the game to make the entire Fed Ex field cry.

Meatsnack
11-23-2005, 05:24 PM
We will win because:

Clinton Portis will not commit turnovers two games in a row.

Brunell will protect the football.

Taylor Jacobs can beat their corners to take pressure off Santana.

Gibbs will not forget to run the football in the second half.

Williams will leave LaVar in on third down to rush the darned passer. LaVar will hit Brees so hard his mole reappears.

The Clemons brothers will see more PT.

A dinged Gates isn't the same a a healthy Gates, especially after a ST shot to the bean.

I can't take another week of crappy play and throwing away wins. :P

redskn65
11-23-2005, 05:30 PM
As much as I would love to see us win this game I can`t say I`m overly optimistic that we will. This thing with turnovers every game has not stopped and I don`t see it all of a sudden happening on this Sunday. I will say this if Jansen and Samuals don`t have a better game this week than last Brunell will lose more than his ear protector after Merriman comes around the corner and we will have to finish this season with Ramsey. Also with this set of receivers we have now ( Santana not included ) I have no confidence we will be able to pass the ball with any success which means they will stick 8 in the box making a long day for Portis. I hope I`m wrong but this is not the team I would want to play against in a must win situation.

redwolf1218
11-23-2005, 08:14 PM
one of the reasons Taylor was drafted was to take on the tightends in the NFC East. i think he can handle Gates. what i dont want to see is Gates down the field with a linebacker on him.

skinswin
11-24-2005, 11:51 AM
I have to agree that I think we'll be virtually eliminated this Sunday. Every time Brunell gets hit, I'm afraid of him fumbling and alot of the time, that's exactly what he does.

We don't win the turnover battle so how can anyone expect this team to win?

Defensively, (for the most part) were not a play making defense. It seems that teams have figured out how to put the clamps on the Brunell/Moss connection and Cooley isn't enough.

And Taylor Jacbos needs to be chased out of DC with Torches ablazing!!!:devil2:

Biggie
11-24-2005, 11:55 AM
There is one thing going for us this week: San Diego's secondary sucks.

gibbsisgod
11-24-2005, 01:19 PM
Since we need a win real bad, our emotions will run high and we will see the light, but the door will be closed on us just like the playoffs.

chargers 21
redskins 10

Blind-sided
11-24-2005, 01:50 PM
Washington needs to stick with the running game even in the second half. The D will have to get to Brees or he will take us apart. L.T. will probally have a ok day but taken his run game out is not enough. The D will have to shut down his rec. as well. He can kill ya on screens. Anybody remeber what Preist H. did to us on that one play in kc. L.T. will do the same unless this unit tackles better up front. I'd say Washington slips by chargers.

21-16

bgforever
11-24-2005, 02:51 PM
Washington needs to stick with the running game even in the second half. The D will have to get to Brees or he will take us apart. L.T. will probally have a ok day but taken his run game out is not enough. The D will have to shut down his rec. as well. He can kill ya on screens. Anybody remeber what Preist H. did to us on that one play in kc. L.T. will do the same unless this unit tackles better up front. I'd say Washington slips by chargers.

21-16

I cannot predict this score because the team's made a jcks of my predictions, leaving me to be nothing more than a mouthy fan, that helps their bottom line.

skinsfan811
11-24-2005, 04:13 PM
I cannot predict this score because the team's made a jcks of my predictions, leaving me to be nothing more than a mouthy fan, that helps their bottom line.

Haha...I think the team has made alot of our predictions look horrible lately.

Dept_of_Defense
11-24-2005, 08:07 PM
Don't turn the ball over, minimize penalties, and take out the "big play" and we win. If we don't do this, it's going to be another long day......I'm still nauseous over the Raiders game last week. I hope we can make up for that this Sunday.
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GolfFreak
11-24-2005, 10:18 PM
There is one thing going for us this week: San Diego's secondary sucks.

I think that's going to be a big factor in this game. But I think back to the Giants game when they were ranked near the bottom in pass defense and we layed an egg. I hope Sunday is different since we are at home. But I still think time of possession is the key to this game.

redwolf1218
11-24-2005, 10:30 PM
There is one thing going for us this week: San Diego's secondary sucks.
that's a wash...our receiving group is aweful. all we gotta do is quit turning the ball over and please dont abandon the run.

BIGSEF3
11-25-2005, 11:11 AM
Prisco actually thinks we win this one....

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9059503

Normally, that would give me a glimmer of hope. I mean, Prisco usually looks for any excuse to beat the skins down, so if HE thinks they can win, that must be a good sign. However, he's 0-2 in picking winners so far this week.

redskin_rich
11-25-2005, 11:57 PM
This game is winnable as long as we don't beat ourselves. We can't lose the turnover battle and we need to play hard for 4 quarters. The coaches need to call this game and have prepared like it is a playoff. That is where we're at now, every game is crucial.

bgforever
11-26-2005, 12:13 AM
Prisco actually thinks we win this one....

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9059503

Normally, that would give me a glimmer of hope. I mean, Prisco usually looks for any excuse to beat the skins down, so if HE thinks they can win, that must be a good sign. However, he's 0-2 in picking winners so far this week.

That last line is due to two things.
He doesn't give consideration to depth. Depth is how those two teams won.
Dallass' WR corp wasn't able to surprise, with Glenn coming out of nowhere. Glenn actually let a catchable ball sail by, instead of getting a chance to prove his manhood, like L. Coles did against Ray Lewis. Lewis looked good on the highlight, but Coles got back up and still made plays. When they needed a 3rd WR, Dallas kept going to the TE, so when they went to well again, it was denied and that is because their third option, after Johnson and Glenn is very predictable, instead of a 3rd wideout.

Denver also has a better stable of RB's with greater proven ability and when Ron Dayne burst through, it could have just as well been Anderson, since the DEPTH at the position proved to be the decisive point against the Cowboys defense.

The Atlanta game was the same, the rushing of Dunn and Vick, with Vick showing more patience and having better throws to WR's and Crumpler, made it easier for Atlanta to use depth at their defensive positions, since Harrington posed NO threat and the offense of the Falcons was dictating the game.

split3clemente
11-26-2005, 12:31 AM
have to get real lucky to win....do or die time for da skinnies

BIGSEF3
11-26-2005, 12:45 AM
have to get real lucky to win....do or die time for da skinnies

Its definately do-or-die. The cowboys have already lost. The giants WILL lose to the seahawks. Philly---who cares what Philly does at this point. If the redskins win, not only will it be a win, but it will be a HUGE morale boost to this team. They will be ONE game behind New York and Dallas and very much alive, not only to win a wildcard, but also to win the division. Dallas has an impossible schedule coming up and The Skins schedule is slightly easier than the Giants. A win sunday, solid play the rest of the year, and wins against both teams in the final 3 weeks and we win the division.

This game sunday is not just a game. This game, more than any other, IS OUR SEASON. This game will be won or lost by the 12th man. All faithful skins fans, please, do your part sunday. Give the chargers hell, and cheer your lungs out for our team no matter what! YOU can make a difference. HR!

redwolf1218
11-26-2005, 10:26 AM
they are going to make a big deal out of Marty getting to play the Redskins again after Snyder canned him, similar to what was going on against Norv Turner. hopefully we can overcome that extra motivation this time.

helimech24
11-26-2005, 01:19 PM
I think this game will come down to time of possession for either team in the fourth quarter. If the skins can stop all of the three and outs they do in the 2nd half of the game, they have a good chance of winning. I might actually break my tv if I see Portis get 10 or less carries in the second half again. He is our strongest player on offense.

ChiefPowhatan17
11-27-2005, 10:28 AM
This is one of the best teams we play this year. If we win than we can compete with anyone. But, I think we will win our divisional games, but this one is gonna be hard. Go SKins.

vabeach_skinsfan
11-27-2005, 10:59 AM
we play good against good teams, realy bad against bad teams. If we can eliminate turnovers, then we probaly have a descent shot at winning the game.

GWBlitzST
11-27-2005, 11:02 AM
This is one of the best teams we play this year. If we win than we can compete with anyone. But, I think we will win our divisional games, but this one is gonna be hard. Go SKins.
Haven't we said this every week? It is very clear to me that we can compete with everyone, it's just a matter of how close Gibbs wants to make the game. Maybe today we score 14 in the first half--and 14 more in the second half! That would be crazy, especially if we took a chance and ran the ball more than 5 times in the second half. This is the game that Gibbs proves whether or not he can manage a meaningful game in the NFL. He really needs to step up as a coach. Hail skins.