ESPN the Mag article about Moss

[GolfFreak]

Anyone else get the Mag? It has a good article about Moss. I'll have to summarize ....

- he goes to a masseur 5 days per week to get his legs worked, thinks this helps him with his speed and avoiding injuries.

- Patten gave Gibbs the idea for the "poker" play that he used in New England (basically you either run the post or curl in ... po-cur). Apparently they use it all the time.

- Moss was actually the decoy in the play that scored 2nd TD in the Dallass game, but he was so open that he got the ball. The play is suppose to go to Cooley. Moss says that when they run it at practice he's always open and wanted the ball if he got open in the game.

- Compares the Brunell-Moss connection with the likes of Bulger-Holt and Manning-Harrison.

- Article closes with David Patten telling Moss to save his ticket to Hawaii.

I'm sure I forgot some stuff, but those are the highlights.

[hail2skins]

yeah, I believe that article is in the "In" section of ESPN. thanks for the info.

[BIGSEF3]

Anyone else get the Mag? It has a good article about Moss. I'll have to summarize ....

- he goes to a masseur 5 days per week to get his legs worked, thinks this helps him with his speed and avoiding injuries.

- Patten gave Gibbs the idea for the "poker" play that he used in New England (basically you either run the post or curl in ... po-cur). Apparently they use it all the time.

- Moss was actually the decoy in the play that scored 2nd TD in the Dallass game, but he was so open that he got the ball. The play is suppose to go to Cooley. Moss says that when they run it at practice he's always open and wanted the ball if he got open in the game.

- Compares the Brunell-Moss connection with the likes of Bulger-Holt and Manning-Harrison.

- Article closes with David Patten telling Moss to save his ticket to Hawaii.

I'm sure I forgot some stuff, but those are the highlights.

Thanks for the post. I am sad we don't have a good WR to compliment moss this year. He would have broken rice's record. If we get a solid #2 next year, the possibilities are endless...

[Meatsnack]

Thanks for the post. I am sad we don't have a good WR to compliment moss this year. He would have broken rice's record. If we get a solid #2 next year, the possibilities are endless...

Yeah, does anyone else think that T.J. Houseranchsalad would look really good in B&G right now? I know he re-signed with Cinci for more than we could pay, but a player of that ilk would be paying huge dividends right now.

As much as I liked the Patten acquisition, and think it may pan out eventually, he is a question mark right now that I don't think we can afford to leave in place going into next year.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i actually read that article on my cell phone a few days ago....shouldn't it be free?

congrats to santana on reaching the 1,000 yard mark....:beer:

[CowboyKilla]

The article would be so much cooler if we were winning.
But I'm glad he got his props.

[skinsfan811]

I'm glad Santana's being realized as the PB calibur player that he is.He really brings alot to this team...and I for one, as a fan, truely appreciate his presence.Thanks Jets:jetsuk: !!!

[helimech24]

Moss is the best thing to happen to B&G last offseason. What trade that paid off. I cannot believe that Chad-my-broken-everything couldn't get on track with him. Here is a clue: Moss go long, and I will throw it as far as possible, lol. Worked against the Cowgirls.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

Thanks for the post. I am sad we don't have a good WR to compliment moss this year. He would have broken rice's record. If we get a solid #2 next year, the possibilities are endless...

Isn't Reggie Wayne a FA next year? That would be a serious tandem.

[helimech24]

Isn't Reggie Wayne a FA next year? That would be a serious tandem.

Reggie Wayne, Antwaan Randel El, David Givens, and Ashley Lelie are all FAs next year

[BurgundyNGold]

Reggie Wayne, Antwaan Randel El, David Givens, and Ashley Lelie are all FAs next year
After Wayne, I doubt that any of the rest can complement Moss or would be worth getting. Maybe Lelie, but hs drops too may balls.

[helimech24]

After Wayne, I doubt that any of the rest can complement Moss or would be worth getting. Maybe Lelie, but hs drops too may balls.

I think Givens would be good for us. Isn't he a big over the middle WR?

[BurgundyNGold]

I think Givens would be good for us. Isn't he a big over the middle WR?
Better than Patten, yes, but I don't think he is good enogh to be a #2 either, which is what we need right now. We need a solid, legitimate #2, not a guy who might turn out to be one.

[VTBob]

I like Randal-El, but I dunno if he'd fit here - but I do like his play a lot

[helimech24]

Better than Patten, yes, but I don't think he is good enogh to be a #2 either, which is what we need right now. We need a solid, legitimate #2, not a guy who might turn out to be one.

Other than Reggie Wayne, do we have any other choices? I think if we can't get Wayne (because eveyone else will be going after him), Givens would be a descent 2nd choice. Better than Ashley Lelie.

[Dept_of_Defense]

We have to go after Reggie Wayne.
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[helimech24]

We have to go after Reggie Wayne.

The question is how much is he worth? If he leaves Indy, he will want #1 money. I don't know whether or not he is worth that kind of money, like the Harrison, Mason, or Moss. It is definitly something to think about.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I think it would be worth it to have 2 receivers of the caliber of Moss and Wayne on the field together. It would cause nightmares to cover them both like his situation in Indy now. I believe we could become an offensive powerhouse adding a guy like that. It would also take more pressure off the running game. Of course all this would have to be complimented by improving play of the O-line and TE's as well.

[Dept_of_Defense]

I think it would be worth it to have 2 receivers of the caliber of Moss and Wayne on the field together. It would cause nightmares to cover them both like his situation in Indy now. I believe we could become an offensive powerhouse adding a guy like that. It would also take more pressure off the running game. Of course all this would have to be complimented by improving play of the O-line and TE's as well.
Exactly. I think if we acquire Wayne and pursue a quality TE in FA or the draft, with our O-Line intact for another year, we could be a serious threat on offense. The thing is though, we need to add depth everywhere so that we can still compete when there are injuries.
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[Biggie]

I think we should get Santana's brother. Not the tallest tandem in the NFL, but definately fastest.

Heck, you never know. Taylor might turn out alright, considering he caught four balls last week.

[skinsfan811]

The question is how much is he worth? If he leaves Indy, he will want #1 money. I don't know whether or not he is worth that kind of money, like the Harrison, Mason, or Moss. It is definitly something to think about.


We would need to make a good bit of cuts if we want to sign any other FA's besides him then.

But, if he plays as well as in Indy...Reggie Wayne, Come on down!!!!!You're the next contestant on "Which FA wideouts can play with the Redskins"...let's see if he follows the performance of Santana Moss, or if he goes down the tube like David Patten:lol1:.

[redwolf1218]

Reggie Wayne is good, but he's only 6'-0" tall and not particulary fast. He's probably been made to look great partly by having one the best QB's in NFL history throwing the ball to him. Getting him might be similar to the mistake of taking Patten, who was probably also made to look better by playing for Brady and the Patriots.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Reggie Wayne is good, but he's only 6'-0" tall and not particulary fast. He's probably been made to look great partly by having one the best QB's in NFL history throwing the ball to him. Getting him might be similar to the mistake of taking Patten, who was probably also made to look better by playing for Brady and the Patriots.
That's true.....When does Chad Johnson's contract expire again?
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[HAWGZHEAD]

That's true.....When does Chad Johnson's contract expire again?LOL, I don't know I think Chad may be a Cinncy lifer.

[helimech24]

That's true.....When does Chad Johnson's contract expire again?

If I remember right, it is in 2010. I don't think we can wait that long.

Do we have anyone worth trading away for a WR. I know everyone will say Ramsey, but does anyone think there is a team willing to take him for a #2 WR?

[redwolf1218]

If I remember right, it is in 2010. I don't think we can wait that long.

Do we have anyone worth trading away for a WR. I know everyone will say Ramsey, but does anyone think there is a team willing to take him for a #2 WR?
Taylor Jacobs might be better than we realize. everyone seems to say so when asked. what if he was playing for the Colts? at 6'-.04", 205, 4.39 speed, he is slightly bigger, slightly taller and quite a bit faster than Wayne (6'-0", 196, 4.47).

[SpicyMcHaggis]

If I remember right, it is in 2010. I don't think we can wait that long.

Do we have anyone worth trading away for a WR. I know everyone will say Ramsey, but does anyone think there is a team willing to take him for a #2 WR?

Extremely doubtful...especially since drafting or signing FA wide receivers is so hard..ask Mooch over in Detroit for example...they pretty much cost him his job...maybe our best bet for finding a new #2 wr reciever is our 2nd round draft pick..they seem to work out well with that particular position...Boldin, Johnson...

[HAWGZHEAD]

Taylor Jacobs might be better than we realize. everyone seems to say so when asked. what if he was playing for the Colts? at 6'-.04", 205, 4.39 speed, he is slightly bigger, slightly taller and quite a bit faster than Wayne (6'-0", 196, 4.47).I think Jacobs is a couple years short of skill than Wayne. I haven't seen enough of Jacobs to put him above Wayne in any category besides physical attributes.

[redwolf1218]

I think Jacobs is a couple years short of skill than Wayne. I haven't seen enough of Jacobs to put him above Wayne in any category besides physical attributes.
i agree, but what if he was starting and playing for one the best QB's in NFL history, on an undefeated team?

[helimech24]

Extremely doubtful...especially since drafting or signing FA wide receivers is so hard..ask Mooch over in Detroit for example...they pretty much cost him his job...maybe our best bet for finding a new #2 wr reciever is our 2nd round draft pick..they seem to work out well with that particular position...Boldin, Johnson...

We could try and get one of those guys, lol. I here they are looking for a QB. Just as long as it isn't Mike Williams or Charles Rogers. Williams can't catch, and Rogers is hurt every year.

[redwolf1218]

i'm just saying Wayne in Indy, with Manning, might be like Patten, in NE, with Brady. Jacobs has not had those circumstances or opportunities.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Taylor Jacobs might be better than we realize. everyone seems to say so when asked. what if he was playing for the Colts? at 6'-.04", 205, 4.39 speed, he is slightly bigger, slightly taller and quite a bit faster than Wayne (6'-0", 196, 4.47).

Jacobs:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/395990

Wayne:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235256

I know that Wayne plays in a much better system..but Jacobs really hasn't proved anything on the field yet..it would be a HUGE mistake to rely on him to be anything more than a #3 or #4 receiver right now...he and Patten should be our 3 and 4, with Thrash as 5..we are really missing a good #2 receiver right now...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

We could try and get one of those guys, lol. I here they are looking for a QB. Just as long as it isn't Mike Williams or Charles Rogers. Williams can't catch, and Rogers is hurt every year.

If Matt Millen gives us Roy Williams for Ramsey the city of Detroit will go on a head hunt...

[Dept_of_Defense]

Do we have anyone worth trading away for a WR. I know everyone will say Ramsey, but does anyone think there is a team willing to take him for a #2 WR?
Ha.....how funny would that be if we traded Ramsey to the Jets for.......yup you guessed it.....Coles!
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[redwolf1218]

If Matt Millen gives us Roy Williams for Ramsey the city of Detroit will go on a head hunt...
they might give up something for Ramsey though, because the situation up there with Joey Harrington is getting ugly, and Jeff Garcia is 35 years old.

[HAWGZHEAD]

i'm just saying Wayne in Indy, with Manning, might be like Patten, in NE, with Brady. Jacobs has not had those circumstances or opportunities.Yeah I see what you are saying. I would just cross my fingers and hope Wayne would do more than Patten which I believe he can. He doesn't look like a product of the system to me but thats JMO, I never really payed attention to Patten much when he was in NE.

[HAWGZHEAD]

If Matt Millen gives us Roy Williams for Ramsey the city of Detroit will go on a head hunt...We could possibly get Rogers, but like helimech says he is prone to the injury.

[Dept_of_Defense]

We could possibly get Rogers, but like helimech says he is prone to the injury.
Isn't he the one that just got suspended 4 games for violating the substance abuse policy (2nd offense)? If he is, I'll pass...
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[helimech24]

If Matt Millen gives us Roy Williams for Ramsey the city of Detroit will go on a head hunt...

I think they are already going after his head after firing Mooch

[redwolf1218]

Yeah I see what you are saying. I would just cross my fingers and hope Wayne would do more than Patten which I believe he can. He doesn't look like a product of the system to me but thats JMO, I never really payed attention to Patten much when he was in NE.
i get your point too, i'd rather have Wayne over Patten. i never had any confidence in the Patten deal. I just havent given up on Jacobs yet. he's got what, 7 catches the last 2 games? not bad considering. he had our longest pass play of the year last year in limited playing time, i think it was a 47 yarder against the Vikings, if memory serves me correctly. if he was in Indy with Manning, who knows what he'd do.

[HAWGZHEAD]

I never understood why Jacobs hasn't played more anyway with all the talk he draws from the staff and team.

[bgforever]

If Matt Millen gives us Roy Williams for Ramsey the city of Detroit will go on a head hunt...


One of them IS coming to DC, print this and save it in the summer of 2006

[bgforever]

I never understood why Jacobs hasn't played more anyway with all the talk he draws from the staff and team.


Odd as it may seem it could be related to strengthing and conditioning, not just overall, but in other areas, nagging small injuries, that recognized by trainers to be too tricky to play with, needing more time. I think this guy busted his tail to be on top and acquired some sports injuries in getting ready. He certainly looked like a much younger Patten last Sunday.

If its any consolation to those who sulked longer over the loss to SD, simply watch how they roll right into the top of the best 3 in the playoffs in the AFC, justifying the TYPE of team we put up against them. We did a good job overall and just had a couple of game turning leaks. We gave them fits and they knew it!

Another 3 is Seattle, Dallass, Chicago's D. As the weeks went by it was clear some of struggles wasn't all us. We are much better than we'd ever know!

[Dept_of_Defense]

I never understood why Jacobs hasn't played more anyway with all the talk he draws from the staff and team.
I never understood that either. The coaches were always praising how hard he worked, but we never got to see him out there. I really think that he's had some bad luck with injuries though. I read an interview with Carlos Rogers when he was @ Auburn and they asked him who was the toughest receiver that he'd ever had to cover. He said Taylor Jacobs when he played for Florida.
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[redwolf1218]

I never understood that either. The coaches were always praising how hard he worked, but we never got to see him out there. I really think that he's had some bad luck with injuries though. I read an interview with Carlos Rogers when he was @ Auburn and they asked him who was the toughest receiver that he'd ever had to cover. He said Taylor Jacobs when he played for Florida.
lots of people have said stuff like that, i thinkg Champ Bailey said he was the hardest to cover. and then Patten questioned why he was not starting, which is kind of ironic now.

[Dept_of_Defense]

lots of people have said stuff like that, i thinkg Champ Bailey said he was the hardest to cover. and then Patten questioned why he was not starting, which is kind of ironic now.
Yeah I know, I honestly don't see any greatness from him and he hasn't been wide open or anything..what is it that makes TJ so hard to cover?
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